COVID is dead, "long live the new COVID". World economy get ready?

[DrBeer]

I will say one thing - I would not take into account the statements of Chinese officials as information for a real assessment of the situation. Remember about Covid, this is quite enough to no longer trust “official information”. Or a softer formulation - Chinese official statements, I would consider as a last resort.

You are totally right we should not trust China news even any other news. We should trust the locals most, because they are the one who will share the true stories on there social media platforms but the problem with that is, they are not allowed (means banned) to use apps that we mostly use. Because they have there own social media apps that they use.

But who can know the inside news, like what really is happening there, all I can say is to pray that nothing will come ever like Covid, because it was artificial and many people murdered died with no reason. I don't know about other countries, but people in my countries, no matter if they have covid or not at the end they died, even the regular patients who went to hospitals for bandages, declared died by doctors to his fellow friend who went with him. There are many stories like this and most of these stories might not be shown on international media but only the locals knows what really was happening here.

This is exactly what I'm talking about - especially valuable information would be information from local Chinese residents. However, some information isolation, or rather China's isolationist policy and total control over information will most likely limit this possibility very much. But let's hope !

By the way, another question to the respected forum members - how is the situation with Kovid-19 and vaccination in your countries now? Any information about new diseases, about supply of updated vaccine ?

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[flyingcarpet]

I will say one thing - I would not take into account the statements of Chinese officials as information for a real assessment of the situation. Remember about Covid, this is quite enough to no longer trust “official information”. Or a softer formulation - Chinese official statements, I would consider as a last resort.

You are totally right we should not trust China news even any other news. We should trust the locals most, because they are the one who will share the true stories on there social media platforms but the problem with that is, they are not allowed (means banned) to use apps that we mostly use. Because they have there own social media apps that they use.

But who can know the inside news, like what really is happening there, all I can say is to pray that nothing will come ever like Covid, because it was artificial and many people murdered died with no reason. I don't know about other countries, but people in my countries, no matter if they have covid or not at the end they died, even the regular patients who went to hospitals for bandages, declared died by doctors to his fellow friend who went with him. There are many stories like this and most of these stories might not be shown on international media but only the locals knows what really was happening here.

This is exactly what I'm talking about - especially valuable information would be information from local Chinese residents. However, some information isolation, or rather China's isolationist policy and total control over information will most likely limit this possibility very much. But let's hope !

By the way, another question to the respected forum members - how is the situation with Kovid-19 and vaccination in your countries now? Any information about new diseases, about supply of updated vaccine ?

Getting real information from local people is the most logical and reliable way. We all know the statements made under Covid. The banning of applications used by the people is a grave situation. Information can be accessed wherever there is internet, it just takes time.

I hope the world will never experience such a pandemic again. There is no news about vaccination in my country, but we often see news about this new situation on social media.

[0t3p0t]

Our country's economy has not yet recovered the devastating pandemic way back 2020 and now new variant is coming out again and is more fatal than the previous ones. Is this an economic sabotage? I might be wrong but for me this is some kind of biological weapon to weaken the worlds economic growth. This originated in a country that has everything ready like vaccines, masks and any medical kits needed for this specific type of illness. Aren't they creating something that could destroy others but gave them an economic advantage? Is this depopulation? Please share your thoughts on this as I am really tired on this issue.

[DrBeer]

Our country's economy has not yet recovered the devastating pandemic way back 2020 and now new variant is coming out again and is more fatal than the previous ones. Is this an economic sabotage? I might be wrong but for me this is some kind of biological weapon to weaken the worlds economic growth. This originated in a country that has everything ready like vaccines, masks and any medical kits needed for this specific type of illness. Aren't they creating something that could destroy others but gave them an economic advantage? Is this depopulation? Please share your thoughts on this as I am really tired on this issue.

About the possible version of the last pandemic as "man-made" - has a valid point, but it's not clear whether it was intentional or not.
But about the place where it all started and readiness - a controversial issue. China was the center of spreading, but there were neither vaccines nor sufficient preparation at the first stage. The fact that the industry was able to increase production of masks is simply an indicator of the adaptability of the industry and its margin of safety. The vaccine came much later.
But here the question is whether the virus itself is the work of Chinese "experts" or someone "helped" them, putting China under such a blow?

