Crypto sportsbook provider Betby is big scam?!

[swenzo]

Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum and I think it is very important that we have this topic on this section. Lot of betting sintes like BC.game, Rollbit.com, Betfury.com, Coins.game, and bunch of others use same sportsbook provider - Betby.

I don't know if you noticed this earlier in the Scam Accusations section, but there are too many accusations against casinos for voided winning sports bets after the match is over and the outcome is known. In the last month or two I have read dozens of such accusations. In the end, the casinos washed away the blame from themselves, and replied that the bet was canceled by the sportsbook provider. The reason? The reason is the wrong odds. Which is absolutely false, and absolutely very easy to check that this was not the reason in almost any case.

Unfortunately, I am opening this topic after the same situation happened to me today on the Coins.game website. Below is a screenshot of a voided bet after the match was over and the outcome was known.

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It's a bit unbelievable to me and I refuse that someone is doing this in 2023, literally giving themselves the right to cancel every winning bet, which of course they wouldn't do if the bet was losing. After this, I don't see the point of betting on sites with this provider, I don't see how you can make any profit if they have the right to cancel every winning bet.

My strategy in sports betting is to find value bets, which was the case with that bet today that was voided after the match ended and my team won 1-0. I placed it at odds of 1.83, the odds before the kick-off were 1.40. An obvious value that the aforementioned provider obviously didn't like. Or do you have a better explanation?

I'm interested in your opinion on all this? It is quite easy to find other cases in Scam Accusations where people have had their bets voided after the outcome of the match was known and with much higher stakes, I remember one user had an NFL bet.

Once again, in my opinion this is really creepy stuff, completely unacceptable when it comes to sports betting and casinos in general. After what happened to me today, I am sure that I will not open an account with this bookie who use this provider anywhere else. Please, don't get me wrong, by opening this topic, my goal is not to get a bad reputation for anyone, but only to exchange opinions and experiences.

[Wapfika]

My strategy in sports betting is to find value bets, which was the case with that bet today that was voided after the match ended and my team won 1-0. I placed it at odds of 1.83, the odds before the kick-off were 1.40. An obvious value that the aforementioned provider obviously didn't like. Or do you have a better explanation?

This sum up your concern. No bookmaker will allow a gambler that will bet using mathematical advantage against them. They are not here as source of constant profit but rather to provide entertainment through betting because they are business. They want players that playing a regular bets compared to those who’s betting using their lapses as an advantage to gain profit.

They are not scam but rather they have a ToS that is designed to get an advantage over players to avoid being a source of cash since there’s really a way to get a guaranteed profit on sportsbook using arbitrage and other form of +EV bets.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

My strategy in sports betting is to find value bets, which was the case with that bet today that was voided after the match ended and my team won 1-0. I placed it at odds of 1.83, the odds before the kick-off were 1.40. An obvious value that the aforementioned provider obviously didn't like. Or do you have a better explanation?

This sum up your concern. No bookmaker will allow a gambler that will bet using mathematical advantage against them. They are not here as source of constant profit but rather to provide entertainment through betting because they are business. They want players that playing a regular bets compared to those who’s betting using their lapses as an advantage to gain profit.

They are not scam but rather they have a ToS that is designed to get an advantage over players to avoid being a source of cash since there’s really a way to get a guaranteed profit on sportsbook using arbitrage and other form of +EV bets.

I honestly used to think that sports betting is the only, or one of the only games in gambling as a whole, that can't be manipulated by the casino or game providers, but I am indirectly being forced right now to believe otherwise, If every thing you said here happens to the true.

Why should a game provider void a game after the match have been played, and its ended with the result of the match already known by all?, Stake is one of my favorite casino, it's on stake I do all my sports betting, I do not know what or which sport book provider they are using, but for the times I've noticed that my sports bets get voided, it's alway either before the match starts, or while the match is ongoing., I've never had the experience of having my winning bet voided at the end of the match, doing such is manipulative.

