[Boxing] Anthony Joshua vs. Francis Ngannou - March 9

[FinneysTrueVision]

UFC superstars have better contracts now especially to demanding fighters. But still far from boxers' PPV revenue share and their purse guarantees. But maybe boxing superstars are overpaid or their purse guarantees are just too high which is why networks like HBO and Showtime left.

Purse inflation has certainly been detrimental to the sport of boxing. Fighters are less active than ever and less willing to take risks. It is why Canelo is fighting Munguia instead of Benavidez. Why face a bigger and more dangerous fighter when you can still make tens of millions against an inferior opponent. Let’s keep in mind that to even agree to fight Munguia was a difficult ordeal because Canelo’s preference was the less active and presumably easier Jermall Charlo. Fighters like Gervonta Davis have taken cherry picking to an even more extreme level by entirely avoiding any credible threat and trying to gaslight the public into believing his secondary titles are meaningful accomplishments.

[pawel7777]

He was the favorite during the first and 2nd fight between Fury, but in the 3rd, Fury ended and proved that he had won all 3 fights. Wilder was a 100% KO artist before he fough Fury, but he just found his kryptonite as he could not KO Fury, the guy got knock down, got up and continue like nothing happen/ I think that's really how strong Fury is, he might not be a KO artist but anyone who would fight him would struggle to beat him especially if they are thinking of pull up an impressive win.

I think the main reason for Wilder's downfall was his lack of resilience and weak mentality. He had a massively inflated ego from the zero-loss and 100% KO record. That was where he was getting his confidence from. The moment that was taken away from him by the draw in their first fight, his mentality collapsed like a house of cards. He realised he was not the "chosen one" destined for success. In the pre-fight interviews he looked scared and broken, Fury was totally dominating him. Before the 3rd, there was even a press conference when he refused to talk at all, which was a massive sign of weakness. Fury even offered to do both parts himself, which was hilarious.

I changed my mind, I want to see Wilder Vs Ngannou now. I think Wilder would be a favourite but it won't be as easy for him as it was for AJ.

[Rockstarguy]

For sure, Ngannou will excel in boxing with time, if puts his mind to it, at least he now knows that boxing is not only by physical strength alone but by the way one applies their defense and tactics they use to attack their opponent.

The first two fighters he has faced in his boxing career are top boxers, against less professional gamblers, I am sure Francis will win. He has had a good taste of boxing and must by now understand that a boxing professional will always be superior to a fighter from the MMA who wants to box.

It is a good learning experience for him, he made some good money while at it, the hype was surely there.

No doubt  i think this is a good start for him for him to always challenge professional boxers. This last fight he lost to Anthony Joshua was not really a lost for him but it is a fight that will prepare him for the future. Honestly I like his energy as a fighter,  he really want to go above this level and he will surely do well with the way he is going about boxing. Despite Anthony Joshua has more experience than him, before the fight Francis was so confidence that he is going to win the fight,  this is a good energy a good fighter should always have, to always have the mindset of winning.

[btc_angela]

He was the favorite during the first and 2nd fight between Fury, but in the 3rd, Fury ended and proved that he had won all 3 fights. Wilder was a 100% KO artist before he fough Fury, but he just found his kryptonite as he could not KO Fury, the guy got knock down, got up and continue like nothing happen/ I think that's really how strong Fury is, he might not be a KO artist but anyone who would fight him would struggle to beat him especially if they are thinking of pull up an impressive win.

I think the main reason for Wilder's downfall was his lack of resilience and weak mentality. He had a massively inflated ego from the zero-loss and 100% KO record. That was where he was getting his confidence from. The moment that was taken away from him by the draw in their first fight, his mentality collapsed like a house of cards. He realised he was not the "chosen one" destined for success. In the pre-fight interviews he looked scared and broken, Fury was totally dominating him. Before the 3rd, there was even a press conference when he refused to talk at all, which was a massive sign of weakness. Fury even offered to do both parts himself, which was hilarious.

Yes, and as we have seen when he lost the second fight, he was blaming everyone, the referee, the costume that he is wearing coming out, his trainer. And that is a sign that his ego has been damage already. And in his last fight he lost, again, I see that his lost with Fury has something to do with that, mentally wise.

I changed my mind, I want to see Wilder Vs Ngannou now. I think Wilder would be a favourite but it won't be as easy for him as it was for AJ.

The fight is a banger, two heavy hitters, but Wilder will have a massive advantage here in my opinion. Perhaps this fight could be good for him to get back his confidence and maybe still continue with his career and making good money.

