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Question: Who do you think will win?
Inoue by KO
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January 10, 2024, 06:35:20 AM
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Ain't that too soon for him? I bet Inoue wants to keep on fighting and cement his legacy in boxing but I think his team should be smarter when they accept contracts. I understand that he's still young and at his peak but they should be looking after their fighter's longevity too. Maybe take a a page from Mayweather's book on how he negotiates and leverage his position.

I dont think so. Fighters in the past has way too many fights in 1 year than todays. Also, Inoue didn't really have any serious injuries or even being hurt from his last fight against Tapales, since Tapales did not make any hard blows on Inoue. So, I guess every thing would be fine considering that the opponent may not be a huge threat against Inoue as well. Nery may have 70% KO percentage, but I don't think it would be enough to take down Inoue.
Honestly, I'm starting to get disappointed with Inoue. He should start climbing weights and fight elite fighters by now, he have been dominating that weight division already and he hasn't even step foot outside Japan for any of his professional matches. I'd honestly want to see Inoue fight in a catchweight with any of the elite fighters like Tanks Davis, that possible though.

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January 10, 2024, 06:36:46 AM
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This will be a boring fight because it will be again in Tokyo and the opponent is not very exciting for the fans. However, this might be a good chance for John Riel Casimero to challenge and win against someone who will make him a contender to challenge Inoue for his WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF championships. I reckon with Casimero's personality, if he fights Inoue it should certainly be in Las Vegas.
It looks like he just wants boring opponents tbh. Everyone wants that Inoue-Casimero fight but I think Inoue management doesn't want that at all or both couldn't have a better consensus. For sure they'll wreck PPV for this fight to happen but they just couldn't make this a reality, what a waste.
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January 10, 2024, 07:01:05 AM
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This will be a boring fight because it will be again in Tokyo and the opponent is not very exciting for the fans. However, this might be a good chance for John Riel Casimero to challenge and win against someone who will make him a contender to challenge Inoue for his WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF championships. I reckon with Casimero's personality, if he fights Inoue it should certainly be in Las Vegas.
It looks like he just wants boring opponents tbh. Everyone wants that Inoue-Casimero fight but I think Inoue management doesn't want that at all or both couldn't have a better consensus. For sure they'll wreck PPV for this fight to happen but they just couldn't make this a reality, what a waste.
Nery is not a boring fighter. Looking at his record , you can see that he has 27 wins from 35 fights, and that's a lot of experience with a 77% KO rate. It will only be boring if this will be one sided beat down again, and as what we had witness in the past, Inoue always dominates his opponent, so let's see if Nery is different.

About Casimero, he is not the number 1 challenger yet, but maybe he'll next in line, if Inoue really intend to give him a chance.

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January 10, 2024, 07:11:26 AM
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I had the feeling they would lift Nery's suspension.

Yes, it was already lifted and was reported.
Former WBC champ Luis Nery has suspension lifted, will fight Oct. 6

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Former bantamweight world titlist Luis Nery has had his suspension lifted by the WBC and is scheduled to return to the ring on Oct. 6.

In June, the sanctioning organization suspended him from participating in any bouts the WBC was involved in for six months, retroactive to his failing to make the 118-pound weight limit for a title defense in March.

So no more speculation now, this fight is going to happen as no more hindrance that would likely stop it. However, I'm afraid that Nery's ban being lifted was not really a good news because he will suffer his biggest loss in boxing in the hands of Inoue in Japan.

This guy has 1 loss via KO from    Brandon Figueroa.

Even if the ban is lifted I don't think Nery has a chance against the monster Inoue but what is alarming here is Nery has been accused of using a banned substance.
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Nery, a brutally dispatched the 35-year-old veteran in two rounds, was already on thin ice with the JBC and the Japanese public after it was revealed that he tested positive for the banned drug Zilpaterol prior to his fourth-round stoppage of Yamanaka last August in Kyoto.
https://www.ringtv.com/530936-japan-boxing-commission-bans-luis-nery-life/

I've already posted that no one in the 122 lbs can equal Inoue's power and speed, but it's different when his opponent is using a banned substance, I'm sure Inoue's camp is fully aware of this and will take all the necessary precautions for his opponent to comply.

