Is WinTomato casino SCAM?

[Wiwo]

I got one referral on WinTomato ,referral comission dropped in pending referral comissionm about 60% so more then 60% of my referral comission dissapear and I go to unclaimed referral comission balance 60% smaller amount LOL.Also I got 2nd referral and I got 0 points at Referrals betting level group.In FAQ from WinTomato it doesnt write any rules about how much minimum bet should be from referral to get points to get bigger level for faster betting on dice.

WinTomato started to look like for me like some kinda of Ponzi Scheme. I wish that I am wrong 

If there was any problem other than referral commission, I might have believed it, but since the problem here is with referral commission, I can't declare this as a scam. Maybe you are missing some things that are not covered by their commission. If you were properly covered by the commission then surely you would have received the referral commission.  If it was a scam, many customers like you would come here and leave negative comments. So you should never base your decision on a platform being ethical.

One of the things that those that involved in referral programmes fail to know is that there is a column in the terms and conditions of the referral programmes where that states that,  the casino has the right to give a member any percentage they deem fit,  so if they money and they rule,  you sign up to it anyways.

To gain a referral bonus you need to work your ass out making sure you have a huge number of gamblers that sign up under you and are actively wagering, that is the only way to accumulate enough to get an amount that is worth it at the end of the day.

[terciduk123]

Wintomato is actually a casino I personally do not trust, though I can't categorically refer to them as a scam, I do not trust them due to some previous cases where some user here had some scam allegations against them, though the issues were said to have been resolved, my spirit will not just see the casino as one I am willing to use or play on.

And coming back to referrals and commission, I would suggest you read their terms and conditions regarding that area and see what they said about that, there is no way they wont have some rules and guidelines written down in their terms and conditions concerning affiliate marketing and commissions, or better still, contact their customer care to help look into your care and see what exactly is wrong and why you are not getting your deserved commission.

This is what and all I can suggest for now.

I readed couple times their TOS and FAQ and they dont explain there rules about Referrals betting level.

Depends on the total bets count of referrals. Maximum 125000 Points (10000000 bets).

My referral did thausands of bets and got 0 points for level up account,I just had conversation with Juan1500 and that is the most worst moderator ever on casino.On other crypto dice casinos where I was active moderators was nice to me and explained me rules here this moderator even dont want to give a answer even if answer isnt in FAQ or TOS.

I would suggest you to contact the admin or their team regarding your complaint, but  you have made every effort to discuss your complainant with WinTomato.


I understand your complaint, you gained red trust because spreading referral links through PM, maybe the link referred to WinTomato? So after you work hard, even until you get the red trust, but don't get the reward you're supposed to get?

[iv4n]

If you look at the trust feedback of wintomato account, efialtis made a feed back that the casino is not honoring its affiliate deal



The red trust given by efialtis shows that the casino is not new to this kind of activities.  So it is not surprising if the casino don't adhere their agreement to their users about the affiliate system payment.  The neutral tag is also somehow alarming too.

I readed couple times their TOS and FAQ and they dont explain there rules about Referrals betting level.

Depends on the total bets count of referrals. Maximum 125000 Points (10000000 bets).

My referral did thausands of bets and got 0 points for level up account,I just had conversation with Juan1500 and that is the most worst moderator ever on casino.On other crypto dice casinos where I was active moderators was nice to me and explained me rules here this moderator even dont want to give a answer even if answer isnt in FAQ or TOS.

Is it possible that the affiliate rewards reflect on whether the referred users gain and losses?  Anyway, with the kind of service the casino has, I would be avoiding this casino to prevent myself for further headache.

OP can look at their ANN thread, after the BTCGosu incident some of us asked them questions but we didn't get all the answers... what they did was fishy, and instead of clearing some things they decided to ignore all of us.

They had a good start, and I wanted to try them at one point but after this situation happened I decided not to. With so many casinos around and pretty big competition, casinos should be more straightforward in resolving some issues if they wish to attract more players, and of course to keep them on the site.

[dimonstration]

I got one referral on WinTomato ,referral comission dropped in pending referral comissionm about 60% so more then 60% of my referral comission dissapear and I go to unclaimed referral comission balance 60% smaller amount LOL.Also I got 2nd referral and I got 0 points at Referrals betting level group.In FAQ from WinTomato it doesnt write any rules about how much minimum bet should be from referral to get points to get bigger level for faster betting on dice.

Retroactive terms of affiliate is not a new issue anymore. IIRC they have problem with this same issue with BTCGosu which is one of the popular review site here for casino. I’m not sure if they are scam or not because I don’t play there but casino always put a small safety measure on their terms which is they have the right to change terms anytime they want.

