Pay discrimination

[harapan]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

Employers could be treated or paid differently based on their religion,age,race or ethnicity.Employers must be paid equally if they're doing substantially everything required of them from the company or employer.
 
 Pay discrimination can occur as a result of mismanagement of funds from employers,or inadequate required performance task.Equality an impartiality should always be at the back of our minds.So long as they are part of the leading roles that contributed to the companys growth.
Old of young should be treated equally.

[usekevin]

Employers could be treated or paid differently based on their religion,age,race or ethnicity.Employers must be paid equally if they're doing substantially everything required of them from the company or employer.
 
 Pay discrimination can occur as a result of mismanagement of funds from employers,or inadequate required performance task.Equality an impartiality should always be at the back of our minds.So long as they are part of the leading roles that contributed to the companys growth.
Old of young should be treated equally.

In many countries the wages based on the religion and age was already ended.In only some of the developing countries the average wage will be paid.Now the trend based the age and experience of the workers will be cause of now to paying the salaries to them.The corporate people will change the demo location based salary to their employees.The law was created in a way to reduce their discrimination against the employees income.But in some county law was in the paper and never implemented.Some countries just keep in law and depressed the people by less wages,sad part is government help the corporate to do this to their own people.

[JariKriting]

The current job is a salary based on experience and education. manual labor if high flying hours experience a lot of skill will be rewarded with high salaries too.
For example, if the labor is not valued, people who have the ability and skills will choose to leave and be self-employed to make money independently with their skills.

[Hispo]

I would like to take this thread which is already about the relationship between the different kinds of work positions to ask you all: What are you personal opinions or thoughts about Unions?  

Do you think it is good people of a certain branch of the industry or profession are able to get together and fight for better conditions in their workplaces?
I have encounter all kind of positions on the internet from people who are either in favor or oppose Unions. The biggest anti union talking point I have seen online are allegations about them being some kind of accelerator for big corporations to invest even more into automation processes, so they won't deal with unionized Human beings. Which got me thinking that perhaps there should be some regulation concerning those efforts to completely ditch regular workers.

To be honest, even if there was no union in this planet and in any country, I would be still expect big companies to push further to decrease the number of there personel untill those numbers to become as small as possible, all for the sake of better profits, of course.

[slapper]

I would like to take this thread which is already about the relationship between the different kinds of work positions to ask you all: What are you personal opinions or thoughts about Unions?  

Do you think it is good people of a certain branch of the industry or profession are able to get together and fight for better conditions in their workplaces?
I have encounter all kind of positions on the internet from people who are either in favor or oppose Unions. The biggest anti union talking point I have seen online are allegations about them being some kind of accelerator for big corporations to invest even more into automation processes, so they won't deal with unionized Human beings. Which got me thinking that perhaps there should be some regulation concerning those efforts to completely ditch regular workers.

To be honest, even if there was no union in this planet and in any country, I would be still expect big companies to push further to decrease the number of there personel untill those numbers to become as small as possible, all for the sake of better profits, of course.

Unions represent workers and advocate for better conditions and wages. It symbolizes solidarity by amplifying individual concerns into a powerful chorus. However, consider the economic effects. Unions advocate for workers' rights, which is good, but they can raise corporate costs. In a time of cost-cutting and efficiency, unions' push may hasten automation. A tricky balance, right? Workers' rights must be protected, but economic realities must be considered.

Automation is mostly driven by technology, not unions. Companies naturally choose automation for efficiency and cost savings. Should we regulate automation to save jobs? Possible, but cautious. Overregulation may impede innovation and competition. Protecting workers' rights while embracing technological innovation is complicated. How do you strike this balance?