[angrybirdy]

Our country's economy has not yet recovered the devastating pandemic way back 2020 and now new variant is coming out again and is more fatal than the previous ones. Is this an economic sabotage? I might be wrong but for me this is some kind of biological weapon to weaken the worlds economic growth. This originated in a country that has everything ready like vaccines, masks and any medical kits needed for this specific type of illness. Aren't they creating something that could destroy others but gave them an economic advantage? Is this depopulation? Please share your thoughts on this as I am really tired on this issue.

About the possible version of the last pandemic as "man-made" - has a valid point, but it's not clear whether it was intentional or not.
But about the place where it all started and readiness - a controversial issue. China was the center of spreading, but there were neither vaccines nor sufficient preparation at the first stage. The fact that the industry was able to increase production of masks is simply an indicator of the adaptability of the industry and its margin of safety. The vaccine came much later.
But here the question is whether the virus itself is the work of Chinese "experts" or someone "helped" them, putting China under such a blow?

the said speculations are "viruses spreading in our country is already man-made", just like covid19 but there's no solid evidence to prove the speculations rumors around, and the pinpoint of the viruses came from china, and the whole production of things needed for safety and precautious are also from them. seems like, all of this are planned but I'm not really sure.

[yohananaomi]

It’s hard to trust anything on the internet nowadays especially when it is material that has to do with sensitive topics that may cause fear and panic. If the news is true, China should do everything they can to contain the spread of the virus until a vaccine is developed. The world cannot afford another pandemic right now, we are still recovering from Covid and honestly the economy hasn’t been the same since 2020.

That's right, after the end of the pandemic, which started to decrease, we were not yet fully able to recover from the downturn because the funds used as anticipation for reducing the pandemic problem quite drained the available budget, which was not previously allocated for this, and we know that the pandemic period is quite long.I agree with you that at this time, if another pandemic occurs, it will certainly have a big impact, and it is not impossible that many will not be ready to face this reality.

It's not easy to suppress information about something that happened so that it can't be exposed on social media; it's easy to share things that aren't necessarily true. especially with sensitive news, and it is very easy for it to spread quickly. But there's no harm in remaining alert and trying to protect your surroundings first. Assuming the news is true, at least there is prevention, starting with ourselves, and we can minimize the situation so that it doesn't get worse.

[|MINER|]

This is really a very scary news.Covid is still there in the world.  Many developing countries are still carrying the burden on their heads. Meanwhile, there is another fear.  The economy is only just beginning to recover from the economic damage caused by COVID. Poor countries will be wiped out if another pandemic breaks out now.  God forbid something happens.  May God save us all from such an epidemic.  And if this information is true, then the Chinese government must take measures to prevent it as soon as possible.  We all need to be aware that it doesn't spread around the world.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Hopefully though it isn't real. I'll never want to be locked inside of my house ever again.

Don't know what country you're in, but in my area of the US nobody was locked inside their houses.  Some businesses weren't open, which was inconvenient, and the economy suffered as a result of that, but that seems like so long ago.

I've seen this thread kicking around but didn't open it until now.  So this new virus has originated in China, eh?  That was the case with COVID and yet it seems like nobody wanted to hear that fact--probably because of what a superpower China has become.  I haven't been hearing much about it from people, so I'm hoping it gets contained before we end up with another debacle over here with masks and vaccinations and all that shit.  That's what really bugs me.

the said speculations are "viruses spreading in our country is already man-made", just like covid19 but there's no solid evidence to prove the speculations rumors around, and the pinpoint of the viruses came from china, and the whole production of things needed for safety and precautious are also from them. seems like, all of this are planned but I'm not really sure.

The news came out of China, right?  It just makes me wonder what the hell is going on in some of the microbiology labs there, and what they're doing as far as virus research.  It's not as though a lot of news leaks out of China about those things (same goes for other countries, too, I suppose).

[DrBeer]

Some news from world sources:
"On November 21, the government's disease surveillance system, ProMED, issued a report of 'undiagnosed pneumonia.' ProMED, which is led by health experts, previously sounded the alarm about the virus that causes COVID-19 in 2019."

“With the outbreak of pneumonia in China, children's hospitals in Beijing, Liaoning and other places were overwhelmed with sick children, and schools and classes were on the verge of being suspended,” ProMED said, citing an FTV News report. “It is completely unclear when this outbreak began as it would be unusual for so many children to be affected so quickly.”

