GazetaBitcoin and his shenanigans.

[AB de Royse777]

GazetaBitcoin if you are thinking I am not aware of what you send to my clients then you are wrong. My clients are closely connected with me and for them you are nobody but just a forum member. I am gonna drop the whole message that was sent so that everyone can see the real character of GazetaBitcoin.

~snip~

I am coming back to you on this thread, as you did not reply to me anymore.

However, this is not the main issue here. The main issue is the fact that you shared my PM with Royse without my authorization. You shared a personal and confidential discussion with a third party. It does not matter that Royse is your campaign manager. He could be theymos himself and it still would not matter. Sharing confidential conversations it's just out of the line. Out of any line of decency.

Perhaps you wanted to ask him about what would be his decision of having a custom deal with me. But it really doesn't matter. If you wanted to ask for his opinion you should have asked it without sharing the personal and confidential discussion I had with you.

Furthermore, after you did this terrible move, he made a gesture which shows again what a low person he is: he shared my PM in public. If you'll read the linked post you'll see there our conversation, word by word! This is very gross. I hope you realize that by your self. So because of you, my PM, which is a personal message, now it is public. Royse tries to earn merits and build his popularity on the material you provided, which is a material he should have never received in first place!

Besides the fact that what he did shows zero common sense and decency, he also plagiarized me. He published my PM without my consent. (Needless to mention, plagiarism breaks forum rule 33: Posting plagiarized content is not allowed). And, as all these were not enough, his topic is not even meant to be useful for anyone. All what he did was to hit me and icopress (if you'll read his post you'll see that he made public some PMs of icopress as well). And he announced he will do something miserable before writing that post.

Prior that that moment he threatened us both icopress and me once more:

Don't consider yourself the center of the business. You and GazetaBitcoin really needs a break. Don't force me to go bad and expose what you two do behind the scene (the template, scripts - guess what I mean).

I did not know what he had in mind, as what he did is just unthinkable. It's ridiculous, gross and it only makes him lose credibility in front of people, since all will think twice if they should ever PM him again or if they'll work with him, since he is publishing PMs without consent. And, once again, this happened only because you shared a private conversation between you and me with him -- without my consent.

Other users also reacted to this miserable gesture:

Royse777 it is wrong for you to bring a private chats to the public and that shows that you can't be a good counsellor to counsel someone who needs advise from you in PM. And some of this forum members will not have confidence in you with their PMs. [...] This will create fear for some users to pm you because their thoughts now, you will publish their PMs and they might not like that and with that you have loss a confidence from those users.

Needless to mention, this Royse, which you hired as a manager, has no manners, no respect for other campaign managers. Here, for example, he talked with no respect about Hhampuz, which is one of oldest campaign managers of the forum.

He was involved already in 2 proven scams so far. First is Sinbad, which was shut down by authorities and now he does not pay the campaign participants (not even when a feasible solution was proposed to him). His second involvement with a scam was with BitLucy and this is already reflected as negative feedbacks from DT on his Trust page:

Promoting and even being part of a shady crypto casino. Poor management, poor excuses with various withdrawal requests not having ever been executed for weeks.

This user has serious anger management issues and avoids answering questions about their full involvement in the Royse777/Bitlucy scam.

Has refused to return funds to all victims citing fake KYC requirements and was campaign manager and self declared "Co-Partner and Marketing Director" in the Royse777/Bitlucy scam

Read previous feedback or click link for details about the Bitlucy scam. Unacceptable conduct from a campaign manager. In this situation negligent management cannot be excused by mitigating circumstances or previous forum post history.

As you can see above, with Sinbad it was not the first time when he refused to pay campaign participants. He did it with BitLucy participants as well.

And let's also not forget the fact that he was banned for sending unsolicited PMs.

He is a very conflictual person, starting multiple threads for the conflicts he had with reputable users of the forum  (like Royse v Poker Player; Royse v icopress (+ the fact that he locked that thread suddenly, with no explanation); Royse v TimeLord (where he did not even realize that he's complaining for a feedback left by a non-DT user, which does not influence his Trust score anyhow); Royse v JollyGood and so on.

