Crypto gambling and religious restrictions

[Yatsan]

To me, this isn't an issue that should've been cryptocurrency problem because I do think that this is an individual issue about that individual's faith because I do believe that's how it should be dealt with, remember that a man of faith that sins isn't really a man of faith in the first place so they'll be doing any way they can gamble even without cryptocurrency, it just happens that cryptocurrency is here so they're doing that and making crypto as a scapegoat for their own sins.

Quite confusing with scapegoat of their sins. Indeed we do all have different beliefs especially when it comes on our religions. In most religions, gambling is prohibited and that's it. Most of us here has religion but why are we still here? We have that drive to earn money even if it would be against our religion; that's how frustrating life is to many people. However, we have our own reasons on why we are still gambling against our religious beliefs and that simply explains why monetary things should be separated from our beliefs.

In the Islamic concept, gambling is haram, it is not stated in detail that it is haram when you use fiat money but it is allowed with crypto. The law still applies whether using fiat or crypto, the wishes of each individual who continues to gamble is their own business. When you find the fact that gambling is against religion but continue to do it, it becomes a matter between you and your god. It needs to be underlined, not all Muslims adhere to the teachings of their religion. They will continue to gamble even though their religion prohibits it.

How can you say that gambling becomes legal with you use Crypto and it becomes illegal when we use the fiat money? I guess it should be legal or illegal regardless of which medium of currency you use to gamble.

I think this topic has been touched on many times in the past and it is obvious that in the religions where it is not allowed, the people of that religion should not be playing gambling and be restricted towards it. But still if they play, no one can stop them as it is a religious belief and it shows how much a person is near to the God and how much spirituality exists in the person.

Legality and restriction are different from one another. If something is legal then that is honored by the government. When something is prohibited then it could be belief or by consent of particular group and does not involve regulation and restriction on government's end, in most instances.Gambling is known to not be supported by religious beliefs therefore this shouldn't be an issue to us who are here.

[virasog]

Again, it is actually unethical to discuss the issue of gambling with religion and link it, remember that gambling is personal and so is religion, so it is very important for us to respect other people's views on rules and morals.  i am also a Christian and really respect other Christians who don't gamble because they think gambling is bad behavior, i never feel like i'm right, i just gamble without harming myself, my family and also other people because some radical Christians said that gambling destroys a person's personality and also destroys his life so in my opinion as long as the person is able to manage his gambling activities well then it is legal.

I guess you are not talking about gambling is legal or illegal rather we are discussing the status of gambling from the religious point of view.

In some religions if the gambling is prohibited but if the person is able to win in gambling and make enough money to feed  his family and become a useful person for the society still from the religious prospective he is doing a sin. When we talk about the religion we do not see the pros and cons of the rules of the religion, the religion is to be a obeyed without any excuses.

[o48o]

Talking with someone that is Muslim yesterday, it was suggested to me that many Muslims around the world might be using crypto to circumvent the strict treatment of gambling in predominantly Muslim countries.

It was an interesting concept to consider that since crypto can be used to conceal your spending, it is probably also used by people who want to gamble to avoid the consequences based on religious practices.

But the more interesting side of this is that some probably interpret gambling with crypto as permissible under religious rules. Not exactly 100% approved let's say but not explicitly forbidden either.

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

Well if you take a look at the history, gambling was frowned upon by religious groups from the start. So we can assume that they will try to ban it no matter the currency. If it's government issued or decentralized. And those religous rules are old anyway, so they don't keep up with modern times. Updating them is besically up to religious leaders and who know what their views will be in the future, but i would bet them banning it. Even if the betting would be against the rules.

And then there are people who have their personal connection with religion or gods, they are asking their advice directly from the source, so i don't see any one monolithic answer to this. And hiding their gambling isn't really exclusive to religious people either.

[bitzizzix]

Religion prohibits gambling and it is also haram because it benefits one party and harms many parties, the logic in my opinion is like that. And everything that harms many people, even one person, is considered haram or sinful.
Because gambling can also harm yourself, your family, your children, your wife and also everyone closest to you. And gambling can also damage a person's mental and religious norms. Because there are many negative impacts of gambling, one of which is damaging the economy, getting into debt, increasing crime, reducing morale or laziness, forgetting God and many others.