Simply stay away on it if the teems is already unfair for you because Casino usually just make their affiliate commissions attractive at first then later on decrease it when they already have enough players while they share profits to referral in huge percentage.

[Xxmodded]

You need to check rule or term of service with referral commission are there allowed to withdraw as fund or you need to make wager firstly for raising how many turn over needed before withdrawing. Usually on other gambling platform, referral commission automatically become fresh fund without need wager or lock by gambling platform, allow to withdraw commission earn from referral with our gambling and casino platform promotion Stake.
Referral commission is reward appreciated from gambling platform when active advertising our link referral to social media or platform easily how to get referral, I think not fair when our fund from referral commission have lock and not available withdrawing before raising limit or minimum turn over.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

You need to check rule or term of service with referral commission are there allowed to withdraw as fund or you need to make wager firstly for raising how many turn over needed before withdrawing. Usually on other gambling platform, referral commission automatically become fresh fund without need wager or lock by gambling platform, allow to withdraw commission earn from referral with our gambling and casino platform promotion Stake.
Referral commission is reward appreciated from gambling platform when active advertising our link referral to social media or platform easily how to get referral, I think not fair when our fund from referral commission have lock and not available withdrawing before raising limit or minimum turn over.

Though I really struggled to understand what you meant, but I think I finally did and I sure agree with you, to get potential gamblers to sign up using our referral link is not always an easy task, I mean, this can actually be one of the most challenging task in the area of affiliate marketing, gambling casinos are not like exchanges, or possibly airdrops where it's very easy to find people who are ready to join through another user's referral like, simply because, airdrop is something or an event which every one likes and will want to participate in, most especially if the tasks are much and comes with an attractive reward.

But when it comes to gambling casinos, not everyone on the internet is interested in gambling, and even for those are interested, they probably might already have two or more casinos where they are playing, so, as such, it's not very easy to convince them the casinos they have been playing on since to join another, so in the end, casino that understand the level of stress it takes to get a referral, won't impose a wager requirement on the referral reward, it's a fund that is supposed to go straight to the user's account balance, and be made available for withdrawal if the user would like to withdraw it.

Wanting a user to reach a wager requirement before he or she can access his or her referral bonus is one of those things I refer to as being criminally minded, and such shouldn't be condoned.

[Xxmodded]

But when it comes to gambling casinos, not everyone on the internet is interested in gambling, and even for those are interested, they probably might already have two or more casinos where they are playing, so, as such, it's not very easy to convince them the casinos they have been playing on since to join another, so in the end, casino that understand the level of stress it takes to get a referral, won't impose a wager requirement on the referral reward, it's a fund that is supposed to go straight to the user's account balance, and be made available for withdrawal if the user would like to withdraw it.

Wanting a user to reach a wager requirement before he or she can access his or her referral bonus is one of those things I refer to as being criminally minded, and such shouldn't be condoned.

Promoting our referral link is not easy task and we need to give proof for all user want to sign up trough our wallet from trusted gambling platform site until educate them about deposit and withdrawal fund. I agree with you with some casino and gambling platform make criminality for user who earn fund from referral commission because they have work hard how to make their referral user want to make huge deposit fund. No required for raising wager minimum until some gambling platform have bad ideas for withdrawing fund pass turn over and bring bad impact for their platform in the future.

Any way, which one trusted gambling platform side offering with bigger reward commission regarding our referral fund deposit or wager accumulating? seems excited when having many active referral and earn passive income without do anything.

[tbterryboy]

You need to check rule or term of service with referral commission are there allowed to withdraw as fund or you need to make wager firstly for raising how many turn over needed before withdrawing. Usually on other gambling platform, referral commission automatically become fresh fund without need wager or lock by gambling platform, allow to withdraw commission earn from referral with our gambling and casino platform promotion Stake.
Referral commission is reward appreciated from gambling platform when active advertising our link referral to social media or platform easily how to get referral, I think not fair when our fund from referral commission have lock and not available withdrawing before raising limit or minimum turn over.

It doesn't make any sense if they have such a rule because you can't ask a person to complete a certain wagering requirement to be able to use or withdraw your referral commissions. After all, they are getting that commission for bringing a gambler on the platform who is wagering their money, and a casino pays a person from their referral's money which is the reason why you only get money when your referral makes some wagers and nothing before that.

Anyway, whatever the issue with OP is and whatever the rules of the platform are, the representative of the platform should have come in this thread and cleared the matter or at least given an explanation to OP for what has happened. This makes them look suspicious because they are hiding and not coming out to clear things and accusations about their platform and services.

