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December 11, 2023, 03:19:26 PM
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So he is banning himself and the system limit him to win max $200 only? What kind of system is this?
A ban is given but the player is still allowed to gamble with limited max win? What a fool...
I would say the gambler is a fool, how he is willing to accept such a term where he is banned but still allowed to gamble with max win?
I will not even accept the terms in such a ban system, if he is willing to avoid addiction, he should find a term where he is limited on max lose on each session or max lose in total for speified timeframe or even a ban system that completely ban him forever.
I will also he is a hero because he can stay away from gambling but I think it is not because of the ban system, it is more because of his own will.

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December 11, 2023, 03:29:07 PM
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I was reading some comments on line today and a story caught my attention, and I want to know how possible this is.

A guy claimed he won $5000 on a poker machine and that's where his addiction began, and when it get to the point that he lost his rent money to gambling he decide to take matters in his one way.

He proceeded by going to gaming commission and had his name banned by himself, ( Someone please tell me how this is possible?) never seen such in my country before. he claimed he still go back to casinos at times and he knew he can't ever win big again, because his name was flagged in the system, and if he win big they won't pay him.

He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.

What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?

I've heard of similar bans (where you can voluntarily ban yourself from local casinos). In my opinion, this is imbecility and shifting responsibility for oneself onto others. I wouldn’t want to do business and also keep track of the “names” of visitors - who fucking came to me on their own, but before that they banned themselves from me. What kind of nonsense is this and why should I do this and if I suddenly provide him with services, be responsible for it? If he does not control himself, then let him go to a psychiatric hospital and be treated.

Regarding this incident, what year was it? I can assume that this is definitely the case in this century (these stupid self-bans are a modern invention), so I’m not sure of the effectiveness of such actions - the guy hasn’t heard of the Internet and online gambling? If his addiction is really that strong, then he would definitely find a way to play online, besides, poker can be found everywhere on the Internet - even on YouTube there are thousands of hours of videos about poker tournaments and the like.

In general, this story does not look believable, but if we assume that it is true and this highly addicted gambler was able to end his addiction, then he did well.
But because of such idiots, life becomes harder for normal people - if there are lists of “self-banned”, then the casino must monitor them in order to prevent them from playing, and this leads to the need for a total KYC and other unpleasant things like taxes.

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December 11, 2023, 03:31:00 PM
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Honestly speaking, I really support the addicted gambler for the kind of action he took to limit his gamble life or addictions.
Only God knows what the so called addicted gambler have been going through during his gambling season. I say this because I believe that the time he won the huge amount of money, he was staking higher amount of money than before when he haven't won big.
However, it is hard to control, most when you won such a huge amount of money because you might be thinking that, that's the time for you to recover the ones you have lost and also gain more from gamble, but it is not like that and that is why most gamblers are been addicted today.
Most time or winning can be a dangerous temptation and it only takes those that have seen or own more than the kind of money that  they won to control the happiness of the huge one that they won.
If the gambler ban him self from gamble I do not see anything wrong with that because he is trying to keep a save distance with gamble.

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December 11, 2023, 03:41:42 PM
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What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?

This is useless already due to the existence of online casino. I’m not sure either the credibility of the story because there’s no such thing on my country that let you voluntarily list your name to be ban on all casino in your country unless you do something terrible that violate the casino rules but the restrictions will be limited to the specific casino that you made a violation.

As I said above. There’s a lot of ways to play gambling now without relying on IRL casino. I’m not saying it’s a fool move but rather a useless move.
When addiction is really not something that has been removed or had been resolved then you would really be finding yourself on such big trouble. Why? Just like on what you have said
that as long you are really that having those kind of gambling intents and interest then you would definitely be finding ways on how or you could really be play and as long you do have the funds and the money then you would really be definitely be looking neither offline or online. Self exclusions or banning up yourself would really be that pointless or useless because
not all the places of the world or platforms or businesses would really be considering people to play anytime.
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December 11, 2023, 03:43:00 PM
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So yes, you can do go to the gaming commission and ask yourself to be ban. I know a guy that has been banned, but he didn't do it himself, his wife did. The wife call the casinos and describe his husband and obviously his identification.