The report reveals a widespread outbreak of an undiagnosed respiratory disease in several areas of China, as Beijing and Liaoning are nearly 800 km apart. "

"According to Chinese health authorities, the outbreak may be linked to Mycoplasma pneumoniae, also known as 'walking pneumonia.'"

[Argoo]

Our country's economy has not yet recovered the devastating pandemic way back 2020 and now new variant is coming out again and is more fatal than the previous ones. Is this an economic sabotage? I might be wrong but for me this is some kind of biological weapon to weaken the worlds economic growth. This originated in a country that has everything ready like vaccines, masks and any medical kits needed for this specific type of illness. Aren't they creating something that could destroy others but gave them an economic advantage? Is this depopulation? Please share your thoughts on this as I am really tired on this issue.

If the coronavirus originated and was released intentionally or by negligence as a biological weapon, then it was unlikely to be produced to restrain economic growth in one or more states. Most likely, it was developed to reduce the total population on our planet. Such viruses cannot be directed to a specific country and keep it there within its borders. What it was, perhaps we will ever find out. But perhaps this will remain a big secret. It must be assumed that we will see the appearance of such viruses more than once.

[hyudien]

By the way, another question to the respected forum members - how is the situation with Kovid-19 and vaccination in your countries now? Any information about new diseases, about supply of updated vaccine ?

The current situation in our country regarding the new Covid issue has not yet fully emerged, but if I'm not mistaken, some time ago there was brief news on social media that there was a new type of virus which was not much different from Covid 19, you could say the level was higher. However, because at that time we didn't really pay attention and study the news, so there was minimal information. Maybe I need to check again, what is clear is that things like this always cause public unrest and seem to be on the agenda of certain groups. We know that the media is a powerful weapon for manipulating actual conditions to achieve goals. I mean, it's possible that a handful of people who control the media are trying to create a hidden agenda because they think Covid 19 has succeeded in disrupting almost 90% of the global economy and we ordinary people are also feeling the impact.

I don't want to be skeptical and make assumptions about conspiracies and the like, but the more we know about it the harder it is to understand it. We are required not to swallow everything that happens as a coincidence, but are required to think more critically, looking for sources of information down to the roots. Ensure that our actions in responding to news to change the situation must be carefully considered. I don't want to be trapped in a pandemic situation for the umpteenth time, we have just recovered and improved the economy and then we are again faced with a problem that has managed to destroy all elements of the principles that we hold dear. It's not easy to survive again in the midst of Covid. Almost all infrastructure, including health, work, transportation, sources of basic needs, etc., has become unstable.

Imagine if the Covid 19 we have experienced was an initial simulation or training to face more dire conditions. As a question, how many total deaths did Covid 19 cause overall in the world? Might those of us who survive face a higher phase of Covid levels?

[DrBeer]

From the news feeds:
"Russia has become a leader in the number of new cases of COVID-19 infection over the past month. According to a report by the World Health Organization (WHO), 279,400 new cases were registered in the country during this period. The number of new cases in the country rose by 130% during the month, while the number of deaths rose by 50% to 376.

The total number of coronavirus cases worldwide increased by 52% to more than 850,000 in the past 28 days. Deaths have fallen 8% to 3,000.

The Coronavirus Task Force has recorded more than 96,900 new cases, more than 8,700 hospitalizations and more than 160 deaths in Russia over the past week. An increase in morbidity has been noted in 37 regions.

The second place in terms of morbidity was taken by Singapore with 120,898 cases (+86%). Among the leaders are also Italy (114,795, +10%), Poland (39,828, +82%) and Australia (39,505, +12%). The statistics are based on information from 105 countries and may not reflect the full picture of COVID-19 spread.

Medics expect a tridemic in Russia - a triple epidemic involving seasonal viruses, influenza and COVID-19."

Bottom line - the situation is not good. That I can confirm that for a month in Europe (I know for sure - in Germany, friends live there), and I in Ukraine, "seasonal" flu. It is manifested by rather high temperature (up to 38+), runny nose, cough, general weakness.  I think the variant with "multivirus infection" will be a bad "gift" to mankind. And again - trends and growth of the sick, clearly says that the pandemic is not over, the disease is not defeated. Vaccination is still the only option to reduce the risks.
What about vaccination in your countries?