[goaldigger]

Anyway, whatever the issue with OP is and whatever the rules of the platform are, the representative of the platform should have come in this thread and cleared the matter or at least given an explanation to OP for what has happened. This makes them look suspicious because they are hiding and not coming out to clear things and accusations about their platform and services.

They don't need to come here, they just need to reply to the concern of their players and that can be good.
Not all crypto gambling site are here, most of them are not aware of this platform at all, and seriously I'm not familiar about this site as well and they don't have promotion here. If the bonus is the issue here, then try to review their terms and if you think you din't do anything wrong, then contact their support again and raise your concern with proof.

[dothebeats]

I came across some complaints of users here on the said casino before, and idk if they were resolved or not. Never really followed the casino, though they've had a signature campaign here I believe. Anyway, just ping their support continuously and ask for an explanation. Don't bother if they eventually block you or not, but update here if they do so other people avoid them. No shady casinos deserve to operate here in this space. Hopefully they make it up to you, but I highly doubt it.

[BitcoinPanther]

They had a good start, and I wanted to try them at one point but after this situation happened I decided not to. With so many casinos around and pretty big competition, casinos should be more straightforward in resolving some issues if they wish to attract more players, and of course to keep them on the site.

Yeah I had tried their service at one point, that was when they just introduced their platform in the forum.  All is doing well since I have no problem with deposit and withdrawal at that point.  I even enjoy claiming their faucet and all works smoothly, until the issue with the BTCGosu appears.  By then I stopped playing on their platform since they did not solve the problems and the inquiries of members about what really happens.

It is somehow disappointing to witness forum users and platform players inquiries getting ignored so I thought that with the casino representative attitude, headache is pretty possible and i wanted to avoid that.

[Wiwo]

They have own forum but who knows if I will find answer on their casino and how much waste time to maybe even not find a answer after so much wasted time.

If they refuse to give the bonus after complying with the rules, then it can be a scam casino.
Try to reach out to their support, or try to do some research about that site and you might see similar situation. This is why I always gamble on a reputable site, as those small casinos have their unrealistic promotions just to attract gamblers, and don’t have the plan to release the reward at all.

we have to consider alot of things before declaring them scam,  although their trust profile already has a red tag to it and the offense is on something similar to this also which is why we may have some level of doubt in the casino to be possible scam,  although we have learned that many casinos already owns the right to paythey referral earners whatever amount they think is ok for them.

I think there should be a fixed amount in payment for referral earnings this way it will solve the crisis of payment infractions such as this case.

[lionheart78]

If they refuse to give the bonus after complying with the rules, then it can be a scam casino.
Try to reach out to their support, or try to do some research about that site and you might see similar situation. This is why I always gamble on a reputable site, as those small casinos have their unrealistic promotions just to attract gamblers, and don’t have the plan to release the reward at all.

we have to consider alot of things before declaring them scam,  although their trust profile already has a red tag to it and the offense is on something similar to this also which is why we may have some level of doubt in the casino to be possible scam,  although we have learned that many casinos already owns the right to paythey referral earners whatever amount they think is ok for them.

I think before the account is enrolled in their referral system, they have the binding terms and agreement to agreed with.  If the casino is not delivering what is promised then it is fall under fraud.  Since we do not have enough knowledge on how the affiliate system of Wintomato works, we can only speculate.  Hopefully the representative of the said casino give us some lights by replying on this thread.

I think there should be a fixed amount in payment for referral earnings this way it will solve the crisis of payment infractions such as this case.

Regardless, the casino should be bound by its own terms and should not modify or change it abruptly without prior notice.  This way the people who are in the affiliate system won't be surprised or caught unaware about the changes.

[davis196]

I got one referral on WinTomato ,referral comission dropped in pending referral comissionm about 60% so more then 60% of my referral comission dissapear and I go to unclaimed referral comission balance 60% smaller amount LOL.Also I got 2nd referral and I got 0 points at Referrals betting level group.In FAQ from WinTomato it doesnt write any rules about how much minimum bet should be from referral to get points to get bigger level for faster betting on dice.

WinTomato started to look like for me like some kinda of Ponzi Scheme.I wish that I am wrong 

I'm not an expert in this field, but in most cases the casinos state in their Terms of Service that they could change the commission levels and structure and the conditions of their affiliate/referral programs anytime they want. Participating in a referral or affiliate program means that you rely on the mercy of the casino to get your hard earned commissions. If the casino decides not to pay your commissions(or decides to lower your commissions), there's nothing you can do. That's why I think that most referral programs are a waste of time. You are making more money for the casino(by getting them new customers) and receiving peanuts as a commission.
I can't tell if Wintomato is a scam casino or not. I don't have any experience with them.