Nery is made for Inoue's style he loves to mix it up but he is slow and does not have good lateral movement I expect Inoue to use his speed to finish Nery, Nery needs all the luck in the worlkd to beat Inoue, who is getting better every fight.

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January 10, 2024, 07:42:00 AM
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As expected, Inoue is set to defend his title against Luis Nery of Mexico. Just don't understand why the venue will be in Tokyo, Japan as Nery was banned from fighting in Japan due to cheating but I guess it has already been lifted (for confirmation).
regarding Luis Nery's ban, from what I understand on this article, his ban will be lifted before the fight, but there was no mention whether the lift of the ban on Nery will be permanent so I assume the lifting on his ban will only be for this fight against Inoue.

I am not familiar with Luis Nery so I am curious how he will fare against "the Monster" Naoya Inoue.

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January 10, 2024, 08:47:52 AM
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This will be a boring fight because it will be again in Tokyo and the opponent is not very exciting for the fans. However, this might be a good chance for John Riel Casimero to challenge and win against someone who will make him a contender to challenge Inoue for his WBA, WBC, WBO and IBF championships. I reckon with Casimero's personality, if he fights Inoue it should certainly be in Las Vegas.
It looks like he just wants boring opponents tbh. Everyone wants that Inoue-Casimero fight but I think Inoue management doesn't want that at all or both couldn't have a better consensus. For sure they'll wreck PPV for this fight to happen but they just couldn't make this a reality, what a waste.
Nery is not a boring fighter. Looking at his record , you can see that he has 27 wins from 35 fights, and that's a lot of experience with a 77% KO rate. It will only be boring if this will be one sided beat down again, and as what we had witness in the past, Inoue always dominates his opponent, so let's see if Nery is different.

About Casimero, he is not the number 1 challenger yet, but maybe he'll next in line, if Inoue really intend to give him a chance.
Yeah, I'm referring as well to the fight and not solely to Nery because in my opinion Inoue will dominate this match. Well, I may be biased on who he fights but was just supporting my fellow countryman who happened to not that far away from my hometown and he's quite popular here. He's been itching to fight Inoue, he may talkative and boastful some of the time, but I think he can beat Inoue.
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January 10, 2024, 09:02:00 AM
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Ain't that too soon for him? I bet Inoue wants to keep on fighting and cement his legacy in boxing but I think his team should be smarter when they accept contracts. I understand that he's still young and at his peak but they should be looking after their fighter's longevity too. Maybe take a a page from Mayweather's book on how he negotiates and leverage his position.

He wasn't damage on his last couple of fights, he beat Donaire in 2 rounds, same with Fulton and Tapales, it didn't last the full 12 rounds. He might have been hit combine in those 3 fights by just 10% or even less power shots from those fighters.

So he is still fresh and for sure the Japanese body will not allow him if they see that Inoue is not fit to fight in May. Just like during the prime years of Canelo where he fight at least 3x in a given 12 months run. Not sure if we can compare him against Mayweather as Floyd carefully picks the fight he wants.

Yeah, he finish most of his fights in the early rounds, so he wasn't relaly challenge to his limit yet. Honestly, I feel that we will see a similar outcome on his previous fight in this particular fight as I don't see Nery a real good fighter that is on the level of Inoue. This will be this coming May, hopefully Inoue will also consider fighting Casimero before this year ends.

My prediction here is KO, as to the question if it's early or late rounds, that depends on how aggressive Nery is, the more aggressive he is, the riskier he will take.

True, as we have followed Inoue's career after winning the WBSS tournament, he always destroys his opponent regardless of whether they have a puncher's chance against him like Donaire, who has one of the most wicked left hook during his prime.

Or a slick American in Fulton, so he has face a lot of styles before and he always comes on top and beating them in fashion, with a devastating knockout. So just like you, I'm also seeing a KO win for the Monster specially if Nery chooses to be aggressive.

