Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[Drawesome]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.
 
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I'll share the site since so much people is asking, but I guess this is usual:
https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/ with a referal who leads you to the domain you'll be logged

In FAQ you find it clearly: https://elroyalecasinobonuses.com/faq/

Do I have to submit any documents when depositing money?
There are no documents needed for making a deposit at El Royale Casino. However, in some rare cases, we might ask you to provide a Credit Card Validation form to ensure the safety of your transactions.

How do I request a payout?
After you have submitted all the necessary documents for proving your identity, you will be able to request a payout in the Cashier section of your account. If you are using your mobile device, you need to go to “Menu,” and then to the section “Payout”.

El Royale is operated by Wonder Play Company N.V. having its office in Willemstad, Curacao. Company Registration number 162233.

When a user makes an aggregate lifetime total of deposits exceeding USD 2000 or requests a withdrawal of any amount at El Royale, they are obliged to undergo a full KYC procedure, wherein the user shall submit some basic details about themselves and then upload the files listed below:

A copy of Government Issued Photo ID (in some cases front and back depending on the doc)
A selfie of themselves holding the ID doc
A bank statement/Utility Bill

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

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[Wexnident]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

Care to share the casino? Usually, KYC requirements are indicated on their ToS, not on their registration page. It usually scares away users after all and isn't really that advertising-friendly if they added it there.

Registering from a banned country is allowed, and usually passes through for the first few days but once they check the accounts, they still usually get banned. They also need to cross-check for VPN usage as well. It's why you see so many people complaining about getting banned after a few days of playing. Plus, if they let you play on your own and then suddenly ban you, it's free money for them.

[Sandra_hakeem]

There's what you fail to understand.... They've got T/C's and that should be Thier modus operandi..yeahh? Anything outside that isn't accountable to them... There's no casino that'll hide Thier KYC preference and remind of it when you wanna withdraw... They won't just bother you or make it compulsory at the start,...but ofcourse that gives everyone the privilege to think of boycotting their rules, that's also exactly where the problem comes...

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[suzanne5223]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

You seem to have read alot of advice and suggestions posted by experienced gamblers on this forum based on how you check if the casino will require KYC before allowing their user to make a withdrawal because some newbies to members easily fall for this type of casino.
The second red flag is the casino allowing people from the geographical location where their service is banned to register an account which they will later lock the account after the user deposit which shows the casino to be looking for every means to embezzle funds from their users.

[Nwada001]

They typically do share their KYC information with you, but you just can't see it. That's because you don't give them your time to read through TOS. When you want to create an account with any casino or other online platform, before you click on proceed or register, there is always a box in which they ask you to agree with their terms and conditions, or they will say, "Clicking means you have agreed with their terms and conditions." Have you ever tried reading through those terms and conditions before proceeding with the registration?
 
Since you don't have the time to look out for the KYC, do they also have the need to ask for KYC from you? Until you have made a successful deposit and won a few games, that's when they will be like, "Hey, that's reminding me." You have not passed the KYC, so why are you here?
 
Unless the casino is not genuine, if not, if they will ask for KYC, they will make it known to their customers, and if they will not ask for it, they will also let you know. You just have to look well and be patient with reading in order to discover what would have been shown to you in times of trouble.

[Rating Place]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

You seem to have read alot of advice and suggestions posted by experienced gamblers on this forum based on how you check if the casino will require KYC before allowing their user to make a withdrawal because some newbies to members easily fall for this type of casino.
The second red flag is the casino allowing people from the geographical location where their service is banned to register an account which they will later lock the account after the user deposit which shows the casino to be looking for every means to embezzle funds from their users.

I agree to what you say. To add, all casinos have the same rule that they can ask for KYC. It's in all of their ToS. The difference is that some casinos don't ask for KYC. Here are KYC rankings. 1 equals that they will rarely ask for KYC upon a payout request.  5 equals mandatory. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0

[Mate2237]

That where I don't like, if they are not asking for KYC at the point of registration then they should not ask again in the withdrawal time. Because asking at the registration time is much more better than the withdrawal because at the registration time everything is very simple the customer only provide the basic documents and start using the account but when they ask it in the withdrawal time, I don't probably they don't want you to withdraw your personal money, the documents they will ask will be more and if any of the documents is not clear or missing they ban your account but this can not happened in the registration time.

They never stop the depositing process because they want money. And one thing they don't know that when the withdrawal is good then the casino will move well.

[lionheart78]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.

This might be trapped by shady casinos. As far as I know reputable casinos prevent people from registering the moment they detected the IP of the person belonging to that banned region.  they can even give you a message that the page of the casino won't load because your region is restricted.

We should always read the TOS regarding deposits and withdrawals.  I believe the rules will be clearly stated on that page unless the casino is shady that it deliberately don't list the rulings of KY upon withdrawal on their TOS.

[X-ray]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

It's obviously red flag from the casino. They are willing to grab people's money and probably will never allow you to withdraw even though you have  already completed the requirements like verifying their identity. Shady casino as always.
Even allowing people to deposit from the banned country is more than a red flag but that casino is obviously scam casino.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this

May u share the name of casino? I will be very helpful for the gamblers to mark it as scam casino or put it onto their ignore list.