[Hispo]

Religion prohibits gambling and it is also haram because it benefits one party and harms many parties, the logic in my opinion is like that. And everything that harms many people, even one person, is considered haram or sinful.
Because gambling can also harm yourself, your family, your children, your wife and also everyone closest to you. And gambling can also damage a person's mental and religious norms. Because there are many negative impacts of gambling, one of which is damaging the economy, getting into debt, increasing crime, reducing morale or laziness, forgetting God and many others.

I assume you are from a country where the government or the family values are directed by the Koran and the Islamic traditions, though there is something which catches my attention about gambling in Islamic countries: in some of those countries gambling is legally forbidden or restricted and yet there are ways which are used by people to continue to wager money and there are also countries where people is allowed to gamble but it is discouraged. Do religious authorities have any say or way to get involved in the regulation of gambling in those countries where the majority of people are followers of the prophet Mohammed ?
I have even seen people here in the forum who consider themselves to be muslin and yet they openly admit to engage in gambling and they are not supposed to be judged by anyone but Allah, God himself. What are you opinion on it?

Also, they things you say are somewhat true, but I believe you may be exaggerating a little bit on the negative consequences of gambling, gambling is one thing and being addicted to it is a completely different context, in my opinion. 

[Slow death]

People tend to talk about religion and sin, but every day they are lying and consequently every day they are committing sins, but even so they continue to criticize other people who are in the world of gambling. Religion blinds people, turns people into robots that follow other people's commands. Religion makes people not think for themselves. One day I read in a newspaper that a woman who was a prostitute was celebrating and endorsing that a certain group of a certain religion would attack people of another religion. Note that this prostitute woman considers herself to be of the Muslim religion, but in the Muslim religion they do not accept things she does, but when she spoke about how they should attack Christians, she had a lot of support

By this I mean that some people use religion to justify their bad acts, many people commit sins consciously. So when a person is sitting at home playing in some casino, having fun without harming other people, then that person should definitely not be judged as if they were doing any harm to society. That's why in my opinion people should be free to play as they please, they're not doing anything wrong. Of course, the money you use to play must be clean money, something like money coming from your salary or a clean business, this is because you need to respect the laws of the country you live in.

[BitcoinPanther]

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

First, there is no difference in using crypto or fiat for gambling.  When we engage in gambling whatever method of deposits we use, we are still  gambling.   With regards to religion, I still believe that gambling is not restricted in any scripture since there is no direct writings that forbid a person to not gamble.  It is more likely a personal interpretation of who ever has the authority on that religion. 

They keep on saying gambling is not permitted in the scripture but there is no direct commandments that stated not to gamble.  Worst some religious group say that gambling is forbidden and yet they collect funds through raffle programs.

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

Not only most Christians but most people are not pious at all.  Yes there is Christian gambler and so is Muslims and other religions. 

[Lida93]

Gambling is just like every other activities you can't catch fun from and get self entertained while also with a probable reward attached for the passion. It's a matter of choice as a religious man should you choice to gamble in as much as you do it responsibly without causing disgrace and pain to yourself and family through irresponsible gambling.

If you're a religious fanatic that decides not to gamble because your religion frown at gambling it doesn't mean another brother in same religion that does gamble should be regarded as an evil person, that is his decision and shouldn't be judged. There are religious person's that claim to publicly distant themselves from gambling but engage in it secretly. There are worst things than gambling that people do but because it's a nocturnal act no one is talking about in their various religion.

[AmoreJaz]

Gambling is just like every other activities you can't catch fun from and get self entertained while also with a probable reward attached for the passion. It's a matter of choice as a religious man should you choice to gamble in as much as you do it responsibly without causing disgrace and pain to yourself and family through irresponsible gambling.

