So I have an interesting problem.

[philipma1957]

Mixers were banned I ended my mixer ad today to be sure I was early.

I wanted to post  in services that I will rent signature and other spaces.

I read loyce's  and based my ad explaining I based it on his ad and I ask for advice.  He thought the format was not correct and that I needed to

change it or it could be plagiarism .

It is why I asked as I knew I should be able to require and say a few things as should anyone else selling their space.

So I rewrote the post.

here is new thread.

I will be available on Jan 1 2024. I would take BTC LTC or DOGE
I am renting my avatar, my signature and my text under my avatar.
All three for you.
With a two month minimum rental.


I usually post more than 80 posts a week closer to 400 posts a month.


Payment can be fixed in Bitcoin,LTC,Doge or dollars, but has to be in crypto.

I prefer to be paid upfront, but I'm flexible if I know you and trust you.


"I will be the person that decides to let you rent the 3 spaces or reject offers I don't like.

If the service I rented to is banned or turns into a scam,

I would  stop advertising it and possibly would not refund the advertisers payment."

I am the most well known name on bitcointalk sometimes the second most as theymos and I bounce up and down.
I have made over 44,000 posts.
I have 6063 + 1000 airdrop merits puts me in top 25
I have given  8251 merits also in the top 40
I am the most recognized.
I am very much trusted

Check screen shot. I am up there on every list.






Frankly I would like two month or more  deals as it is less work to advertise again and again.
As I said I had a 6 month prepaid deal that was ended due to mixers ending.
Since mixers are done and my signature and all spaces will be open for rent in 2024.


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So look at the bold print part.

"I will be the person that decides to let you rent the 3 spaces or reject offers I don't like.

If the service I rented to is banned or turns into a scam,

I would  stop advertising it and possibly would not refund the advertisers payment."



and look at original

I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment.

Original:

I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment.

I did credit loyceV for his original in a different spot in the same post.  So I am not here to argue about format as I can see my credit for his post may not have been clear.


But rather than have hard feelings and arguments about formats. I am asking here essentially my new wording is a rewrite of LoyceV's idea but in a way  different.  Here is my rewrite Would this be good as it is not a copy and essentially any one renting their space should be able to qualify it.

"I will be the person that decides to let you rent the 3 spaces or reject offers I don't like.

If the service I rented to is banned or turns into a scam,

I would  stop advertising it and possibly would not refund the advertisers payment."


Let's pretend LoyceV wrote a perfect qualifying statement. anyone renting their own  space wants to use it.  How do they use it.

without being Called out for copying.


1) "Thou shall not kill".   A commandment must I credit it or can I say it.

2) A loan needs collateral. = A statement used by hundreds on this site.

Or a well written sentence from LoyceV:

"I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment."   by LoyceV

But a very nice legal statement  that applies  to anyone renting their space.

It is why I did the original thread this way. 


So this is my replacement for that sentence.

"I will be the person that decides to let you rent the 3 spaces or reject offers I don't like.

If the service I rented to is banned or turns into a scam,

I would  stop advertising it and possibly would not refund the advertisers payment."



It is not the same, but close the biggest change is I said maybe I would not refund you the payor if I cancel.


BTW LoyceV it is a damn fine qualifier on your part.  And anyone on the forum should be able to use it if they are renting out  a space on

BiTCoinTalk.

Just a thread for thought on how hard it can be to work with plagiarism and what is correct or not correct.

Thoughts are welcome.

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[Mia Chloe]

I understand your point and it is very reasonable to have made this thread.

You are a well reputable member here on Bitcoin all and as well as the most Recognized.

Therefore my simple suggestion  to prevent you from plagiarism is; I suggest that Loycev creates a thread to fully authorize the use of that application format without using his name as a reference.

This would serve as a form of general license.

[philipma1957]

I understand your point and it is very reasonable to have made this thread.

You are a well reputable member here on Bitcoin all and as well as the most Recognized.

Therefore my simple suggestion  to prevent you from plagiarism is; I suggest that Loycev creates a thread to fully authorize the use of that application format without using his name as a reference.

