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It's that time of the year again... and it's at least as good a time as any to reflect on both the good, and the bad; to think about how we can do better in the future; and also to... forgive. Regarding that last one, we've decided that for a limited time, we will be considering unbanning users previously banned for plagiarism.

This is not a blanket amnesty. We take plagiarism very seriously. Not just any banned account will be unbanned, not all sanctions will be lifted, and we'll be watching the unbanned users like hawks.

Here are the requirements:

• You must have been banned already for an extended period of time, at least 6 months.
• You must point to at least 1 really good, constructive post you've made.
• A ban on wearing a signature will be added, equal to at least 2 years minus however long you were banned.

How to apply:
If you already registered an account to post in Meta for a ban appeal then simply reply to this thread.
If you didn't register another account send an email to this address: amnesty_2023_7ecwa@bitcointalk.org

Example info to include:

We will post all of the unbanned users in this thread. Hopefully in the future we'll look back on this as proof of the value of forgiveness and second chances. (Otherwise, maybe we'll look back on this as a reason not to do it again in the future.)

Enjoy the Holidays and Happy 2024 everyone!

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Edit: We've received 17 requests by email so far.

Here are the unbanned users as of yet:

• kokoska (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1048896)
• Eugenar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=733312)
• Merit.s (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3508007)

nice.  my compliments to the person that made this plan come into being.

It looks like a good idea, I don't know if should be asking this, @Cyrus since I'm still a low ranked member,

but my question is this: "If the initial punishment for being banned was to never create a new account and to leave the forum completely, and if creating a new account is considered ban evasion, how do you plan to communicate this message to banned accounts falling into these categories?" I'm aware that some banned users try to appeal by creating new accounts, although not all of these accounts are unbanned.

What I'm wondering is if this means that banned users are still using the forum with new accounts because that seems to be the only way they can receive this message and request to have their old account unbanned.

This change gives people who committed plagiarism and got a permanent ban, a third chance, not a second chance.

Why is it a third chance?

• Second chance was introduced in 2018, 2019.
• Many people who were banned with plagiarism failed with their attempts to appeal for their ban
  
  • [BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5144410.0)

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Because they don't deserve with a second chance so their appeals were refused.

If they have alts, they can see this thread with their alts and will try to make grave jumpers from their banned accounts.

There are/were sufficient cases where the banned users either bump their appeals, send us PMs from time to time, talk off-forum to other members about their forum account, etc. There are several legit ways banned users could find out about this thread. However, I suggest people circumventing their ban through another account to try and come clean about everything.

Not really. That would imply being pardoned and repeating the offense. The possibility of appealing a ban from the "good for the forum as a whole" perspective did indeed already exist - IIRC signature bans were added in support of this back then.
This thread acknowledges the possibility of an appeal and also provides a more clear guideline, all wrapped in a Holiday spirit fashion.

You can still read the forum without an account.  Not an issue.

Creating an alt account or say new account isn’t considered ban evasion except you begin to use that created account as a regular member and you get caught. Alt accounts created after ban is just to make ban appeal and continually bump the thread outside that is ban evasion, so basically those with that alts can still read this message if they are still coming online and I think this leniency is actually meant for them not for those have left here permanently

Or who knows if this is even communicated to them via the email that sent them their ban message, as that’s the other media for communication between the user and the admin of the forum. But overall there is no need to worry about those that have left totally. This is for persistent people trying to get back there account and I think they might see the message but hopefully before this festive grace elapses

I know this gesture is made out of goodwill, and you're a better man than I for offering such reconciliation, but there's a bunch of people I hope don't read this  :D

I'm referring to all the scheming, conniving, alt-accounting, merit-groveling weasels that are anything but honest and only here to extract as much wealth from as many different sig campaigns and bounties as they can get themselves into.

I'm guessing most of those who take this offer won't last a year before they find themselves banned again -- they are cheaters at heart and can't help themselves.

Yeah so its potentially dumb of me to bump this, but not really, because I'm sure it would have been bumped anyway.

Seasons Greetings everyone! 🎄

Or maybe because it was extremely hard to get ban removed due plagiarism back in those days, even for the simplest case of one plagiarized sentence.


I think that many of those won't even get ban lifted due simple reason that they won't be able to submit one very good constructive post.

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I like the intiative and I think it should have been practiced years ago. But, better late than never.

 This act reminds me of the pardon granted by the government of my country to prisoners who do not have any hopes of their cases being heard or who have been sentenced for life to gain freedom. I just hope this pardon doesn't get misused though because where you've got the good, there's gonna be the bad but since this is a limited offer, I guess those who have had their accounts banned take this opportunity.

Happy holidays, fam.

Hope this second chance won't cause much damage on the forum. Good idea OP but I feel some don't deserve it at all because out of a 100 persons that are victims we only have 2-5 persons who can boldly say they have changed for good. Well let's see if it will help bring out the good behavior in them since we're in the festive season anything can happen for sure.

I think this post is going to help a lot of users who were banned because they were either arrogant or were not sure what they were doing. I believe that everyone deserves a second chance and here they're lucky to get that second chance. There were some users who were banned for plagiarism but a few of them were guilty for their mistake and they were begging to get unbanned to they may get another chance to use the forum.

I know that it's not an easy task to unban the users who broke the rules of the forum but I'm pretty happy to see that our administrative stuff shows empathy towards those members and I believe that such chance will help them to fix their mistakes and they will never do any kind of plagiarized posts anymore.

Ah hah hah hah hahahaha.....Merry Effin' holidays to all of the banned members who want to come back to the forum so badly that they'd be active whilst not renting out their signature space.  I suppose if someone has been banned for over 2 years, they'll go for it but I'm not sure about others.  

This is quite generous, Cyrus.  Let us hope said generosity doesn't backfire and spray shit all over this fine forum.

Yeah, you got that right.  I've seen a lot of ban appeal threads, and frankly I wouldn't give 99% of them a second chance, as those threads consist of:

1. Lies
2. Excuses
3. Begging
4. Rationalizing
5. Blaming others
6. Raging against the mods
7. Assholes who have zillions of accounts that are already banned.

I can agree if @Cyrus only give second chances for them to able post in this forum, but both of the avatar and signature are permanently banned. With a new rule, alt accounts from the permanently banned avatar and signature will be considered as ban evasion, also forbidden to post in bounty, service, games & rounds section.