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January 10, 2024, 11:38:47 AM
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Ain't that too soon for him? I bet Inoue wants to keep on fighting and cement his legacy in boxing but I think his team should be smarter when they accept contracts. I understand that he's still young and at his peak but they should be looking after their fighter's longevity too. Maybe take a a page from Mayweather's book on how he negotiates and leverage his position.

He wasn't damage on his last couple of fights, he beat Donaire in 2 rounds, same with Fulton and Tapales, it didn't last the full 12 rounds. He might have been hit combine in those 3 fights by just 10% or even less power shots from those fighters.

So he is still fresh and for sure the Japanese body will not allow him if they see that Inoue is not fit to fight in May. Just like during the prime years of Canelo where he fight at least 3x in a given 12 months run. Not sure if we can compare him against Mayweather as Floyd carefully picks the fight he wants.

Yeah, he finish most of his fights in the early rounds, so he wasn't relaly challenge to his limit yet. Honestly, I feel that we will see a similar outcome on his previous fight in this particular fight as I don't see Nery a real good fighter that is on the level of Inoue. This will be this coming May, hopefully Inoue will also consider fighting Casimero before this year ends.

My prediction here is KO, as to the question if it's early or late rounds, that depends on how aggressive Nery is, the more aggressive he is, the riskier he will take.

True, as we have followed Inoue's career after winning the WBSS tournament, he always destroys his opponent regardless of whether they have a puncher's chance against him like Donaire, who has one of the most wicked left hook during his prime.

Or a slick American in Fulton, so he has face a lot of styles before and he always comes on top and beating them in fashion, with a devastating knockout. So just like you, I'm also seeing a KO win for the Monster specially if Nery chooses to be aggressive.

When his opponent are in the ring, you can tell that they cannot take the hard punches of Inoue since their style suddenly change, from being an aggressive fighter to a defensive one. And as usual, instead of seeing a toe to toe fight, it will only look like Inoue's opponent only came to survive.

So we can understand the frustration of the fans, they want a fighter that could potentially give Inoue's problem, like matching his skills.

IMO, Casimero had proven it already when he beat Tete when he was a heavy underdog.

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January 10, 2024, 12:15:10 PM
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When his opponent are in the ring, you can tell that they cannot take the hard punches of Inoue since their style suddenly change, from being an aggressive fighter to a defensive one. And as usual, instead of seeing a toe to toe fight, it will only look like Inoue's opponent only came to survive.
Obviously that's what happened. It seems like Inoue's confidence boost a lot when he beats Donaire, and now he has become an unstoppable beast. Inoue can beat Nery,  as we can see on the betting odds, it no different compared to his previous fights, so we can expect the same result.

So we can understand the frustration of the fans, they want a fighter that could potentially give Inoue's problem, like matching his skills.
Fans have still enjoyed his fight as he mostly end it with a KO.
It's just a matter of how long his opponent will survive, just like Tapales, he was too confident before the fight but in the ring, he became a counter puncher who is afraid to punch. See, that's what Inoue can do to his opponent, that's why he is called the "Beast", but Casimero call him as Turtle.  Grin

IMO, Casimero had proven it already when he beat Tete when he was a heavy underdog.

Yes, but he messed up many chances in boxing, so if he will get a fight with Inoue, it will be him so lucky. (But let's hope)

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Ain't that too soon for him? I bet Inoue wants to keep on fighting and cement his legacy in boxing but I think his team should be smarter when they accept contracts. I understand that he's still young and at his peak but they should be looking after their fighter's longevity too. Maybe take a a page from Mayweather's book on how he negotiates and leverage his position.

He wasn't damage on his last couple of fights, he beat Donaire in 2 rounds, same with Fulton and Tapales, it didn't last the full 12 rounds. He might have been hit combine in those 3 fights by just 10% or even less power shots from those fighters.

So he is still fresh and for sure the Japanese body will not allow him if they see that Inoue is not fit to fight in May. Just like during the prime years of Canelo where he fight at least 3x in a given 12 months run. Not sure if we can compare him against Mayweather as Floyd carefully picks the fight he wants.