[Cookdata]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

White-collar jobs and blue-collar jobs will forever have a price difference, if it were that easy, everyone would have an engineer, a lawyer and a pharmacist in their house but it is because there is a speciality and things you must undergo before you become one. You pay for lectures and school fees, you struggle to pass some courses, you struggle to pay for textbooks, you struggle to write final exams that may only graduate a few and you think you want to compare them with any craft person who can learn vocational courses and open shop, it doesn't work that way even though they are important in the society. What are you going to call a medical doctor and a processing engineer? If these two people alone stop their work or do a bad job, half of the world will die under a year. Last year when we had coronavirus, if not for the aid of medical doctors, the world would probably be dead now, don't you think?

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

Disrespected in what way, maybe you can say some people who don't value their craft and work but there is nothing that is useless IMO, respect is reciprocal when you treat anyone well, you get treated. Without Carpenter, there wouldn't be a roof and I'm sure he charges everyone according to the type of service they need, without cab drivers companies such as Uber, and Bolt wouldn't function, they make good money from what they do, some even earn more than some white collar jobs and we have seen cases where some people with white collar jobs do bolt in their free time. There is nothing like disrespect, there are cases where CEOs or head of companies disrespect their workers, so there is nothing discriminate in what you are saying.

[franky1]

unions can help but they have their own policy agenda.

the issue remains that most employees dont know what payrises/promotions to expect what rate of pay to expect nor able to evaluate their work vs their colleagues work vs pay differences

unions could fight that companies should stop the random number picking of salaries and instead have businesses declare transparent tier system based on math of businesses operation
EG a business calculates how much value a certain task brings to the business of real labour to produce % profit

..
EG take football(soccer)
if there was a mens and womans team of same level/league.
but the womans game ticket sales were $50 a ticket and only had 20k attendees per weekly game($1m)
where as the make game ticket sales were $80 a ticket and had 40k attendees per weekly game($3.2m)
(its actually true female same league demand/fanbase desire for tickets is less than male league.. thats economics not sexism)

the fair system is each of the 20 players had a rating of 2% if they played on pitch. 4% if they scored. and 1% if they just sat on the sidelines
a female player that played and scored 2 goals would rightfully and fairly get 10% of $1m ticket income ($100k)
a female player that played and scored 0 goals would rightfully and fairly get 2% of $1m ticket income ($20k)
a female player that sat at sidelines would rightfully and fairly get 1% of $1m ticket income ($10k)

a male player that played and scored 2 goals would rightfully and fairly get 10% of $3.2m ticket income ($320k)
a male player that played and scored 0 goals would rightfully and fairly get 2% of $3.2m ticket income ($64k)
a male player that sat at sidelines would rightfully and fairly get 1% of $3.2m ticket income ($32k)

this would be transparent and clear and fair. compared to a system of certain people sitting at the sidelines thinking they deserve to be paid $320k just because "im a footballer too, just like the top footballer" mentality

[Iroh]

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

Yes, it’s quite sad seeing how people treat public service workers with disrespect and disdain but we’ve got different types of people and unfortunately, not everyone would be kind, fair and understanding. But these service workers, although important in our society are as much pillars in the society as any other occupation. Would things fall apart without them? Probably not.

About pay differences, it’s only normal to be paid according to the services you provide. If you’re exceptional in your field, you would be paid accordingly. It’s only fair in my opinion.

[Twentyonepaylots]

I think everyone should be treated equally weather it's white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor.

All should be treated equally and with respect. But in terms of wages for labor, there's this thing called Salary grade or bracket which obviously white collar jobs are higher.

It doesn't matter. But the sad truth is it doesn't happen. People are treated differently based on their colors and race or jobs. No job is ever small. Those who thinks that being a waiter, a delivery workers, a cab drivers, carpenter, or construction worker is lowly jobs and don't deserves respects are fools. Our life is so comfortable because of them, because of their hardworking mindset.

Those who disrespect and only respect people out of their job is a total dumb. Your job doesn't reflect on who you really are, I know people with blue collar jobs be drinking all night, hopping bars night after night, and post shitty contents on social media and then there are people who is street-sweeper who return a cellphone to the owner after being left in a public place, provide for their family, and shows respect to others equally. We should be doing different things now, it's 2024 and this mindset is like a stuck old brainer.

