GazetaBitcoin and his shenanigans.

[Upgrade00]

If you are worried that what you send to someone might be published, maybe you shouldn't send it? I

In this instance you can't know who will and will not publish a private message, you just trust that experienced members will know better and will keep discussions private, between the parties involved in it.

There are some instances where publishing a pm would be considered ok, but that's usually going to involve outing a scammer.

This will not still count as proof enough cause the public cannot verify the content of the private message.

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[mikeywith]

PM burn after reading! It's time to ask Theymos to add a new function to the forum - as soon as the PM is opened, users will have 30 seconds to read it, after which the it will be automatically deleted.

That's a terrible idea, why would you delete PMs just because someone might publish them, like how often does this happen? is it even bad enough? most others would prefer PMs to stay there, I do some business on the forum and my PMs have some order details either me selling or buying something from other forum members, while I do keep all this info somewhere else "safer", I would like for them to stay there just in case something goes wrong both parties could go back and check since none of us can change the content of the messages (except the Admins obviously).

Of course, without the ability to take screenshots with third-party apps.

There is no such thing, you can't control people's hardware, they could always take screenshots, and videos, doesn't matter how hard you try to restrict that on a software level, they could always just use another phone to take a picture.

There is no point in automatically deleting them messages, besides forum's PMs aren't exactly private, they are sent in plain text, Cloudflare sees them, the receiver's email provider sees them, the forum admins do, and moderators can "if PMs are reported", also god knows if other devs who maintain the forum code (if they exist) can also see them.

It's fine to request an encrypted PM system just to stop those parties from viewing your PMs.

Of course, regardless of these messages not being exactly private, I still think it's wrong to publish them unless there is a strong purpose and that would be person A claiming that person B said something to or about them in a PM, person B denies that and asks person A to prove it, Person A is left with no other option.

In this incident, Royse could have said "GazetaBitcoin is PMing my clients and making x claims about me", without revealing the whole content like this, I also think GazetaBitcoin's PM to Royse's client is wrong, he has the right to complain to that client for sharing the message with Royse, but the accusation in the PM makes it seem so his goal is just to stop the client from doing business with Royse.

I now wonder, what started all of this between the two of you? I know that you two are reasonable folks, neither of you is a proven scammer or a troll, and neither of you used the trust system to punish the other person, so was it worth it to go this far? and how far are you willing to drag each other into this? I don't think any of you would manage to "destroy" the other person's reputation with all of this, you are probably just going to make things worse for both of you, maybe it's about time for peace talks?

[Vod]

PM burn after reading! It's time to ask Theymos to add a new function to the forum - as soon as the PM is opened, users will have 30 seconds to read it, after which the it will be automatically deleted. Of course, without the ability to take screenshots with third-party apps.

We need to invent a little box that plugs into a USB port, that can send a signal to nearby phones to deactivate their cameras.  Then we need to write a virus that can bypass HTML safeguards, and all done!

[Synchronice]

It's time for everyone to start using private notes, which will be erased after reading.

PM burn after reading! It's time to ask Theymos to add a new function to the forum - as soon as the PM is opened, users will have 30 seconds to read it, after which the it will be automatically deleted. Of course, without the ability to take screenshots with third-party apps.

First of all, I think that feature is not possible without JS but at the same time, it's possible to use Bitcointalk without javascript, so, it's meaningless to implement such a feature. Then, it's impossible to block 3rd party softwares from capturing a screen. Even if that was possible,  what if I am recording my screen with smartphone camera before I open the PM? Such a feature doesn't make sense.

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It's time for everyone to start using private notes, which will be erased after reading.

PM burn after reading! It's time to ask Theymos to add a new function to the forum - as soon as the PM is opened, users will have 30 seconds to read it, after which the it will be automatically deleted. Of course, without the ability to take screenshots with third-party apps.

First of all, I think that feature is not possible without JS but at the same time, it's possible to use Bitcointalk without javascript, so, it's meaningless to implement such a feature. Then, it's impossible to block 3rd party softwares from capturing a screen. Even if that was possible,  what if I am recording my screen with smartphone camera before I open the PM? Such a feature doesn't make sense.