Let see how long they would be active and their contribution in this forum. :D

I wonder if they will bother to come back now that mixer sigs are to be banned.

19 days left.

There are at least 8 active mixer campaigns to be taken away. So that was a good about of coin given away that no longer will be here.

I think that a ban on wearing a signature will cool down scammers, and those people who were banned for an accidental or innocent mistake will return here. There were many of them in 2019. If they are still devoted to the forum and have not created an alternative account, then surely their posts will be able to warm the heart of the admin and get a second chance.

That's true, I forgot about the Great Plagiarist Extinction of 2019. There are a handful of helpful users who got caught up in that, their forum careers extinguished by a bot. They may have only plagiarized once or twice, and hey everybody makes mistakes and has moments of weakness. But I emphasize this was only a handful of the hundreds of accounts that were banned by the Plagiabot.

Let's have a poll once the list is complete:

• Who gets banned again first?
• How many of the pardoned users get banned again in 2024?
• Who doesn't get banned again in 2024?

I don't have high hopes for most banned users. Still, some may improve and become contributing users again.

Yeah man, I haven't been paying attention to what other kinds of sig campaigns are going on, and I've got sigs and avatars on ignore so I don't see who's advertising what.  I'd imagine that when the new year rolls around there's going to be a mad scramble of members trying to get into campaigns.  That might be a good thing, as it would allow campaign managers to choose the cream of the crop instead of having to settle for mediocre posters (or worse) just to fill up the rosters.

In any case, I'm very glad Cyrus included a signature ban as a requirement for getting a second chance.  That ought to weed out quite a few members who just came here to get paid and not only didn't read the rules but broke one or more of them.  Should be interesting.

Let's see what they will do once they get unbanned. I think that most of the banned users who get unbanned will improve themselves and they will refrain from plagiarism. I'm pretty sure that some weak hand members may still use plagiarized content or maybe AI generated content but most of them will improve themselves. I think that most of the members have already got their lesson and they won't repeat the mistakes that they have done in past.

Yeah, that signature ban is more than enough to show them that even after getting unbanned their act wasn't forgotten and if they repeat that they will not only lose their second chance but they will never get any chances ever. Showing empathy towards those banned members is a good step but it's a good strategy to impose ban on signature campaign for sometime as that will always remind them that they were doing wrong by breaking the rules of the forum.

I think that in most cases people deserve a second chance, but I also think that most of those who were banned for plagiarism, and in some way were of value to the forum, have already received their second chance. If by any chance someone got lost in all this, then this is a good opportunity to show that they want a second chance, so good luck to everyone who got banned.

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I know it's OT, but what about all these members who persistently use AI for their posts and at best their posts get deleted but they don't get any sanctions? Can the forum finally equate such posts with plagiarism and send a clear message that this is not something that will be tolerated on the forum?

Username: NoorulHuda
Constructive post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg59908487#msg59908487 (urdu)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232519.msg59819871#msg59819871 (English)

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More Info:Banned since: May 04, 2022 - 587 days- (1 year 7 months 9 days)
Ban appeal thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395857.0

Other post/topics:  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391044.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391088.0

I believe that text generated through AI isn't a direct form of plagiarism but something which we can't really name anything else other than AI generated text. The text that AI generates can be wrong information which can lead to many problems and the worst thing about those AI models is that they have taken text and data from so many sources that it would be difficult to find that which source the model is using to generate data.

The AI text is highly unacceptable for the members of this forum who put a lot of effort to make posts but officially it isn't against the rules of the forum yet. I would say that AI generated text fits better into spam category and it should be considered unacceptable but the problem is that most of the AI text generating are getting improved with each new version and who knows that in coming days it would be impossible for any AI content detectors to detect that either a text is generated by AI text generator or a human.

Why?
Someone created a chat bot, that means anything the chat bot spits out is created by someone. The spammer that posts it on Bitcointalk passes it off as their own, which makes it plagiarism by definition.

Even worse: it's the laziest form of plagiarism, while it's difficult to detect. If it doesn't get punished by bans, people will stop reporting it and this entire forum will be lost. There's no limit to the amount of spam a bot can create.

That's the main problem just like you listed above, these set of persons knows why they had to do what they did before their account got banned, is like a thing of joy for them. Sometimes I ask why do we have adult with the behavior of a child? Giving that oblivious look at things they're suppose to correct when they're doing wrong, I mean is just annoying. On these issue I don't really think many would turn up, the traffic won't be that much.

Great candidate for holiday forgiveness, WO merit-whoring spammer. Unban this user and grant them 500 merits because holidays.

Shouldn't this apply to other banned users too, and not just plagiarism?

For example offordscott (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5449337.0) was banned because his account was allegedly hacked and used to post malware. His account was for purposely selling mining gear, and he had started gaining trust from the community, so I see no reason why he would start using it for posting useless malware.

I believe him. He must have been a victim of a hack. He made an appeal, but up to he hasn't even received any feedback from the mods. Why do we let such good users go?

This is a welcome development to the forum. I have had many people complain of there account being ban. And i ask, is there no other way of punishing those fellow who comited the offense of plagiarism? because I know there is always a second and third chance or even more, depending on people grace. And they told me it's not like that on this forum. So I started becoming more careful as a beginner never to piaglarize. Though the law seems to be rigid or had hartend, but I think it's the only way to reduce shitppost and piaglarism and adding more value to the forum. otherwise the forum would have been literd by junks. A lawless place don't have control and people behaves anyhow. But with this second chance given I think more people will be more serious and careful not to make mistakes. Thanks to you @cyrus for the development. I know many will be relived. It's just like bringing a dead man back to life ;D. Congratulations to ban members!! your prayers has been answered. Happy Xmas.

I think the decision to give accounts that have been banned for plagiarism a second chance is a good one - but I'm sure it will also have its consequences. Some users who truly feel guilty about unintentional plagiarism deserve forgiveness and a second chance - but I'm not entirely sure that plagiarists who did it intentionally will also be forgiven.

This announcement will be welcomed by users who feel guilty and hope for a second chance – but of course the admin will handle it on a case by case basis. The big consequences may be - admins have to work hard to filter what is forgivable and what is not.