[cabron]

I experience the same issue with other casinos that you didn't mention. I didn't mind actually since I was betting more than a dozen matches with small amounts and then betting on the game as they are live. The odds constantly changed that sometimes I kept pushing the button just to go through and then later they voided my bet. It could have been a win but can't complain.

I'm not aware what their terms with the sportsbook providers but despite them owning the casino, they are not in control of it especially when it comes to the odds that changes every second.

[LEVSKI7]

The regulator is to blame for allowing unfair and fraudulent rules.it can be seen from the legal disputes that these rules fall away and in the end nothing is left of them, only a blank sheet.I see now lawyers from various countries are gearing up for a fight with the main culprit - the regulator. these regulators do not follow the law and support the gambling mafia.but this is the way. a winning case against the regulator will lead to a change in the conditions which are equal

[swenzo]

My strategy in sports betting is to find value bets, which was the case with that bet today that was voided after the match ended and my team won 1-0. I placed it at odds of 1.83, the odds before the kick-off were 1.40. An obvious value that the aforementioned provider obviously didn't like. Or do you have a better explanation?

This sum up your concern. No bookmaker will allow a gambler that will bet using mathematical advantage against them. They are not here as source of constant profit but rather to provide entertainment through betting because they are business. They want players that playing a regular bets compared to those who’s betting using their lapses as an advantage to gain profit.

They are not scam but rather they have a ToS that is designed to get an advantage over players to avoid being a source of cash since there’s really a way to get a guaranteed profit on sportsbook using arbitrage and other form of +EV bets.

I don't blame you for reply like this, but it's obvious you are not into sports betting at all. Each bookmaker has a percentage of players who make profit. My ROI on sports betting is 20-25% long term. You cannot expect every player to gamble and lose money, to bet in the Premiership, Bundesliga and other big-market leagues where the odds are quite correct. So you had something to offer, your odds are the same as in other places, and someone had bet on that event. You accepted the bet. You guarantee that you will pay him if his bet wins. The basic postulate of sports betting.

Each value bettor relies on his deep knowledge of a certain league, where he is sure that he knows better than the trader which odds are correct. As a bookmaker, you have many different ways to stop him - you can refuse his bet, reduce his bet, limit to max. a bet of 1€ but cancelling bets after the outcome is known just because the bet is winning is at least a serious crime.

I think it is very important that other users get involved in this topic, and that they keep in mind what they can expect from this provider.

[Alphie12]

My strategy in sports betting is to find value bets, which was the case with that bet today that was voided after the match ended and my team won 1-0. I placed it at odds of 1.83, the odds before the kick-off were 1.40. An obvious value that the aforementioned provider obviously didn't like. Or do you have a better explanation?

This sum up your concern. No bookmaker will allow a gambler that will bet using mathematical advantage against them. They are not here as source of constant profit but rather to provide entertainment through betting because they are business. They want players that playing a regular bets compared to those who’s betting using their lapses as an advantage to gain profit.

They are not scam but rather they have a ToS that is designed to get an advantage over players to avoid being a source of cash since there’s really a way to get a guaranteed profit on sportsbook using arbitrage and other form of +EV bets.

I don't blame you for reply like this, but it's obvious you are not into sports betting at all. Each bookmaker has a percentage of players who make profit. My ROI on sports betting is 20-25% long term. You cannot expect every player to gamble and lose money, to bet in the Premiership, Bundesliga and other big-market leagues where the odds are quite correct. So you had something to offer, your odds are the same as in other places, and someone had bet on that event. You accepted the bet. You guarantee that you will pay him if his bet wins. The basic postulate of sports betting.

Each value bettor relies on his deep knowledge of a certain league, where he is sure that he knows better than the trader which odds are correct. As a bookmaker, you have many different ways to stop him - you can refuse his bet, reduce his bet, limit to max. a bet of 1€ but cancelling bets after the outcome is known just because the bet is winning is at least a serious crime.

