Mental rehabilitation clinic.

[samcrypto]

There is indeed a rehabilitation clinic when you get addict with drugs, and also in gambling. You can’t just tell the basic thing here and you must do everything professionally to help him/her to recover from that addiction. Its a multiple approach that only professionals knows how to implement it. Haven’t experience any rehabilitation yet but for sure every clinic have their own different approach to be more effective.

[komisariatku]

Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology.

However, I don't think many gamblers come to clinics because most gamblers don't want to admit that they are addicted to gambling before they spend a lot of money and are almost bankrupt.

What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?

I'm not sure what argument I would give because everyone's way of curing addiction is different, some people divert their attention to other activities, provide motivation to stop gambling, or just let it go until they go bankrupt and can't gamble anymore. I think we need to explore the character of the gambler to know how to deal with him

[o48o]

Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology.
    The main doctors there are gambling specialists, whose task is to convince you that you do not need to gamble. Your task, for example, is to prove that the patient most likely has a disordered game. In order to have long-term income, you need to have a gaming system. And not just a system, but a fairly innovative system of forecasting and risk management. Most likely the patient does not have it and never had it; otherwise he would have been successful and would not have ended up in rehab.
    It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself.
Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about?
       Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
    What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?

It doesn't work like that. I could give all the arguments in the world, but if i am not a close friend or relative in their life that they care for, they wouldn't listen. Not even if i would win every argument. People don't deal well with logic and even in here, if i try to argue that martingale doesn't mathematically work, people think it does in short term because they had luck with it. If i mention that it's only because they are risking more money, it doesn't even seem to register with them. So reasoning isn't the way out of addiciton, want and need comes from the addict himself.

If i would be a close group of friends for example, we could do an intervention, telling that we are worried and tell the addict how their actions affect on us. But that's the only thing we can do. If someone want's to gamble no matter what there's no stopping them. Only they can take the first step.

[Westinhome]

There is indeed a rehabilitation clinic when you get addict with drugs, and also in gambling. You can’t just tell the basic thing here and you must do everything professionally to help him/her to recover from that addiction. Its a multiple approach that only professionals knows how to implement it. Haven’t experience any rehabilitation yet but for sure every clinic have their own different approach to be more effective.

The rehabilitation clinic was essential for the gamblers who get addicted to the gambling after some loss.If the gambling was played without any expectation will not hurt them,because the expectation will hurt all the time.Even after the loss the gamblers should not expect of the winning from the gambling site,because the winning was possible in the gambling site for the people never expected any winning.The rehabilitation centre should be sponsored by the gambling site,because they should understand the loss of the gambling also reason for their gambling addiction,even though gambling loss was not permanent.

[Reid]

Another argument that a gambling addict patient may give is because he can afford it. He has the money so why stop now? That kind of reasoning will be difficult to deal with. Rich guys.
Maybe his family were the ones who put him in rehabilitation but he will keep on telling the therapists that it is a mistake that he was there because of his financial capabilities. I don't see any good argument with these type of people because what they are telling may be true. Unless we are on the same boat as him, we would never understand what he is going through. Money can control things and he might get out of the rehabilitation facility anytime he want and that will risk the addiction to grow.
For people like this there's limited options to make a solution on their problems.

[Iroh]

You can take a horse to the river bank but you can’t force it to have a drink of water. Someone not willing to recognize his problems cannot go about solving it. The patient first needs to muster enough will to get better cause he’s going to need a lot during the journey.
It really is quite necessary to find a new hobby that would help give you something else to focus on. Might as well be a productive one that could add to one’s worth.

I would expect a child to give weak arguments like “getting rich in future only if you continue gambling” and “how his luck is just around the corner” but I also wouldn’t be surprised to hear such from adults.
I’ll say.. this topic is quite interesting and engaging too. Would want to read other people’s approach to this.