Nice catch, but I hope you understand that you are going to have to work more replying to all the people who appeal  ;)
This is not a bad idea, but I wonder if new unban second chance is going to be applied only for plagiarism cases or for anything else,
let's say if someone was talking about ''things'' that are not allowed in forum anymore, or for posting a link?

I think you are right about this, but there are probably few exceptions from this rule.
Most genuine users banned by mistake are probably gone forever, but I could be wrong.

I can't say I really have an opinion on this.  I haven't come across someone who was banned for plagiarism but who I thought would actually contribute something worthwhile to the forum.  There was this one guy on our local board who appealed his ban, and if I remember right, he waited years before finally getting it overturned.  but as far as I know, he never came back to participate much after that anyway. So I kinda wonder how many previously-banned yet potentially valuable members this whole effort will actually bring back into the fold.  I guess we can hope for the best.

This was really the best you could find?? Good luck with that lol.


Yep, after waiting for a few years and thanks to the effort of the whole local board he was finally unbanned, but it was too little too late as after so much waiting he completely lost the will to participate while before ban he was (from what I heard from the others as it was before my time) one of the most prominent members of our local board. And honestly can't blame him, as he was banned for one copied sentence that he did when he was a Jr Member (I think), just to see few years later high ranking members plagiarizing without any consequences.

Ban appeal process already exists. Most of ban appeal threads however don't even get an acknowledgment from the admins, like "hey, we reviewed your case, you will not be unbanned because x, y, and z, have a good day", or "here's a 2 year sig ban, don't make us regret it".

This seems like one of those useless things that some (or most) governments do when they have a dysfunctional bureaucratic process for some trivial thing, and instead of fixing it they slap another layer of arbitrary randomness on top of it. Someone who tried to do it the right way gets fuck all, but someone who happens to take advantage of the new loophole may get lucky.

While I acknowledge OP's generosity in tempering justice with mercy and granting banned users another opportunity to prove their worth of getting back here, I'm also interested in seeing how the issue of accounts that got banned for evasion because they were connected/linked to accounts that got banned for plagiarism will be resolved.

I don't understand why there's so much criticism. If the administration is offering a second chance to anyone, what's wrong with that? Regardless of the ban reason, I believe giving a second chance won't harm the forum. Additionally, remember that the same admins can reapply a ban with just another click of a button.

Moreover, Cyrus has explicitly mentioned that this is not a blanket amnesty scheme.


Anyway I really appreciate and express my gratitude for giving users a second chance. It’s heartening to see the forum administration embracing the spirit of forgiveness and providing an opportunity for redemption.

To those who may criticize this decision, I’d like to pose a question: What harm is there? If users are willing to abide by the rules and requirements and contribute constructively, it could be a positive step toward fostering a more inclusive and understanding community.

Wishing everyone a joyful holiday season and a Happy 2024!

Good luck to the applicants.

Well, I agree with you on that such type of text is not going to be acceptable on this forum because if the users continue posting AI generated text then there won't be many users who would put effort themselves to create posts which will ultimately end up the new information that comes from humans not from bots who mimic other humans by getting trained on their text.

I'm not in favor of AI text and I must say that there should be strict actions against it but I believe the time isn't far when it would be difficult for us humans to know that which text is generated by AI and which one is created by humans. The AI technologies aren't at their peaks especially those LLM models but surely the research is going on them at very fast rates and we may see so many new such bots implementing on social media platforms.

We should definitely have some new rules on the forum to tackle such bots as of now because in current times it's still possible to detect AI generated content but I fear that in future we may not be able to detect the text that those bots generate. I believe that good guys will still somehow find a way to protect us from the AI text generators of the future.

Because not every banned user filed an appeal to be unbanned, this is a fantastic opportunity for those who departed with a clear conscience and those who were wrongfully banned for a single offence.

It's not a good sign when there are more banned accounts than active users.

Always will be a welcome development but those accounts that was banned are they ready to change from doing what they did before their account was banned?
This is going to be challenging and come to think of it, what if you give some a second chance and they intend on try some of those things they did before their account was banned? I'm just saying because is one thing to say "I won't do these things again" and is another to keep to it. I believe is not only about plagiarism that got some account to be banned other things are also the cause but I hope no one regret this decision.

The second chance is only for individuals who were banned for plagiarism and not for ban evasion cheaters, and anyone who plagiarised again would be banned again. This is simple.

Santa season of Mercy!

I hope you are correct; that's the way it sounded in the OP but was a bit hard to tell for sure. Because once an account is un-banned for ban evasion, what's to stop them from getting re-banned in the future when another connection is made to their old (still banned) account?

Case in point:


This user claims they were banned for plagiarism but they were clearly banned for ban evasion:

A ban is a ban brother, the offense that comes with it that's what makes it look more complicated. This is a season of love doesn't mean those who deserve the ban should just pop out of nowhere to plead and expect a free pass. This isn't just a free chance to be given to users with ban account, to me I feel an investigation or interrogation need to be applied.

They have already been adjudicated (banned), there is nothing else to investigate, and the forum is ready to clear everyone's shady past. As I stated in my previous reply here, there were several high rank good posters who were banned for some of their newbie days mistakes; these are the ones the forum is willing to call back.

There is this good user who got banned few months ago from our FPL fantasy pool; a perfect example of those I want to see return.

Most probably, this is like the most awaited pardon from the prisoners, as they have finally learned their lessons within that years that they are being convicted. Now that second chances is offered, hopefully this will encourage every member in the forum not to go on plagiarism for more effective and impressive posting, having own originality when it comes to sharing and posting of ideas is still the best and safest option. Committing to plagiarism is a big dishonesty, and we all know the forum is totally against it.

Just like you've said, hopefully this will not be misused and abused. We don't know if there's still another second chances will come in the future, or your account might be banned for the rest of your existence.

I'm all for giving banned accounts another shot.  Some folks probably get kicked off just cause they didn't fully get the rules of the place and  that doesn't make what they did okay, but Ive always thought outright banning someone for copying and pasting without citing sources once seems kinda harsh.  Maybe a warning or temporary ban would work better?

I also think giving people a second chance should come with a probation thing.  And we should look at everything they added to the forums, not just a post or two that stood out.