I think it is very important that other users get involved in this topic, and that they keep in mind what they can expect from this provider.

No one makes 20-25% long term. No one even makes 5%.

[MainIbem]

Do you actually have it in mind that this sites doesn't want you to win rather their wishes is for their bettors to keep losing that they will keep enriching themselves. Between I have witnessed this in my few games and it was said void I keeps wondering what could be the problem at some point I wanted to raise a complaint but since it was listed here and I don't want to advertise any other site that doesn't promote here. There is a techniques I discovered recently whenever you are placing a game if is a single bet and you intend placing the bet with max of 100$ split it into 3 part and bet it with different entries I believe they won't manipulate their entire 3 method you selected for game.

[swenzo]

My strategy in sports betting is to find value bets, which was the case with that bet today that was voided after the match ended and my team won 1-0. I placed it at odds of 1.83, the odds before the kick-off were 1.40. An obvious value that the aforementioned provider obviously didn't like. Or do you have a better explanation?

This sum up your concern. No bookmaker will allow a gambler that will bet using mathematical advantage against them. They are not here as source of constant profit but rather to provide entertainment through betting because they are business. They want players that playing a regular bets compared to those who’s betting using their lapses as an advantage to gain profit.

They are not scam but rather they have a ToS that is designed to get an advantage over players to avoid being a source of cash since there’s really a way to get a guaranteed profit on sportsbook using arbitrage and other form of +EV bets.

I don't blame you for reply like this, but it's obvious you are not into sports betting at all. Each bookmaker has a percentage of players who make profit. My ROI on sports betting is 20-25% long term. You cannot expect every player to gamble and lose money, to bet in the Premiership, Bundesliga and other big-market leagues where the odds are quite correct. So you had something to offer, your odds are the same as in other places, and someone had bet on that event. You accepted the bet. You guarantee that you will pay him if his bet wins. The basic postulate of sports betting.

Each value bettor relies on his deep knowledge of a certain league, where he is sure that he knows better than the trader which odds are correct. As a bookmaker, you have many different ways to stop him - you can refuse his bet, reduce his bet, limit to max. a bet of 1€ but cancelling bets after the outcome is known just because the bet is winning is at least a serious crime.

I think it is very important that other users get involved in this topic, and that they keep in mind what they can expect from this provider.

No one makes 20-25% long term. No one even makes 5%.

Bitcoin is also going to 0?

[wallet4bitcoin]

Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum and I think it is very important that we have this topic on this section. Lot of betting sintes like BC.game, Rollbit.com, Betfury.com, Coins.game, and bunch of others use same sportsbook provider - Betby.

I don't know if you noticed this earlier in the Scam Accusations section, but there are too many accusations against casinos for voided winning sports bets after the match is over and the outcome is known. In the last month or two I have read dozens of such accusations. In the end, the casinos washed away the blame from themselves, and replied that the bet was canceled by the sportsbook provider. The reason? The reason is the wrong odds. Which is absolutely false, and absolutely very easy to check that this was not the reason in almost any case.

Unfortunately, I am opening this topic after the same situation happened to me today on the Coins.game website. Below is a screenshot of a voided bet after the match was over and the outcome was known.

Screenshot
Screenshot2

It's a bit unbelievable to me and I refuse that someone is doing this in 2023, literally giving themselves the right to cancel every winning bet, which of course they wouldn't do if the bet was losing. After this, I don't see the point of betting on sites with this provider, I don't see how you can make any profit if they have the right to cancel every winning bet.

My strategy in sports betting is to find value bets, which was the case with that bet today that was voided after the match ended and my team won 1-0. I placed it at odds of 1.83, the odds before the kick-off were 1.40. An obvious value that the aforementioned provider obviously didn't like. Or do you have a better explanation?

