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December 12, 2023, 06:33:15 PM
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It's called a heater mate.

You are supposed to keep playing on the heater until you meet a cold section. Most of us especially me, sometimes on the heater not only keep playing but raise the bet by maybe 20-50%. In the heater, you can turn on for 2-4 weeks lose back to even with just a single section. One things people should aware, just need to set up a limit win and stop while you got cold section (streak/multiple lose) after your heater.

Yes, the chance are same but one things people should learn keep doing/bet on heater until you lose after keep betting + raise your bet and then bet back to original bet. That's it, and then call the day.

some of the gamblers however don't stop as they hope to keep winning.  i think everyone feels lucky when we win 3-4 times in a row and if happens after every 1 loss, its really a time to increase the bets.

the martingale strategy looks very fun to try when you are new to gambling actually and you always feel lucky when you try it. the more you win the more you wanted to start with more than the usual starting amount.

Not some but I think it's more like "most" gamblers prefer to act out of control, or that means doing things that they can't really afford to lose, it's like wanting to win but not willing to lose, isn't it ridiculous? obviously. Greed will have a major role when luck accompanies you in the session you are doing, one of the reasons is that they try to take advantage of the situation and conditions to get a much bigger win, on the other hand are you sure that luck is still with you at that time? unknown, anyone will never know when luck comes and when it leaves, which is why it is very difficult to get a win and from dozens of attempts there will only be a few or even one win.

That is indeed quite tempting, but on the other hand allowing yourself to continue to be carried away by the situation is really not recommended and must be avoided, the satisfaction of lust will have no limit, meaning that even if you can get a large number of wins it will not be able to make you realize to leave and there is only that you will again increase the multiplier for even bigger wins. Simply put, "winning is addictive and losing is curious" is what gambling is all about and the point is that there should at least be time for you to go home and enjoy it.

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December 12, 2023, 06:36:23 PM
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But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

But that's not how it works. Every spin is a new game, and you're just as likely to win or lose as you were on the last spin.  There is no math that says you have less chance after winning a huge multiplier if the outcome of the game is truly random.

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December 12, 2023, 06:40:36 PM
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The best after winning is to just quit and not gamble again for that day.  Some gamblers will want to have fun, they can reduce the money that they are using to gamble. Example is if a gambler has won $10 for the day, the gambler can just use $5 to gamble for the remain gambling time of the day. With $0.5 in each game, it would make the gambling time longer. If all the $5 are lost, he should not gamble with the remaining profit but stop gambling for the day.

But that's not how it works. Every spin is a new game, and you're just as likely to win or lose as you were on the last spin.  There is no math that says you have less chance after winning a huge multiplier if the outcome of the game is truly random.
If you have been betting and experiencing how it is, you will understand that the more you gamble the more your gambling fund will reduce in a way that you may likely add more bankroll. That is what OP is talking about and he is definitely right.

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December 12, 2023, 06:47:08 PM
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It's called a heater mate.

You are supposed to keep playing on the heater until you meet a cold section. Most of us especially me, sometimes on the heater not only keep playing but raise the bet by maybe 20-50%. In the heater, you can turn on for 2-4 weeks lose back to even with just a single section. One things people should aware, just need to set up a limit win and stop while you got cold section (streak/multiple lose) after your heater.

Yes, the chance are same but one things people should learn keep doing/bet on heater until you lose after keep betting + raise your bet and then bet back to original bet. That's it, and then call the day.
I haven't done this though. I am too scared that I may lose my winnings and fall into mild depression out of regrets. When I write the new things in risky things in gambling that I want to attempt for 2024, I am going to put this in there. For now, I will have to read more on this "heater" thingy.

From the way you explained it, this is not feat for a newbie. It is left for those who wants their adrenaline to run faster. Do you have any other tips for me to keep in mind before I go ahead and try this for myself?

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December 12, 2023, 07:13:10 PM
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It's called a heater mate.

You are supposed to keep playing on the heater until you meet a cold section. Most of us especially me, sometimes on the heater not only keep playing but raise the bet by maybe 20-50%. In the heater, you can turn on for 2-4 weeks lose back to even with just a single section. One things people should aware, just need to set up a limit win and stop while you got cold section (streak/multiple lose) after your heater.

Yes, the chance are same but one things people should learn keep doing/bet on heater until you lose after keep betting + raise your bet and then bet back to original bet. That's it, and then call the day.

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of winning in the first place? If you'll keep on upping your bet while you're in the zone, you're not gaining anything at the end of the day or until you get to that cold section. Perhaps people who won huge amounts should keep a portion of their wins immediately and play with whatever's left of those winnings to their heart's content. I understand that you should strike while the iron is hot, but I think it isn't fully applicable to a game wherein chances are most probably not in your favor most of the time.

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December 12, 2023, 08:09:17 PM
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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

If you hang around gamblers in casinos for long enough, you quickly pick up on those who are chasing luck or think they are due for a win, which goes against the simple reality of the odds. It's also big business and a lot of research has gone into the psychology and tricks that get people to spend more. There is no logic to it, the simple reality is many people are bad at math or are so desperate to win, that they throw any analysis out the window. There is no reasoning with someone who has not used reason to take their position.