This would serve as a form of general license.

Thank this is exactly what I thought.  My sentence is weaker <> but some may want to use it.

I hereby release this to anyone renting their spaces on BitCoinTalk
1) "I will be the person that decides to let you rent the 3 spaces or reject offers I don't like.

If the service I rented to is banned or turns into a scam,

I would  stop advertising it and possibly would not refund the advertisers payment."

At LoyceV would you consider releasing your  statement for people to use?

As it kind of is like a commandment so to speak. Or a rule

"I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment." LoyceV

It is stricter than mine and some would prefer it over mine.




BTW If anyone wants to see the original thread before mods I do have a pdf of it.

[Mia Chloe]

Thank this is exactly what I thought.  My sentence is weaker <> but some may want to use it.

You may think the grammar is weak but it literally will serve its purpose.

I hereby release this to anyone renting their spaces on BitCoinTalk
1) "I will be the person that decides to let you rent the 3 spaces or reject offers I don't like.

If the service I rented to is banned or turns into a scam,

I would  stop advertising it and possibly would not refund the advertisers payment."

I am certain other members will be glad that they no longer have to face the stress of composing a post of this nature.

At LoyceV would you consider releasing your  statement for people to use?

As it kind of is like a commandment so to speak. Or a rule

"I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment." LoyceV

I am very sure Loycev would be kind to allow free use of his writeup.
Loycev is definitely very good with his choice of words. I respect that and I guess I may have to steal that lol.

[Sandra_hakeem]

LoyceV wouldn't wanna drag you out for a similar write-up since you ain't paid directly for it... To me, that's not plagiarism...You're only tryna advertise yourself to interested clients and you may decide to adopt the same write-up like anyone else...
Have you ever thought about signature CAMPAIGN threads? They're mostimes created with no specific choice of words... It could definitely be a copy, edit and paste kinda stuff. Cus who would begin to build a thread from scratch with different words?? On the other hand, someone could decide to create something different -- but the difference isn't made to avoid plagiarism: it's made to create an impression that's way more unique in the eyes of them employers

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[LoyceMobile]

Like I wrote in my other post (which you deleted): just quote me. Add something like "this applies:" in front of it.

I'll respond more when I'm at my desk again.


I think you're confusing copyright and plagiarism. I don't think it's possible to release a text for not being plagiarism. Anyone is allowed to quote me, but shouldn't omit the quote with the copied text.

[philipma1957]

Like I wrote in my other post (which you deleted): just quote me. Add something like "this applies:" in front of it.

I'll respond more when I'm at my desk again.


I think you're confusing copyright and plagiarism. I don't think it's possible to release a text for not being plagiarism. Anyone is allowed to quote me, but shouldn't omit the quote with the copied text.

This is the thread without corrections.in pdf form if you want an email of the pdf I can send it to you:


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Philipma1957 will be renting out avatar and signature. On Jan 1 2024
December 27, 2023, 06:02:06 PM
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I will be available on Jan 1 2024. I would take BTC LTC or DOGE
I am renting my avatar, my signature and my text under my avatar. All three for you.
two month minimum rental.
I usually post more than 80 posts a week closer to 400 posts a month. back story below:
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         Mixers are ending on Dec 31 2023.
I had a 6 month prepaid mixer contract (won't mention name) I was paid up front in btc for all six months. When mixers were ended that mixer company said list me for 1 month I will let you keep 2 months please refund me the other 4 months I did this.
So I lost 4 months prepaid btc paid on dec 1 when we were at 38k.
I promised him 60 posts a week and at least 240 a month.
I gave him 380+ posts from dec 1 to dec 27
    Trust: +66 / =0 / -0
Payment can be fixed in Bitcoin,LTC,Doge or dollars, but has to happen in crypto. I prefer to be paid upfront, but I'm flexible if you're trusted enough.
I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment.
I am the most well known name on bitcointalk sometime the second most as theymos and I bounce up and down.
I have made over 44,000 posts.
I have 6063 + 1000 airdrop merits puts me in top 25 I have given 8251 merits also in the top 40
I am the most recognized.
I am very much trusted
Check screen shot. I am up there on every list.
 
