[banned mixer], icopress, suspected of ponzi or exit scam!

[digaran]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477826.msg63350408#msg63350408

Time to get out the cough mixture...

Speaking of me, the trust is for a person's evaluation of their trust feedback - not for personal vendettas.

You are probably the most controversial person here on the forum

Given it wasn't that long ago you sent me a barrage of PM's *cough* suggesting I comply with your plans to manipulate the DT system - then distrusted me when I choose not to - I take your above statement to be a complement and wear it as a badge of honour.


You left out the

I'm sure LoyceV will be along shortly to remind you all of that.

and yet he's staying eerily quiet in this thread yet will jump on others to correct their misleading comments about his "guide"


As to Vod's trust list - he might "trust" some users, but they choose not to trust him.

https://loyce.club/trust/2023-12-16_Sat_05.07h/30747.html

Trust list for: Vod (Trust: +29 / =1 / -1) (DT1! (5) 1967 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2023-12-16_Sat_05.07h)
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Vod Trusts these users' judgement:

7. Foxpup (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (16) 1874 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. Welsh (Trust: +4 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (22) 3101 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
32. nutildah (Trust: +16 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (18) 6521 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

As it is Vod was trusting SiNeReiNZzz, however, SiNeReiNZzz had already chosen to distrust Vod.  (so now they distrust each other)

29. Removed SiNeReiNZzz (Trust: !!!:  +3 / =2 / -10) (793 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Well, if you were a true contributor, which I believe you are somehow, not always, but even though you are vengeful person, I have said this before that you have contributed to this community, only if you could keep your personal feelings apart from other things. Now if there is anything that needs to be known, it's your duty to the community you have tried so hard to protect to reveal any shenanigans happening behind the closed doors.

So you are either accusing him, or have proof to back this claim up, I won't rely on anyone here though, it seems money can shut people's mouth, a big surprise.

Vod also might want to know about DT manipulators, not that any thing matters any more, here people do everything and nobody questions them, but when you do the questioning, the result will be = troll, liar, scammer. Just ignore. Lol

Since I have posted a type 1 flag on icopress, I would like to make my case stronger, so do you have the PMs you claimed you have received from icopress, or did you lie? If you lied then I should apologize to him and withdraw my flag for wrongful accusation and then post a flag on you for the same reason as wrongful accusation and subtle extortion attempt.

If you have the PMs mentioned on the quote above, please share them here, since they are no longer private after you publicly talked about them, by keeping them a secret, you'll have the upper hands to manipulate icopress and blackmail him in the future if you haven't already received the hush money.

Yes, yes, I know icopress is literally the hand that is feeding most of the DT members, and since they don't believe that God is the one providing for all, they won't support this case. And I love being hated for telling the truth, it works as incentive that I'm on the right path.

Ps, I go after big fishes with dangerous potentials.
Edit:
1- The reason as to why I decided to post the flag is related to the fact that icopress is being accused by a legendary old timer for trust system manipulation, and the fact that I think they control the account of [banned mixer] , that service owner never replied to some concerning questions, these are 2 red flags so far, link to the mentioned ANN thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4667343.msg63331035#msg63331035

2- Then another red flag was raised when he offered to sell a fully functioning copy of [banned mixer] services to me for 17 BTC as if they own and control everything to a point where they have the freedom in offering such deals on behalf of their "clients", after all he is just a campaign manager and not a service representative on Bitcointalk, right? Link to said post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465443.msg63394403#msg63394403

3- A few days ago, Timelord2067, made a mistake, he revealed a bargaining secret by telling that icopress has contacted him several times to collude and manipulate the trust system, if it's true, then consider this the third red flag, which you can read about it on the quote above.

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[nutildah]

Since I have posted a type 1 flag on icopress, I would like to make my case stronger

I would say you don't have any case at all. This is literally the only thing he said in the thread you linked as your flag reference:

You are probably the most controversial person here on the forum

You're basing the flag on Timelord's hearsay, and now asking for PMs to be published after? None of this has anything to do with icopress' trustworthiness or ability to uphold trade agreements.

What compelled you to do this in the first place? If its not simple trolling, then I really don't understand.