[SOKO-DEKE]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Why white collar Jobs get higher pay than blue-collar jobs due to several factors. Firstly, white collar is a professions often require extensive education and specialized skills, which necessitate a significant investment of time and resources in acquiring knowledge. Professionals in these roles contribute to the intellectual and strategic aspects of businesses, impacting decision making and organizational success.

Additionally, white collar jobs often involve a higher level of responsibility and accountability. Individuals in managerial or executive positions bear the weight of crucial decisions, influencing the entire company's trajectory. This level of responsibility demands a higher compensation to attract and retain top talent.

Furthermore, white-collar roles often involve continuous learning and adaptation to rapidly changing industries, adding to the value of the skills possessed. The demand for these roles is frequently driven by the evolving landscape of technology and business, contributing to their higher pay scale compared to blue cpppollar jobs that may require more physical labor but often involve repetitive tasks with lower educational prerequisites.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

It is extremely depressing when we fail to recognize the importance of hard work in seemingly unremarkable yet vital roles in our everyday existence. Consider the person who delivers our wonderful meals, the taxi driver who gets us where we need to go, or the carpenter who constructs our houses. These people go a long way toward simplifying our lives. Even pros could have difficulties at work without them. Because of this, it's critical to respect them and acknowledge their significance by making sure they are fairly compensated for their labors, understanding the critical role they play in maintaining order and efficiency.

[Antotena]

I think everyone should be treated equally weather it's white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor.

All should be treated equally and with respect. But in terms of wages for labor, there's this thing called Salary grade or bracket which obviously white collar jobs are higher.

Maybe the way the society look at them and judge them by their standard. Society has made the world look confined that if you don't go school and finish from higher institution, you will never make it in life and that's why when people that dropped out of school due to insufficient funds to further later settle for blue collar jobs are been underrated. Even if you have a higher degree certificate and you settle for this jobs, the society has a way it call you to order to that discrimination. However, I don't do that and I know people that are into that jobs and take their jobs in a professional way and charge you base on their time and experience, they earned well especially the skilled ones.

It doesn't matter. But the sad truth is it doesn't happen. People are treated differently based on their colors and race or jobs. No job is ever small. Those who thinks that being a waiter, a delivery workers, a cab drivers, carpenter, or construction worker is lowly jobs and don't deserves respects are fools. Our life is so comfortable because of them, because of their hardworking mindset.

Those who disrespect and only respect people out of their job is a total dumb. Your job doesn't reflect on who you really are, I know people with blue collar jobs be drinking all night, hopping bars night after night, and post shitty contents on social media and then there are people who is street-sweeper who return a cellphone to the owner after being left in a public place, provide for their family, and shows respect to others equally. We should be doing different things now, it's 2024 and this mindset is like a stuck old brainer.

The level of packaging is one of the things that affect their standard,just because people don't value me in the society doesn't mean I shouldn't make myself. I know of a guy that service our family cars, the guy has his personal car and dress professionally to his work place and has proper tools. If you call him for work, be ready to pay high money because he is going to deliver what you want him to do and that's where I respect him very much because he always package himself. You don't expect a mechanic that has his own personal car to accept a penny payment from you, he wouldn't.

[kentrolla]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Why white collar Jobs get higher pay than blue-collar jobs due to several factors. Firstly, white collar is a professions often require extensive education and specialized skills, which necessitate a significant investment of time and resources in acquiring knowledge. Professionals in these roles contribute to the intellectual and strategic aspects of businesses, impacting decision making and organizational success.

Additionally, white collar jobs often involve a higher level of responsibility and accountability. Individuals in managerial or executive positions bear the weight of crucial decisions, influencing the entire company's trajectory. This level of responsibility demands a higher compensation to attract and retain top talent.