  Frankly I would like two or more month deals as it is less work to advertise again
as I said I had a 6 month prepaid deal that was end due to mixers ending.
I was getting over $1,000 a month and was prepaid over $6,000 in btc by a mixer . Since mixers are done and my signature and all spaces will be open here I am.
 
 okay I am quoting this . As I will kind of use it for my template.
At Loyce please let me know if quoting your advert thread is okay.

Quote from: LoyceV on March 16, 2019, 02:46:57 PM
   My Avatar is for rent   I can make a deal per post, per week, per month or per year, payment in Bitcoin. Payment can be fixed in Bitcoin or dollars, but has to happen in Bitcoin. I prefer to be paid upfront, but I'm flexible if you're trusted enough.
Animated avatars aren't allowed anymore, which is how I like it anyway.
At the right offer, my personal text can be rented too, but I prefer to keep that personal.
I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a

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          scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment.
My sales pitch
I've been part of the ChipMixer Signature Campaign since September 2017. This campaign is generally known for accepting only high-quality posters.
At the moment of writing:
I have made 7737 posts
I'm the 2nd most Merited user and 10th most generous merit sender.
I'm the 39th Most Recognized user on BPIP.org.
I'm the 2nd most included DT1 member and the single most included user when counting inclusions from users with 250+ Merit.
I make no promises for the amount of posts I'll create in the future. but my weekly post count is usually around 50-100 posts (some of those posts (mostly bumps) are deleted the next week). Historic records can be found in the ChipMixer Signature Campaign spreadsheet.
History
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note I have pm'd Loyce to see if he has issues with this. I will remove it if he wants me to.
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December 27, 2023, 09:03:38 PM
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Quote from: philipma1957 on December 27, 2023, 06:03:14 PM
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note I have pm'd Loyce to see if he has issues with this. I will remove it if he wants me to.
 I honestly don't think you need to take the LoyceV introduction. In the end, most of the information is imprecise because it is out of date in his case as well, and for you, it is completely wrong. You don't need it,
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because your stats are one of the best here.
For example, you have many more posts than he had at that moment 7737 (March 27, 2019). You are 1st recognised on the BPIP list. There is no Chipmixer spreadsheet anymore...
Also, you have nothing with the Dutch time zone, as far as I understand, you are writing from the US.
My advice, if it means anything to you, is that you don't need to state the sums of how much you were paid in advance or anything similar. It is okay to state if you have a figure that you expect for your service, but I think that your future client does not want to be exposed in that way.
Also, edit the whole post a little better, because you currently have a few font sizes, and a lot of space, it's honestly a bit confusing to read. I believe that you are not a creative designer (I understand that because I am similar), but maybe you can hire someone to make a complete design for you. There are some very skilled designers here and surely this could look much better and more professional. You certainly have something to offer .
edit: For example, I would rather choose this screenshot, it represents you much better (you can use this image in your post, just keep in mind that the Tumbler avatar is visible, and this is not allowed after January 1.)
       p.s. I can edit/delete this post after 24 hours, I don't want to ruin your thread.
 
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Re: Philipma1957 wdiellsbketorepnting out avatar and signature
    Today at 12:32:49 AM
Quote from: examplens on December 27, 2023, 09:03:38 PM
          Quote from: philipma1957 on December 27, 2023, 06:03:14 PM
I honestly don't think you need to take the LoyceV introduction. In the end, most of the information is imprecise because it is out of date in his case as well, and for you, it is completely wrong. You don't need it, because your stats are one of the best here.
For example, you have many more posts than he had at that moment 7737 (March 27, 2019). You are 1st recognised on the BPIP list. There is no Chipmixer spreadsheet anymore...
Also, you have nothing with the Dutch time zone, as far as I understand, you are writing from the US.
My advice, if it means anything to you, is that you don't need to state the sums of how much you were paid in advance or anything similar. It is okay to state if you have a figure that you expect for your service, but I think that your future client does not want to be exposed in that way.
Also, edit the whole post a little better, because you currently have a few font sizes, and a lot of space, it's honestly a bit confusing to read. I believe that you are not a creative designer (I understand that because I am similar), but maybe you can hire someone to make a complete design for you. There are some very skilled designers here and surely this could look much better and more professional. You certainly have something to offer.
edit: For example, I would rather choose this screenshot, it represents you much better (you can use this image in your post, just keep in mind that the Tumbler avatar is visible, and this is not allowed after January 1.)
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note I have pm'd Loyce to see if he has issues with this. I will remove it if he wants me to.
 