[Poker Player]

Since I have posted a type 1 flag on icopress,

I don't know what you're wasting your time for. But at least now you don't get paid for bullshitting.

Yes, yes, I know icopress is literally the hand that is feeding most of the DT members, and since they don't believe that God is the one providing for all, they won't support this case.

Some of us believe that God has no influence in the world of the living, in any case he could have set the initial rules so that everything would work and wait for us after death but no matter how much you pray to him you are not going to get people to listen to your bullshit.

And I love being hated for telling the truth, it works as incentive that I'm on the right path.

Some of us don't hate you, in fact we laugh a lot at your bullshit.

What compelled you to do this in the first place? If its not simple trolling, then I really don't understand.

Be careful, lest a right to honor lawsuit be filed against you.

 

[digaran]

Please do note, I am not claiming either of them to be scammers, I just want them blacklisted from DT election for good, otherwise I have nothing against their livelihood.

As a matter of fact, icopress offered me a spot on a campaign, if I was a shady person, I would have moved my tail for him and sneaked into one of his managed campaigns by sucking up to him. This case has a great potential, 6-7 figures kind of potential, and that is where I come in, you guys could play your parts by "busting" bounty cheaters and small time scammers, which I truly respect(because that requires to spend time and a lot of efforts), but when it comes to serious stuff, don't mixup things. Please.

[Poker Player]

Please do note, I am not claiming either of them to be scammers, I just want them blacklisted from DT election for good, otherwise I have nothing against their livelihood.

Okay, so unsurprisingly, you haven't figured out how the trust system works, otherwise you wouldn't be creating flags to prevent certain people from being in DT.

As a matter of fact, icopress offered me a spot on a campaign, if I was a shady person, I would have moved my tail for him and sneaked into one of his managed campaigns by sucking up to him. This case has a great potential, 6-7 figures kind of potential, and that is where I come in...

And then you woke up.

[digaran]

Please do note, I am not claiming either of them to be scammers, I just want them blacklisted from DT election for good, otherwise I have nothing against their livelihood.

Okay, so unsurprisingly, you haven't figured out how the trust system works, otherwise you wouldn't be creating flags to prevent certain people from being in DT.

As a matter of fact, icopress offered me a spot on a campaign, if I was a shady person, I would have moved my tail for him and sneaked into one of his managed campaigns by sucking up to him. This case has a great potential, 6-7 figures kind of potential, and that is where I come in...

And then you woke up.

Man my man, the first time ever I read your post was on my thread about 1meow(1rogue), or it was on a related topic to symm if I'm not mistaken, and you from the beginning started off about me, you kind of remind me of Citb0in, so when you start attacking someone without having any prior interaction history with them, it would make it too obvious for you to be an alt, (of someone regardless).

Oh, I know exactly how trust system works, if DT's don't act on something important, then the only solution would be for them to be blacklisted by admin, and the flag will also serve it's perfect purpose, not to mention a trust feedback would seal the deal later on.

On a side note, I remember suggesting theymos to pay all staff members more than enough to make them not needing any active participation with alt accounts.  So I apologize  if any of the staff members have their alt enrolled under icopress managed campaigns, believe me I have nothing against you, and I hope that I never have said anything offending to any of your alt accounts inadvertently.

[Helena Yu]

Oh, I know exactly how trust system works, if DT's don't act on something important, then the only solution would be for them to be blacklisted by admin, and the flag will also serve it's perfect purpose, not to mention a trust feedback would seal the deal later on.

Nah.

If DTs not do something e.g. leave feedback, supporting/opposing a flag, etc, you will not get any punishment for that, as long as you not making multiple mistakes, you're fine.

Theymos isn't in favor to kick someone from DT network, except you can find the proof if someone is trusted by sock puppets.

Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with icopress is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so. This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user's opinions.

I don't think this is correct, DT network ≠ reputation. Someone who're not a DT can be trusted i.e. DT isn't the only way to evaluate someone whether it's a scammer or legitimate.