If you're a religious fanatic that decides not to gamble because your religion frown at gambling it doesn't mean another brother in same religion that does gamble should be regarded as an evil person, that is his decision and shouldn't be judged. There are religious person's that claim to publicly distant themselves from gambling but engage in it secretly. There are worst things than gambling that people do but because it's a nocturnal act no one is talking about in their various religion.

that is very true, not all religious persons have the determination to live by the book. some are walking the path outside of their religious protocols but of course most of them are being discreet about it. i believe a lot are already diverging outside their religious beliefs. we are just humans to be tempted by this kind of addictive activity.

for me, as long as you are not harming anyone, i think that's fine. everyone has their own beliefs and way of living their lives.

[Oilacris]

Talking with someone that is Muslim yesterday, it was suggested to me that many Muslims around the world might be using crypto to circumvent the strict treatment of gambling in predominantly Muslim countries.

It was an interesting concept to consider that since crypto can be used to conceal your spending, it is probably also used by people who want to gamble to avoid the consequences based on religious practices.

But the more interesting side of this is that some probably interpret gambling with crypto as permissible under religious rules. Not exactly 100% approved let's say but not explicitly forbidden either.

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

One thing that i can say about this on which it would really be just that still depending on "INDIVIDUALS DECISIONS".
Everything that you are tending to do is will really be that basing into the decisions you do made, if you do know that if a certain thing is prohibited on religious means then
no matter how many methods or ways that would be known or shared out then you wont really be doing anything.

Now that cryptocurrency gambling has been known and you've seen that gambling is really that possible. Then why would really be tending to get engage with
it if you do know that it is really that not allowed? This does means that you are really that responsible towards your actions and if its a sin on religious approach
then you do know on what you have done.

[usekevin]

Religion prohibits gambling and it is also haram because it benefits one party and harms many parties, the logic in my opinion is like that. And everything that harms many people, even one person, is considered haram or sinful.
Because gambling can also harm yourself, your family, your children, your wife and also everyone closest to you. And gambling can also damage a person's mental and religious norms. Because there are many negative impacts of gambling, one of which is damaging the economy, getting into debt, increasing crime, reducing morale or laziness, forgetting God and many others.

Many gamblers friend on myself had the opportunity to make money using the gambling site.But the fact is they will never get into the gambling at the any choice.Some of my gamblers friends still involve to the gambling website by the bigger ones with huge betting money.The gambling was prohibited in the Muslim community because some of his followers will get addicted to gambling site.

It was not the first time to hear about the gambling site not used by the certain religious people.I had an Christian family members and friends who don’t warn the public about his involvement in the gambling site.If the gambling was begun with the intention of making money.It was hard to make money without any skills in the gambling site.The gamblers should not take money from the gambling site to casino games for the excitement.

[Potato Chips]

that is very true, not all religious persons have the determination to live by the book. some are walking the path outside of their religious protocols but of course most of them are being discreet about it. i believe a lot are already diverging outside their religious beliefs. we are just humans to be tempted by this kind of addictive activity.

I'm an ex-christian and this is what I have observed as well since I was young. I think one of the reasons for this is because, for a lot us, religion is something we kind of inherit hence we can't expect everyone to be fully into it.

I should also mention that holy books can be open for interpretation. It's similar to how some people consider bitcoin as haram and some people completely disagree with it. I can imagine some of our muslim brothers being okay with gambling long as it's in moderation without feeling like they've broken anything as it is still in line with their interpretation.

[8rch7]

I think the OP and his Muslim friends have a little error in their understanding of gambling, regardless of using fiat currency or cryptocurrency, gambling is one of the things that is prohibited in Muslims. Actually not only Muslim religion not allowed gambling but also all religion around the world but some people make it fun with gambling and not push them as profession, better don't mixing about gambling with religion or some country not allow gambling as legal activities there.

Again, it is actually unethical to discuss the issue of gambling with religion and link it, remember that gambling is personal and so is religion, so it is very important for us to respect other people's views on rules and morals.  i am also a Christian and really respect other Christians who don't gamble because they think gambling is bad behavior, i never feel like i'm right, i just gamble without harming myself, my family and also other people because some radical Christians said that gambling destroys a person's personality and also destroys his life so in my opinion as long as the person is able to manage his gambling activities well then it is legal.