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December 12, 2023, 08:15:22 PM
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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

This mostly affects gamblers who have no plan. Gambling is a game of luck so you don't expect to keep winning consistently. Winning big only comes once in a while, hence it is important to maximize it when it comes. Immediately I will big, the next step will be to withdraw some percentage and the remaining funds will be kept in my account to fund my games. Gamblers should grasp that we lose more than we win, so it is important not to gamble off our wind because we expect to win more. Wins should be used to solve our needs and not to be pulled back into gambling. Some gamblers have invested some of their wins and it is bringing returns. Gambling is not an investment and it shouldn't be seen as su h.

For example, there is people who likes to drive around their city for fun, even though their are losing money in gas, they are not earning anything beyond the experience of a lovely afternoon, and so, they enjoy fully because there is no thought about earning money when going out for a car ride with friends.

Your illustration about people driving around town because of the fun they derived from it is a typical example of people gambling for fun. When one gambles for fun there will be no need to chase losses or see gambling as a major source of income. People also visit cinemas to watch movies just because of fun and they are comfortable spending money on it.

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December 12, 2023, 08:27:13 PM
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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

Scientists have been struggling with probability for a long time now. Although if something like luck existed, we would have quantized, measured and experimentally reproduced it by now. But I think its just a superstition concept.

What is important is the probability. And that never seems to change.

If your probability of winning is 1/10 then that does not mean you will definitely win once or lose 9 times. You could win 10 times and lose 0 times. Or even lose all 10 times and not even win once.

You just have to take a chance and see where it leads you.

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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

The biggest mistake a gambler would ever make, this multipliers usually comes after several failed attempts, and when it finally comes, what's the possibility that it's gonna come again, after that round, you know the saying, you can't eat your cake and have it. I think what drives gamblers to go into such an adventure is greed. You make a significant win by luck and then you automatically assume that you'll be that lucky again because you want more. Some even go as far as betting all their wins on the next round and then end up loosing it all.

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And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

I don't really believe in this mathematical connotations to gambling because they don't really work. If we are talking about the reduction of chances of luck to appear  because of frequency of playing time, so what is the proportion of the time to play that it would really reduce the chances of reduced luck. This is just not scientific, and that is the point. Many other people have been successful while staying longer in their gambling tables.

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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?
That is only applicable to those newbies in gambling who are still not aware on the risks and danger of gambling. They think that once luck is there, it will continue to stay with him until he will experience a big win in the end. But in reality, the opposite thing happens. Once you're lucky and made some significant profits, then it's time to withdraw and go home immediately, otherwise playing more will only make you lose your winning profits.

It takes various experiences first so that these newbies will learn their lesson. But for now, let them gamble on their own and encounter winnings and losses, they will come to see the realities in gambling when they experience losing a lot which I think is very possible with gambling.
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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

I don't think all gamblers do things like that, but I'm sure almost all gamblers have done that, even if only once. That is greed, although it is possible that after getting a big win we will get it back, the chances are smaller. The best way so that we don't lose our winnings again is to withdraw some of it or store it in a vault if there is such a feature on the site.

I have experience playing slots and after getting Maxwin I got another big win of around 3500x the bet. Of course, this very rarely happens and what happens most often is that I will lose my winnings if I force myself to continue playing, especially if we play slot machines.


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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

The biggest mistake a gambler would ever make, this multipliers usually comes after several failed attempts, and when it finally comes, what's the possibility that it's gonna come again, after that round, you know the saying, you can't eat your cake and have it. I think what drives gamblers to go into such an adventure is greed. You make a significant win by luck and then you automatically assume that you'll be that lucky again because you want more. Some even go as far as betting all their wins on the next round and then end up loosing it all.
This is a common misconception of a player, he invented for himself that he was lucky and believed it. After that he continues betting. There are a lot of such misconceptions when players come up with anything they want just to continue the game and get the emotions they so need. Also, many players study on the Internet or on forums various mathematical strategies that replace concepts. You need to understand that most of this information is nonsense. It is better to double-check information from various sources and try it yourself on small amounts for a long time. Because if we don’t do this, the loss will come to us.

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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."

This proves that he is someone who is quite greedy, he is never grateful for the victory he gets, he always wants a victory that is bigger than what they got before. Until in the end this trait pushed him to behave carelessly, by risking back the winnings he had obtained. And finally, what was initially profitable became a loss. So this is where good self-control and emotions are needed, so that we will know exactly when we have to stop gambling and when we have to start gambling.

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In terms of calculations, it is clear that this gambling is very detrimental. Because when gambling, a person will experience more losses than wins.

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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

I have been in that situation many times... but after a big win, nobody thinks about math, we think more about how it's just the beginning and that an even bigger win is just around the corner. So we continue with gambling, and in most cases, we even raise the bets...  but that ends badly for us. Been there, done that... and I feel I can't run away from that, I repeat the same mistake over and over again. The moment takes us to some place and it's hard against it, we don't even feel it/thin about it and it's over and we lost it. It's hard to control every moment of gambling, especially when big wins and losses happen. In those moments each of us gets into some special stage of mind, and we need to find a way to control it or it will eat us.