Last, but not least, he always brags himself around with how much money he has (and which do not belong to him); he brags himself for running best paying campaign (which lasted 10 days) etc.

So this is the manager you hired. Are you proud of your decision?

And are you proud of what you did?

I am eagerly looking for your reply.

Gazeta.

My only one question. A character like this is good to be in DT?

[twiki]

You gotta be kidding me  I saw the last thread you created and I think you're the only one not behaving too well.

[digaran]

Damn, I warned him two weeks ago to watch out for karma, as he was following symm's behaviour step by step, but you gotta tell the truth even if it ends bad for you. The only one time you should lie is when your life is at stake.

The fact that icosomething offered to take in the stolen money, GB then thinking that was a good offer, others such as bounty sis also trying to persuade you into believing that you should spend the stolen funds just to pay the participants, means 1 thing IMO, they all are a part of a large sig farm and had many accounts on sinbad campaign, otherwise those innocent participants backed off and never mentioned anything about the payments again.

This also indicates that such people have no moral code in life to follow, they would do all it takes to earn money by all means necessary.
When you send PMs for any reason, you should consider this, even if nobody finds out, God knows the truth, if you always consider that, then you'd never send such PMs to people to go behind their backs and damage their reputations.

I have also heard that icosomething had sent out PMs to some DT members to manipulate the trust system, hopefully those DTs come clean and reveal the truth to show the unmasked faces of such shady people to everyone.

[notblox1]

My clients are closely connected with me and for them you are nobody but just a forum member. I am gonna drop the whole message that was sent so that everyone can see the real character of GazetaBitcoin.

That means that you are someone very important or VIP, and all other members are nobody and they are below you?
Did Gazeta said something that is not true or did he lied about something?
And to be fair you contacted clients from other managers if I remember correctly.

My only one question. A character like this is good to be in DT?

Do you think you deserve to be in DT after all that happened with campaigns you managed?
I guess everyone else is against poor you as you are creating topics like this all the time.
Good luck tilting at windmills.  

[1miau]

After all, the only conclusion that can be drawn from OP is following conclusion:

GazetaBitcoin's PM is 100% true that a PM sent to Royse777 et al. is not a PrivateMessage anymore:

I did not know what he had in mind, as what he did is just unthinkable. It's ridiculous, gross and it only makes him lose credibility in front of people, since all will think twice if they should ever PM him again or if they'll work with him, since he is publishing PMs without consent.

It's more like a PM (as it will get published in Beginners & Help or Reputation sooner or later).


I don't know if OP noticed that creating this whole new topic here now is basically a confirmation that all of the points what GazetaBitcoin outlined in the PM are true (once again a PM published by Royse777 without any permission and therefore violating GazetaBitcoin's privacy repeatedly):

Furthermore, after you did this terrible move, he made a gesture which shows again what a low person he is: he shared my PM in public. If you'll read the linked post you'll see there our conversation, word by word! This is very gross. I hope you realize that by your self. So because of you, my PM, which is a personal message, now it is public. Royse tries to earn merits and build his popularity on the material you provided, which is a material he should have never received in first place!

So, everyone who's sending a PM to Royse777 is at risk to suffer a big breach of privacy, of confidential information that was mutually agreed to be available only for 2 people ("PrivateMessage" but because Royse777 is publishing "P"M's repeatedly (it's not the first time), PrivateMessages will possibly become available for the whole world (8,000,000,000 people instead of 2).
Especially on a Bitcoin forum, such privacy breaches are very concerning.

So after all the topic trying to look like an inspirational one really just had nefarious intentions - to slander icopress and GazetaBitcoin. Is managing campaigns really that boring that attacking other forum members is a side hustle now?

[digaran]

Look who decided to show up here!
Publishing PMs to prevent further damage/loss in the future is a really good thing to do, it's called protecting the community, is there anything wrong in those PMs? is it now a bad thing that the whole world can read those PMs? Why is it a bad thing, after all they contain nothing shady, am I right? Of course they contain shenanigans, now everyone involved in such shenanigans will be worried and would try to discredit Royse for publishing them.