Its very important thing keep respect with other viewed exactly personal not allowed gambling in their religion and need to respect it whatever way to make deposit trough fiat or cryptocurrency. Gambling have bad behavior side exactly for some one have been addict with gambling and loss controlling their emotion how to stop from gambling.

[piebeyb]

for me, as long as you are not harming anyone, i think that's fine. everyone has their own beliefs and way of living their lives.

Yes, the most important thing is that it doesn't actually harm other people, that's why religion prohibits it because it has too many negative impacts compared to positive impacts, for example robbing, stealing or even committing suicide, many cases are made by gambling addicts just to satisfy their emotions by gambling so looking for money in the wrong way to finance his gambling.

Everyone has different beliefs and not everyone agrees with the rules and laws of their respective religions, not everyone thinks that gambling has a negative impact as well as a positive impact, it all comes back to each individual as long as they are still gambling for themselves without harming others. it's normal and the point is to always remind yourself not to gamble if you can't control yourself.

[Oilacris]

for me, as long as you are not harming anyone, i think that's fine. everyone has their own beliefs and way of living their lives.

Yes, the most important thing is that it doesn't actually harm other people, that's why religion prohibits it because it has too many negative impacts compared to positive impacts, for example robbing, stealing or even committing suicide, many cases are made by gambling addicts just to satisfy their emotions by gambling so looking for money in the wrong way to finance his gambling.

Everyone has different beliefs and not everyone agrees with the rules and laws of their respective religions, not everyone thinks that gambling has a negative impact as well as a positive impact, it all comes back to each individual as long as they are still gambling for themselves without harming others. it's normal and the point is to always remind yourself not to gamble if you can't control yourself.

This is why sometimes i do really that totally opposes some religious rules or ways on which there are really that prohibitions which are already having no sense on which even though it doesnt really give out other people to harm on which i could say that it is really just that it is way too much but i cant blame out people to be able to engage into those things even though its prohibited just because
there are moments or times that it cant really be avoided. We do know that there are really things in life that despite of being not allowed but we do naturally getting involving with it.
Yes, we do commit out mistakes on religious approach but talking about getting harm into other people then its not. So its up to your choice on whether you would be trying it out or not.

[Lida93]

Gambling is just like every other activities you can't catch fun from and get self entertained while also with a probable reward attached for the passion. It's a matter of choice as a religious man should you choice to gamble in as much as you do it responsibly without causing disgrace and pain to yourself and family through irresponsible gambling.

If you're a religious fanatic that decides not to gamble because your religion frown at gambling it doesn't mean another brother in same religion that does gamble should be regarded as an evil person, that is his decision and shouldn't be judged. There are religious person's that claim to publicly distant themselves from gambling but engage in it secretly. There are worst things than gambling that people do but because it's a nocturnal act no one is talking about in their various religion.

that is very true, not all religious persons have the determination to live by the book. some are walking the path outside of their religious protocols but of course most of them are being discreet about it. i believe a lot are already diverging outside their religious beliefs. we are just humans to be tempted by this kind of addictive activity.

for me, as long as you are not harming anyone, i think that's fine. everyone has their own beliefs and way of living their lives.

There are a bit of religious laws that are difficult to adhere and keep to humanly speaking, to which some of the religious adherents have the motive of keeping to those laws in the book but along the line they derail because what they are instructed by their religious doctrine not to do is a function/activity they are in love with, perhaps gives them a feeling of joy when they carry it out.

It is then the responsibility of those that by grace are able to keep to the doctrine t not to condemning those that are unable to but rather admonish and talk with them in brotherly love. What excites you might not excite me and maybe gambling doesn't excite Mr X that's why he can stay away from it but what about Mr Z. One other thing here is that people should be allowed to do what they enjoy in as much as it doesn't affect their moral and responsible personality especially if they are not holding a leadership position in that religious gatherings.

[Solosanz]

For Muslim I know gambling is haram, but for Christian, when was the bible said gambling is forbidden?