Maybe we should introduce something more radical, to completely disable the ability to send PMs. This possibility seems to bring only problems. edit: sarcasm

Automatic deletion of PM is wrong for several reasons. For example, what if the message is long and I can't read it in those 30 seconds?
What kind of protection is there if I immediately forward it further?
For example, when I'm discussing with someone via PM, especially if it's about some trade or deal, I always send quotes along with the answer so that all parties are sure we're talking about the same thing because most often a deal can't be made in 30 seconds. And I would say that it is quite important as a possibility.

I'm not in favour of making public PMs, I guess there's a reason why they're called "private messages", but there are situations where it's necessary.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Where do you people get the guts to publish the other party's PM without their permission?

I would understand if it was a scammer or someone trying to spread malware.

And then this endless drama. It's not worth it. We found this forum and one day we shall leave it just like that. All these fights for power and signature campaigns won't matter. I like ignoring, It's the best medicine.

[JollyGood]

I agree with you, I also think he is the one not behaving himself. Royse777 has a habit of digging a hole and climbing in to it. What is he trying to achieve by bringing more unnecessary focus to a subject that really does not deserve it. He was attacking icopress and GazetaBitcoin in various threads recently and now he has created another one to extend the feud.

I would definitely question the manner in which Royse777 conducts himself as a campaign manager but have not contacted any prospective clients looking for a campaign manager to advise them to stay away from Royse777. If they read the feedback and believe the nonsense he feeds them about why he received negative tags unfairly (or via a vendetta), they deserve each other as far as I am concerned.

If Royse777 can write to promoters advising them to ditch icopress or any other campaign manager then he has lost the moral high ground when it comes to others writing to promoters that he works for therefore I have no idea why he is complaining at every opportunity about other members.

You gotta be kidding me   I saw the last thread you created and I think you're the only one not behaving too well.

[LoyceV]

Maybe we should introduce something more radical, to completely disable the ability to send PMs.

Removing a feature because someone who used the feature did something that's not even forbidden seems like a terrible solution.

[Igebotz]

Maybe we should introduce something more radical, to completely disable the ability to send PMs.

Removing a feature because someone who used the feature did something that's not even forbidden seems like a terrible solution.

Forum already provided a solution but most of us don't take it serious.

The Forum PM is not end to end encrypted and most managers have access to their clients accounts/PMs ( this is not a bad idea as most of the time they serve as ANN moderator). If one must send a confidential message he has to encrypt it or use another means. Nothing is private here.

Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages

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Removing a feature because someone who used the feature did something that's not even forbidden seems like a terrible solution.

This reminds me of banning some features on the forum because one [banned name] turned out to be bad. 

[Synchronice]

Maybe we should introduce something more radical, to completely disable the ability to send PMs. This possibility seems to bring only problems.

Why should we completely disable the ability to send PMs? It doesn't bring any problem. The problem only arises when someone publishes private message and absolutely nothing can solve that problem. Tell something to someone, send message to someone, any human can always reveal private info. The solution is not to prohibit communication.

The Forum PM is not end to end encrypted and most managers have access to their clients accounts/PMs ( this is not a bad idea as most of the time they serve as ANN moderator). If one must send a confidential message he has to encrypt it or use another means. Nothing is private here.

How can encryption save you from revealing your PM? First of all, people rarely use PGP, then, even if you send me PGP encrypted message, what stops me from revealing your PM? Or what stops me from sending it so someone else if they ask me to send? I don't do any of that but you got the point.

This reminds me of banning some features on the forum because one [banned name] turned out to be bad. 

Do you mean the mixer? That is a completely different scenario.

[Agbe]

@Royse777, You only create the thread without replying to the comments and now the thread is running to two pages. When someone creates a thread for important discussion then the author of the thread would follow up the thread and make replies in the thread. You created a thread for the forum users to sell themselves in the right way and you gave some examples which private PMs were used and also pinned points some of the things you wouldn't post for private purpose and for you, I have done bad and you create a thread inserted without any comment. I didn't against your thread over there and only said you wouldn't do that since it was a private chats but whereby the person permitted you or you have an issue and the forum needs evidence for you to clear yourself then you can publish it. But in that case you were advising the forum users to sell themselves so there was no need to bring out a confidential private chats to the public. I have not against you in anyway but only made some corrections. Don't be offended.

Till now I have not known why my name is highlighted here in the Op. Please can you make an input for me to know why?  You would have made a comment in the other thread to reply my comment instead of creating new topic for it.