If they didn't care enough (or didn't know how) to file an appeal, how would this thread help? Are the admins going to e-mail every banned user? Or is this targeted only towards ban-evading users who are assumed to be following meta dramas closely enough to notice this thread?

Whatever the idea behind this thread is, I don't get why that effort shouldn't be applied to handling the actual ban appeals the way these appeals were intended to work.

This user case is complicated!

The best bet is to get the old account unbanned. But the annesty is only for plagiarism cases not ban evaders.


1. Why should they appeal for something they knew they were guilty of? The majority of the ban appeal threads were created by liars who claimed they had no idea why they were banned despite clear evidence against them.

2. The majority of ban appeal threads were hijacked by the community and turned into a spam zone - until the admin creates a separate board for ban appeals where only the victims could post and wait for a decision nothing will change.

Most of the new forums I've seen have a separate board for offenders/appeals and selected members/mods who investigate such matters.

Side note: only 1-2% of banned users truly left the forum, the rest % are still here on the forum with different identity.

Username: Nathrixxx

Constructive post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5368476.msg58312284#msg58312284

Not investigate per say but is like they need to look into their offense before allowing them to have that go ahead to apply for their account to be released, because is not everyone who deserves a second chance depending on what you did.
Like you said we do have those who got banned by some little errors they made in the past and I believe these set of people don't have any evil intention of coming back and making a huge mess in the Forum.
Some who got their account banned when they were still on the newbie rank, do you think they can still remember that they have an account that was banned?🤔

Send your request here: amnesty...@bitcointalk.org


The admin will not waste his time on random newbie accounts; the opportunity is reserved for those who have contributed in some way in the past.

Newbies have chances that are smaller than other ranks.

With newbies, you have to consider how many posts the newbie made before the ban. Because if it is a newbie with only one post, and it is a plagiarized post, it is done, no review needed.

If a newbie with some or like 30 posts or more, there is a chance as this holiday gift giving is point one constructive post and find your second chance. Perhaps among 30 or 60 posts, there is a good one.

I'll translate because you misunderstood the part of the text that Igebotz meant. You were not there at a time when a lot of accounts were banned and the plagiarism check was carried out by a machine; I doubt that by a person. At that time, texts containing several phrases were raised, which may have coincided with other phrases previously posted on the forum or somewhere on the network. Accounts of different ranks were checked, but these mistakes were made by them during the period when they did not have high ranks. And these people can return to the forum today if they still want to be here.


What kind of interrogation are we talking about if the administrator has already made his decision? ::)

I agree, if members are given a second chance there should at least be some kind sort of sanction attached to the reprieve. Even if it is the season to be Jolly it should not mean every member that has been banned will be be reprieved. The OP covers that sanction part:

You must have been banned already for an extended period of time, at least 6 months.
You must point to at least 1 really good, constructive post you've made.
A ban on wearing a signature will be added, equal to at least 2 years minus however long you were banned.

I am surprised the thread has not been flooded with applications.

I am not the least bit surprised, because those who have been banned for a long time have already come to terms with it and will certainly not even know about this opportunity. In addition, there are certain conditions under which these accounts could be returned to their owners, and the signature ban makes them quite worthless for most of them.

Reading from the beginning knowing how this forum frowns on plagiarism, I knew there would be a condition that would be like keeping those accounts on probation or something till I saw this.

Usually, people who are banned for one thing or another, but in this case, plagiarism always gets red-tagged and it's usually not just one, especially for a user who does it often, so after two years they still won't be able to join any signature campaign because most campaign managers don't add people with red trust to their campaigns. Am I wrong?

Who gives red tag for plagiarism? that offense is related to forum moderation policies alone, nobody on DT has the rights to tag people for that, if you see any, you should report it on reputation board. we can't have everyone on DT to make up their own rules on every thing, so I doubt we see such cases.

Oh! My bad, I didn't know this. I felt they had a right to give reg tags to people who plagiarize. So when you see a plagiarized post all you can do is report the person.
Thanks mate.

While this doesn't apply to DT I have still come across users who have left a neutral note in trust to the plagiarizers. I don't think anyone is going to create a topic in Reputation about this.

That's true but what I'm driving at is, those who their account was banned some years back might have opened another account and forget about the old one, do you still think they can still recall their password or username to even enroll on this second opportunity to revive their banned account?
And I'm not say the admin should start letting any newbie he come across to have a free passage, I get it. If some of those accounts have contributed in one way or the other in the past, why not give them that chance of letting them stay rather then giving them a ban?




I later got what Mr Igebotz said and I wasn't there as of then, true but I feel some of these users that got banned are still active some how with a new identity.
Well I hope when such opportunity is given, those mistakes won't occur again.




Some questions need to be asked don't you think?
Like, Why some members got banned, and you won't say is because of plagiarism alone.
And I know you have ideas of some of these reasons but I don't think approving some request from users who was banned without getting enough reason why they was banned should be tolerated, like making it look more serious.

Well, your second boss aka OP is like the new year eve's snow, he appears once a year and goes to hibernation after that, 😂 so you are gonna have to wait for the first boss to comment on that.

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But if someone is getting a second chance to be unbanned, having a neg for plagiarizing will serve no purpose.
Honestly the staff team needs to come up with strong and fair rules about trust system to get a sticky thread on rep board, and there will be no need to moderate or enforce it, there are some good DT members out there that can remind any abusers about their wrong doings.

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I have come to the conclusion that moderating a community is one of the most difficult jobs in the world, no wonder why government officials are insane, imagine moderating a country, you'd go crazy too. Lol.

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Long live Cyrus the virus. Ok I know I'm crossing the line, I  apologize for that.😘

Those are ban evaders, forum cheats, and rule violators; the instant they created a new identity to remain on the forum, they became lawbreakers, and the second chance is not for them.

I doubt any of them give a fuck about this because they are paroding with a new identity and possibly doing much better than before.

You know very well that the trust system on the forum is not the competence of moderators. That is, the trust system is not moderated. DT members themselves must ensure that the trust system is used correctly. There is a topic where the basic provisions for using the trust system are described. Therefore, using the trust system for entries regarding forum rules, particularly plagiarism is wrong.