Yeah, he finish most of his fights in the early rounds, so he wasn't relaly challenge to his limit yet. Honestly, I feel that we will see a similar outcome on his previous fight in this particular fight as I don't see Nery a real good fighter that is on the level of Inoue. This will be this coming May, hopefully Inoue will also consider fighting Casimero before this year ends.

My prediction here is KO, as to the question if it's early or late rounds, that depends on how aggressive Nery is, the more aggressive he is, the riskier he will take.

True, as we have followed Inoue's career after winning the WBSS tournament, he always destroys his opponent regardless of whether they have a puncher's chance against him like Donaire, who has one of the most wicked left hook during his prime.

Or a slick American in Fulton, so he has face a lot of styles before and he always comes on top and beating them in fashion, with a devastating knockout. So just like you, I'm also seeing a KO win for the Monster specially if Nery chooses to be aggressive.

When his opponent are in the ring, you can tell that they cannot take the hard punches of Inoue since their style suddenly change, from being an aggressive fighter to a defensive one. And as usual, instead of seeing a toe to toe fight, it will only look like Inoue's opponent only came to survive.

So we can understand the frustration of the fans, they want a fighter that could potentially give Inoue's problem, like matching his skills.

IMO, Casimero had proven it already when he beat Tete when he was a heavy underdog.
Thats a different scenario on which the thing he had made against Tete wont really be something that would be applicable to Inoue. Why? Inoue is smart and really that easy to adjust if ever he would be seeing that he is on disadvantage.Also, this guy do really know on how to make adjustment accordingly. The only thing that i had noticed that on the time that he had stepped his foot into this new weight division is that he did bit become slower and i dont know if someone do notice it out but with the recent fight against Tapales then it is really that noticeable on later rounds. Well, in times of exhaustion then it would really be just that normal
but it would really be just that normal that speed would be affected once that weight become even more heavier which it is understandable.

Fighting against Nery? Im not still that sure but this one would really be more better that against Tapales. He should really be at least careful yet
Nery isnt known to be a shit fighter yet this is also a hard hitter too with having that high KO percentage. Inoue shouldnt really be confident facing this one.

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January 11, 2024, 02:32:18 AM
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Ain't that too soon for him? I bet Inoue wants to keep on fighting and cement his legacy in boxing but I think his team should be smarter when they accept contracts. I understand that he's still young and at his peak but they should be looking after their fighter's longevity too. Maybe take a a page from Mayweather's book on how he negotiates and leverage his position.

He wasn't damage on his last couple of fights, he beat Donaire in 2 rounds, same with Fulton and Tapales, it didn't last the full 12 rounds. He might have been hit combine in those 3 fights by just 10% or even less power shots from those fighters.

So he is still fresh and for sure the Japanese body will not allow him if they see that Inoue is not fit to fight in May. Just like during the prime years of Canelo where he fight at least 3x in a given 12 months run. Not sure if we can compare him against Mayweather as Floyd carefully picks the fight he wants.

Yeah, he finish most of his fights in the early rounds, so he wasn't relaly challenge to his limit yet. Honestly, I feel that we will see a similar outcome on his previous fight in this particular fight as I don't see Nery a real good fighter that is on the level of Inoue. This will be this coming May, hopefully Inoue will also consider fighting Casimero before this year ends.

My prediction here is KO, as to the question if it's early or late rounds, that depends on how aggressive Nery is, the more aggressive he is, the riskier he will take.

True, as we have followed Inoue's career after winning the WBSS tournament, he always destroys his opponent regardless of whether they have a puncher's chance against him like Donaire, who has one of the most wicked left hook during his prime.

Or a slick American in Fulton, so he has face a lot of styles before and he always comes on top and beating them in fashion, with a devastating knockout. So just like you, I'm also seeing a KO win for the Monster specially if Nery chooses to be aggressive.

When his opponent are in the ring, you can tell that they cannot take the hard punches of Inoue since their style suddenly change, from being an aggressive fighter to a defensive one. And as usual, instead of seeing a toe to toe fight, it will only look like Inoue's opponent only came to survive.

So we can understand the frustration of the fans, they want a fighter that could potentially give Inoue's problem, like matching his skills.

