Bitcointalk mixer ban, Altcointalk is active in that scope.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I'm pretty sure that the Altcointalk admins are very much aware of what's happening here they clearly stated their stand that they will welcome mixers promotion in their forum, this is a welcome development for the mixing industry and for posters, they could only follow Bitcointalk's stance if there at least two or three mixers that become notorious as money launderers so far all the mixing that's going to make a campaign there next year are all doing good and there are no big issues like what happen to Sinbad.
We never know if Altcointalks become the marketing platform of mixers, we'll know that in the first 5 months.

Admins seem to get preferential treatment in signature campaigns on that forum. There is obviously some quid pro quo going on — it's not that they are doing it for free speech or some other virtuous reason. They have a right to run their forum however they please but it wouldn't come as any surprise if their domain got seized eventually. Participants should be aware that by using centralized services there may come a point where their BTC is considered tainted and will be questioned as to the source of their funds.

While having alternatives to Bitcointalk is a positive thing, altcointalk still needs a lot of improvement in terms of quality. Last time I visited it was full of spam and poorly translated content. Most of their users seem to be from regions lacking in economic opportunities and aren't very fluent in english. It is perhaps not the best place to be advertising a mixer but at this point these services might have to settle with what they can get and hope it turns out favorably.

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[robelneo]

While having alternatives to Bitcointalk is a positive thing, altcointalk still needs a lot of improvement in terms of quality. Last time I visited it was full of spam and poorly translated content. Most of their users seem to be from regions lacking in economic opportunities and aren't very fluent in english. It is perhaps not the best place to be advertising a mixer but at this point these services might have to settle with what they can get and hope it turns out favorably.

There's going to be a positive effect, the teleport feature that the altcoin talk team implemented a few months ago is a means to improve the content of their platform by giving good posters here incentives to transfer their activity from this forum to their forum and the mixing ban here is some sort of blessing in disguise for Altcoinstalk.
Maybe this is the opportunity they need to be competitive, they already have their token as incentives but a weekly payout from mixing campaigns is what will make Altcointalk a desirable place for forum content creators.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Maybe this is the opportunity they need to be competitive, they already have their token as incentives but a weekly payout from mixing campaigns is what will make Altcointalk a desirable place for forum content creators.

Weekly payment of less than half of what was paid here, don't forget. The only way I see a significant amount of traffic going to that forum is if the payments on this one are reduced and/or on that forum increased. At first some people might even combine accounts on both forums, which would be like having your main account and an alt account but without having to build it up.

[Bounty Bro]

Maybe this is the opportunity they need to be competitive, they already have their token as incentives but a weekly payout from mixing campaigns is what will make Altcointalk a desirable place for forum content creators.

Weekly payment of less than half of what was paid here, don't forget. The only way I see a significant amount of traffic going to that forum is if the payments on this one are reduced and/or on that forum increased. At first some people might even combine accounts on both forums, which would be like having your main account and an alt account but without having to build it up.

Altcointalk is completely messed up site.
Horrible structure,
Many sections and arrangement of sections don't make sense,
To many sections,
Sections about each shit coin,
Needless explanation texts as default setting,
Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

[KingsDen]

Do you agree with what I think? We found that the altcointalk forum was not that active even a few days ago. But now altcointalk forum is very active as professional manager is running signature campaign. People run after their own interests.

People run after their own interest and people also follow the trend. The people running to Altcoinstalks is not all about money, but to also have a better sit incase the forum will turn into a major force in the future.

Now if this BitcoinTalk forum is not allowed to conduct any kind of signature campaign, will everyone be active in this forum as it is now? No one posts here without profit, everyone has a signature code on their account, there are only a handful of people left.

People will still be here. The only scenario here will be deserted is when the domain is no longer accessible. If signature campaign is banned, the traffic cannot reduce more than 60©

Well am I just here to gain knowledge in this bitcointalk forum? Are you also just here to gain knowledge? I won't say, no one comes to this forum to gain knowledge, signature is the only goal besides gaining knowledge. I also have a goal in the future to grow my account and try to join signature campaigns.

Someone who invited me here so my quality posts in facebook, and told me he will introduce me to a forum where I will be paid for posting. But when I joined this forum, I fell inlove with the knowledge acquired here. Infact, I became a full member with very high merits but refused to join signature untill I learnt alot. Learning, teaching and earning is the best formula

Discontinuing the mixer campaign on the BitcoinTalk forum has had one benefit, that is, the activation of the altcointalk forum.

It's a goodnews, it's always good to have an alternative.

[Beparanf]

Altcointalk is completely messed up site.
Horrible structure,
Many sections and arrangement of sections don't make sense,
To many sections,
Sections about each shit coin,
Needless explanation texts as default setting,
Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

Probably because you have different preference. It’s a forum dedicated for altcoins so it’s obvious that they will have many sections since altcoins has a vast scope compared to Bitcoin.