[Hispo]

Well, if there was on my hands to try to rehabilitate someone who is addicted to gambling then I would start by try to talk about it is supposed to be an activity done for the sole purpose of fun and amusement; the patient then would likely talk about money and how gambling has changed the life of many people who are lucky enough at the right time. When the conversation comes to that point I would procede by starting to give small and comprehensible classes of laws of probability, but I would not get for a class filled with numbers and formulas which the patient would be very unlikely to understand. I would go with analogies and practical exercises for him to understand how small his chances are.
I have come to a personal conclusion that many of the people who become addicted to gambling actually underestimate the small size of their chances to change their life positively forever thanks to gambling, while being a gambler.

Also, I do not think using medicine for someone to help to overcome an addiction is bad, though I can understand people could feel afraid of using them at first.

[Rufsilf]

As a concerned citizen, perhaps we should recognize the negative impacts of gambling in our lives if we overindulge and go beyond our limits. I am not a medical expert.  Gambling addicts usually don't follow what other people say and advise them. What is our purpose then or our arguments to them if they still don't obey what we will say, for the sake of their mental health and well-being? It will be useless. Since experts are the ones with the most knowledge in this area, I believe that professionals should have this conversation rather than basing it just on our personal opinions.
Honestly, it might take time and effort to overcome a gambling addiction since it is a process, and recovery should be approached with perseverance, patience, and a readiness to ask for assistance when necessary.

[CODE200]

Yes there are rehabilitation clinics like that, that's basically how a rehab works dude, there's no pharmaceuticals involved there, it's supposed to be a sanctuary towards sobriety. I've been to one of those places before and I don't think they're doing any kind of drug administering there to cure someone of their addiction, most of the staff there are psychologists that helps with curing how the addict's mind works towards an addicting habit and most of the activities there are physical and laborious but at the same time shapes them into something new. You should go out more often OP and try to find these places because they're not that hard to find and there's a lot of them around, you might even be able to volunteer as a helper in some of them, you might change how you view addiction when you're with the people that's rehabilitated there.

[Fundamentals Of]

If somebody is already addicted to gambling that he badly needs intervention from a professional, that's the biggest proof that whatever he believes in is a lie. If the patient says I need to continue to be able to find my luck. I will tell him to shut up and look at his miserable life chasing that elusive luck. It is easy to provide stats in terms of losers and winners in gambling. Out of a million gamblers, how many have actually grown rich because of it? A hard evidence for this argument is easy to find. You only have to look around your neighbors who are themselves gamblers but who remain unlucky.

[coinerer]

Medical science knows how well such treatments work.  I don't study medical science so I don't know how to cure a gambling addict through treatment. Because gambling addiction is a problem with your thinking. Those who are addicted to gambling think that through gambling they will win huge and through that win they will become very rich.  Many times stories are heard of someone winning millions of dollars. And that thought makes a gambler more addicted.  So I really don't know if medical science will be successful in any way to cure this addiction

[Awaklara]

I'm sure it exists, it's just that there is nothing famous about that clinic. or let's just say that the majority of workers there are psychiatrists.

I think the psychiatrist is the right person to treat gambling addiction problems. as long as the mental disturbance has not reached a chronic stage. in the sense that addicts can still be invited to discuss and tell stories about their gambling experiences.
This requires people who are truly experts in their field. treating people with certain addictions still requires using sedative drugs. because usually there are anxiety or even worse effects for addicts if they don't carry out their gambling activities.

What can be done is to make addicts relax enough to think and talk about the profits they get and what losses they experience when gambling. This cannot only corner the addict into making mistakes, but we still have to balance the response that is considered positive from the addict so that he or she still feels comfortable and indeed they are not being pressured.

Healing will take time, any form of addiction cannot be eliminated instantly. they have to work gradually by building awareness within the addict itself.