I think those set of people you mentioned are the sickness of the Forum like a virus making the Forum look bad and if they ain't taken care of, this place would have been a mess. Seriously those set of people don't need a second chance, they only need to stay off the Forum.
Of course they would definitely give a fuck, is like letting the prisoner out from them cells. If you can fish them out, I mean the bad ones I think they won't have the second chance to come do crazy things. If they're given that opportunity to come back with the old account I think they might start up something different in a negative way.

I understand, however those that have been banned and have come to terms with it may have created at least one other account. In the event they are the average member they may have come across the second chance thread and then can contemplate their next move.

If it happens to be an account-farmer, they probably would have flooded the thread with as many banned accounts as possible in the hope at least one would be saved and with that (even with the conditions of being unbanned) the hope of joining a signature campaign in the future. The fact it did not happen seems strange.

I don't know if this kind of thing would be worth it, people don't change. If you used plagiarism, it is because you only have a financial interest due to campaign post goals.

Not necessarily. There forum is full of people from all sorts of backgrounds and all have their own reasons for posting here. Some are copying text from external sources and pasting it without claiming to be the author and it is about news and current affairs. Without a shadow of doubt there are highly contentious and controversial members that are posting copied text for nefarious purposes but personally I would not tarnish all of them with the same brush.

The fact is that the absolute majority of users (with a few exceptions) engage in plagiarism at the very beginning of their journey on the forum, having a rank with which they are not accepted into signature campaigns. Therefore, it is wrong to talk about financial interest.  Secondly, very few people who come to the forum, hurry to familiarize themselves with the rules of the forum, so they make mistakes because of the banal ignorance of the rules of the forum. And people tend to change, and there are examples of this on the forum.

Are you sure about this? It certainly wasn't my experience for the first 4 years I was on the forum. Sure, most people registered after 2017, and to join a campaign of some sort, but a good chunk of them probably never even wrote posts outside of bounty applications/reports.


They change because its in their financial interest to change. I'm sure its quite annoying to have an account banned for plagiarism and then have to start all over again, which I'm guessing most of them do, but that's how the lesson of not to plagiarize becomes ingrained... not because they are committed to becoming a better person.

As we're seeing now with ChatGPT, the same people who would have plagiarized before are now using AI to do their work for them, which is just a more sophisticated form of plagiarism.

I understand... But the type of people I meant are those who do this knowing it is wrong. We can consider two distinct types of users, those who have no idea how to use a forum and those who try to circumvent the rules with some type of interest.

For the first group, I think a second chance is fair, for the second, perhaps a small number of users really deserve to come back, a lot of behavior analysis is needed.

But everything is valid, when you think about it, if it's not something very serious, like some conduct that directly harms other users, everyone deserves a chance to show that they can and want to change.

You mean those who also know the consequences? No, they won't, being accepted into the sigcamp is a rare opportunity. In most ban cases of higher ranks, they don't do outright plagiarism, but instead use text spinners or other robotic tools. Other cases, if someone has dug your post history in depth and found your past mistakes before learning the forum rules.

I do not claim to be true. When I said so, I meant my own observations, which are based on information from my topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4588431.0), where I keep records of banned users in the Russian section and on the basis of reports in the topic Report plagiarism... (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.0). As well as based on information from the moderator section.

Okay... This is exactly what came into my mind when I first read the update... These guys ain't even planning on relinquishing, talkmore of creating a pathway for them pegans? They be like - this is made easy and I think it's time to pull through _{security cameras ain't watching no more}... Shitt!!  Well, I'm not totally discouraged since the rules gotta stuck them up!!... What's the whole purpose of farming several accounts? Signatures... What's the toughest conditions ? Not joining a signature for about 2years.lol..

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No. It's only a perma-ban that serves a scammer outrightly. For the rest of the people you describe, they'll have a chance.
it'll happen in a way that META would become fully of shitty, spammed and unmatchable requests...This is what I fear for.  I knew JollyGOOD wouldn't just agree to something bad.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

We have had 70+ posts in the thread and are on to page 4 yet there have been just two appeals that I can find. True to form, the NoorulHuda account-farmer was never going to miss the opportunity to try get at least one of the banned accounts reprieved. Another account (Nathrixxx) has asked for a reprieve too.

Here are their second chance appeals, in my opinion it is pointless restoring their accounts even with conditions/restrictions attached:

It's possible that the announcement hasn't reached the banned accounts yet, or they've already moved on to their alts and are doing well there. They may want to avoid coming into the spotlight again to prevent potential exposure of their other accounts, much like the case of naim027 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5416864.0), where his unban news exposed him.

However, I'm still in favor of giving a second chance. Who knows, after getting another chance, they might become good members.

Moreover, most banned accounts are usually "new members" who may not be aware of the rules or have taken them lightly. They often realize their mistakes only after being banned. Therefore, giving them a second chance could lead to them being more careful and playing by the rules.

It is possible that users are avoiding getting trolled  by some of the attackers on this thread, so they selected the email route, which is less troll-prone and easier for them. I don't think anyone will use this thread honestly; it's already turning into a spambot, and so many applications will be buried in no time. .

Wow what a great and merciful chance you have given to them to enjoy their holiday I believe this won't be forgotten so soon in the history of the forum.
I want to say that you should careful monitor alt, I believe those with alt don't mind following up to get their ban account unbanned since you have given the privileged to them.

Merry Christmas to all enjoy your holiday
Stay safe!

It was a big worry that if the forum started to allow banned members to request and possibly receive an un-ban, that it would then set banned members in to a frenzy and overwhelm the Mods. Theymos, after Hilarious’s thread to discuss changing the rules (which was in large part was in favor for doing so) changed the rules and it didn’t become an overwhelming issue like some thought it would.  Most banned members simply move on or create ban evading new accounts. Didn’t think this would be a ton different, but this thread goes to show the Mods here aren’t evil and non-caring and whatever else people will say towards them when irrationally upset.

Appreciate you and this thread Cyrus!! Hopefully it’ll help a few members whom made dumb mistakes get a second chance.

A good second chance for many forum users and with the most common rule violation leads to their bans, plagiarism, I hope if they get second chances, they will not do it again.

[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5133485.0).
[GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5037514.0)

With growth of ChatGPT, they must not use ChatGPT-generated content too.

AI Spam Report Reference Thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0)

'Tis the season to be Jolly (good) therefore it some of us do appreciate this thread but the goodwill shown by Cyrus seems to only have been grabbed by two members and that is something I find extremely peculiar. If there are members that made genuine mistake that resulted in bans, this is their chance to try get a reprieve but the take-up is very low and one of those (NoorulHuda) seems to be an account-farmer.