 1) Fuck that is the tenth time I have accidentally photographed my tumbler avatar. Thank you for spotting it. 2) I put the back story in small print so that a renter does not offer too low.
Ie if I do 300-400 posts in a month I would want close to 1000 a month. Which is less than the mixer paid me.
Hmm I guess I could just say:
If I give you 300-400 posts in a month I would want close to 1000 a month.
As no one gives the widespread 40,000 plus posts presence other than me.
3) I am looking to erase the quote of loyce’s post but I want him to see I based enough of my thread on his that I want to not be accused of copying so that is why the quote is there.
I will alter this a bit tomorrow. no 1 was solid on your part.
    p.s. I can edit/delete this post after 24 hours, I don't want to ruin your thread.
 
 no 2 was good. thank you.
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Re: Philipma1957 will be renting out avatar and signature. On Jan 1 2024
Today at 05:14:27 AM
Quote from: philipma1957 on December 27, 2023, 06:02:06 PM
At Loyce please let me know if quoting your advert thread is okay.
I'm flattered, but I don't like it. If you quote my text, you should keep every bit of it inside quote tags. Now you have my text with and without quote tags.
This part for instance would fit my Report plagiarism thread:
Copy:
Quote from: philipma1957 on December 27, 2023, 06:02:06 PM
Original:
Quote from: LoyceV on March 16, 2019, 02:46:57 PM
If you're selling something, at least create your own advertising text.
Quote from: examplens on December 27, 2023, 09:03:38 PM
I was like a forum baby back then, with only 30% of my current post total
Quote from: philipma1957 on Today at 12:32:49 AM
            I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment.
    I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment.
       I honestly don't think you need to take the LoyceV introduction. In the end, most of the information is imprecise because it is out of date in his case as well
     3) I am looking to erase the quote of loyce’s post but I want him to see I based enough of my thread on his that I want to not be accused of copying so that is why the quote is there.
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Re: Philipma1957 will be renting out avatar and signature. On Jan 1 2024
Today at 09:05:16 AM
      Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 05:14:27 AM
    Quote from: philipma1957 on December 27, 2023, 06:02:06 PM
At Loyce please let me know if quoting your advert thread is okay.
I'm flattered, but I don't like it. If you quote my text, you should keep every bit of it inside quote tags. Now you have my text with and without quote tags.
This part for instance would fit my Report plagiarism thread:
Copy:
Quote from: philipma1957 on December 27, 2023, 06:02:06 PM
Original:
Quote from: LoyceV on March 16, 2019, 02:46:57 PM
If you're selling something, at least create your own advertising text.
Quote from: examplens on December 27, 2023, 09:03:38 PM
I was like a forum baby back then, with only 30% of my current post total
Quote from: philipma1957 on Today at 12:32:49 AM
The best way to avoid being accused of copying, is not copying
      I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment.
    I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment.
       I honestly don't think you need to take the LoyceV introduction. In the end, most of the information is imprecise because it is out of date in his case as well
     3) I am looking to erase the quote of loyce’s post but I want him to see I based enough of my thread on his that I want to not be accused of copying so that is why the quote is there.
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[philipma1957]

my issue is how to state your request  with out quote

as I think it is more like one of these statements.

"not your keys not your coins"

"thou shall not kill"


You are stating what you want in a deal if you rent.

I want to say the same terms..

Here is another example.