[digaran]

Helena, good girl, listen.
I publicly reveal shady behaviour so everyone can have a reference, if some people are dangerous to have on DT and other DTs take no action to remove them, then admin will have the power to blacklist them manually if he sees fit, my job is to provide intel. That's all. Whether anyone cares and follow up on it, is not my concern.  Besides, now both icopress and Tl are under investigation, they'd behave decently just to avoid giving me more reasons to prove my case further, that alone is a good mechanism in place.

[Vod]

I  am not as involved with the DT system as I used to be, seeing as what I know about Theymos.   Icopress has worked with me a couple times in the past without no issues.   I rank my interaction with him/her higher than your third party complaint.  

Post the flag.  No need to ask public opinion.

[LoyceV]

Since I have posted a type 1 flag on icopress, I would like to make my case stronger

The reference link for your Flag has nothing to do with icopress. There's another reason I Opposed it: I don't "believe that anyone dealing with icopress is at a high risk of losing money". I've been in his campaigns for 6 months now, and haven't lost money.

so do you have the PMs you claimed you have received from icopress, or did you lie? If you lied then I should apologize to him and withdraw my flag for wrongful accusation and then post a flag on you for the same reason as wrongful accusation and subtle extortion attempt.

You should withdraw your Flag. You shouldn't Flag someone "because someone else says something about a PM".

I know icopress is literally the hand that is feeding most of the DT members

Which one is it going to be: am I "at high risk of losing money", or am I "being fed"? You can't pick both answers.

[digaran]

Well, lol seems like I posted the thread OP as reference, while I wanted to link to Tl's post on that topic, do I need to "delete" opinion in order to edit the ref link? I'm on it.
Edit:
This is embarrassing, I can't edit the ref link, damn, I can't even post a second flag, guess this scar will remain there for years and everyone clicking on it would think I'm an actual troll. Such a sad development. And I feel ashamed to PM admin to fix the ref link pointing to this topic.

Now I need to put my tail somewhere and hit the road. I don't know why every time I wanna do something serious it turns into a joke. My fate maybe. 😂

[LoyceV]

do I need to "delete" opinion in order to edit the ref link?

You can't edit Flags, and you can only link a Flag to a topic (not a post). Since you've withdrawn the Flag: case closed.

[digaran]

Please read OP, I have edited it to include my reasonable concerns, in 1, 2, 3 on the bottom of the OP.

[icopress]

So, let's summarize what Digaran managed to find out.

1. It turns out that I am a dollar millionaire (please tell me where I keep the money so that I can take advantage of this opportunity).
2. The DT system is under my sole control.
3. Somehow Timelord receives PMs from me, despite the fact that 2/3 years ago he blacklisted me.

Digaran, if you want to know my weak points, just ask me and I will tell you. 

[Timelord2067]

I give permission for @theymos to verify this is an extract of a PM from icopress (one of a series)

 

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... (but I think that this is a lie).

And by the way, if you mentioned this, then one more vote is needed for redacted/b] to be removed from the DT list,

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There's more where that came from.

[icopress]

I give permission for @theymos to verify this is an extract of a PM from icopress (one of a series)

Given it wasn't that long ago you sent me a barrage of PM's *cough* suggesting I comply with your plans to manipulate the DT system - then distrusted me when I choose not to [...]

It's funny how you interpret facts. Now I see that you are an even bigger liar than I thought.

1. I haven't communicated with you via PM for over 3 years or so.
2. You added me to your distrust list after I left counter feedback to the feedback you left to Webtricks, after which (about a year or so later I did the same for other reasons).

But what’s even more funny is that, having actually written several dozen posts since 2017, I was a simple “member” who had only 10 merits and in fact my first post after many years of absence was dated September 21, 2020. This newbie, being a naive guy, contacted you on the issue of incorrect use of the feedback system (and I sent a copy of the letters to Loyce and several other guys).

It’s also funny that you, being a coward, refused to help me because you were afraid of retaliatory measures against yourself, while admitting that the red tag that I received was not justified. Although this quote describes this situation best.  

1. Cowardly little girl

When one forum member left me negative feedback because of a personal vendetta, Timelord agreed that this was a clear abuse of feedback. At the same time, he simply replied to me that he did not plan to use the tilde against him because of his feelings about his status (I think it was about the fact that the user would probably make a mutual exclusion and his DT position would become even worse).