I'm interested in your opinion on all this? It is quite easy to find other cases in Scam Accusations where people have had their bets voided after the outcome of the match was known and with much higher stakes, I remember one user had an NFL bet.

Once again, in my opinion this is really creepy stuff, completely unacceptable when it comes to sports betting and casinos in general. After what happened to me today, I am sure that I will not open an account with this bookie who use this provider anywhere else. Please, don't get me wrong, by opening this topic, my goal is not to get a bad reputation for anyone, but only to exchange opinions and experiences.

There has been reported cases of bets being voided and reasons not stated in some cases, its just a few that tags their sportsbook update as the cause.

I think this has got to stop as it dampens the motivation amongst gamblers within the space. I mean, most of these games aren't virtual games whose outcome is determined by algorithm but real games, how then do you go around and void the game because its gone in favor of the gambler.

[bitbollo]

general rule without going too much into the specific case:
if I don't trust a site (for any reason, even if it's not rational), it's a good idea to avoid it.

if you have a scam problem, try to expose the problem and seek support from the community, and try through government arbitrations or players' associations to highlight the problem you have had

[Fixelifix]

They should have voided your over 2.5 bet also, because the odds dropped to 1.25 before kick off...

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

My strategy in sports betting is to find value bets, which was the case with that bet today that was voided after the match ended and my team won 1-0. I placed it at odds of 1.83, the odds before the kick-off were 1.40. An obvious value that the aforementioned provider obviously didn't like. Or do you have a better explanation?

This sum up your concern. No bookmaker will allow a gambler that will bet using mathematical advantage against them. They are not here as source of constant profit but rather to provide entertainment through betting because they are business. They want players that playing a regular bets compared to those who’s betting using their lapses as an advantage to gain profit.

They are not scam but rather they have a ToS that is designed to get an advantage over players to avoid being a source of cash since there’s really a way to get a guaranteed profit on sportsbook using arbitrage and other form of +EV bets.

You're right as well, I've also seem so many gamblers already complaining about these sportbook providers that some were being manipulated, but I used to tell this one thing to some of them always found complaining about them that it's not about using a particular gambling platform that makes a gambler encounter a trusted sportbook, you will also have the both chances of loosing and winning if you're making use of others, let's leave the conditions and embrace the target which is fun.

[Mahdirakib]

My strategy in sports betting is to find value bets, which was the case with that bet today that was voided after the match ended and my team won 1-0.

I can understand your disappointment. Value betting isn't illegal, but the odds provider judge it in a negative way if any user keeps making profits by using this strategy. Is 'value betting' mentioned in the reason of your cancelled bet? Why don't you take necessary steps to get your winnings if you think that it was unfair? Anyway, I just checked the issue of a different user on a different betting site where the odds provider is same, it is clear that Betby doesn't like value betting.

Our sportsbook provider (Betby) contacted us on the 21st of March, alerting us to the fact that your account was conducting fraudulent bets on our sportsbook. After confirming with them via Skype, we were told you have been placing value bets + betting on low-cat events, and your account had been flagged elsewhere too.

[swenzo]

They should have voided your over 2.5 bet also, because the odds dropped to 1.25 before kick off...

Exactly. That's exactly what it's all about. They will cancel your winning bet every time, but never your losing one, even it's a 5$ bet. They just don't care.

My strategy in sports betting is to find value bets, which was the case with that bet today that was voided after the match ended and my team won 1-0.

I can understand your disappointment. Value betting isn't illegal, but the odds provider judge it in a negative way if any user keeps making profits by using this strategy. Is 'value betting' mentioned in the reason of your cancelled bet? Why don't you take necessary steps to get your winnings if you think that it was unfair? Anyway, I just checked the issue of a different user on a different betting site where the odds provider is same, it is clear that Betby doesn't like value betting.

Our sportsbook provider (Betby) contacted us on the 21st of March, alerting us to the fact that your account was conducting fraudulent bets on our sportsbook. After confirming with them via Skype, we were told you have been placing value bets + betting on low-cat events, and your account had been flagged elsewhere too.