"I will charge  a 10% fee to fill your LN address from my nicehash LN address"

If I offer this on the money page in a thread does this mean I should be quoted.

Look I was very careful and quoted your entire thread and asked as I did not want to have fights or arguments about what is

repeatable verbatim. Without credit.

Here is what I just created in currency exchange.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5479710.msg63411069#msg63411069



I will charge a 10% fee to send up to 0.01 btc to your active LN wallet.

I reserve the right to say yes to you or no to you.

This will start on January 31st 2024

I may end this service at any time.

I am well known so you send the Doge or LTC first.

SO any one that writes

"I will charge a 10% fee to send up to 0.01 btc to your active LN wallet."

gets charged with plagiarism according to your position.  I am not here to say you are wrong if that is your position.

I am saying certain phrases should not be subject to plagiarism.

Now we can agree to disagree.  


BTW any one that needs a pdf copy of the thread prior to correction I can email it to them.

[SamReomo]

I think you can use any format as long as you can make some good changes in it. Using of the same message in a thread might be disliked by the creator of the message and may lead to plagiarism and that's why it's always recommended to learn from someone's ideas and then make your own improved ideas from the learnt knowledge.

As long as your signature renting advertisement is unique and it doesn't contain the exact text from someone else's advertisement, you can post it without worrying about anything. I think reading someone's ideas and then making better ideas yourself for your advertisement doesn't fall into the domain of plagiarism.

We aren't perfect as humans and we learn things from each other, and that's why it's better to learn from those who have been doing good, and then come up with your own thing. We learn from books, from forums, from general texts, and from many other things and when we represent the learnt things in our own writing style then that doesn't fall into the domain of plagiarism.

[philipma1957]

I think you can use any format as long as you can make some good changes in it. Using of the same message in a thread might be disliked by the creator of the message and may lead to plagiarism and that's why it's always recommended to learn from someone's ideas and then make your own improved ideas from the learnt knowledge.

As long as your signature renting advertisement is unique and it doesn't contain the exact text from someone else's advertisement, you can post it without worrying about anything. I think reading someone's ideas and then making better ideas yourself for your advertisement doesn't fall into the domain of plagiarism.

We aren't perfect as humans and we learn things from each other, and that's why it's better to learn from those who have been doing good, and then come up with your own thing. We learn from books, from forums, from general texts, and from many other things and when we represent the learnt things in our own writing style then that doesn't fall into the domain of plagiarism.

And this is the problem. He made a beautifully crafted legal statement and he says it must be quoted on

this website.  There is an issue on the plagiarism thread that says is you change the words a bit but the meaning is the exact same it is also plagiarism. So he is saying no one can have those terms without quoting him.

My new phrase which I freely give is not the same. So it is not plagiarism by this websites definition.

I am simply saying my ability to get his terms is not subject to quoting his terms I can copy them without fear of being accused of plagiarism .

can you say , not your keys not your coins, with out quotes yes.

I made a new thread on currency I said this

"I will charge a 10% fee to send up to 0.01 btc to your active LN wallet."

It is terms and it is common I won't say you must quote it. 

It is fine as I altered my terms on my thread and they are not a copy and

they are not legally the same set of terms. 

Oh anyone that wants to use my new thread as an idea for their thread in currency can do so.

[philipma1957]

I think you can use any format as long as you can make some good changes in it. Using of the same message in a thread might be disliked by the creator of the message and may lead to plagiarism and that's why it's always recommended to learn from someone's ideas and then make your own improved ideas from the learnt knowledge.

As long as your signature renting advertisement is unique and it doesn't contain the exact text from someone else's advertisement, you can post it without worrying about anything. I think reading someone's ideas and then making better ideas yourself for your advertisement doesn't fall into the domain of plagiarism.

We aren't perfect as humans and we learn things from each other, and that's why it's better to learn from those who have been doing good, and then come up with your own thing. We learn from books, from forums, from general texts, and from many other things and when we represent the learnt things in our own writing style then that doesn't fall into the domain of plagiarism.