[arwin100]

They had a good start, and I wanted to try them at one point but after this situation happened I decided not to. With so many casinos around and pretty big competition, casinos should be more straightforward in resolving some issues if they wish to attract more players, and of course to keep them on the site.

Yeah I had tried their service at one point, that was when they just introduced their platform in the forum.  All is doing well since I have no problem with deposit and withdrawal at that point.  I even enjoy claiming their faucet and all works smoothly, until the issue with the BTCGosu appears.  By then I stopped playing on their platform since they did not solve the problems and the inquiries of members about what really happens.

It is somehow disappointing to witness forum users and platform players inquiries getting ignored so I thought that with the casino representative attitude, headache is pretty possible and i wanted to avoid that.

That's red flag already if a casino representative ignore those existing problems or inquiries since it means that they don't care much on their people. But since there's issue like what have raise up here plus the OP's case still not been taken care by them or they should put some clarifications regarding on what people want to ask here then I guess maybe its better to stop temporarily if some people play at their casino to avoid any further more issues to come. If they let this issue last for more days and those other issue exist I guess it could destroy their reputation since many might think about they are not good casino and this thinking or accusations may influence a lot of people to avoid their casino since they think about that this is scam.

[gunhell16]

I got one referral on WinTomato ,referral comission dropped in pending referral comissionm about 60% so more then 60% of my referral comission dissapear and I go to unclaimed referral comission balance 60% smaller amount LOL.Also I got 2nd referral and I got 0 points at Referrals betting level group.In FAQ from WinTomato it doesnt write any rules about how much minimum bet should be from referral to get points to get bigger level for faster betting on dice.

WinTomato started to look like for me like some kinda of Ponzi Scheme.I wish that I am wrong 

If there was any problem other than referral commission, I might have believed it, but since the problem here is with referral commission, I can't declare this as a scam. Maybe you are missing some things that are not covered by their commission. If you were properly covered by the commission then surely you would have received the referral commission.  If it was a scam, many customers like you would come here and leave negative comments. So you should never base your decision on a platform being ethical.

You are right in what you are saying: when users of a casino's platform are not given what they deserve, it can be considered scamming their client users.

But if it's just an accusation and no strong evidence can be shown, it turns out that they're just defaming the casino platform, right? Because it will turn out that in the end, if there is no evidence, it will just be a rumor or a false allegation in a casino. Though I'm not defending Wintomato,.

[AbuBhakar]

You are right in what you are saying: when users of a casino's platform are not given what they deserve, it can be considered scamming their client users.

But if it's just an accusation and no strong evidence can be shown, it turns out that they're just defaming the casino platform, right? Because it will turn out that in the end, if there is no evidence, it will just be a rumor or a false allegation in a casino. Though I'm not defending Wintomato,.

Wintomato has an active issue against @efialtis which is a reputable member here that involves on casino industry. They have almost same issue with OP which wintomato doesn’t honor their referral commission percentage agreement. Reading this thread remind me about the issue and makes me believe that OP has the right to make an accusation against this casino.

You can check the trust history of wintomato for the negative feedback sent to them. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3346646

[PX-Z]

You are right in what you are saying: when users of a casino's platform are not given what they deserve, it can be considered scamming their client users.

But if it's just an accusation and no strong evidence can be shown, it turns out that they're just defaming the casino platform, right? Because it will turn out that in the end, if there is no evidence, it will just be a rumor or a false allegation in a casino. Though I'm not defending Wintomato,.

Wintomato has an active issue against @efialtis which is a reputable member here that involves on casino industry. They have almost same issue with OP which wintomato doesn’t honor their referral commission percentage agreement. Reading this thread remind me about the issue and makes me believe that OP has the right to make an accusation against this casino.

Yes, the same thing i said to OP when he posted on BTCGUSO thread which managed by efialtis. The OP has a point of complaining it's experience but opening a scam accusation is a different story and needs valid proofs from his side. On the other side, it doesn't change the fact that wintomato have a habit of disregarding their affiliate partners which is not good in any way.

[alani123]

This isn't only a risk with new casinos, it's also an existing risk with existing established casinos.

Cloudbet did something to me when they were already very reputable.
For you to get everything you are actually owed, you would need to go with a very very reputable casino but oftentimes an issue with these is that everyone has an account already. So it's hard to get proper leads.

[CryptSafe]

OP after reading through, I had to check for myself to see the wintomato profile and I noticed some trust issues with the wintomato account to be facing some allegations which they have not answered. Therefore I would not be able to really give them a clean or clear stand here and looking at the replies from other members, then it is obvious that wintomato can not be trusted. Looking at your complaints, it is obvious that you might likely not get any resolution but I would advise you watch clearly while observing your stay with them.
Lastly, I will advise you move this topic to scam board as it does looks cool here.