IMO, Casimero had proven it already when he beat Tete when he was a heavy underdog.

But that was years ago and we haven't seen that kind of Casimero when he went to 122 lbs and his first 2 fights are not that impressive to us fans and maybe this is the reason why the camp of Inoue is not seriously taking him into consideration as Inoue's next fight, he is the 3rd choice by the way. And to make his name in the discussion, Casimero needs a impressive win like a knockout in his next fight.

As for this fight, we haven't seen a fighter that can really match against this version of Inoue.

He is too good that I think he can clean up this division easy and can knockout everyone if he wanted to.

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January 11, 2024, 03:12:44 AM
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As expected, Inoue is set to defend his title against Luis Nery of Mexico. Just don't understand why the venue will be in Tokyo, Japan as Nery was banned from fighting in Japan due to cheating but I guess it has already been lifted (for confirmation).
regarding Luis Nery's ban, from what I understand on this article, his ban will be lifted before the fight, but there was no mention whether the lift of the ban on Nery will be permanent so I assume the lifting on his ban will only be for this fight against Inoue.

I am not familiar with Luis Nery so I am curious how he will fare against "the Monster" Naoya Inoue.
Inoue might not be fighting outside Japan, so for sure the lifting of the ban with Nery is already on process as they are announcing this match.
Wondering as well if Nery will have a match for Inoue which is fresh from the big win. Inoue seems unbeatable as of the moment so this can be an easy bet for many, waiting for the odds to release and will surely place a bet as well.

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As expected, Inoue is set to defend his title against Luis Nery of Mexico. Just don't understand why the venue will be in Tokyo, Japan as Nery was banned from fighting in Japan due to cheating but I guess it has already been lifted (for confirmation).
regarding Luis Nery's ban, from what I understand on this article, his ban will be lifted before the fight, but there was no mention whether the lift of the ban on Nery will be permanent so I assume the lifting on his ban will only be for this fight against Inoue.

I am not familiar with Luis Nery so I am curious how he will fare against "the Monster" Naoya Inoue.
Inoue might not be fighting outside Japan, so for sure the lifting of the ban with Nery is already on process as they are announcing this match.
Wondering as well if Nery will have a match for Inoue which is fresh from the big win. Inoue seems unbeatable as of the moment so this can be an easy bet for many, waiting for the odds to release and will surely place a bet as well.
That is the question for whoever is the head of the Boxing commission in Japan, but it seems that this is already a good and they are going to lift Nery's ban anyways. So the fight is on and maybe they will released a official date once everything has been written in a contract that both parties have agreed.

And as we saw on Inoue, he is unbeatable and when we thought that fighters will at least give him a good test like Fulton or Donaire for instance, it's not even close as he takes control of the fight and knock them out.

And just to cap off Inoue's 2023 campaign, he was name fighter of the year by Ring magazine, https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2024/01/06/more-sports/inoue-ring-magazine/

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January 11, 2024, 06:24:15 AM
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I had the feeling they would lift Nery's suspension.

Yes, it was already lifted and was reported.
Former WBC champ Luis Nery has suspension lifted, will fight Oct. 6

The WBC suspension was different from the ban he got from the Japanese commission. The WBC comes off as being biased since fighters from their country always get lenient punishments. Six months is just a normal break in between fights in the current generation. Likewise, the Japanese suspension which was supposed to be for life ended up being meaningless because it was lifted as soon as he became a contender to a Japanese champion. In boxing, rules don't really apply because for the right price just about anybody can be bought.

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January 11, 2024, 08:15:38 AM
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In boxing, rules don't really apply because for the right price just about anybody can be bought.

This does only apply in boxing, even in other sports. Remember that this kind of sport belong to entertainment, and making money is their main priority, so we can't blame them because they see that Inoue vs Nery would be a great fight that will bring money to the promoters. Or maybe this could be their way so Inoue won't be able to fight Casimero which is next in line of Nery?

Another thing, why do this ban have to be lifted just to give way for this fight to happen when it can be outside Japan?

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In boxing, rules don't really apply because for the right price just about anybody can be bought.