[Japinat]

I changed my mind, I want to see Wilder Vs Ngannou now. I think Wilder would be a favourite but it won't be as easy for him as it was for AJ.

The fight is a banger, two heavy hitters, but Wilder will have a massive advantage here in my opinion. Perhaps this fight could be good for him to get back his confidence and maybe still continue with his career and making good money.

Let us not expect from Ngannou, he was already exposed, loss to AJ in just 2 rounds, so there's no reason for promoters to hype him as 0-2 is enough to conclude what he can do in boxing. Wilder vs AJ might be a good fight IMO, after all Wilder is still a boxer and who knows Wilder might upset AJ in this match and will put his name again in the possible championship fight. There's no guarantee that AJ could beat Wilder but I'm sure Wilder will just easily destroy Ngannou, and might experience the worst loss, worst that his loss to AJ. 

[Queentoshi]

Let us not expect from Ngannou, he was already exposed, loss to AJ in just 2 rounds, so there's no reason for promoters to hype him as 0-2 is enough to conclude what he can do in boxing. Wilder vs AJ might be a good fight IMO, after all Wilder is still a boxer and who knows Wilder might upset AJ in this match and will put his name again in the possible championship fight. There's no guarantee that AJ could beat Wilder but I'm sure Wilder will just easily destroy Ngannou, and might experience the worst loss, worst that his loss to AJ. 

Will you take this excuse from Francis as a good reason why his performance in the fight with Anthony Joshua was nothing compared to his first fight? 

Francis Ngannou has claim that the late start time of his fight against Anthony Joshua affected him.

Do you think time wastage can affect a fighter.
This is where I came across the news: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/francis-ngannou-claims-late-start-time-affected-him-in-fight-against-anthony-joshua/ar-BB1kisZo

Francis also has his ranking from number 10 in the WBC ranking dropped to number 24 as a result of his poor fight against Anthony Joshua that landed him a second loss in boxing.
https://www.telecomasia.net/news/boxing/ngannou-drops-to-24th-in-wbc-rankings-after-defeat-to-joshua/

[FinneysTrueVision]

Will you take this excuse from Francis as a good reason why his performance in the fight with Anthony Joshua was nothing compared to his first fight?  

Francis Ngannou has claim that the late start time of his fight against Anthony Joshua affected him.

Do you think time wastage can affect a fighter.
This is where I came across the news: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/francis-ngannou-claims-late-start-time-affected-him-in-fight-against-anthony-joshua/ar-BB1kisZo

Fighters come up with all kinds of weird excuses whenever they lose. It’s not as bad as saying your costume was too heavy, like Deontay Wilder, but it’s also not a convincing reason. Even if there is long delays between fights he could’ve just laid down to rest like those infamous photos of Canelo and Kovalev laying on a couch because DAZN was waiting for a UFC event to finish.

Ngannou lost because Joshua is a superior boxer who hit him with some brutal punches that he didn’t really know how to defend against. It is that simple.

Francis also has his ranking from number 10 in the WBC ranking dropped to number 24 as a result of his poor fight against Anthony Joshua that landed him a second loss in boxing.
https://www.telecomasia.net/news/boxing/ngannou-drops-to-24th-in-wbc-rankings-after-defeat-to-joshua/

Even with two losses I consider Ngannou more of a legitimate fighter than Jake Paul. In fact, since Jake is fighting a heavyweight next, I see no reason why he couldn’t fight Ngannou but I suspect he will be too scared because Ngannou isn’t almost a senior citizen or a blown up MMA weiterweight.

[bbc.reporter]

UFC superstars have better contracts now especially to demanding fighters. But still far from boxers' PPV revenue share and their purse guarantees. But maybe boxing superstars are overpaid or their purse guarantees are just too high which is why networks like HBO and Showtime left.

Purse inflation has certainly been detrimental to the sport of boxing. Fighters are less active than ever and less willing to take risks. It is why Canelo is fighting Munguia instead of Benavidez. Why face a bigger and more dangerous fighter when you can still make tens of millions against an inferior opponent. Let’s keep in mind that to even agree to fight Munguia was a difficult ordeal because Canelo’s preference was the less active and presumably easier Jermall Charlo. Fighters like Gervonta Davis have taken cherry picking to an even more extreme level by entirely avoiding any credible threat and trying to gaslight the public into believing his secondary titles are meaningful accomplishments.