And this is the problem. He made a beautifully crafted legal statement and he says it must be quoted on

this website.  There is an issue on the plagiarism thread that says is you change the words a bit but the meaning is the exact same it is also plagiarism. So he is saying no one can have those terms without quoting him.

My new phrase which I freely give is not the same. So it is not plagiarism by this websites definition.

I am simply saying my ability to get his terms is not subject to quoting his terms I can copy them without fear of being accused of plagiarism .

can you say , not your keys not your coins, with out quotes yes.

I made a new thread on currency I said this

"I will charge a 10% fee to send up to 0.01 btc to your active LN wallet."

It is terms and it is common I won't say you must quote it.  

It is fine as I altered my terms on my thread and they are not a copy and

they are not legally the same set of terms.  

Oh anyone that wants to use my new thread as an idea for their thread in currency can do so.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.msg7955645#msg7955645

<big snip

33. This includes both copying parts or the entirety of other users' posts or threads and copying content from external sources (e.g. other websites) and passing it as your own.

big snip >

I gave credit and did not pass off LoyceV's well written idea as my own.

But I do understand it may not have been clear enough.

Still saying it is a set of terms that all people renting their signature should be able to use without quoting it simply because it is that good.

much like

 "not your keys not your coins"  I do not know who said it first.

:from Merriam-webster.com

plagiarize   to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source

to commit literary theft: present as new and original ad idea or product derived from an existing source

notice presenting as your own work which I never did.
dictionary.cambridge.org
to use another person's ideas or work and pretend that it is your own:



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decided to not rent signature and give it to talkimg.com  free of charge.

[LoyceV]

Let's pretend LoyceV wrote a perfect qualifying statement. anyone renting their own  space wants to use it.

Like this:

Bla bla rent out my bla bla.
These rules apply:

I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment.

Bla bla rent out my bla bla.

Anyone is allowed to quote me (or any other forum post) like this without worrying about plagiarism.

1) "Thou shall not kill".   A commandment must I credit it or can I say it.

Most English speakers will recognize the phrase, and instantly know you heard it somewhere else. That's not the case with my services quote above.

BTW LoyceV it is a damn fine qualifier on your part.

Thanks The main thing is to actually live by it, and from what I've seen, many people advertise anything they can without knowing what they advertise. For what it's worth: any advertising agency does the same.

And anyone on the forum should be able to use it if they are renting out  a space on

They can, with proper quote tags.

Off-topic: why do you hit Enter twice half way a sentence? I don't use my browser full screen, and this gives a terrible layout.

Therefore my simple suggestion  to prevent you from plagiarism is; I suggest that Loycev creates a thread to fully authorize the use of that application format without using his name as a reference.

I'm not going to do that. First, it's useless. Plagiarism isn't decided by the author of the thread, that's copyright. A copyright owner could give anyone permission to use their work, let's say by putting it in the public domain. But, anyone who copies it without referencing, still makes it look like it was his own work, and that is by definition plagiarism.
So, in short: I don't give away the rights to my writings, and there's no need to do so, because there's a quote button.

At LoyceV would you consider releasing your  statement for people to use?

See above

It is stricter than mine and some would prefer it over mine.

By all means: use it, within quote tags.

LoyceV wouldn't wanna drag you out for a similar write-up since you ain't paid directly for it... To me, that's not plagiarism...

I bet Coca Cola would disagree if Pepsi starts advertising Holidays Are Coming

Look I was very careful and quoted your entire thread and asked as I did not want to have fights or arguments about what is repeatable verbatim. Without credit.

I don't think we're fighting But quoting my entire post wasn't needed either, just quote the part you need. Like this:

If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.

SO any one that writes "I will charge a 10% fee to send up to 0.01 btc to your active LN wallet." gets charged with plagiarism according to your position.

It depends: will they copy it? If so, use the quote button. If I'd offer such a service (which various exchangers offer at 0.5% fee), I'd write my own text:

I'm going to charge an outrageous amount: 1 Bitcoin LN satoshi per Forkcoin-satoshi. You're not paying for the coins, you're paying for the service. But since 2000 sats is more than enough for this purpose, it puts the total price under only a dollar.