This does only apply in boxing, even in other sports. Remember that this kind of sport belong to entertainment, and making money is their main priority, so we can't blame them because they see that Inoue vs Nery would be a great fight that will bring money to the promoters. Or maybe this could be their way so Inoue won't be able to fight Casimero which is next in line of Nery?

Another thing, why do this ban have to be lifted just to give way for this fight to happen when it can be outside Japan?

To give way to Inoue's request. The champ can choose which venue and mandate an opponent. Inoue capitalizes on his popularity and promoters favor him as well for he brings the money to the table and I guess it comes with lifting suspensions. He is more comfortable fighting in his own country.

If the Arabs were just fond of little fighting guys, they would have requested Inoue to fight in Saudi offering millions to him like Fury and Ngannou.

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January 11, 2024, 09:58:59 PM
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In boxing, rules don't really apply because for the right price just about anybody can be bought.

This does only apply in boxing, even in other sports. Remember that this kind of sport belong to entertainment, and making money is their main priority, so we can't blame them because they see that Inoue vs Nery would be a great fight that will bring money to the promoters. Or maybe this could be their way so Inoue won't be able to fight Casimero which is next in line of Nery?

Another thing, why do this ban have to be lifted just to give way for this fight to happen when it can be outside Japan?

To give way to Inoue's request. The champ can choose which venue and mandate an opponent. Inoue capitalizes on his popularity and promoters favor him as well for he brings the money to the table and I guess it comes with lifting suspensions. He is more comfortable fighting in his own country.

If the Arabs were just fond of little fighting guys, they would have requested Inoue to fight in Saudi offering millions to him like Fury and Ngannou.
Everything would really be depending on money talks on which it would really be just that normal that there would really be sudden adjustments if ever that they would really be able to agree into those terms specially if money would really in between. There would really be no further discussions and it would really be fixed up right away based up on the agreement. Why people do really love for Inoue to fight in other country or venue? They do really think that all of those wins from Japan venue are really that rigged or something that favors him all the time? If we do tend to see all of his performances that do happen into his hometown then it doesnt really have no sense if there would be those people who would really be thinking up that way.

Fighting against Nery? I would say that he shouldnt really be that confident because Nery does have power too and when it comes to speed and stamina then i can say
this guy does have it too. This is why it would be important that he should really know on making out adjustments.

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January 12, 2024, 01:56:08 AM
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Another thing, why do this ban have to be lifted just to give way for this fight to happen when it can be outside Japan?

That's one tough question to be answered by the promoters but I don't think the amount of money earned while fighting in Japan is equal or even more than bringing this one to the US. Japanese people are so proud that they get what they wanted and besides Inoue is a local hero for them so they have all the right to enjoy his every fight in their home country.


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January 12, 2024, 03:19:47 AM
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I'm not very familiar with Nery's fighting style, but it seems he's got a pretty decent power in his punches. But his winning record is not made up of hard opponents. He will just be an easy opponent for Naoya. If Nery is one aggressive fighter who does not fear trading blows against an opponent, he may will lose the fight in the first 6 rounds. Naoya likes this kind of battle. This is where his monstrous blows are best at and be most useful.

Betting odds will definitely be very heavy in favor of Naoya.
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I'm not very familiar with Nery's fighting style, but it seems he's got a pretty decent power in his punches. But his winning record is not made up of hard opponents. He will just be an easy opponent for Naoya. If Nery is one aggressive fighter who does not fear trading blows against an opponent, he may will lose the fight in the first 6 rounds. Naoya likes this kind of battle. This is where his monstrous blows are best at and be most useful.

Yes, I would say that he had a good power at this division, but I think his style is perfect for Inoue. He is very much aggressive which Inoue loves to because he can adjust in the fight and then it bring the best on him. Just like in the Donaire fight, in the second fight, Nonito is very much aggressive but Inoue was ready or at least his boxing IQ is there to make adjustments that why he knock him out.

Betting odds will definitely be very heavy in favor of Naoya.

I'm not surprised, fighter of the year honors, no one has developed a blue print yet to defeat him and so he will be the favorite in all of his fights so far. And I think everyone here think that he will continue and win by knockout.
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