[Jody.Drummer]

This is interesting, if I were in the position of an expert in terms of overcoming gambling addiction, then maybe a very reasonable theory would be the main thing that I would emphasize to one of the patients who are victims of addiction, really emphasizing that gambling is a game of probability that does not have any element of success in it, one of the reasons is because a gambler cannot do any process except just praying "hopefully in this session I am lucky and win", then will success be achieved just by praying? Yes I understand that prayer is one of the keys to success too, but what you have to understand is that don't you never know the reason why you can win  and lose? You also realize that your victory is due to the luck that comes in the session you are doing.

Maybe we have agreed that winning depends on how lucky you are at the time, and let's talk about luck, trying to emphasize that doesn't luck have no consistent element in it? It's not luck if it always happens, and that means there is nothing to learn in the concept of luck which of course until whenever you will never know when you will win and this is a strong reason why you will never become a rich man just by gambling. I think the patient can digest this statement if all the theories explained really make sense, with  this I believe the realization will begin to appear and then I will advise him to fill the time with many activities in his daily life so that his mind can be distracted from gambling.

[michellee]

Medical science knows how well such treatments work.  I don't study medical science so I don't know how to cure a gambling addict through treatment. Because gambling addiction is a problem with your thinking. Those who are addicted to gambling think that through gambling they will win huge and through that win they will become very rich.  Many times stories are heard of someone winning millions of dollars. And that thought makes a gambler more addicted.  So I really don't know if medical science will be successful in any way to cure this addiction

Perhaps a doctor will use different methods of healing so that there is no best way for each gambler because there are types of gamblers who are addicted to gambling. Gambling addiction may be a mental or mental problem because it concerns what a person thinks.

When someone has become addicted to gambling, different treatments will be needed according to the severity of that person's gambling addiction. So an experienced doctor will know what to do if he encounters a gambling addict. He can adapt to conditions and situations and determine his methods.

However, there will be discoveries of more effective ways for each type of gambling addiction. And with the current technological developments in the medical field, it really help doctors in curing people who are addicted to gambling.

[arjunmujay]

Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology.
    The main doctors there are gambling specialists, whose task is to convince you that you do not need to gamble. Your task, for example, is to prove that the patient most likely has a disordered game. In order to have long-term income, you need to have a gaming system. And not just a system, but a fairly innovative system of forecasting and risk management. Most likely the patient does not have it and never had it; otherwise he would have been successful and would not have ended up in rehab.
    It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself.
Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about?
       Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
    What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?

This is called a crazy doctor wanting to cure a crazy person. if the doctor is already addicted to gambling, why do you even want to cure people who want to stop playing gambling. yes, I will definitely invite them to chat further about gambling and maybe talk a lot about determining a better strategy to get more profit. haha just kidding. 
The only cure for gambling addiction is mental health and being able to think clearly to be able to think about what he has done from his gambling.
The doctor will definitely direct to meditation and so on as a matter of contemplation only. but still with calm medicine. because every gambler will definitely experience turmoil in their lust until they cannot control their brain to stop playing gambling.

[Solosanz]

The problem of gambling addict is money, so you need to give a solution how to make a good amount of money in easy way, if you can't find it, he will not change.

This is called a crazy doctor wanting to cure a crazy person. if the doctor is already addicted to gambling, why do you even want to cure people who want to stop playing gambling.

You get it wrong, a gambling specialist isn't a gambling addict, it's either someone who make money from gambling/know to beat the casino or someone who expert in self control. In this context, it means the doctor is someone who has a good self control, that's why his job is to handle a gambling addict.

[robelneo]

Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about?
       Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
    What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?

It's questionable if the form of treatment is through argument and counterargument, if you're treating a gambling addict they do it through behavioral therapy, medications, and group help but I doubt if an argument can help gambling addicts, they will defend their addiction through reasoning and argument and because of their pride, they will beat you through their argument.
Gamblers are good when it comes to defending their passion so I doubt if gambling experts can even help cure or improve the condition of gambling addicts.
Instead of arguments, the professionals employ diagnosis and there are many parts of diagnosis when it comes to treating gamblers.