And then he told me that he was surprised when he go to a casino and that he was stop and was banned from entering. Later he found out that his wife is the one responsible because that time he was really addicted to that point that he is playing money that did not belong to him (he was a government employee that time).
Kudos to the man's wife in this story. She saved his life and elongated the years they have to spend in the marriage. I don't know how long ago this happened, I think she deserves the wife of the Year award.

If you want to test a gambler's honesty. If you want to know if they are deceiving themselves or not when they say they have taken a stand to quit gambling and would self -exclude themselves is if they follow it through or end up bringing up some silly excuses.

You would always know those who are taking responsibility for their gambling habits through their actions and inactions.

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December 11, 2023, 03:52:57 PM
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He did the right thing to secure his future and save himself from making silly mistakes that would affect his finances. I've not heard of such things, but it's quite common online, that some players get banned from playing games across every other online casino. Don't understand why other people see him as a fool, does it mean they want him to continue being addicted or repeating his mistakes? Or is he blamed for being addicted after winning 5k dollars? But, encouraging him to exclude himself through that method. It's quite a fast way of dealing with gambling addiction.

He is an hero because he knew this at the very begenning of the process which can give him a very worst life if he continued to gamble.
I like the idea of self exclusion by begambleaware.org , but this is mostly used by fiat betting sites.

so here is one more responsiblegambling.org, you can find this on every reputable crypto gambling site and can self exclude ourself if you want.


Didn't check through the site, does it work like what I described above? A good number of addicted players won't have the privilege of doing similar things. The addiction may have redirected their thoughts to focus mainly on gambling. The guy is indeed lucky to follow his mindset and quit immediately. He's gone through thick and thin due to gambling addiction. Imagine staking his house rent. The previous win or his, really left him a scar that reminded him he could win such an amount again. Gamblers should learn from the mistakes of others, and avoid compulsive or problem gambling, because of a big win in the past.

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December 11, 2023, 04:02:54 PM
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I was reading some comments on line today and a story caught my attention, and I want to know how possible this is.

A guy claimed he won $5000 on a poker machine and that's where his addiction began, and when it get to the point that he lost his rent money to gambling he decide to take matters in his one way.

He proceeded by going to gaming commission and had his name banned by himself, ( Someone please tell me how this is possible?) never seen such in my country before. he claimed he still go back to casinos at times and he knew he can't ever win big again, because his name was flagged in the system, and if he win big they won't pay him.

He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.

What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?
It’s the first time I’ve heard of a gambler banning himself from a casino (sounds a little funny), but stories about when close relatives turn to a casino with a request (I don’t know what exactly this appeal or request looks like) so that this gambler is not allowed into the casino and not allowed to gamble I have heard more than once.

Whatever methods are used, if they allow you to get rid of gambling addiction, then these are the right actions. Any means are good in the fight against this disease. The main thing is to achieve the goal. If the hero of your story succeeded, then praise and honor to him. Therefore, to the question posed in the title, I think the right answer is hero.

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December 11, 2023, 04:11:57 PM
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I think this practice is possible, and in many countries it is possible to prohibit oneself from taking loans from any banks.This function is also there. According to the guy who is listed in the starting post, he can easily gamble without checking his identity, so this method is not entirely safe , and there are plenty of such sites on the Internet.
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December 11, 2023, 04:13:05 PM
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Tell him to play online, no more banning would happen even if he is too good, unless he's cheating.

If the guy asked to be banned, it means that he, of his own volition, already knows that he has problems with gaming and as he couldn't control himself so he preferred to use the harshest method to prevent him from continuing to play, I think that despite being a very hard, he made a good decision, because according to him he no longer gambles, he was probably cured thanks to the decision he made, but if he had continued playing in online casinos after self-exclusion from physical casinos then his addicted condition would have worsened to very scary levels, he would have reached the level of selling all his assets to continue playing. I'm happy that the guy managed to cure himself, addiction and a dangerous illness

addiction destroys a person little by little, addiction separates you from other people and there comes a time when you look around and realize that you are alone, everyone who loves you abandons you, addiction has this ability to isolate you from the world, that's why that it is always good to play in moderation and not be a stubborn person, when a person realizes that they cannot control themselves, they cannot go days without playing, then the person must seek help quickly before it is too late, there are few people who are proud aside and take courage to tell the world that they are addicted and that they need help, most people when they are addicted hide because they feel ashamed, they feel afraid and they are too proud



In my opinion, the guy is a hero, he had the courage to admit that he has a gambling problem and that he couldn't get out of this problem alone, so he used the toughest method and that was right, at least the guy solved the problem. If he had hidden, then today he would be alone, addicted walking the streets with other vices like drugs

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December 11, 2023, 04:27:05 PM
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He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.
Banning himself from winning above $200 is not even the right thing to do in my country. $200 is a big amount of money, and beside, he can still gamble multiple times and win on average of $200, which won't stop him from gambling, but if that pattern works for him, that's a good thing.
 
