Response to Icopress

[JollyGood]

If you knew I would post here and you were expecting me, you could have at least make the effort to acknowledge my post. I think the correct form of action would be for you to offer an apology for accusing Poker Player and myself of contacting your clients (and/or prospective clients). Let us see if you can manage that.

As for not only contacting clients that are associated with icopress but to go on and try to defend yourself with justification for doing so, I think you are behaving in an extremely hypocritical manner because when you (allegedly) suffered that fate you created threads and tried to seek support even though you had zero proof as to who was behind it. In this situation, you are not even denying it was you.

ah JollyGood

Finally you are here. I knew it and expecting you already. Carry on.

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I expect Poker Player too. But whatever you guys do, I will appreciate to discuss on topic please.

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[AB de Royse777]

So, you're saying that you can't prove it and that you realized it could be someone else, but you still don't think it's a false accusation? Even though Poker Player has publicly denied ever contacting anyone about you?

I can't prove does not mean the accusation is false. I gave him benefit of the doubt does not mean that the accusation was false too. You seem biased most importantly this is not the topic today. Can I ask again to be on topic? I already asked for it.

@GazetaBitcoin, "brag yourself" - don't you think you are master in it and you sound shameless when you do. Shall I remind "(the template, scripts - guess what I mean)"? Leave it, that's not my goal to be honest and you are not doing anything wrong by doing it, after all everyone wants to present their best.

Uhm... what's the problem you point here?

You are a minion of Icopress.

I mean that if you consider one scenario unethical/unacceptable/etc, then the other one likely is unethical/unacceptable/etc too. Consistency.

Of course it's consistency. I did not think it was unethical so I did not mind Icopress, as a manager he can reach out to anyone.

sensitive when someone says something about you

Correct.

That someones are JollyGood, airfinex, Poker Player (used to be, not sure if he still is), decodx is new one added. Just look how hard they are trying to give a diversion to the topic. I will suggest everyone to avoid them. The recent behaviors from Icopress was surprising (he definitely did not like the pay rate I had for Sinbad, Mixero, Yo!Mix and recently Tumbler. He also did not like the thread against airfinex for unknown reason. You are in a business, face the competition and improve. The way you are reacting - *asking members to be loyal to you, pushing them for free reviews just because they are in the campaign, saying other campaigns are not competitive than one of yours* - is not the correct way). GazetaBitcoin is the minion.

* I am sorry, I hope it is now justifiable although I was always ignoring many of those.

I will avoid replying to JollyGood, airfinex, Poker Player, decodx and GazetaBitcoin . Let's work on solving the problems Icopress have against me.

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I had to edit the OP with the quote in the first line.

[yenerbatmaz]

@GazetaBitcoin, "brag yourself" - don't you think you are master in it and you sound shameless when you do. Shall I remind "(the template, scripts - guess what I mean)"? Leave it, that's not my goal to be honest and you are not doing anything wrong by doing it, after all everyone wants to present their best.

Uhm... what's the problem you point here?

You are a minion of Icopress.

100% this, this @GazetaBitcoin ninja is a low skill nobody that has risen in ranks here purely by licking the boots of the old DT members,

if @Icopress wants to run a professional business, he is much better off cutting any connection to pure evil ass kissers like Gazata, just look at his "Gangs of Bitcointalk" thread, he has a deep seated inferiority complex against the entire Turkish nation, that guy is missing a few nails too many in the head...


@Royse777 would do the forum a huge service if he exposes any unethical / illegal behavior those 2 are running, this would also teach @Icopress not to associate himself with pure evil scum.


I wish Royse777 continued success in cleaning this compromised forum from pure trash like GazetaBitcoin and some of his buddies with ulterior motives.

[JollyGood]

I will avoid replying to JollyGood, airfinex, Poker Player, decodx and GazetaBitcoin . Let's work on solving the problems Icopress have against me.

I see you have added GazetaBitcoin and decodx to your list 

It seems icopress does not have any problem against you except for you contacting several clients associated with icopress trying to persuade them indirectly to ditch him and start a new working relationship with you. What you did is highly hypocritical.

~snip~

As I mentioned a in prior post, ythe only reason you are posting is because you are getting paid. The reason you are getting paid is because you are enrolled on a signature campaign and that only campaign manager that would have you is Royse777. That speak volumes about his own judgement and it gets questioned.

[xLays]

I'll leave this here as a reminder for myself.

Three of my clients (I have not yet received a response from the rest) informed me that they received a letter from Royce in which he intrusively offers his services under the pretext of banning mixers on Bitcointak. Making it sound like I'm nothing, Lol.. maybe he thinks I can't take care of marketing to my clients outside of the forum.

What’s especially funny is that not long ago I was chatting about sponsorship deals with MegaPari, but when it came to launching a campaign, I refused and wrote to Royce to contact these guys.

For me this is extremely unethical behavior.

Edited: Four of my clients.

