Second chances

[LoyceV]

Is it Ok for DT members to interfere with moderation rules/duties?
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And this is why nobody will ever take anything you post seriously. There's no point even responding to your Godwin.

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[PowerGlove]

Is it Ok for DT members to interfere with moderation rules/duties?
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Hitler used to kill/burn disabled children

And this is why nobody will ever take anything you post seriously. There's no point even responding to your Godwin.

If the standard that I use to gauge posts were to become "the entire thing has to make sense, otherwise it's worthless", then I might not merit a long post ever again.

I tend to leave merit for one (or more) of the following reasons: sometimes it's to reward effort/work, sometimes it's because I agree with a point well-made, sometimes it's because I disagree with what I still consider to be a valuable perspective, sometimes it's to "wink" at someone based on a previous exchange or PM, sometimes it's because something they said made me laugh or smile or learn something new, and sometimes it's just to offer encouragement...

When I first joined Bitcointalk, I was kind of on-board with the whole "the forum never forgets" attitude that a lot of members here seem to enjoy. But, the more time I invest in Bitcointalk, the more I think that we could probably do a lot better as a community if we were kinder to each other and not such hard-asses about certain things.

Honestly, I'd probably feel pretty safe doing a small to medium-sized trade with digaran, so his received-feedback seems a bit over-the-top to me, like he's had a microscope put on him and had all his mistakes blown out of proportion and then hung around his neck for all to see. He does post a lot of things that I don't agree with or that leave me scratching my head, but there is good stuff sometimes buried in digaran's posts, and some part of me wonders how much better his posts might skew if he felt less attacked/ostracized.

I think I started to think this way when naim027 got unbanned and then almost immediately got tagged into oblivion. I mean, I did tag him too, so I get why he was painted red, but I also have to wonder how it might have gone if the community had offered him a clean slate and a road to redemption, instead of just collectively hissing at him for lying.

I don't know, I'm just sharing some thoughts I've had. (Maybe I'll look back on them one day and consider them naive.)

[bananaunana]

We can just abolish any so-called "ban evading" rule because it's useless in any case.

A spammer or scammer will not care for it but members trying to improve after getting banned, honest from a new account will be targeted.
Plagiarism should simply result in a ban - no discussion. Plagiarism is serious violation.
Accounts engaging in plagiarism need to be trashed.

But after plagiarizer accounts are trashed, a new chance should be given by starting a new account.

We do not nee any strange so-called "ban evading" rule.

[LoyceV]

Honestly, I'd probably feel pretty safe doing a small to medium-sized trade with digaran, so his received-feedback seems a bit over-the-top to me, like he's had a microscope put on him and had all his mistakes blown out of proportion and then hung around his neck for all to see. He does post a lot of things that I don't agree with or that leave me scratching my head, but there is good stuff sometimes buried in digaran's posts, and some part of me wonders how much better his posts might skew if he felt less attacked/ostracized.

I agree, that's why I once in a while read some of his posts, even though I have him on ignore. He could be a good forum member, but he seems to prefer trolling.

We do not nee any strange so-called "ban evading" rule.

Account farmers would love it if only one of their accounts gets banned after breaking the rules.

[JollyGood]

It is generous there is no fixed period in the second chance offer, maybe it should remain open rather be just a seasonal offer. The negative side to the offer could be that some members operating accounts with nefarious intentions will be emboldened in the knowledge there is a small window of opportunity (or hope) to get the account unbanned in the event it gets banned.

How many have actually taken advantage of the opportunity since your previous post of ~17 requests by email and three unbanned accounts?

There is no end period set as of yet.

So far we've received ~17 requests by email. I've been waiting a bit to get a baseline - to avoid the risk of being too strict/lenient. Whatever the case may be, it's almost impossible to please everyone at the same time and would like to remind everyone that it's easier to ban than to unban.

Here are the unbanned users as of yet:

• kokoska
• Eugenar
• Merit.s

[LoyceV]

Here are the unbanned users as of yet:

• kokoska
• Eugenar
• Merit.s

Only one of them created one post since the unban. If they only become active once their signature ban expires, does that mean the "second chances" failed?

[criptoevangelista]

Here are the unbanned users as of yet:

• kokoska
• Eugenar
• Merit.s

Only one of them created one post since the unban. If they only become active once their signature ban expires, does that mean the "second chances" failed?