And for the Pm, it will not be nice to remove it or giving some second for the text to be disappeared, there are some PMs that are good for future reference. And there are some vital information that are good to keep it there for future reading. Now it is left for the forum users to understand the uses and usage of the Pm then all will be well. Please don't expose another person secret with you, the matter what. Stay safe and Chat fair.

[Poker Player]

@Royse777, You only create the thread without replying to the comments and now the thread is running to two pages. When someone creates a thread for important discussion then the author of the thread would follow up the thread and make replies in the thread.

I think what Royse777 should do is change the thread title to "Discussion of private messages on the forum and possible alternatives" and move it to Meta, as the discussion this thread has been focusing on for days now has little to do with the title or any reputation, as was the original intent of the thread.

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Maybe we should introduce something more radical, to completely disable the ability to send PMs. This possibility seems to bring only problems.

Why should we completely disable the ability to send PMs? It doesn't bring any problem. The problem only arises when someone publishes private message and absolutely nothing can solve that problem. Tell something to someone, send message to someone, any human can always reveal private info. The solution is not to prohibit communication.

OK, I apologize, I edited that post and emphasized that I was trying to be sarcastic.

[JollyGood]

Regardless of what Royse777 decides to do with this thread, it is clear what type of mindset he has. We have to note this is not the first time he has engaged in such behaviour it will not be the last either. He seems to go through periodic cycles of creating threads in the Reputation board on matters that suit his agenda.

@Royse777, You only create the thread without replying to the comments and now the thread is running to two pages. When someone creates a thread for important discussion then the author of the thread would follow up the thread and make replies in the thread.

I think what Royse777 should do is change the thread title to "Discussion of private messages on the forum and possible alternatives" and move it to Meta, as the discussion this thread has been focusing on for days now has little to do with the title or any reputation, as was the original intent of the thread.

[Vod]

most managers have access to their clients accounts/PMs

Not here in Canada.  I was a IT manager for over 30 years and I never once gave a manager access to an employee's email.

[NotATether]

This drama is ridiculous. However, I wouldn't hold Sinbad against Royse. It could happen to any campaign manager. Although now with mixers being bad (banned) the probability of that happening is much lower.

They don't exactly receive information from their project managers that 40% of their activity is money laundering or something like that. After all, why would someone share that kind of information to their advertisers?

It's time for everyone to start using private notes, which will be erased after reading.

That would be a great feature to add to the forum, with end-to-end encryption so Cloudflare can't read it anymore. But it won't stop people from screenshotting and still posting it.

End-to-end encryption already exists, it's literally PGP but nobody uses it:

Note: PM privacy is not guaranteed. Encrypt sensitive messages.

[LoyceV]

They don't exactly receive information from their project managers that 40% of their activity is money laundering or something like that. After all, why would someone share that kind of information to their advertisers?

If (and I'm speculating here) Sinbad was created by a bad actor looking for privacy minded people to exchange their illicit funds, it could very well be 100% of the signature payments came from the wrong side of the law.

End-to-end encryption already exists, it's literally PGP but nobody uses it:

PGP isn't very convenient to use. And it won't stop the receiver from publishing the message.

[notblox1]

This drama is ridiculous. However, I wouldn't hold Sinbad against Royse. It could happen to any campaign manager. Although now with mixers being bad the probability of that happening is much lower.

They don't exactly receive information from their project managers that 40% of their activity is money laundering or something like that. After all, why would someone share that kind of information to their advertisers?

This was public information and everyone knew that sinbad was just rebranded mixer with different name.
If you look the history how this manager handled his previous campaigns you will find many big mistakes.
Now he is blaming Gazeta for talking with his clients, and he is doing the same thing with clients from other managers.
Gazeta is not even a manager  

[NeuroticFish]

I am gonna drop the whole message that was sent so that everyone can see the real character of GazetaBitcoin.

I will start with the fact that I guess you know that I do trust you. However, here you're doing it wrong.
Yes, I've seen some of the posts he has made fun* of your advertising. But instead of you letting it go (we do know that advertising must be taken with a couple of grains of salt*), ... we ended up here, with publishing PMs


* I tried to say it nice enough about both; I don't like to see pretty much 3 people I esteem end up in a stupid fight about... umm.. what?