I know Royse also experienced the same thing, maybe not from campaign managers but from the signature campaign applicants. (Like you already posted a thread for signature campaign but this people still PMing the incharge representative of the client about if they can join the signature campaign regardless what the campaign manager decision).
I want to post some proof but I don't want to have a discussion that may result me into trouble and yes I also consider this an unethical behavior. We need to respect each other.

[GazetaBitcoin]

@GazetaBitcoin, "brag yourself" - don't you think you are master in it and you sound shameless when you do.

Oh, how so?

Shall I remind "(the template, scripts - guess what I mean)"?

Again, not sure what you mean when you are so cryptic.

Leave it, that's not my goal to be honest

It's not your goal to be honest? Oo I guess more and more people start seeing this too...

you are not doing anything wrong

Than what are we talking about here?

You are a minion of Icopress.

Oh, right!



Isn't it the opposite though? Are you sure?

I will suggest everyone to avoid them.

Why?

I will avoid replying to JollyGood, airfinex, Poker Player, decodx and GazetaBitcoin

Oh no! I feel shocked!

Are you 10?

No, I'm 6.

You even once accused admin of something horrible, wasn't that you?

In the first part you sentence is an allegation. In the end it becomes a question. Can you decide if I did such thing or if you are asking me if I did it? In any case, perhaps you can show a link to this act of lèse-majesté I did? Asking for a friend. (Oh, also, specify which admin I accused -- there are 2 of them.)

I wonder why is it you guys are always together everywhere ? Maybe because you are a gang?

Obviously. Haven't you read this topic?

Unless you are itching for closer inspections on your activities and relations?

Of course "we" (whatever this "we" means) are itching for such inspections.

100% this, this @GazetaBitcoin ninja is a low skill nobody that has risen in ranks here purely by licking the boots of the old DT members

Oh, wow! I'm a ninja!

[...] pure evil ass kissers like Gazata, just look at his "Gangs of Bitcointalk" thread, he has a deep seated inferiority complex against the entire Turkish nation, that guy is missing a few nails too many in the head...

All I'll reply here is this:

Misc: for some reason, the gang members seem very scared when they see the picture below, acting like the vampires when they see the daylight

I wish Royse777 continued success in cleaning this compromised forum from pure trash like GazetaBitcoin and some of his buddies with ulterior motives.

Now, you should decide -- am I trash or ninja? These terms are not actually compatible taken together...

[Shenanigan]

Don't force me to go bad and expose what you two do behind the scene (the template, scripts - guess what I mean).

Please tell me about it

Sorry this is not my goal for this topic.

Please tell me it to PM

[decodx]

So, you're saying that you can't prove it and that you realized it could be someone else, but you still don't think it's a false accusation? Even though Poker Player has publicly denied ever contacting anyone about you?

I can't prove does not mean the accusation is false. I gave him benefit of the doubt does not mean that the accusation was false too. You seem biased most importantly this is not the topic today. Can I ask again to be on topic? I already asked for it.

I'm sorry to prove you wrong (again) ^{[1], [2]}, but that's precisely what a false accusation means:

A false accusation is a claim or allegation of wrongdoing that is untrue and/or otherwise unsupported by facts. False accusations are also known as groundless accusations or unfounded accusations or false allegations or false claims.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation

I will avoid replying to JollyGood, airfinex, Poker Player, decodx and GazetaBitcoin . Let's work on solving the problems Icopress have against me.

Well, it's not like it's a surprise for you to bail from a discussion when your errors are exposed – a routine you've mastered on multiple occasions. Consistency, I'll give you that. It's a shame that you don't apply the same level of consistency in your other decisions.

I see you have added GazetaBitcoin and decodx to your list 

I don't care about being on his "list." For those who prefer a bubble of like-mindedness, feel free to ignore me. I will speak my mind regardless. However, it looks like the list isn't complete; in fact, it seems to be expanding steadily.

[suchmoon]

I mean that if you consider one scenario unethical/unacceptable/etc, then the other one likely is unethical/unacceptable/etc too. Consistency.

Of course it's consistency. I did not think it was unethical so I did not mind Icopress, as a manager he can reach out to anyone.

You did not think it was unethical for someone to message your clients with the warning about you? That's news to me.

Or you're just trolling me now, which makes this thread a big joke. Lock it and move on would be my advice but I know you won't listen.

[AB de Royse777]

I mean that if you consider one scenario unethical/unacceptable/etc, then the other one likely is unethical/unacceptable/etc too. Consistency.

Of course it's consistency. I did not think it was unethical so I did not mind Icopress, as a manager he can reach out to anyone.

You did not think it was unethical for someone to message your clients with the warning about you? That's news to me

OMG what I did so bad!
I did not take it as unethical that he contacted my clients with his offer of sponsorship.

What’s especially funny is that not long ago I was chatting about sponsorship deals with MegaPari, but when it came to launching a campaign, I refused and wrote to Royce to contact these guys.

But what airfinex did was unethical and it's not the topic today.
I am just trying to understand if you got a clear understanding in your mind about the persons.

but I know you won't listen

That's not going to solve the problem that rose. I will wait for Icopress to exchange our words. Everyone else can just ignore the topic please.