I agree that Altcointalk forum is kinda messy when you compared it to Bitcointalk because this forum is made plain and simple but there’s always a room for improvement to correct the flaws especially now that there’s some user that teleported in there. I don’t see it as a competitor but rather just a different forum dedicated for altcoin since altcoin discussion here is too generalized due to lack of section and category while there’s tons of altcoins.

[Bounty Bro]

Altcointalk is completely messed up site.
Horrible structure,
Many sections and arrangement of sections don't make sense,
To many sections,
Sections about each shit coin,
Needless explanation texts as default setting,
Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

Probably because you have different preference. It’s a forum dedicated for altcoins so it’s obvious that they will have many sections since altcoins has a vast scope compared to Bitcoin.

I agree that Altcointalk forum is kinda messy when you compared it to Bitcointalk because this forum is made plain and simple but there’s always a room for improvement to correct the flaws especially now that there’s some user that teleported in there. I don’t see it as a competitor but rather just a different forum dedicated for altcoin since altcoin discussion here is too generalized due to lack of section and category while there’s tons of altcoins.

Altcointalk discussion activity is very low and most activitiy is probably originating from new signature campaigns now. Maybe new activity will reviwe Altcointalk.
Where I agree to you: internet has many forums for different topics and Altcoin discussion might be attractive opposed to Bitcoin discussion.

since altcoin discussion here is too generalized due to lack of section and category while there’s tons of altcoins.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Secondly altcointalk is hosted outside the U.S jurisdiction, it's one of the safest forum out there. Something theymos should have done a long time ago.

I don't know why theymos can't change the hosting location. It's not a very hard job at all.

Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

It must be a heaven for the gamblers.

[Igebotz]

Secondly altcointalk is hosted outside the U.S jurisdiction, it's one of the safest forum out there. Something theymos should have done a long time ago.

I don't know why theymos can't change the hosting location. It's not a very hard job at all.

I'm not sure why the Satoshi old forum moved to the US server, and with all the shady limitations and legislation in the US, theymos never considered shifting the server location to somewhere much safer. I admire the admin of the ATL forum and his dedication to data security.

Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

It's work in progress, alot of reshuffling is currently going on and sooner or later BTT will have a serious competition

[robelneo]

Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

It's work in progress, alot of reshuffling is currently going on and sooner or later BTT will have a serious competition

I believe it is and this could be the breakthrough I wonder if this is still enforced and if many are aware of this especially those who are teleported checking Altcoin talk they already have a large banner advertising on their homepage

[PrivacyG]

2024 will be an interesting year nonetheless.  I wonder how things will change for Bitcoin Talk and particularly Altcoin Talk.  They are getting a lot more activity now but I wonder if authorities will do anything about either of them.

I can imagine most Bitcoin Talk users will only create an account there for the Signature Campaigns which barely pay any thing anyway.  There is a lot more activity but not much at all compared to how active Bitcoin Talk is, which means you either earn little to nothing or you spam Altcoin Talk to reach maximum post quota.

Even if Altcoin Talk is hosted outside of The United States, I think their domain can get banned in the United States and even Europe.  If this ever happens it means there is a clear crack down on Mixers.  At least we can now see some body else risking it so we can see if there will be any consequence in the end at all.

[aoluain]

Now if this BitcoinTalk forum is not allowed to conduct any kind of signature campaign, will everyone be active in this forum as it is now? No one posts here without profit, everyone has a signature code on their account, there are only a handful of people left.

Its only Mixer campaigns which are getting banned, its a decision which has been made,
its not a requirement "yet", its like a preemptive decision in order to preserve the forum as
an entity. Here is the first paragraph from the announcement.

Bitcointalk.org aims to allow about as much freedom as is reasonably possible. But this is not a darknet forum, and with mixers looking "grayer and grayer", it's no longer reasonably possible to allow linking to mixers. Even though "a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal," a clear pattern has emerged where mixers pop up, last for a little while, and then get taken down by law enforcement once they get too big. Allowing mixers to be posted on bitcointalk.org before they seemingly-inevitably get declared illegal and seized is not sustainable. Therefore, promoting mixers will no longer be allowed, similarly to how darknet sites are already disallowed.

As regards the altcointalk forum and people switching their activity to that maybe
these scenarios will happen:

a.) Only a minority will move their activity and there wont be a "brain drain" to affect BCT
because most of the top quality posters will remain here.

b.) Because of point a. above those who initially move to ACT will eventually migrate back
to BCT because this is where the vast majority of active members and general chat will remain.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

@op, it's important you know that altcoinstalks have been in existence as far as 2018 of earlier, the only thing was and still is that, they do not drive the kind of traffic bitcointalk drives, the altcointalk forum have been pretty active, just that it can't be compared to bitcointalk, there have been times some managers tried running signature campaign over there, but later left due to lack of enough activity.

It is true to say that, signature campaign is among the force that has been keeping this forum pretty active, but understand that, if for whatever reason, signature campaign is totally scrapped from this forum, true that many will become inactive here and active where the signature campaigns have moved to, but then, rest assured that this forum can never abandoned, those who will continue to be active here will still be active even in the absences of signature ad campaign.