Look at it this way. As a sportsbook provider, you have your own risks. Just like any other job. As I said above in the previous post, you will always have some players who will take your money. In the case of sports betting, these are value-bet players, for example. Some are successful, some less successful. You have different ways to fight them, one of those ways is not to accept his bet. Simple. No one is forcing you to accept his bet.

But if you accepted a bet, it carries its own risks for you. The bet can be a winner, right? But to equate fraudulent betting with value betting is ridiculous to say the least. Then the best thing for you is to write a rule and allow only losing bets on your platform. If he wins by any chance? Cancel it. That way, you have absolutely no risk as a sportsbook provider. All customers just lose. Funny, isn't it?

Of course, something like this is unimaginable at regular, land-based betting shops. You can't label someone as a fraud just because he placed a value bet. It's just fascinating to me how they, Betby, don't see a problem with that.

If you don't want to your customers place bets on certain competitions, say low-market competitions. Then why do you offer it? Why don't you just leave the Premier League, NBA, Bundesliga, NFL, Ligue 1 and all those big-market competitions. You are the safest there, no one will placed value bets there. And in case someone wins a large amount there, you can always cancel his bet, just say that the odds were wrong, even though it is obvious and easy to check that they were not.

The most fascinating thing to me is that there are users on this forum who know a little about sports betting and see nothing wrong with this. I guess the whole point of sports betting is that someone can win some money. If he spotted a value bet in any competition, placed a bet before some important news from that team, he is guilty? Welcome to crypto-sports betting 2024. Sit back and enjoy.

[LEVSKI7]

In the Dominican Republic where there are hundreds of Sportsbooks if you have a ticket from a licensed book it could say Lebron James over 1 Pt. They have to pay it. If not you take the ticket to the Hacienda in SD and the book is notified to pay or they lose their license and will be shut down. In short if they put up a line and take the bet they MUST PAY.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/massachusetts-sports-betting-forum/3733587-massachusetts-gaming-commission-rule-draftkings-can-void-178-bets.html?slf=68

[swenzo]

@LEVSKI7 Of course, it all depends on what the regulation is. In fact, I don't find it so controversial to cancel a bet where there is an obvious error in the odds. Of course, it should be clear what the error is in the odds. It is not a error if you offer 1.83 and other places offer 5-10% less/more. We are talking about obvious mistakes, where they odds are reversed in relation to the teams and the like.

For example, in Italy, sports-betting regulation is at a fairly high level, and the rule is that all bets placed must be paid. There have been cases where bettors placed good amounts for obvious mistakes, for example odds were mistakenly switched in live. Instead of 1.20 on home they offered that on away win, and people played 5.00 on home win. There were situations when people placed bets in a match where a goal had already been scored, but the scout did not made an input of goal at the match or there was some technical error. So, we are talking about situations where people placed on the wrong odds 20.00-30.00. And all bets stand. Rules are rules.

But these guys from Betby void a good majority of winning bets, and it's not about the odds being wrong. It's just because you won. That's the problem, they will cancel whatever they want. So, they have their own interpretation of what value-bets and the like are, and accordingly they have given themselves the right to cancel everything that suits them - even though the match is already over and the result is known. So, there is no point in posting Scam Accusations against the casino anymore, when it is mostly about a canceled bet by Betby. And quite a large number of casinos use their feed. I really have no words to describe this crime these people are doing, I doubt that the bookies in Runda, Zimambwe and Burundi are doing something like that, with all due respect.

[Fixelifix]

They cheat in-play.
When you bet on a tennismatch or tabletennis, they only accept if the odds goes in their favour...

Bet at server *15-15

Next point *30-15 REJECT
*15-30 ACCEPT + same odds as 15-15...

This is very annoying when you bet when the point is about to be played. It takes like 10-15 secs for them to accept your bet...