Maybe not, without worrying about reaching the campaign goals they will probably interact a little less than normal, or they might still be on vacation at the end of the year (I really wanted a 30 day vacation at least lol)

[FatFork]

We can just abolish any so-called "ban evading" rule because it's useless in any case.

I disagree. I believe that those who commit plagiarism, perhaps unintentionally or unknowingly, deserve a second chance to redeem themselves. It's a mistake that can be corrected.  However, this doesn't mean that every banned account should get the same treatment.

[bananaunana]

We can just abolish any so-called "ban evading" rule because it's useless in any case.

I disagree. I believe that those who commit plagiarism, perhaps unintentionally or unknowingly, deserve a second chance to redeem themselves.

My suggestion was including a second chance: just create new account.
Of course, old account getting trashed as punishment for plagiarism needs to be accepted.

But from a new account, everyone could have a second chance.

[Sexylizzy2813]

We can just abolish any so-called "ban evading" rule because it's useless in any case.

I disagree. I believe that those who commit plagiarism, perhaps unintentionally or unknowingly, deserve a second chance to redeem themselves.

My suggestion was including a second chance: just create new account.

Some users who have their account banned for either plagiarism or by mistake or something have already created another account if you ask me but when such opportunity comes up I feel they'd be pleased to come back to get their old account back, because is not easy to get to where they are in that old account. To create a new account and getting to that rank they are in that old account is not going to be easy at all.

[nutildah]

I think I started to think this way when naim027 got unbanned and then almost immediately got tagged into oblivion. I mean, I did tag him too, so I get why he was painted red, but I also have to wonder how it might have gone if the community had offered him a clean slate and a road to redemption, instead of just collectively hissing at him for lying.

I wouldn't worry about him, he's doing quite well, back with at least 2 other accounts & one of them is on DT2 already 

I just can't prove it so I'm not gonna say who I know strongly suspect think they are.

My suggestion was including a second chance: just create new account.

Probably the main reason staff hasn't been overwhelmed with applicants... several banned accounts have since moved on to newer accounts & are probably of a higher rank than their original account.

[JollyGood]

I think I started to think this way when naim027 got unbanned and then almost immediately got tagged into oblivion. I mean, I did tag him too, so I get why he was painted red, but I also have to wonder how it might have gone if the community had offered him a clean slate and a road to redemption, instead of just collectively hissing at him for lying.

I don't know, I'm just sharing some thoughts I've had. (Maybe I'll look back on them one day and consider them naive.)

You are far too generous with your words and more kind towards the naim027 situation that he deserves because he was operating a group of accounts at the time and not all were exposed. The presumption is that he is also operating multiple accounts even today especially accounts related the local board of his country that also posts in competitions as well as WO and have similar posting patterns.

During that period these were his known farmed-accounts:

naim027
Crypt0S0ul
Dic3L0v3r
AnotherAlt
John Abraham

It was also mentioned he used Cratoon and Starbets accounts in the past as he was employed by them but seems they have been returned to the employers.

Giving naim027 a clean slate would mean giving a clean slate to all known alt-accounts too and I think consensus would be against that.

I think I started to think this way when naim027 got unbanned and then almost immediately got tagged into oblivion. I mean, I did tag him too, so I get why he was painted red, but I also have to wonder how it might have gone if the community had offered him a clean slate and a road to redemption, instead of just collectively hissing at him for lying.

I wouldn't worry about him, he's doing quite well, back with at least 2 other accounts & one of them is on DT2 already  

I just can't prove it so I'm not gonna say who I know strongly suspect think they are.

naim027 was always a compulsive liar and chief manipulator therefore I am not surprised by what you stated about him having other accounts and at least one being on DT. He will try to keep a low profile because of the accounts he lost to negative tags previously but eventually will at some stage make an error.

[DiMarxist]

I want to specifically thanks Cyrus for this chance. God bless you.

[UmerIdrees]

We do not nee any strange so-called "ban evading" rule.

Account farmers would love it if only one of their accounts gets banned after breaking the rules.

That's very true that those who are banned should not be given the second chances when it comes to palagrism or ban evasion. Of Course most to the accounts are banned on the basis of palagrism and Ban Evasion is just that that particular person/account that was banned had other accounts too and they should be banned too because the person behind them is the same who was involved in doing palagrism. If he can do palagrism from one account, he would probabaly be doing it from other accounts too.