The Bible doesn't call gambling a sin as such, although the Bible warns against the love of money and get-rich-quick schemes.

If you're a strict person when it comes to religion, have you adopt all of the additional rules below?

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints follow these specific commandments:

I am personally a member of The Church of Jesus Christ, so I have a bit more information on this one.

    No alcohol or drugs. 
    Donate 10% or more of your income to charity and the building up of the kingdom of God. 
    Do not view pornography. 
    Do not engage in same-sex relationships. 
    Dedicate Sundays to the Lord. 
    No cigarettes, coffee, tea, coffee or tobacco. 
    Teenagers do not date until 16 years-old. 
    No abortion. 
    No gambling. 

If you didn't or can't follow all the rules, why you need to make a double standard? I want to see a proof if you're donate 10% of your income to charity, not view pornography and not drink a coffee.

[alani123]

For Muslim I know gambling is haram, but for Christian, when was the bible said gambling is forbidden?

The Bible doesn't call gambling a sin as such, although the Bible warns against the love of money and get-rich-quick schemes.

If you're a strict person when it comes to religion, have you adopt all of the additional rules below?

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints follow these specific commandments:

I am personally a member of The Church of Jesus Christ, so I have a bit more information on this one.

    No alcohol or drugs.  
    Donate 10% or more of your income to charity and the building up of the kingdom of God.  
    Do not view pornography.  
    Do not engage in same-sex relationships.  
    Dedicate Sundays to the Lord.  
    No cigarettes, coffee, tea, coffee or tobacco.  
    Teenagers do not date until 16 years-old.  
    No abortion.  
    No gambling.  

If you didn't or can't follow all the rules, why you need to make a double standard? I want to see a proof if you're donate 10% of your income to charity, not view pornography and not drink a coffee.

The bible might not talk about gambling in exact language, but we also have to acknowledge that many of Christianity's important texts came before the Muslim religion, so it's also a possibility that the term gambling itself was not very popular back then.

Many Christians of today might not realize that the bible not explicitly mentioning betting and gambling, doesn't mean gambling is not considered a sin.

Timothy 6:9-10 says, “Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.”

This is just one of many occasions in the bible that activities akin to gambling, i.e. intending to become rich, are characterized as sinful.

In another passage Jesus was quoted a saying:

it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God

- Luke 18:25

So based on the above principles, gambling is indeed a very bad vice based on Christianity.
There's big political reasons why the various Christian churches in the later years haven't done much to talk against gambling.
Personally I'm not a Muslim but I understand why many predominantly Muslim countries limit gambling. It's just in accordance to what their forefather's were taught to be a very bad vice.
In contrast predominately Christian countries not doing anything to limit gambling sounds very hypocritical based on how the bible views gambling also.

[angrybirdy]

Again, it is actually unethical to discuss the issue of gambling with religion and link it, remember that gambling is personal and so is religion, so it is very important for us to respect other people's views on rules and morals.  i am also a Christian and really respect other Christians who don't gamble because they think gambling is bad behavior, i never feel like i'm right, i just gamble without harming myself, my family and also other people because some radical Christians said that gambling destroys a person's personality and also destroys his life so in my opinion as long as the person is able to manage his gambling activities well then it is legal.

I agree with you, it's really unethical to tackle the gambling and religion issue because it's a broad topic and many people will get offensive in different type of comments here since we have different perspective when it comes to religion linked in gambling. Just like you, I always respect other people who definitely disagree in doing gambling because they have different beliefs and As a sign of respect, I chose not to have a conversation with them about it.

[TheUltraElite]

Religion has been created by humans to control the humans itself and to keep them in a civilized manner - reduce the sins/bad things and allow a "central powerful figure" to idolize.

These things are not really logical in the world of science but faith can go forward with many good things, but its a personal choice.

With these things in mind, I think the religious control over people to control their sinful actions are gradually being lifted and that is why people gambling even more. Here crypto is not a factor, its just money in another form. If someone wishes to gamble, they can and its their own choice.