This is a very high level of kind gesture displayed as an admin. I am sure the lucky ones who get unbanned will make good use of this second chance and avoid plagiarism as much as the can.

Citing only but one constructive post made by the user is really fair I must say. At least it will show the user deserves the second chance and that they can still do more constructive posts when the return fully to the form

There were appeals people made last year. And I don't know why they have not dropped their application or probably they have missed out the thread.
Appeal apologies for dataispower ban (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5437105.0)
Ban Appeal For DiMarxist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5454950.0) I made a search from page one to page thirteen and I only saw these two appeals. I think they can also be considered if they have submitted the application. And the instruction is if you have not appealed then use the amnesty email to submit your application and those who have appeal can also do that. And by now they many have done that. I also appreciate Cyrus kind gesture to help them. When finally they are unbanned, they should go and sin no more.

This is the kind of initiative I would have not expected to see from the administration, so congratulations to all the users who will have a chance to get their cases reviewed and may become part of the community again.
Though, there has been a handful of users whom I am not sure whether they are completely deserving of another chance, to my mind comes to what happened to naim027, for example. I believe he had already been given several chances and yet, he decided to avoid his ban and use several alternative accounts to post around here, I never knew whether he was banned again after people discovered what he had done, but anyways.

I am also assuming that, even though some user could be allowed to come back and participate here again, does not necessarily mean others are forced to change their negative feedback on that user, right?
For example, if someone was banned around a year ago because they committed plagiarism and because of this thread that person is forgiven and allowed to post again, those who red-tagged them are supposed to feel compelled to remove such negative feedback or that would be independent of the decision of the administration and only come down to the personal point of view of each user?

I don't think the tags would be removed after they have been pardoned for their offense. But I feel those tags should also be removed from the account (if there's any that comes with the banned account) like making it look like a brand new account. Well the way I see it, is like those who issued the tags should also be part of this project that's if the account that comes with a tag needs there presence.

Plagiarism is a forum moderation concern, trust feedback left for such cases is interfering with moderation's policy, if someone on DT has tagged people for that, well, it's better to keep the tag on so that admin could blacklist them from DT election, or they could simply remove the tag. It's their choice.

I would suppose members that have been banned and not returned to the forum will be unaware of the amnesty but alt-accounts and account farmer would have been expected to take advantage.

As we approach one week before the festive holidays, there are still only two members that have asked for a reprieve. One is a lesser known member Nathrixxx and one is account farmer NoorulHuda: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477510.msg63334400#msg63334400

An offence is an offence, such people should even be happy that they are back online, though some would by now have their alts actively working, but regardless, it is a welcome development for them to be able to have access to the forum again. Many had built strong reputations but needed to start from scratch, I believe this is very welcome news for them. Such are those who were in dire need of this reactivation, which is evident by the way they often pleaded to restore it. And for the accounts to now be fully restored, their offence shouldn't go on totally unnoticed unless they are not guilty of it. People can continue to read their profile and get to see the offences committed so that it will discourage others from committing such.

I only feel for those new people who were banned for plagiarism on a mistake note, though the offence can't cause any more issues if the person indeed improves. Finally, even in campaigns, they get to check mostly your current status months and not your past months' status, and if the person could improve truly, less than 6 months is enough to prove and justify that. So, let the accounts speak for themselves.

this is a very good initiative and I'm grateful some people whose account where banned could get their account back and learn from their mistake.

Although I know that it would be difficult for some persons to get access to this information since they might have left the forum for a while now.

I still wish then the best of luck.

Username : Kodec5

Constructive post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465506.msg62788703#msg62788703
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462777.msg62674617#msg62674617

Quite alright but at the same time some may not even see it as an opportunity for their send account to come back to life, while some might see it as another chance of getting a second account to flex the Forum even more.
On the other hand what you said is true true, their offense should be seen as a scar not to only other members but to the owners too (let me say in a case of taking loan and not paying) so that if should incase they think of trying what got the account to be banned they'll have a rethink, you know we have people who find it difficult to change.
The account can be saying something different while the users might be thinking of something different too, while I said that is because some account might be banned by mistake and the user couldn't think of a way to undo what he has done but to say, "it's a mistake they'll understand" but it doesn't work that way.

I could be wrong but to my knowledge there are a total of now just three requests for bans to be removed. If the account has little to no rank, maybe the account farmers are now simply focusing on other things otherwise the requests would have been much higher. What is the deadline for this thread to be closed or to stop accepting second chance requests?

There is no end period set as of yet.

So far we've received ~17 requests by email. I've been waiting a bit to get a baseline - to avoid the risk of being too strict/lenient. Whatever the case may be, it's almost impossible to please everyone at the same time and would like to remind everyone that it's easier to ban than to unban.

Correct link: kokoska (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1048896) :)

Fixed, thank you LoyceV!

Username: gregofdoom


Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1448069.msg28008592#msg28008592

Post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2431344.msg24918808#msg24918808

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I've already apologized many times for my mistake and now I'm doing it again, I'm sorry.

I have to say 17 is more like the number I would have expected but there are three banned members asking for a reprieve in the thread. I wonder why the applicants decided to make contact with admin asking for a second chance via email. Could it be because they did not want their current accounts to be associated with the banned account or is there something else behind it?

Lol,,, you really got me laughing my heart out with this.
Well, probably yeah they wouldn’t get the chance except for a few. Bought accounts are those I’m referring to in this regard as previous owners might be grounded enough to have laid some good foundation that has been parasitized on by current users that endured the ban. A time frame for valid, constructive post would help.
Still, I wish the means to application is one that requires you to get really creative. This will be some means to sieve them shaft from the straw as, they would have a hard time making sense of anything.

Meanwhile, it’s still a sensible thing to do for some cut backs to give users a means to redemption and pride in their attached users. Hope this doesn’t become some annual event though else, there would be schemers along the way.

You only fixed one post, there are two posts to fix.

This post was fixed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477510.msg63404363#msg63404363) but OP was not fixed.