For me, the best thing to do is to go and ban themselves entirely from being able to use the gambling house. That's,  he can only be allowed to come in and watch games, but to place a bet, he will be highly banned from doing so. That way, he can rest assured that he won't be able to gamble again.

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December 11, 2023, 04:39:25 PM
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And I think that he himself knows his capabilities and that is why he made that very difficult decision, to the point that he had measures taken for himself, and that is something that may be very extreme but for him himself it is efficient, it must be that his own mind plays tricks on him, that is why he has to do something like that, and if he does it it is because he knows that he can fall into the addiction of everything to the point that he can do things that are not correct to get money, it is a way of protection, I wouldn't do it like that, but it's her way of keeping things from getting out of control, I understand that someone's wife could do that to protect him, a woman if she is capable of doing something like that for love.

There are ways to protect yourself, but they are not so hard, so severe, but the player knows himself very well, and knows what he is capable of doing, each person chooses what they want for their life and if that means putting it on themselves, so that's it.

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December 11, 2023, 05:07:38 PM
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   I applaud him. .... This is a crazy thing for a gambling addict to do who is trying to get rid of the addiction.
If we look at it in terms of profit, of course he is a fool because he has limited himself, so no matter how much he wins, he will never get the whole result.
But in my opinion he is someone who is quite smart because he has learned that what makes someone so comfortable playing gambling, because they are too euphoric about the winnings they get. And the victory continues to overshadow them even though they have often received a defeat.

With a limit, he will never again overextend himself to gambling and be euphoric about the victory he gets, so that the activity slowly becomes an empty activity. So this can really help him to get out of the world of gambling, because he already considers that the real victory is to get out of the activity and leave it forever.

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December 11, 2023, 05:24:57 PM
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Of all the gamblers who admitted he has the addiction, it's just him who does the unthinkable so he can stop his addiction. It's insane however that he still gambles after all he did to avoid gambling by banning himself. No one has done that but I would be interested to learn who the guy is if OP has the link to him.

Tell him to play online, no more banning would happen even if he is too good, unless he's cheating.

This will put him back on track because of all the casinos he could hop around. He is still gambling even when he bans himself so he must like it still.
The more I think that he still gambles, he must haave been fighting the addiction but sneaks sometimes just to breathe and then back to fighting the addiction gain.

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December 11, 2023, 05:34:38 PM
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He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.

What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?
In fact, this incident, in my opinion, is what saved him and his family from a more serious gambling addiction. because in this case, when he has experienced winning with a large enough nominal value, then he will continue to hope for a win with that nominal amount continuously. On the other hand, with his name banned, of course he increasingly realizes that he no longer works very well or that it is no longer possible to earn much money from gambling. So maybe he's starting to realize that. Well, this is where he was actually helped. This might be extraordinary luck for him who almost became an addicted gambler who was getting worse and worse.


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December 11, 2023, 05:40:21 PM
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So yes, you can do go to the gaming commission and ask yourself to be ban. I know a guy that has been banned, but he didn't do it himself, his wife did. The wife call the casinos and describe his husband and obviously his identification.

And then he told me that he was surprised when he go to a casino and that he was stop and was banned from entering. Later he found out that his wife is the one responsible because that time he was really addicted to that point that he is playing money that did not belong to him (he was a government employee that time).
I didn't know this would apply in physical casinos as well but now when i think about it, why not.

But i am sure people can fly under a radar in some countries and play with smaller sums even if they excluded themselves. This wouldn't fly here in finland as these days as every player needs to do kyc via strong authentication via bank via online banking credentials etc. But i am fairly certain that most countries in the world aren't here yet. But they most likely will be as they are part of same kind of groups that are enforcing FATF rules. So enjoy your freedom while you still can. Not that this is all gloomy. At least i won't lose my winnings by losing a lottery ticket now.