But don't be surprised when you go after someone's business, they have all the rights to defend themselves. If PMs contained a personal secret such as a family issue, revealing it would be bad, but those PMs contain no such information. It's good to warn people about it, did you guys see what happened to symm? Now imagine if he could get away with hundreds of thousands of $ if he was acting as escrow. Feel me?

[Vod]

The community needs to come up with a set of rules for escrows and any other person that holds coins intended for others. 
To misuse the coins for any other purpose is embezzlement, and the "legal team" would have mentioned that right away.

 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'm not gonna step into this shit without my muck boots on, but I did want to clarify a post I made in another thread:

I know who you're referring to here and even a few details about what you're talking about, even if other might not.  Speaking for myself only, I'm not taking sides in any feud between you and the other party <snip>

Seems I was absolutely incorrect about who Royse777 was talking about, and I don't think I had any part in this beef between campaign managers. 

OK, I'll dip my sandals.  PMs ought not be published like this IMO.  That said, I believe I'm guilty of posting some spammers' or shitposters' PMs in the past but I have repented before Buddha, rubbed his belly and rotated them rosary beads clockwise.  I've been washed in the blood of the lamb.  Not a good practice, especially when the PMs are coming from an active, senior member of the forum.

The community needs to come up with a set of rules for escrows and any other person that holds coins intended for others. 
To misuse the coins for any other purpose is embezzlement, and the "legal team" would have mentioned that right away.

Vod, you know that hasn't happened yet and you've been here longer than most members have been of legal drinking age.  It's doubtful any set of rules is going to be adopted and adhered to.  It's a free-for-all and always has been.

[suchmoon]

I'm still confused as to what the etiquette is regarding PMs to someone's clients. It's seems to be either perfectly acceptable or totally inappropriate to send such PMs, seemingly based on a complex formula involving lunar phases and tea leaves. I assume publishing someone's PMs is contingent to similarly elaborate "rules".

[digaran]

Good you are not biting, therefore unignored you to respond.
Going behind people's backs is wrong, if you can do better than your competition, prove it publicly, not via PM, but poaching( I know it's not the correct term to use ) clients is accepted behaviour if it's done fairly and publicly, here is why:

In every business, you have to compete all the time, how do you do that? By providing the better product than the others.
What would be bad is to spread lies and try to defame the competition.

Royse is a cheap manager, instead of advertising his "better" services, he  went the cheapest route possible, but did he accuse the competition of fraud and scam without evidence? If yes, then he's just a scum, if no, then he is just a cheap inexperienced businessman.
On the other hand, GB bragging about getting merits and recognition from admins, DTs etc, while trying to act as escrow and persuade businesses to hire him for advertising their services is bound for disastrous results, that's called taking advantage, not a trustworthy move IMO.   But that's all, my opinion. How people will react and deal with GB from now on, is up to them.

Don't forget the case about sinbad payment offer to resolve the issue, icopress and GB offering a deal to publicly and blatantly circumvent a US sanction on that escrow address, while royse identity is known, that seems to be a dirty trick to get him in trouble, don't you think?

[nutildah]

I'm still confused as to what the etiquette is regarding PMs to someone's clients. It's seems to be either perfectly acceptable or totally inappropriate to send such PMs, seemingly based on a complex formula involving lunar phases and tea leaves. I assume publishing someone's PMs is contingent to similarly elaborate "rules".

Both seem like bad business etiquette. Just my 2 cents.

[Vod]

I'm still confused as to what the etiquette is regarding PMs to someone's clients.

I would suggest a golden rule of "Keep the PM private, unless one party is misleading about the contents."  If someone is sent an unsolicited message, I feel it's fair game to post such a PM, but not once you have interacted with the person.  Then you refer to the golden rule. 

Going behind people's backs is wrong, if you can do better than your competition, prove it publicly, not via PM

I agree with this.   People flock to comparison websites.   Don't insult your competition, instead explain how you are better.

[LoyceV]

I don't get it: You complain about people sending a PM to "your clients" (and that's not the first time), but when it's convenient for you, you do the same thing!

My only one question. A character like this is good to be in DT?

I don't think someone on DT should publish other people's PMs.

For the record: publishing a PM is not plagiarism. It could be a copyright violation though.