[Vod]

Don't force me to go bad and expose what you two do behind the scene (the template, scripts - guess what I mean). Have in mind that I am also a campaign manager and I have connections with a lot of projects which I managed and not managed

This concerns me, the hint of blackmail/extortion.  You know someone is doing something wrong, and you keep quiet because it benefits you, then you threaten to expose it if the benefits stop?   

[joker_josue]

I would like to highlight the following:


The fact that @Icopress gave @Royse777 a merit in this topic shows that he approved the opening of it, and perhaps even had a better understanding of what happened.

In Portugal we sometimes say: "everyone has glass roofs". What this means? It means that we all have pointing fingers, and less positive aspects. I think all not that was needed at this moment in the forum would be for two good campaign managers to get into a disagreement.

Therefore, I hope that both can understand each other, and that they maintain a good business relationship, even if they are competitors. If all campaign managers remain united professionally, the entire forum can benefit from good campaigns.

Come on guys, sort it out. And if you want to come to neutral ground, come to Portugal, and I'll buy you lunch - so everything can be sorted out.  
^{The annoying thing is that I'm bad at English... but the translators help.}

[GazetaBitcoin]

I will wait for Icopress to exchange our words. Everyone else can just ignore the topic please.

1. I think icopress doesn’t care about this thread because he is busy with more important things, since as far as I know his house burned down. Therefore, I believe that the only thing that worries him is work to compensate for this loss with money. And the fact that you write to his clients is a shame for you.

2. One of his campaign participants died tonight, so I think this is another reason why he should not care about your arrogant publications. He should probably be busy with this.

[digaran]

Guys, please don't fight, I take everything I said back, all of you guys are the best, no need to fight all the time, name calling each other. Try to spread peace and be good to each other. This shit is out of my hand, I can't talk about higher ups apparently.(go figure) Be good and nice. And forget about reputation etc. I also deleted my posts here. Good luck.

[suchmoon]

OMG what I did so bad!
I did not take it as unethical that he contacted my clients with his offer of sponsorship.

[...]

But what airfinex did was unethical and it's not the topic today.
I am just trying to understand if you got a clear understanding in your mind about the persons.

The two different scenarios I was talking about were (1) Poker Player (allegedly) and/or airfinex contacting your clients and (2) you contacting icopress' clients. I re-read my posts and I don't see any mention of icopress talking to your clients so I don't know where you got that from.

If you think that (1) was unethical, then you should also apply the same standard to yourself and not do (2), or at least admit that what you did was also unethical instead of starting this fallacious counterattack.

As for icopress discussing something with your clients, his post didn't make it clear if he messaged them first, and in the end he decided against it, so I don't think this compares. If anything, it shows that icopress has more consistency in his words/actions.

That's not going to solve the problem that rose. I will wait for Icopress to exchange our words. Everyone else can just ignore the topic please.

Even more of a reason to lock the topic and do this via PM. Why start a public thread and then ask to ignore it.

Edit: grammar.

[Hhampuz]

Not that anyone asked for my opinion on the matter but I'll share it anyways since I'm just waiting for the Game Awards to go live.

Please note, I have no dog in this fight and generally I do not care what you do or don't do in regards to managing campaigns, promotions or how you conduct yourself as a regular forum user.

Either way, to the point. Any manager or otherwise who would reach out to a brand that you know someone else is managing a campaign or promotion for is disrespectful and disingenuous. If you were to just reach out to the respective manager and see if they had thought about it or what the plans are that's one thing but to go over their head directly to the client is no bueno. If it were a campaign I managed a year ago and they've had no presence here since I would not care at all, that's free game as I do not "own" that brand/service but if you do it while you know that I'm actively dealing with them I can only see it as a poor attempt at trying to poach others clients, even if it would be for something outside of bitcointalk. It's just not nice, and it only opens you up to being attacked and I can assure you it's not worth the hit to your reputation to try and pocket a few more satoshi.

I won't claim to know what the reason was behind the messages Royse sent or what icopress did or didn't do but that's at least my stance on it. I would never badmouth another manager (unless they're just bad), in fact I have been in contact with many brands and services who wanted to do marketing here but if I didn't feel that it was a right fit I'd recommend others and even if they say they're also in contact with other managers I'll just thank them for their time and let them know there's no wrong choice. All I'll ever ask of other managers is that they show the same respect to their colleagues and competitors, that and to have some self respect for the "craft". Too many times potential clients have told me they found someone else who offers to do the same job for $20/week which just isn't good enough.

Meh, time for the Game Awards now, take it easy and enough with these stupid fights over non-issues.

[Poker Player]

I expect Poker Player too.

Not really. I mean I come around but not for what you seem to expect. Just to reiterate for the umpteenth time that I never contacted any of your clients, even though one of your clients told you that I did, which at least to this day I know you at least doubt.

For the rest, I'm tired of this shit. So I'll leave you and icopress to argue if you want. Just to say that Hhampuz's answer seems to me to be extremely reasonable.