I don’t think admin plans on making this a onetime thing. I believe this is going to be an annual event, so far only 3 out of 17 accounts have been unbanned which tells me the applications are critically reviewed and evaluated before approval. To be honest, I expected more applications because there were a lot of plagiarist caught last year, I think most of the accounts were not up to full member rank, that’s probably why they are not bothered about getting the account back.

Perhaps they do not have alt accounts but read the forum as guests?  :)

But to be serious, it is logical that they do not want to expose their current account, given that they are most likely ban evading all this time.

Yes it is logical, I was just trying to ascertain the mood of those participating in the thread to see if something wonderful theory was going to be put out there ;D

But what sort of message will the forum admins be sending if members that are using an alt-account will now get at least one of their accounts unbanned because that will then give them access to at least two accounts.

At the end of the process, if only three accounts from 17 applicants have been given a reprieve then that is a very good (low) number as I would not like to see dubious account operators make a return.

Is there any admin, staff around here to clear something up please? Is it Ok for DT members to interfere with moderation rules/duties? Such as tagging people for something like AI generated post, bad post quality etc?

What I'm trying to convey, hear me out please, it doesn't matter what our differences are, what degrees and education we have, we are all human beings deserving to live in peace and harmony, we all have our short comings, our flaws but we are always trying to improve and advance, some might be slow, some might be fast, but without care, patience and tolerance from matures, adults in our societies, none of us would be here, if we want to see progress in a community we should care and respect everyone. Only with kindness and leniency we can teach, violence has never worked.

Some people might have difficulty in adapting, but when they see there is a need for it, they will try to be better, so it's not cool to have a few individuals dictating how others should behave or post by using neg or neutral tags.

So is it against "forum" rules to do that or not? This is not about trust system being decentralized etc, you either accept such policy applied by some DT members or you don't.

If it's accepted, then we should all apply it to our behaviour as well, if not, then nobody should be exception.

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A reminder from recent history, Hitler used to kill/burn disabled children, children with mental issues. So in a way calling people shitposter and treat them like garbage by using tags and verbal insults, is the same thing, to bash people on the head all the time saying they are garbage, it won't give them any chance to grow and learn.


I'd say if Stephen Hawking lived during WW2, nazis would have killed him as well.

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Here is a joke written in sig space of a joker
"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”

Very funny, he just appeared on my radar today. 😉

And this is why nobody will ever take anything you post seriously. There's no point even responding to your Godwin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law).

If the standard that I use to gauge posts were to become "the entire thing has to make sense, otherwise it's worthless", then I might not merit a long post ever again. :P

I tend to leave merit for one (or more) of the following reasons: sometimes it's to reward effort/work, sometimes it's because I agree with a point well-made, sometimes it's because I disagree with what I still consider to be a valuable perspective, sometimes it's to "wink" at someone based on a previous exchange or PM, sometimes it's because something they said made me laugh or smile or learn something new, and sometimes it's just to offer encouragement...

When I first joined Bitcointalk, I was kind of on-board with the whole "the forum never forgets" attitude that a lot of members here seem to enjoy. But, the more time I invest in Bitcointalk, the more I think that we could probably do a lot better as a community if we were kinder to each other and not such hard-asses about certain things.

Honestly, I'd probably feel pretty safe doing a small to medium-sized trade with digaran, so his received-feedback seems a bit over-the-top to me, like he's had a microscope put on him and had all his mistakes blown out of proportion and then hung around his neck for all to see. He does post a lot of things that I don't agree with or that leave me scratching my head, but there is good stuff sometimes buried in digaran's posts, and some part of me wonders how much better his posts might skew if he felt less attacked/ostracized.

I think I started to think this way when naim027 got unbanned and then almost immediately got tagged into oblivion. I mean, I did tag him too, so I get why he was painted red, but I also have to wonder how it might have gone if the community had offered him a clean slate and a road to redemption, instead of just collectively hissing at him for lying.

I don't know, I'm just sharing some thoughts I've had. (Maybe I'll look back on them one day and consider them naive.)

We can just abolish any so-called "ban evading" rule because it's useless in any case.

A spammer or scammer will not care for it but members trying to improve after getting banned, honest from a new account will be targeted.
Plagiarism should simply result in a ban - no discussion. Plagiarism is serious violation.
Accounts engaging in plagiarism need to be trashed.

But after plagiarizer accounts are trashed, a new chance should be given by starting a new account.

We do not nee any strange so-called "ban evading" rule.

I agree, that's why I once in a while read some of his posts, even though I have him on ignore. He could be a good forum member, but he seems to prefer trolling.

Account farmers would love it if only one of their accounts gets banned after breaking the rules.

It is generous there is no fixed period in the second chance offer, maybe it should remain open rather be just a seasonal offer. The negative side to the offer could be that some members operating accounts with nefarious intentions will be emboldened in the knowledge there is a small window of opportunity (or hope) to get the account unbanned in the event it gets banned.

How many have actually taken advantage of the opportunity since your previous post of ~17 requests by email and three unbanned accounts?

Only one of them created one post since the unban. If they only become active once their signature ban expires, does that mean the "second chances" failed?

Maybe not, without worrying about reaching the campaign goals they will probably interact a little less than normal, or they might still be on vacation at the end of the year (I really wanted a 30 day vacation at least lol)

I disagree. I believe that those who commit plagiarism, perhaps unintentionally or unknowingly, deserve a second chance to redeem themselves. It's a mistake that can be corrected.  However, this doesn't mean that every banned account should get the same treatment.

My suggestion was including a second chance: just create new account.
Of course, old account getting trashed as punishment for plagiarism needs to be accepted.

But from a new account, everyone could have a second chance.

Some users who have their account banned for either plagiarism or by mistake or something have already created another account if you ask me but when such opportunity comes up I feel they'd be pleased to come back to get their old account back, because is not easy to get to where they are in that old account. To create a new account and getting to that rank they are in that old account is not going to be easy at all.

I wouldn't worry about him, he's doing quite well, back with at least 2 other accounts & one of them is on DT2 already  :D

I just can't prove it so I'm not gonna say who I know strongly suspect think they are.


Probably the main reason staff hasn't been overwhelmed with applicants... several banned accounts have since moved on to newer accounts & are probably of a higher rank than their original account.