[mrust_mobile]

Another new day, another new shenanigan. Grabbing my popcorn, don't go too fast and make it a 30 page topic immediately.


Shieet.

The dude who shared gazeta's PM with R777 did it again after receiving another message. There is no privacy in 2023, no need to wait till 2030 I guess.


All I see here people fighting for money. Campaigners fight basically.

"How dare you steal my clients!"

"How dare you talk to my clients!!"

Well, money is worth fighting for.

However, it is uncool to share PM's publicly. If you are going to fight shenanigans, fight them in equal terms. You got private information in a private message? That happens all the time in this forum. But posting it publicly, that takes it to another level. You can do something with the private information (not talking about this particular case, speaking in general) you got from your informer (other than sharing it publicly), just be smart about it.

[paid2]

The problem is, when you broadcast someone's PMs, you cross a red line.

I think it's normal that Gazeta isn't happy about that, and he absolutely has the right to write to whoever he wants, doesn't he?

I am even thinking that Gazeta is pretty cool regarding this ; if someone would publish my PMs, I think I would do a lot of noise about it.

[lovesmayfamilis]

OP, as always, you acted hastily. Yes, maybe you received a PM and realized that there was some kind of fuss going on behind your back. But if you are confident in your abilities, why once again create actions that, in my opinion, are not thoroughly thought out from all points of view? If you can handle your problems on your own, why prove it to everyone? Your clients will always stay with you if they are truly yours.
Once again, about strong people. They will not prove anything to anyone, knowing that they are right. But since you are worried, does that mean your clients may also doubt you?

It's time for everyone to start using private notes, which will be erased after reading.

[digaran]

Pst, madam, are you for real? Did you even read the PM in detail and completely? GB is calling Royse a scammer with 2 scam projects including sinbad campaign, so one has to wonder, are all their accusations like that? If you refuse to spend sanctioned funds to pay participants should you be accused of scam? Such a criteria to consider people scammer, should not be tolerated on DT.

But you know, I have a solution for all of that, make GB going through KYC before acting as escrow, other than that, this thread is enough evidence for public view to know who they are dealing with in the future.

@Royse777, has GB abused DT tags? If yes, present them, if not then a reasonable and decent DT should leave him a neutral tag linking to this topic, that's it. Important thing is that he is not a scammer. "yet"

[LoyceV]

It's time for everyone to start using private notes, which will be erased after reading.

That would be a great feature to add to the forum, with end-to-end encryption so Cloudflare can't read it anymore. But it won't stop people from screenshotting and still posting it.

[m2017]

OP, as always, you acted hastily. Yes, maybe you received a PM and realized that there was some kind of fuss going on behind your back. But if you are confident in your abilities, why once again create actions that, in my opinion, are not thoroughly thought out from all points of view? If you can handle your problems on your own, why prove it to everyone? Your clients will always stay with you if they are truly yours.
Once again, about strong people. They will not prove anything to anyone, knowing that they are right. But since you are worried, does that mean your clients may also doubt you?

This all looks like attempts to drown each other in each subsequent new topic, arguing with new evidence of the opponent’s dishonesty. This one looks like two rams with their horns facing each other on a bridge. Don't be offended for this comparison. The question is how long will this hostility and attempts to harm each other continue? Maybe we should concentrate on something useful and constructive, huh?

You made an interesting observation. Strong people have something to do and don't get down on all fours and bark back at dogs when they bark at them. Such an allegory. Worry is already an indicator of weakness.

It's time for everyone to start using private notes, which will be erased after reading.

PM burn after reading! It's time to ask Theymos to add a new function to the forum - as soon as the PM is opened, users will have 30 seconds to read it, after which the it will be automatically deleted. Of course, without the ability to take screenshots with third-party apps.

[yahoo62278]

It's time for everyone to start using private notes, which will be erased after reading.

That would be a great feature to add to the forum, with end-to-end encryption so Cloudflare can't read it anymore. But it won't stop people from screenshotting and still posting it.

If you are worried that what you send to someone might be published, maybe you shouldn't send it? I agree that royse should not have published the pm conversation and maybe the whole matter should have been handled privately. There are some instances where publishing a pm would be considered ok, but that's usually going to involve outing a scammer.