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December 11, 2023, 05:46:49 PM
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So he is banning himself and the system limit him to win max $200 only? What kind of system is this?
A ban is given but the player is still allowed to gamble with limited max win? What a fool...
His story was he gamble his rent money, so I guess that is his way of limiting himself to gamble, pretty ridiculous right? If I'm winning then I'm going to continue it till I lose significant amount of money. For me he is not fool, he's trying to save himself in drowning from gambling. He just wanna say afloat with a limit of $200 at max!

I would say the gambler is a fool, how he is willing to accept such a term where he is banned but still allowed to gamble with max win?
He doesn't need to accept it, cause he did it, so he knew all along what it would cost him.

I will not even accept the terms in such a ban system, if he is willing to avoid addiction, he should find a term where he is limited on max lose on each session or max lose in total for speified timeframe or even a ban system that completely ban him forever.
Well I can agree on this, he's trying to limit himself but he did it the other way around which is odd to me. Anyways that's his plan. the next thing we should know is how long did he do it to himself  Cheesy
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December 11, 2023, 05:56:09 PM
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I was reading some comments on line today and a story caught my attention, and I want to know how possible this is.

A guy claimed he won $5000 on a poker machine and that's where his addiction began, and when it get to the point that he lost his rent money to gambling he decide to take matters in his one way.

He proceeded by going to gaming commission and had his name banned by himself, ( Someone please tell me how this is possible?) never seen such in my country before. he claimed he still go back to casinos at times and he knew he can't ever win big again, because his name was flagged in the system, and if he win big they won't pay him.

He said he was limited to winning $200, that anymore than this he would have to sign his name and be subject to prosecution for trespassing. He claimed his move took his joy out from gambling real fast, and now he haven't been near a casino in over 10 years.

What do you think? This is an insanely move on oneself to stop addiction, something done right? Would you do the same if such is possible in your country?

You're right, this isn't something we hear all the time, but I think that was an amazing and a heroic step towards killing his addiction and the best part of it was that it actually worked. There's nothing much Moore better than realizing that your addiction is taking the best part of your life and that it would ruin you if nothing was done and real quick. He truly understand what was gonna hit him if he didn't do nothing and he thought about such an amazing idea and it actually worked out for him just fine because if hadn't willingly done that, who knows what would have happened to him, he sure wouldn't have just lost his rent, who knows what else he could have lost due to his gambling addiction.

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December 11, 2023, 07:10:44 PM
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In fact, this incident, in my opinion, is what saved him and his family from a more serious gambling addiction. because in this case, when he has experienced winning with a large enough nominal value, then he will continue to hope for a win with that nominal amount continuously. On the other hand, with his name banned, of course he increasingly realizes that he no longer works very well or that it is no longer possible to earn much money from gambling. So maybe he's starting to realize that. Well, this is where he was actually helped. This might be extraordinary luck for him who almost became an addicted gambler who was getting worse and worse.
He was very lucky even though he would not accept the fact that happened to him because he had been limited to winning only $200, but he decided to stop gambling after that incident, So I think that disappointment brought luck to him because he stopped gambling with his winnings, I think we should follow the method to gamble only to make a profit and not only gamble for fun, but whatever is related to gambling there are profits and losses, so if you have won a high bet then withdraw the profits so that you can avoid gambling addiction.

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December 11, 2023, 07:20:33 PM
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This is one of the extreme measures that one could do in order to ensure that they will not set foot on a casino ever again. That doesn't exclude them from offshore casinos though, and it's still within the realm of possibility that they create an account there and play. A lot of gambling platforms are based on Curacao nowadays, and it's really easy to bypass this self-imposed ban if they really want to get that gambling itch scratched.

It's a good move nonetheless. At least he was honest that he was too far down the rabbit hole and wouldn't want to dig an even deeper grave for himself with gambling. Props to him cutting off his ties with gambling and living a completely clean life without degeneracy.

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December 11, 2023, 07:29:19 PM
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The story is very fascinating because it must have taken a lot of courage and deep thinking to arrive at such a decision and even enact it.
I would call him a hero because he did something early to prevent or control his finance from being invested in the wrong hobby.
Still, this does not stop him from gambling online unless he banned himself there too, which is practically impossible.

Furthermore, there are other habits far worse than a gambling addiction and that is what the person in the story should be worried about.

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