[logfiles]

I noticed so many online casinos do this kind of thing so that when you make a deposit, they expect you to lose the money but should you win, they will create another barrier when you try to get that money out.

So either they will say your KYC verification was unsuccessful and therefore account blocked, and you give up, or you will be forced to use the money to gamble again while you wait, and you lose it all eventually.
I am one person who prefers a casino rather asks me for KYC verification before I make my first deposit so that I know what kind of service I am dealing with.

[paxmao]

For me this is clearly a bad practice, not very different from stealing money. Look, if the money is good it is good and if it is not you just cannot take. So, the site should check first because there is obviously an incentive to put problems to the withdrawal and basically keep the users money that eventually will be declared as non-recoverable. This is quite close to fraud.

[bayu7adi]

Sometimes, systems like these are outlined in the Terms of Service when you sign up. For those who are reluctant to read the TOS, it can be quite cumbersome to enjoy the freedom of avoiding KYC while gaming.

One thing I do when testing a new platform is to make a small deposit and then test a withdrawal with that balance. I do this not only on gambling platforms but also on exchange platforms. The information typically provided is the withdrawal limit that can be carried out without completing KYC, usually set at a certain amount in dollars. From there, I begin to observe the transaction withdrawal speed.

At the very least, some of the steps I take during this testing process can help me make a well-informed decision about whether to use the platform or not.

[Yogee]

[....]I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I was gonna say that a lot of crypto casinos do not have an upfront KYC but this part just made me think that platform is a mess. Their system isn't set up to check information quickly. How did you put the banned country by the way? I was assuming it's still on the list of options or did you just typed it manually?

[bittraffic]

Its not a violation to thr rules in the forum if you share the link. Just let the people know which one are you talking about winc eyou already send out the warning.

Not allowing users to withdraw unless KYC is submitted had been going on since. But allowing the banned countries is very sketchy to begin with.

[michellee]

That is why, before you register, you must read the ToS at each casino to know what is allowed and what is not. But you should also ask the support service whether users must do KYC before withdrawing their money, especially if they come from a prohibited country.

And if they allow users from prohibited countries to register and deposit money, you need to be suspicious because this has to do with withdrawing money later. Many casinos like that won't ask many questions but when the user wants to withdraw their money, then the problem arises.

And if you find a casino like that, you just have to register and don't deposit any money until you know for sure. You have to make sure everything is first before acting so that you don't experience problems.

[wxa7115]

That where I don't like, if they are not asking for KYC at the point of registration then they should not ask again in the withdrawal time. Because asking at the registration time is much more better than the withdrawal because at the registration time everything is very simple the customer only provide the basic documents and start using the account but when they ask it in the withdrawal time, I don't probably they don't want you to withdraw your personal money, the documents they will ask will be more and if any of the documents is not clear or missing they ban your account but this can not happened in the registration time.

They never stop the depositing process because they want money. And one thing they don't know that when the withdrawal is good then the casino will move well.

That would be the ideal but we have to be honest with ourselves, that is not happening, if the verification process was started before you could even open an account with that casino, you can be sure many gamblers will simply avoid that casino and then look for another one that allows them to open account without going through that process.

So while casinos are at fault, it is not as if the gamblers themselves do not share some of the blame, as their actions basically push casinos to do things this way.

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It's really unfair and frustrating. It can lead to players being unable to withdraw their winnings even if they have won fairly.

One possible reason is that they are trying to scam players. If the players can't withdraw their winnings, there's nothing they can do about it if they don't want to undergo KYC. Another possible reason is that they are trying to comply with AML regulations. Do most AML regulations not require KYC for all cryptocurrency transactions?

It is important to be aware of the policy before you deposit money. If you are not comfortable providing your personal information, then leave it or choose a different casino that doesn't require KYC upon withdrawal request.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

It's really unfair and frustrating. It can lead to players being unable to withdraw their winnings even if they have won fairly.

To be honest many gambling websites have such easy registration system. No business whats to give their potential customers some hard time and risk to lose the customer.

Even with some of the fiat casinos [as far as I can remember] you will not be asked for anything before even depositing. When you will try to withdraw winning then they will ask for a full KYC.

As some others already suggested, read terms and conditions. There are nothing to feel unfair. You will feel frustrated if you fail to understand the contract between a casino and you.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

What you have to do, then, is to play at the few remaining casinos that don't ask for KYC or don't do it within limits, which you can see in this list:

Information of Crypto Casinos License and KYC requirements

I know that some of the people on the list who have a limit from which they ask for KYC at least until a year ago or so turned a blind eye, that is, the KYC in the ToS was more for show. But it is not the norm. Nowadays, KYC is becoming more and more common, and as they have explained to you, casinos make it easy to deposit but difficult to withdraw, including asking for KYC, something that happens even in fiat casinos.

[Nrcewker]

That’s why always read the terms and conditions of the site, where you are registering or depositing and playing. Often in the site’s terms and conditions, it’s mentioned about the rules of the site, and if they are doing then there must be a specific information regarding the KYC. I am not defending any shady site through my statement, but yes this is a basic thing that we should be aware of while visiting new site. Read the site’s rules, and play or gamble accordingly.