Usually the person doing the palagrism know that he is cheating the system by copy pasting the post and avoding the effort required to do the posting. Even if there a few cases where the author wasn't aware of the consequences of the palagrism, there is no way to judge if he he didn't know about it or if he was doing it intentionally.

[Appealdataispower]

I have being notified of this thread by a friend who is in this community to come and report my account that has been ban for more than two years now, so why my account is being ban I don't know the main reason why its ban and I became confused till today, I have solicits and pleaded concerning the issue and all is being avail. @ Cyrus ...MY profile link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381987,  I would like to be members of this forum again, its because of my inactive in the forum for long time that makes me I couldn't notice when you made this thread, with my seriousness to come back to the forum I would have be among of the first people to respond in this thread, I have seen few people that's listed to the thread that has be unban, please I'm pleading to be among of the unban fellows.

Thanks I will be grateful if am free from ban, thanks once again @ Cyrus and other reputable members of the forum.

[nutildah]

I have being notified of this thread by a friend who is in this community to come and report my account that has been ban for more than two years now, so why my account is being ban I don't know the main reason why its ban and I became confused till today, I have solicits and pleaded concerning the issue and all is being avail.

Does your "friend" know that you bought your account? I remember the original owner of your account and it is not you.

[Xal0lex]

I have being notified of this thread by a friend who is in this community to come and report my account that has been ban for more than two years now, so why my account is being ban I don't know the main reason why its ban and I became confused till today, I have solicits and pleaded concerning the issue and all is being avail. @ Cyrus ...MY profile link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381987,  I would like to be members of this forum again, its because of my inactive in the forum for long time that makes me I couldn't notice when you made this thread, with my seriousness to come back to the forum I would have be among of the first people to respond in this thread, I have seen few people that's listed to the thread that has be unban, please I'm pleading to be among of the unban fellows.

Thanks I will be grateful if am free from ban, thanks once again @ Cyrus and other reputable members of the forum.

This topic deals with accounts that have been banned for plagiarism. Has your account been banned for plagiarism? After reviewing your account information I believe you were not banned for plagiarism, so your account is not eligible for consideration in this topic.

[Appealdataispower]

I have being notified of this thread by a friend who is in this community to come and report my account that has been ban for more than two years now, so why my account is being ban I don't know the main reason why its ban and I became confused till today, I have solicits and pleaded concerning the issue and all is being avail. @ Cyrus ...MY profile link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381987,  I would like to be members of this forum again, its because of my inactive in the forum for long time that makes me I couldn't notice when you made this thread, with my seriousness to come back to the forum I would have be among of the first people to respond in this thread, I have seen few people that's listed to the thread that has be unban, please I'm pleading to be among of the unban fellows.

Thanks I will be grateful if am free from ban, thanks once again @ Cyrus and other reputable members of the forum.

This topic deals with accounts that have been banned for plagiarism. Has your account been banned for plagiarism? After reviewing your account information I believe you were not banned for plagiarism, so your account is not eligible for consideration in this topic.

Can account be ban without any issues, I think it's because of plagiarism or not, I don't know why account got ban, so what's my offence and nobody have told me my offence why this account got ban since is not a plagiarism.

[dzungmobile]

This topic deals with accounts that have been banned for plagiarism. Has your account been banned for plagiarism? After reviewing your account information I believe you were not banned for plagiarism, so your account is not eligible for consideration in this topic.

The user claimed to be banned by plagiarism and spamming.

It is possibly a bought account.

Another poster said it is an alt account.

It seems mixture of information so I am unsure what is cause of the ban.

[Appealdataispower]

This topic deals with accounts that have been banned for plagiarism. Has your account been banned for plagiarism? After reviewing your account information I believe you were not banned for plagiarism, so your account is not eligible for consideration in this topic.

The user claimed to be banned by plagiarism and spamming.

It is possibly a bought account.

Another poster said it is an alt account.

It seems mixture of information so I am unsure what is cause of the ban.

That's just imagination that dataispower is connected to those numerous account, their is no legitimate proof to show that dataispower is connected, so someone who is the forum can't use his receiving wallet in the forum to buy bitcoin or neither Altcoin from another person depending the payment receiving wallet in forum, those connections is suppose to scrab out in forum, its controversial issues in the forum, because I decided to see someone who wants sell it bitcoin from any social and the person sell bitcoin from his receiving wallet which is to my receiving wallet which is also in forum, that doesn't mean that its my alt when members of forum notice. So i don't have problem with that.