This is also why according to Teddy Atlas, boxing is dying. Everything about organizing boxing fights and events are for money, however, much of the quality of the fights are low except for some of the main events. I will repeat again that much of them are similar to scam ICOs where the promoters hype their projects then dump them on their own followers. This sport of boxing should be the best against the best. However, coming from different promotions, organizations and the politics of this has made the sport a quagmire. Showtime and HBO have seen the future and it might not be positive.

[pinggoki]

Even with two losses I consider Ngannou more of a legitimate fighter than Jake Paul. In fact, since Jake is fighting a heavyweight next, I see no reason why he couldn’t fight Ngannou but I suspect he will be too scared because Ngannou isn’t almost a senior citizen or a blown up MMA weiterweight.

I laughed at this more than I should've, I haven't seen Jake Paul fight a legitimate fighter, he's like trying to be Floyd Mayweather but at least Mayweather chooses the real fighters when he's fighting unlike with Jake, it's mostly people that's not in the boxing scene for a really long time and most of the time, it's more on exhibition matches, as if he's ever proven himself to the world already that he only does exhibition fights which probably makes him the money but probably not prestige and acclaim as a boxer. Boxing really needs to change as a sport organization, it's so corrupt and the fighters can choose who they want to fight or not when that shouldn't be the case, it should be a test of your might that no matter who is put in front of you, you always do your best to fight them like what Pacquiao did in his time as a boxer.

[Japinat]

Even with two losses I consider Ngannou more of a legitimate fighter than Jake Paul. In fact, since Jake is fighting a heavyweight next, I see no reason why he couldn’t fight Ngannou but I suspect he will be too scared because Ngannou isn’t almost a senior citizen or a blown up MMA weiterweight.

I laughed at this more than I should've, I haven't seen Jake Paul fight a legitimate fighter, he's like trying to be Floyd Mayweather but at least Mayweather chooses the real fighters when he's fighting unlike with Jake, it's mostly people that's not in the boxing scene for a really long time and most of the time, it's more on exhibition matches, as if he's ever proven himself to the world already that he only does exhibition fights which probably makes him the money but probably not prestige and acclaim as a boxer. Boxing really needs to change as a sport organization, it's so corrupt and the fighters can choose who they want to fight or not when that shouldn't be the case, it should be a test of your might that no matter who is put in front of you, you always do your best to fight them like what Pacquiao did in his time as a boxer.

I think he fought a legitimate boxer before and it was against Tommy Fury, unfortunately he loss, so most probably he won't fight a legitimate boxer because he already experience losing and that will not help if he wants to grow his career. His popularity is really high, that is even despite he is not in a championship yet, even more popular than a boxers who are in a championship fight. 

Time will come, hopefully he will pursue to have a championship fight if his ranking is good so he can prove to the world that he really wants to become a champion and just making an exhibition fights as his stepping stone.

[TopTort777]

Even with two losses I consider Ngannou more of a legitimate fighter than Jake Paul.

Marvelous conclusion. I would say the same in more detailed form. Ngannou, a 37 years old guy who has been training boxing at 22, had 20 professional mma fights, looks more like a fighter than an 27 years old amateur who has started boxing late and is in the start of his boxing career. Why dont you compare identical career periods to make things more fair ? Who are those first 5-6 Ngannou opponents?

Rachid Benzina - guy with 0-1 record. Debut fight against Ngannou
Zoumana Cisse. 13-3, but Ngannou has lost to him.
Bilal Tahtahi - 0-3.
Nicolas Specq 2-2 when he met Ngannou.
Luc Ngeleka 1-1 when he met Ngannou.

Yeah, these guys are definitely better and experienced than Askren, Woodley and Silva.

[pawel7777]

I think he fought a legitimate boxer before and it was against Tommy Fury, unfortunately he loss, so most probably he won't fight a legitimate boxer because he already experience losing and that will not help if he wants to grow his career. His popularity is really high, that is even despite he is not in a championship yet, even more popular than a boxers who are in a championship fight.  

Tommy is hardly a professional boxer though. He might have a 10-0 record (including Paul) but he hasn't fought any higher ranked fighter yet. On top of that, it doesn't look like he's too much interested in serious boxing career and in moving up the ranks, as his next opponent is Olajide William Olatunji (aka "KSI"), some other "social media influencer" (which I only know from getting KO'ed by Jake Paul). So it's evident he's in it for the fame/money not for the sport.
But yeah, that was the closest to a real boxer Jake Paul has ever faced. I think there's a big chance he'll get whopped by Mike Tyson in July, despite Tyson being 58 at the date of the fight.