Furthermore, white-collar roles often involve continuous learning and adaptation to rapidly changing industries, adding to the value of the skills possessed. The demand for these roles is frequently driven by the evolving landscape of technology and business, contributing to their higher pay scale compared to blue cpppollar jobs that may require more physical labor but often involve repetitive tasks with lower educational prerequisites.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

It is extremely depressing when we fail to recognize the importance of hard work in seemingly unremarkable yet vital roles in our everyday existence. Consider the person who delivers our wonderful meals, the taxi driver who gets us where we need to go, or the carpenter who constructs our houses. These people go a long way toward simplifying our lives. Even pros could have difficulties at work without them. Because of this, it's critical to respect them and acknowledge their significance by making sure they are fairly compensated for their labors, understanding the critical role they play in maintaining order and efficiency.

This is the reason I have made this post because they don't get the due respect which they deserve and without them this world will rot we shouldn't be in assumption that artificial intelligence or a bot will take care of these things we are still far away from such technologies which can replace the kind of task done by these skilled workers. It's simple they should get their due respect and fair pay for the kind of hardwork they put in to make this world a better place to in. We cannot image a world without them as everything will be messed up with no one to fix it.

[bayu7adi]

This is the reason I have made this post because they don't get the due respect which they deserve and without them this world will rot we shouldn't be in assumption that artificial intelligence or a bot will take care of these things we are still far away from such technologies which can replace the kind of task done by these skilled workers. It's simple they should get their due respect and fair pay for the kind of hardwork they put in to make this world a better place to in. We cannot image a world without them as everything will be messed up with no one to fix it.

Discrimination only happens when people with higher incomes look down on those with lower incomes, or when people in high positions dismiss those in lower positions. But remember, not everyone disrespects someone else's job; it's about a person's attitude and respect toward others.

All jobs have their own importance, and I agree with OP that many simple jobs done by ordinary people go unappreciated. People take different paths in their careers, so I consider someone with a better career to be someone who has worked hard and had a bit of luck.

The position of a courier is indeed important, but the position of a head of state is even more crucial. They both work, but they have different skill sets.

[franky1]

but the position of a head of state is even more crucial. They both work, but they have different skill sets.

head of state has a skillset? i thought they employed advisers for that and delegated tasks to actual people with skills

[justdimin]

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

Looking at the blue collar jobs in my area, I can say that white collar jobs are filled with people who graduated from college for no reason at all. Back in the day, during our parents time, people with a college degree ended up making a lot more money, so the whole world pressured the kids to go to college so they would be one of those people who make that money, but because we all did, now it means nothing at all.

In fact, I worked 4+ years without a degree and made about the same amount of money as afterwards, only after I found my current job that I got paid this much, and on my current job, that I have been working for 8 years, I have never proved my college degree, meaning I could have been uneducated person with not even graduating from elementary school, and my boss wouldn't know, never asked, I have my job, because I am good at it, as simple as that.

[EarnOnVictor]

There has always been a huge difference in the pay scale between the white collar jobs and blue collar or skilled labor wherein the later one put in more effort physically and do more hardwork than the earlier one.

Should there be market correction done for skilled labors?

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

That is the world for you, no how we will always see discrimination. This is why you also see the huge gaps between the rich and poor pay (directly or indirectly), and I'm afraid, it will continue like that.

This is certainly not fair, and what I can say now is that the white-collar job is assumed to be a noble job and that nobility was earned through the stress they passed through when they took their time to school. In other words, their certificate(s) earned them that, and a certificate as we know is very powerful regardless of how many would feel about the disparity. Yet, blue-collar jobs should still be fairly paid since they are the main effort/brain that made the work/business possible. But I will not entirely support them because most of them are too lazy to go to school, there is nothing stopping most of them from returning back to school and upgrading. I have seen many painstakingly doing that and were better than their former colleagues over time.

Above all, the certificate is powerful, so anyone who wants to be paid in that grade should work for it and obtain it.