[bakasabo]

Good that you have reminded us about Covid. Several years have passed since we face its severe form and consequences. Previous year people were silent mostly about it. But this year, 2 weeks ago, I have managed to catch it. This is second time I am having it, but this time, it wasnt just a high temperature, I have also lost smell for about a week. I have 3 vaccine shots made already, and this week I was offered to make a fourth shot. So I advice to everyone, at least dont forget to wash hands more often.

[DrBeer]

Good that you have reminded us about Covid. Several years have passed since we face its severe form and consequences. Previous year people were silent mostly about it. But this year, 2 weeks ago, I have managed to catch it. This is second time I am having it, but this time, it wasnt just a high temperature, I have also lost smell for about a week. I have 3 vaccine shots made already, and this week I was offered to make a fourth shot. So I advice to everyone, at least dont forget to wash hands more often.

Thank you

The thing is, I consider the COVIDA pandemic, in terms of destructive power, commensurate with war, and all over the world. I had it myself in the beginning, and I have the most negative memories. And I will be sincerely glad if I save at least 1 person from it. But practice shows that COVID comes back.... Now in my country there is an increase of COVID disease. Yes, this time the majority of people bear it more easily, but why risk it once again?
Personally, my recommendations are vaccination, hygiene, antiseptic after visiting public places, if possible minimize visits to places where there is a closed space and a lot of people, as well as minimize visits to hospitals.

[idarasun]

Seems like fear-mongering to me. COVID has been swept under the rag for a year now and people have seem to move on from this issue. I guess, this will be sensationalized once the authenticity of this reports get validated. People will then move to panicking phase and might even cause a lot of panic to other people. That will start a domino effect that will soon translate to the economy, or worse, another set of lockdowns.

Hopefully though it isn't real. I'll never want to be locked inside of my house ever again.

The COVID-19 pandemic has had a serious impact on the global economy. I see that many countries are experiencing a recession and even losing jobs and this has an impact on economic health, the government's efforts may be appropriate to impose a lock down even though this really affects the people's economy, but on the other hand, with the lock down, I think it will slightly reduce the death rate.

[bakasabo]

Good that you have reminded us about Covid. Several years have passed since we face its severe form and consequences. Previous year people were silent mostly about it. But this year, 2 weeks ago, I have managed to catch it. This is second time I am having it, but this time, it wasnt just a high temperature, I have also lost smell for about a week. I have 3 vaccine shots made already, and this week I was offered to make a fourth shot. So I advice to everyone, at least dont forget to wash hands more often.

Thank you

The thing is, I consider the COVIDA pandemic, in terms of destructive power, commensurate with war, and all over the world. I had it myself in the beginning, and I have the most negative memories. And I will be sincerely glad if I save at least 1 person from it. But practice shows that COVID comes back.... Now in my country there is an increase of COVID disease. Yes, this time the majority of people bear it more easily, but why risk it once again?
Personally, my recommendations are vaccination, hygiene, antiseptic after visiting public places, if possible minimize visits to places where there is a closed space and a lot of people, as well as minimize visits to hospitals.

My local media is strangely silent about covid, while previously it has posted daily statistics, but current covid looks very easy to catch. Or we have simply forgotten about them. We had Christmas party at work, more than 100 people in one place, and all of them got covid since Friday. Not everyone has announced and confessed, but I already see that tomorrow almost no one is coming to the office. Previously, people with covid came secretly and irresponsibly came to office with it, and managed did not infect anyone.

[Lorence.xD]

Good that you have reminded us about Covid. Several years have passed since we face its severe form and consequences. Previous year people were silent mostly about it. But this year, 2 weeks ago, I have managed to catch it. This is second time I am having it, but this time, it wasnt just a high temperature, I have also lost smell for about a week. I have 3 vaccine shots made already, and this week I was offered to make a fourth shot. So I advice to everyone, at least dont forget to wash hands more often.