2. Infantile behavior

Once upon a time, Timelord left negative feedback to Webtricks (I don’t remember exactly, but it was some kind of absurd reason). This confused me a little... since I knew Webtricks. For this reason, I left him a neutral and positive counter-feedback that accurately underlined the level of reliability of this person.

And what do you think?

A few hours later, Timelord blacklisted me (DM), used a tilde against me, and wrote me a couple more not-so-pleasant phrases. And this despite the fact that at that time we communicated more or less well with him. The irony is that he left the feedback, he soon deleted, but did not deign to admit his mistake.

[nutildah]

Given it wasn't that long ago you sent me a barrage of PM's

OK so it turns out it was over three years ago!    Not only that, it turns out the issue wasn't even really about "manipulating the DT system."

@digaran hope you learned a thing or two about why you shouldn't open frivolous flags based on non-evidence.

[digaran]

I give permission for @theymos to verify this is an extract of a PM from icopress (one of a series)

 

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... (but I think that this is a lie).

And by the way, if you mentioned this, then one more vote is needed for redacted/b] to be removed from the DT list,

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There's more where that came from.

Stop testing the waters, you can't have a bargaining chip anymore, it's either you have lost your grip and can't think clearly any more, or you have something solid that can buy icopress flags and negative trust. So I'd suggest to drop all of them.
And there is no need to give permission to admin to go through your PMs, because icopress is not denying to have send those PMs.

By sharing all of the dirty PMs, everyone can decide on their own whether to trust icopress or not.
Unless you consider yourself burned, and would like to get some hush money out of this situation, maybe you think you have lost your credibility and people no longer buy your words?

Of course you have already demonstrated your weakness when instead of tagging 1miau with red you left him a neutral, that was a clear sign of fear, showing that you are afraid to be more vulnerable, hence showing leniency, but when it comes to non DTs, you suddenly find courage. Nevertheless it's never too late for redemption.

[Poker Player]

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Among so much nonsense it is not clear to me if in the end you are going to make a fool of yourself by creating a flag against Timelord2067 in the same way you have made a fool of yourself by creating one against icopress. I already told you that praying doesn't work for things in this life, maybe it works for the next one, but until we don't pass away we can't know.

Timelord2067 has questionable behaviors and in fact I have him on ignore, but there are several people in the forum who have made economic deals with him and left positive feedback for it, so a flag, which has to be created for economic reasons and not for issues of use of the trust system, looks pretty ridiculous too.

[digaran]

Listen ginger pie, the flag description explains it well, you don't fit that description, however Tl proved he is not worthy of receiving a flag.
A news flash for you though, trust system is not for decoration, so if anyone is misusing it, doesn't deserve to be trusted for any economic deals. But if you know someone that is misusing the trust system and still you trust them, then that's your choice, doesn't mean everyone else should follow your choice the same way.
You or anyone else are free to do the same to me, then we will see if the flag system is also compromised the way trust feedback system is. Because if I'm not mistaken, any DT member abusing the flag system would get blacklisted from DT. So why not test that theory and do the same to me, if you got black listed, means you were abusing it, if not then it would mean you were right. Then I can stop bothering to care for anything here and would simply block my account by using the secret question option to prevent myself from posting here. And no, there won't be any request to admins to unlock my account, because guess what? If the flag is approved and nobody is black listed afterwards, means I am on the wrong side of arguments after almost 7 years of being a member here.

So do me a favor and go ahead, but also note that if after posting the flag some one gets blacklisted, I would do the same as blocking my account, because I wouldn't want to stick around, since I could misuse the notion of being trustworthy, and might do something stupid in the future ending bad for the administration.

Either of those outcomes will make me a hero and would send some clear messages:

1- If someone trustworthy vouches for certain people, do not blindly trust those people and later complain that I trusted them because X vouched for them. (consider merit, trust feedback and verbal acknowledgement as "vouch")

2- Don't be a jerk to take advantage of other's trust in you. cough symm, cough GB cough others in the future.😉

3- Don't fight in an army that doesn't care for it's wounded soldiers on the battlefield.