And for the record, I do not know about others, but I myself am here to learn, and as well teach, and nothing is wrong earning a few dollars while learning, in your office where you work, you learn a new thing everything, and you still get paid salary at the end of the month, it's same thing here.

[Igebotz]

I can imagine most Bitcoin Talk users will only create an account there for the Signature Campaigns which barely pay any thing anyway.  There is a lot more activity but not much at all compared to how active Bitcoin Talk is, which means you either earn little to nothing or you spam Altcoin Talk to reach maximum post quota.

Rome wasn't built in a day; The forum got less spammy after the introduction of the merit system, while activity on BTT skyrocketed after the introduction of the signature campaign. Prior to these two developments, life was a living horror here . ATL forum might experience this same or not

Even if Altcoin Talk is hosted outside of The United States, I think their domain can get banned in the United States and even Europe.  If this ever happens it means there is a clear crack down on Mixers.  At least we can now see some body else risking it so we can see if there will be any consequence in the end at all.

The BTT domain has been banned in Russia and other parts of the world for quite some time, but we still have them here via VPN. U.S citizens could do the same.

[pakhitheboss]

I went ahead and created my account on that platform in 2021. There are a few users from this forum who are legends here and on that forum. That doesn't mean that forum was buzzing with activities.

BTT is better than the other forum being discussed in this thread. There are certain regulations and a few user based investigation that make the forum more suitable to generate quality content.

Above all it is not right to question BTT only because a certain signature campaign is getting banned next year by OP. Atleast Theymos preferred the existence of forum first than a signature campaign.

For some of us it might be stooping to the US, while it is for me is nothing but a phase that will pass on in the future. As it is not possible for the government to stop what is meant to happen in the future.

[MusaMohamed]

Above all it is not right to question BTT only because a certain signature campaign is getting banned next year by OP. Atleast Theymos preferred the existence of forum first than a signature campaign.

It is only ban on mixer signature campaigns and mixer announcement threads on the forum.

Signature campaigns from non mixer companies will be allowed.

theymos even can do more, ban all signatures and signature campaigns if he sees post quality is very low because of signature campaigns.

What are everyone's ideas for improving post quality?

I have mostly ruled out:

 - Removing signatures or sig ads globally.

[TheUltraElite]

theymos even can do more, ban all signatures and signature campaigns if he sees post quality is very low because of signature campaigns.

Post quality had gone low much earlier and the Merit system was brought in for that. It has improved post quality after enforcement but it has its own nuances. Banning signature campaigns is something theymos will not do - because the point has been brought up many times and admin knows that the maximum source of traffic on this forum is from campaigns.

I can only imagine some users running on campaign on this forum and another on another forum. I can only make time for one so hats off to those people and I appreciate the hard work on their side.

Its a personal decision whether to move to a different site just because they are allowing signatures and we should let people have that liberty to take such decisions.

[EarnOnVictor]

Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

It's work in progress, alot of reshuffling is currently going on and sooner or later BTT will have a serious competition

I believe it is and this could be the breakthrough I wonder if this is still enforced and if many are aware of this especially those who are teleported checking Altcoin talk they already have a large banner advertising on their homepage

I have heard of this teleporting of a thing and I must say that it is a serious concern as to how this is possible and for what reason. Is it for the M!xer's money?

Regardless, the forum that will be like BTCt must do a whole lot, and if it eventually happens, then good luck, after all, a signature campaign for example has the BTCt as its pioneer and any competition is always welcome. But one sure thing is that it is these people here who can give the altcoin forum that needs relevance, but with time, one will still realize that this place is better.

No matter what, many people would want to remain here and some people will have their double standard on the two forums as well. This means that the population of BTCt will remain and keep growing while some few people will only deviate to the other. Let's wait and see till the end of next year.

[Franctoshi]

I can only imagine some users running on campaign on this forum and another on another forum. I can only make time for one so hats off to those people and I appreciate the hard work on their side.

Its a personal decision whether to move to a different site just because they are allowing signatures and we should let people have that liberty to take such decisions.

It is an individual opinion, In as much as the member is active here and continues his/her quality contributions to the forum, I see no wrong in being a member here and also joining the Altcointalk forum, it bases on the individual's availability of time and effort to contribute in both platforms. If they can do it, fine, but I think it will take some members teleporting to the platform time to adapt to the Altcointalk platform because it may lack some features available here on the platform that makes posting easy.

[libert19]

Oh c'mon look here, almost everyone is wearing signatures in this thread, and every single one's response is worth to read. People are earning money, forum is getting traffic, projects are getting visibility — when everyone is getting what they want why should one shoot in the foot by banning signatures?

Congrats to altcointalk, but Bitcointalk will remain on throne as in Bitcoin and altcoins.

Edit:

I have heard of this teleporting of a thing and I must say that it is a serious concern as to how this is possible and for what reason. Is it for the M!xer's money?

Teleporting thing was announced long before in 2020, it was posted here as well. Seems to be manual process, and no sensitive info is shared.