Thank you

The thing is, I consider the COVIDA pandemic, in terms of destructive power, commensurate with war, and all over the world. I had it myself in the beginning, and I have the most negative memories. And I will be sincerely glad if I save at least 1 person from it. But practice shows that COVID comes back.... Now in my country there is an increase of COVID disease. Yes, this time the majority of people bear it more easily, but why risk it once again?
Personally, my recommendations are vaccination, hygiene, antiseptic after visiting public places, if possible minimize visits to places where there is a closed space and a lot of people, as well as minimize visits to hospitals.

Almost everyone has a negative experience and memories with COVID-19 since it has been spread to every country. Even if we say that some people take advantage of the situation like the investors, for sure they still suffer from the experience since everyone has to adjust to the state of the country. In my country, COVID has not been heard for a long time, even if there's news about it, people wouldn't care more as they are much more focused on the recovery of what's lost in the lockdown. However, I have observed that despite not paying attention to COVID-19, they are already used to the habit of wearing facemask, using of alcohols or sanitizers, etc. which I think is a good thing.

[tygeade]

The thing is, I consider the COVIDA pandemic, in terms of destructive power, commensurate with war, and all over the world. I had it myself in the beginning, and I have the most negative memories. And I will be sincerely glad if I save at least 1 person from it. But practice shows that COVID comes back.... Now in my country there is an increase of COVID disease. Yes, this time the majority of people bear it more easily, but why risk it once again?
Personally, my recommendations are vaccination, hygiene, antiseptic after visiting public places, if possible minimize visits to places where there is a closed space and a lot of people, as well as minimize visits to hospitals.

Thankfully it is much better nowadays and doesn't kill as many people as it once did. I had it a month or two months ago I think, and I had super high fever, it was so terrible that at night I got hot and I wanted to take the blanket of myself and I couldn't do it. Imagine being so powerless and tired and can't move that, I had trouble moving my arms enough to remove the blanket off myself, that's a terrible terrible thing.

That is why I understand peoples opinion on how to be save from Covid, all those people who do not believe it and do not want to take any type of vaccination and all that, it's their own decision and that doesn't really mean that I will force them, but nobody could stop me from getting my own shots, after having covid once, you will pray for a shot to save you.

[Jatiluhung]

Thank you OP for providing this news. I've been too busy lately and rarely read foreign news. Because I just focus on work and have fun when I get home from work.

Well that is quite surprising news. But I hope there will be no new Covid again. Because the latest pandemic has really paralyzed some economies in many countries. And if it happens again then I think it will be even worse. Although the economic destruction actually got worse after the war. But regarding inflation, it is clear that it occurred as a result of post-Covid. The consequences of excess money printing and other related factors related to producers not being ready for the post-pandemic consumer boom have been declared to have disappeared.

But we still have to make preparations. And we have to learn from Covid in the past few years. At that time, many people were not prepared for the economic shock caused by the pandemic. And I think by now we should be better prepared if something like Covid happens again. Economically ready and also ready with an understanding of health protocols.

But this really has to be said, but in the last few months the spike in people getting the flu has been very high. But I am aware that the impact of climate change here is so abnormal. Well here there was a long dry season and then suddenly it rained. But that was for a while and then the drought happened again. So the impact on health can be felt. And things like that are quite common at every change in weather. But what I focus on is that the current flu is sometimes more severe than the flu that existed several years ago. But fortunately the human immune system also adapts to this. So I think stay calm and take care of your health and finances.

[Mame89]

Two issues:

1. The world economy and population has not yet everywhere moved away from the covid and events of 2022, and ... a new global pandemic awaits us ?  Your opinion - what and how to prepare for ?
2. Can anyone from China confirm or deny this news ?

Even during Covid, there are many pros and cons, some even say that Covid is a conspiracy to seek business profits from this excessive epidemic, I also suspect whether this is the second volume of the conspiracy?
Those who believe too much will become victims but those who don't believe will be fine, like during Covid several years ago. If we talk about the economy, of course the impact is very big, like Covid which has not yet fully recovered, but now there is new news like this again, so I am increasingly confident to continue buying Bitcoin for stronger financial future. Because during Covid several years ago the economy was bad but the value of bitcoin did not fall, instead the price of bitcoin rose.

In my opinion, the point is not to exaggerate the news. Over time, the virus will disappear and people don't need to be too afraid because excessive fear will cause the body's immune system to decrease so that the body is susceptible to disease. Try to ignore this disease. After a while, the news will disappear.