[Betwrong]

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

Looking at the blue collar jobs in my area, I can say that white collar jobs are filled with people who graduated from college for no reason at all. Back in the day, during our parents time, people with a college degree ended up making a lot more money, so the whole world pressured the kids to go to college so they would be one of those people who make that money, but because we all did, now it means nothing at all.

In fact, I worked 4+ years without a degree and made about the same amount of money as afterwards, only after I found my current job that I got paid this much, and on my current job, that I have been working for 8 years, I have never proved my college degree, meaning I could have been uneducated person with not even graduating from elementary school, and my boss wouldn't know, never asked, I have my job, because I am good at it, as simple as that.

But normally they ask for your education certificates when you apply for a job. You are a lucky person that you have found your job, and your boss is a good person(from the words you describe him). Many white-collar jobs look like they could be performed without any education, but in fact you need an education to get them.

[mirakal]

Try to answer the question: the one you call a “white collar” has an education—a higher education. Can he do the work of a laborer? Waiter, taxi driver, builder? Yes, sure. You can learn this in a couple of days.
The question is, can someone who works as a waiter create a project, perform an operation, or teach a child higher mathematics?
Do you feel the difference? Hence, ask yourself why people with higher education get paid more. I think the answer is obvious.

Well, there are some who don’t have proper education but are still capable to do paper works or management programs because they have varied experiences that made them learn the works of a white collar. Although they can’t be hire because they are underqualified, but when it comes to skills and even intelligence, these blue collar workers can still have the chances to prove their worth if they are given opportunities.

However, we can’t deny the reality that white collar workers have bigger opportunities than those blue collar workers. Probably because they spent more to finish their degree so they should be given more favorable opportunities compared to those blue collar workers.

[Dave1]

Some will say that an white collar employee is more mentally drained out hence they deserve better pay but people who do menial job stop working the world will just rot as everything cannot be done but robots and AI.

It's sometimes sad to see how they are treated disrespectfully, be it a waiter, delivery workers, cab drivers, carpenter, or construction workers as they are the pillars and without them things will start falling apart. I know some of these can be automated but not everything.

Looking at the blue collar jobs in my area, I can say that white collar jobs are filled with people who graduated from college for no reason at all. Back in the day, during our parents time, people with a college degree ended up making a lot more money, so the whole world pressured the kids to go to college so they would be one of those people who make that money, but because we all did, now it means nothing at all.

In fact, I worked 4+ years without a degree and made about the same amount of money as afterwards, only after I found my current job that I got paid this much, and on my current job, that I have been working for 8 years, I have never proved my college degree, meaning I could have been uneducated person with not even graduating from elementary school, and my boss wouldn't know, never asked, I have my job, because I am good at it, as simple as that.

But normally they ask for your education certificates when you apply for a job. You are a lucky person that you have found your job, and your boss is a good person(from the words you describe him). Many white-collar jobs look like they could be performed without any education, but in fact you need an education to get them.

I do agree, I do in fact travel to other countries in mid 2000's to obviously look for job. I did get one, however, they are looking for your credentials and experience and diploma. In short you need to educate yourself to get a good job not just in our own country, but even outside.

So he might be lucky to have a good boss who understands, or perhaps his talent is valuable and hard to get that his boss never ask for his education and diploma. As long as he can do that job the right way and make his boss money, then it's going to be fine.

[Betwrong]

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I do agree, I do in fact travel to other countries in mid 2000's to obviously look for job. I did get one, however, they are looking for your credentials and experience and diploma. In short you need to educate yourself to get a good job not just in our own country, but even outside.

So he might be lucky to have a good boss who understands, or perhaps his talent is valuable and hard to get that his boss never ask for his education and diploma. As long as he can do that job the right way and make his boss money, then it's going to be fine.

But still it's incredibly rare to get a job just based on a promise like "I can do the job. Trust me." Normally you have to show that you've done the job before, that you have an experience. Especially when it's a white-collar job. You can dig a hole without any prior experience, but the question is, how much you will be paid for that? Not much, that's for certain.