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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

And that is the very definition of gambling though, I mean it's the risk of not knowing whether you are going to win or not. So for those gamblers that have that kind of mentality, I would say that it is not normal though.

It's just the question on how he is going to take his losses as he try to extend his luck? Will he be ok with losing that money and most likely his bankroll? In any case, gambling is really is not for everyone I guess, those who doesn't want to take risk and go for broke. But I can't blame as well those who for reasons, might withdraw everything after a good win, maybe they have lost so much money already and they are trying to recoup from this losses.

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December 12, 2023, 09:27:42 PM
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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?
Gamblers think that the more they gamble, the higher their chance will be to win jackpot. Think about it, as you try something over and over again, you expect that you'll get what you wanted to get or you'll do what you wanted to do. That's why gamblers think that the more they gamble, higher will be their chance to win and that's why they also think that if they are lucky right now, they'll be lucky till the end of the day. According to math, the probability of winning doesn't increase after losing, instead, it decreases.

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December 12, 2023, 09:36:01 PM
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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

This mostly affects gamblers who have no plan. Gambling is a game of luck so you don't expect to keep winning consistently. Winning big only comes once in a while, hence it is important to maximize it when it comes. Immediately I will big, the next step will be to withdraw some percentage and the remaining funds will be kept in my account to fund my games. Gamblers should grasp that we lose more than we win, so it is important not to gamble off our wind because we expect to win more. Wins should be used to solve our needs and not to be pulled back into gambling. Some gamblers have invested some of their wins and it is bringing returns. Gambling is not an investment and it shouldn't be seen as su h.

For example, there is people who likes to drive around their city for fun, even though their are losing money in gas, they are not earning anything beyond the experience of a lovely afternoon, and so, they enjoy fully because there is no thought about earning money when going out for a car ride with friends.

Your illustration about people driving around town because of the fun they derived from it is a typical example of people gambling for fun. When one gambles for fun there will be no need to chase losses or see gambling as a major source of income. People also visit cinemas to watch movies just because of fun and they are comfortable spending money on it.

It is the simplest example or Illustration I could think of, though.
Also, I do not pretend to be the perfect gambler and be into wagering money because 100 percent of the fun it brings to me, that would be hypocritical to say, even the most responsible gamblers who trie to detach themselves from any earning still hopes for scoring big in the casino, even if they are not actively seek to big a huge amount of money in their session.
If casinos offered some games which would not have any changes to earn money, but rather other kind of prices, probably even those who only claim to seek for fun would not feel so appealed to wager money on those, instead the classic slots and dices.

Even probably has happened to you, even when you are aware you are supposed to treat all this is entertainment, you have gotten carried away during one or two sessions which you felt specially lucky.

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December 12, 2023, 09:40:54 PM
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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?

The biggest mistake a gambler would ever make, this multipliers usually comes after several failed attempts, and when it finally comes, what's the possibility that it's gonna come again, after that round, you know the saying, you can't eat your cake and have it. I think what drives gamblers to go into such an adventure is greed. You make a significant win by luck and then you automatically assume that you'll be that lucky again because you want more. Some even go as far as betting all their wins on the next round and then end up loosing it all.
This is a common misconception of a player, he invented for himself that he was lucky and believed it. After that he continues betting. There are a lot of such misconceptions when players come up with anything they want just to continue the game and get the emotions they so need. Also, many players study on the Internet or on forums various mathematical strategies that replace concepts. You need to understand that most of this information is nonsense. It is better to double-check information from various sources and try it yourself on small amounts for a long time. Because if we don’t do this, the loss will come to us.

Lol, funny enough this is common amongst several gamblers, makes me wonder where they get this perspective from. Whenever I find myself in that position, the first and only reflex I get is to run, not just walk away, I run away with my winning, because I know that whatever that will make me to spend more time there would result to me loosing the winning and even more. Because after loosing the winning, you'd be filled with nothing but rage and regrets, and those emotions combined in a gambler's heart can make a gambler take irrational decisions that would likely send him into ruin and damnation.

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December 12, 2023, 09:57:48 PM
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Hi guys. Someone will explain to me why gamblers have such a strange logic: if a gambler has received a huge multiplier, then he will not withdraw this money. And he will continue to play, saying, "if I'm so lucky, I'll be lucky again now."
But according to the laws of mathematics, the chance of such luck becomes much less, doesn't it?
To become an irresponsible gambler, rather than a successful one, you've got to be really sentimental; gamblers have got one grand rule, and I think they didn't make this rule themselves - I think this rule was made by the casinos themselves to motivate and rekindle every gambler's urge to win, when they know too well that the possibilities of this happening is barely 2/10.. however, some gamblers have got to discover this "trickery" and they've learnt to evade them by some grand "mastery" of abstinence or predetermined bankrolls per week, month or annum.
Sandra; to me, I feel this are peeps I could eventually term as professional gamblers...

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