You are far too generous with your words and more kind towards the naim027 situation that he deserves because he was operating a group of accounts at the time and not all were exposed. The presumption is that he is also operating multiple accounts even today especially accounts related the local board of his country that also posts in competitions as well as WO and have similar posting patterns.

During that period these were his known farmed-accounts:

naim027
Crypt0S0ul
Dic3L0v3r
AnotherAlt
John Abraham

It was also mentioned he used Cratoon and Starbets accounts in the past as he was employed by them but seems they have been returned to the employers.

Giving naim027 a clean slate would mean giving a clean slate to all known alt-accounts too and I think consensus would be against that.

naim027 was always a compulsive liar and chief manipulator therefore I am not surprised by what you stated about him having other accounts and at least one being on DT. He will try to keep a low profile because of the accounts he lost to negative tags previously but eventually will at some stage make an error.

I want to specifically thanks Cyrus for this chance. God bless you.

That's very true that those who are banned should not be given the second chances when it comes to palagrism or ban evasion. Of Course most to the accounts are banned on the basis of palagrism and Ban Evasion is just that that particular person/account that was banned had other accounts too and they should be banned too because the person behind them is the same who was involved in doing palagrism. If he can do palagrism from one account, he would probabaly be doing it from other accounts too.

Usually the person doing the palagrism know that he is cheating the system by copy pasting the post and avoding the effort required to do the posting. Even if there a few cases where the author wasn't aware of the consequences of the palagrism, there is no way to judge if he he didn't know about it or if he was doing it intentionally.

I have being notified of this thread by a friend who is in this community to come and report my account that has been ban for more than two years now, so why my account is being ban I don't know the main reason why its ban and I became confused till today, I have solicits and pleaded concerning the issue and all is being avail. @ Cyrus ...MY profile link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=381987,  I would like to be members of this forum again, its because of my inactive in the forum for long time that makes me I couldn't notice when you made this thread, with my seriousness to come back to the forum I would have be among of the first people to respond in this thread, I have seen few people that's listed to the thread that has be unban, please I'm pleading to be among of the unban fellows.

Thanks I will be grateful if am free from ban, thanks once again @ Cyrus and other reputable members of the forum.

Does your "friend" know that you bought your account? I remember the original owner of your account and it is not you.

This topic deals with accounts that have been banned for plagiarism. Has your account been banned for plagiarism? After reviewing your account information I believe you were not banned for plagiarism, so your account is not eligible for consideration in this topic.

Can account be ban without any issues, I think it's because of plagiarism or not, I don't know why account got ban, so what's my offence and nobody have told me my offence why this account got ban since is not a plagiarism.

The user claimed to be banned by plagiarism and spamming (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5437105.0).

It is possibly a bought account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5437105.msg61675850#msg61675850).

Another poster said it is  an alt account. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5313637.msg56295528#msg56295528)

It seems mixture of information so I am unsure what is cause of the ban.

That's just imagination that dataispower is connected to those numerous account, their is no legitimate proof to show that dataispower is connected, so someone who is the forum can't use his receiving wallet in the forum to buy bitcoin or neither Altcoin from another person depending the payment receiving wallet in forum, those connections is suppose to scrab out in forum, its controversial issues in the forum, because I decided to see someone who wants sell it bitcoin from any social and the person sell bitcoin from his receiving wallet which is to my receiving wallet which is also in forum, that doesn't mean that its my alt when members of forum notice. So i don't have problem with that.

Your account is banned due to excessive spamming and probably plagiarism, but I think you already know that. You explained yourself:




That's not true. Here's your legitimate proof:

This is a bit off-topic since the connected accounts are not banned, although I am sure you are both deodivine1 and InwardContour. This is your address (https://ninjastic.space/addresses?address=0x8c6CA8ADcd305e2e0052939d87dB405fE5CBf5D9) (you deleted both bounty applications, wonder why that was):

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/02/16/YXy3C.png

So, it could be that just deodivine1 and InwardContour are alts (their transactions are less than 2 minutes apart) except that you deposited the received Tether to a Binance address (https://etherscan.io/address/0xf7803c315cf1b8be4e418915719422cd17109a80#tokentxns) also used by deodivine1... There's no rational explanation for this other than you are all alts.

https://talkimg.com/images/2024/02/16/YXJ9b.png


Edit: FatFork just provided more clear proof but I just did all this work so I'm not deleting it.

It's out of ignorant, I will still tell you that my account is not connected with anyone, we are different people, some people doesn't system to login their details in forum but they borrow another one system to something online, you may mistakenly use another person address to fill your space unknowingly, let me tell, I'm a giver and if anyone ask me for something I do give out what I have to the person to ensure that the person's problem is been solve..this problem establish the day I gave deodivine1 my laptop to work, but I know that some of you will not believe because it's has been awhile this incidents happened, but let me remind you that no one is above a mistake, when the issue of address linked up happened I wasn't taken it that serious not knowing that it caused damage in future

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For knowing why I'm ban, I will tell you from bottom of my heart that I don't know why I got ban, and if you insist it's because spamming, you can crosscheck my profile and see my methods of posting  if it's a spam or what.

So many people post a trash or garbage post but nobody will notify them because they are connected a group of people who feel like the are pillars of bitcointalk and all decisions is on them, I notice that what is happening here is fashion, cartel and when they are against you their no way you can resurrect, so let us calm down check if I have committed a crime during the time I was ban or it's because of sentiment or passed issues I had that makes someone to report my account and it got ban..really I forgotten this forum for awhile because I don't want to start afresh to build account and if I do and someone notice me I will still get ban, let us let bygone should be bygone and give my account a second chance.

It's that's not off topic....when someone make his opinion you will conclude that its off topic....since one two years I have living without forum I hope you know...you always be serious in anything that concerns me, do you got pay from all this? Remember that you was ban for some months and I remember how you feel during the time you wasn't having access to post, if you that what will make you happy is for human being like you not be one of the forum members..I have tender apologise almost three times in the forum still you continue to engineer members of the forum me not to come back....did you disobey the rules and regulations of forum before you got temporary ban, but you were set free.

I was referring to my post being off-topic.

I have been temp banned a couple of times in my nearly 10-year history on the forum. If you haven't been temp banned then you haven't really lived.

The difference between you and me is, I didn't get a permaban for being a cheater, and I'm not a shitposter with a bought account. You can lie all you want but nobody is going to believe you.