If you write your own text, it's very unlikely someone else wrote the same thing. It also depends on the number of words: there's so much written text already that it's very difficult to write any small number of words that hasn't been written already. Let me think of something: "cows can't jump high". Unsurprisingly, Google tells me it has been written already.

I think you can use any format as long as you can make some good changes in it.

That's what plagiarism spammers did after many bans: they used text spinners. It's more annoying to detect.

And this is the problem. He made a beautifully crafted legal statement and he says it must be quoted on this website.

I still don't get why that's a problem.

So he is saying no one can have those terms without quoting him.

Nope. I'm not monopolizing those terms.

Oh anyone that wants to use my new thread as an idea for their thread in currency can do so.

That's copyright: you allow anyone to use your work. Great! But you simply can't give anyone a freebie for claiming your work as their own.

I gave credit and did not pass off LoyceV's well written idea as my own.

You did. No worries there. But I've said it before in Ratimov's plagiarism accusation threads: I think the forum has a loophole: you don't get banned if you copy anything and leave a small link with the source (or 10 different sources) at the bottom of a long post.

But I do understand it may not have been clear enough.

I'm just saying how I would have done it One short selective quote instead of quoting a whole topic at the bottom.

much like

"not your keys not your coins"  I do not know who said it first.

The difference is that any experienced Bitcointalk user will know this isn't your own text, and knows you're not passing it off as your own.

[SamReomo]

That's what plagiarism spammers did after many bans: they used text spinners. It's more annoying to detect.

Those plagiarism spammers know nothing else than spinning someone else's content but I believe an idea can be learnt and improved. I believe an open-source software is a good example of an idea as anyone can enhance it with their understanding of code. I believe texts are a little bit different but I'm quite sure that if someone learns something from someone else's ideas and then come up with something new than that doesn't fall into domain of plagarism.

[suchmoon]

There is an issue on the plagiarism thread that says is you change the words a bit but the meaning is the exact same it is also plagiarism. So he is saying no one can have those terms without quoting him.

Why is that a problem?

It doesn't have to be quote tags. You can put it in bold etc and credit LoyceV, perhaps more clearly though than in your original version, and you won't get banned, if that's all you're worried about. However using quote tags for something that can be linked to on this forum is the more convenient way of doing this IMO, so why are you so opposed to that?

Sounds like you're trying very hard to invent a problem and diminish the plagiarism issue based on a few out-of-context examples. Plagiarism is a big issue. It's damn near impossible to plagiarize "accidentally" or whatever your point is here. You're doing it consciously if you're just copying some text that you didn't write, and not adding a reference to it. Instead direct all this effort towards making it as clear as possible that you didn't write the text that you didn't write, and everyone will be happy.

Still saying it is a set of terms that all people renting their signature should be able to use without quoting it simply because it is that good.

much like

 "not your keys not your coins"  I do not know who said it first.

Again, if all you're concerned about is a ban, you will not be banned for something in double quotes, even if that wasn't a well-known phrase. Something in double quotes implies that you're quoting. If you don't know the author that's fine. If you do - mention them. If you have a link - add a link. If it's a post on the forum - quote it or part of it. All common sense things to do unless for some reason you're trying to make it look like you created the text that you didn't create.

[philipma1957]

Okay it is settled.

quotes it is.


If you want my version  do this:

"I will be the person that decides to let you rent the 3 spaces or reject offers I don't like.

If the service I rented to is banned or turns into a scam,

I would  stop advertising it and possibly would not refund the advertisers payment." author philipma1957 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5479495.msg63398987#msg63398987


That version is a bit more lenient then loyceV's version below"

"I only advertise services that I like. I reserve the right to reject offers I don't like. If the service I'm advertising turns into a scam, I reserve the right to stop advertising it without returning payment." author loyceV https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5121375.msg50190037#msg50190037



I have decided to not rent my signature as donating to talkimg.com seems like a better idea.

I am locking the thread.