Check this article how professionals treat addiction to gambling.

Compulsive gambling

[Julien_Olynpic]

Friends! Thank you, I read all your answers. Let's continue the discussion. I would like to discuss such arguments.
1. Regarding pharmacology. I really think that pharmacology in the rehabilitation of gambling addicts is of secondary importance. For example, to correct depression. The main reason for gambling addiction, in my opinion, is a pathological worldview. They have over-valued ideas that are not true or do not fully correspond to them. And the cure will come when people themselves abandon these ideas. Not earlier.
2. The argument “Most people lose in the long run” and “it is impossible to make money in poker and sports betting.” Still, we know, perhaps, several dozen people who have made or are making money from gambling. But there are very, very few of them. The main mistake a person makes is that he hopes to get into this very small number.
     But how can a person prove that he will not be included in this number?

[EarnOnVictor]

Imagine that there is such a rehabilitation clinic for people who are addicted to gambling. Now imagine what they treat there without the use of pharmacology.
    The main doctors there are gambling specialists, whose task is to convince you that you do not need to gamble. Your task, for example, is to prove that the patient most likely has a disordered game. In order to have long-term income, you need to have a gaming system. And not just a system, but a fairly innovative system of forecasting and risk management. Most likely the patient does not have it and never had it; otherwise he would have been successful and would not have ended up in rehab.
    It is also necessary to find something for the patient to do instead of playing, so that he can occupy himself.
Now imagine that this gambling expert is you. What arguments will you give? What will you tell the patient about?
       Please note that the patient will resist to the last. He will give counterarguments. For example, that he will get rich in the future, he’s just not lucky yet.
    What other arguments do you think the patient will give? How do you respond to these arguments of his?

I hope one day, this kind of rehabilitation centre will be available for gambling addicts, and I must say that it will help so many of them. First, it is not a matter of drugs, so there can't be much related to it, but to make the investigation thorough about the underlying issues or causative, I believe that they might want to conduct some tests and drug tests will be part of them to know the cleanness of the person they are dealing with so that they will not be wasting their time on other things when it is partly caused by drugs. These people are professional and I believe they should know how to engage their patients more than a common person who is not in the field. They should know that there will be ugly behaviours and resistance.

We are talking about psychiatrists, psychologists, therapists and the related fields here, they will enter into your mind and get it fixed. It is not about them entertaining arguments alone and questions, they know the kind of mental treatment you need if you are such that will be adamant, this is the nature of their job and they would have seen worse than the tough persons, for this, I believe how to have their ways around it will never be an issue. Besides, it is a general thing that gamblers need money which is why most of us are doing it and the addicts will always want to use that as an excuse from going back to it. But with their right convictions with proofs, and with practical examples of the former people before the person in question and how they ended their lives without gambling success, such gamblers might have a rethink. I am not an expert in this field so do not let me go further, but emphatically, for a clinic like this to be established you should know that they are not there to play. They would have every answer to every issue and a higher record of success would be achieved.

[iv4n]

2.The argument “Most people lose in the long run” and “it is impossible to make money in poker and sports betting.” Still, we know, perhaps, several dozen people who have made or are making money from gambling. But there are very, very few of them. The main mistake a person makes is that he hopes to get into this very small number.
     But how can a person prove that he will not be included in this number?

You are not talking about a Mental rehabilitation clinic... As far as I can see from your opening post and this post you are talking about some "gambling school". A place where gamblers can learn more about gambling and about the ways of improving their winning odds.

The thing is that nobody can prove anything when it comes to gambling. It's on us to try it, as most of us are trying, but we don't know the result and we can't predict the outcome. In the end, just a few percent of people will make some profit and others will be on the losing side. There are no guarantees in gambling, so running this "gambling clinic or school" can give some people false hope that they can make money in gambling in the long run.