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January 12, 2024, 08:59:57 PM
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It depends on each market moment. Of course, in sensitive times like these, holding is much safer than trading. But if 1 or 2 months ago when the market increased strongly, it would be a waste if we just held and ignored the trade. As you can see, in the past 2 months, almost the entire market has recovered very well and if someone took advantage of that, they would have increased their capital significantly.

Holding or trading has its advantages and disadvantages, it all depends on the strategy and skills of each investor. Not everyone who holds will always be a winner and those who trade will always be losers.
Absolutely. Trading does not guarantee success as well as hodling itself. The only way it gets successful and profitable is that if you have the knowledge and skills to do it on a consistent basis.

However, the time to hold or to trade really depends on the market situation. If you are seeing that there is high probability to make profits with trading, then trade but make sure not to leverage if you are less capable to do it. Consider hold than trading, it's way safer and less risky if you prefer to hold long term most particularly for bitcoin.

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January 12, 2024, 09:03:41 PM
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Do you think trading will help at the point like this from my looks it seems like is the worst thing to do instead just hold and do not leverage or trading in future. This news give a sudden hype to the market just imagine how many newbies that has lost huge funds within this few days of Sec announcing the ETF. I felt for those who bought bitcoin at the pick price of $47k with the mindset it could gets to 50k and above without knowing it was a wrong entry point.


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January 12, 2024, 09:30:45 PM
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Price volatility can be caused by many factors – which is why there is always a risk warning in trading and investing. They must learn to know the market better rather than getting too comfortable just holding on when there are still too few sat of bitcoin. Of course they should know that trading with futures carries a high risk of loss - but any user can try it as long as they understand the risks and strategies.

Trading futures with high leverage is suicide - that's the reality. However if they set a low leverage for example <5 - then maybe it is something that can be profitable in the long run especially if combined with the right strategy. Futures trading with the right strategy is still fine - the problem is when trader set high margins without consideration of risk.

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January 12, 2024, 10:00:11 PM
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Trading is actually more productive and profitable than hodling so we can't hold the people if they really desire to trade. While trading is a lot more profitable than holding, but the risks on it are also bigger than hodling alone.

However, every situation requires the proper method or strategy on what's the best thing to do to end up with significant profits. Either you trade or hold, that depends on how skillful you are to that and that would cater the current market situation, otherwise if you take suicidal in trading, you might end up losing everything you have and regret why you trade earlier without setting a plan fisrt.

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January 13, 2024, 12:14:35 AM
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Well, everyone is not the same. I believe that there are people who trading is the main key thing they do to make their own money, so you can't tell such people that they should stop trading, rather they should learn to be very careful while trading, because we all know how volatile the market can be.
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January 13, 2024, 04:57:23 AM
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Trading is actually more productive and profitable than hodling so we can't hold the people if they really desire to trade. While trading is a lot more profitable than holding, but the risks on it are also bigger than hodling alone.

However, every situation requires the proper method or strategy on what's the best thing to do to end up with significant profits. Either you trade or hold, that depends on how skillful you are to that and that would cater the current market situation, otherwise if you take suicidal in trading, you might end up losing everything you have and regret why you trade earlier without setting a plan fisrt.
For beginners, perhaps holding is better than trading, considering that the risk is very high for trading, we must have complex skills to collect profits from each transaction, or we must have the courage to make cut losses so as not to fall into bigger losses. It's true that only a few traders are successful, but we can still learn by holding a larger holding and using less capital to trade, that way we can progress as a trader, until the time comes when we can do both very well.

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January 13, 2024, 12:02:15 PM
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In futures trade, if you trade with excess leverage, you can get liquidated at any time. A lot of the negative impact on the crypto market comes from social media news. Just a few days ago, a news was leaked through social media which had a negative impact on the cryptocurrency market. But before trading futures, you must take as much loss as possible. Do not take risks that may endanger your life.

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January 13, 2024, 02:36:39 PM
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SEC. made a big hoax hours ago. You and your account are well now with conditions that you did not use leverage or futures in trading.

Within several minutes, SEC. and their hoax triggered both Long liquidation and Short liquidation in Bitcoin market. It's a big opportunity for people to learn and understand risk of Leverage, Futures trading and if they absorb it well, they can protect their capital better and won't lose money like those people who were Long liquidated or Short liquidated hours ago.

What's the hoax?

SEC Grants Approval For Bitcoin ETFs -- HOAX

Better to hold than trade.  If one is holding without trading, then holding would be best for him. There are many people who jump into trading after keeping it for a while. Especially those who entered the futures trade lost all their money and returned home. I have never met a futures trader who never lost money. No matter how experienced a futures trader is, losing money is guaranteed. So I would like to say to every Bitcoin user and Bitcoin investor, hold on and you will profit in the future. Never go to futures trading platform you will lose your money forever. So always keep yourself away from futures trading.

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January 13, 2024, 04:37:30 PM
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Trading is actually more productive and profitable than hodling so we can't hold the people if they really desire to trade. While trading is a lot more profitable than holding, but the risks on it are also bigger than hodling alone.

However, every situation requires the proper method or strategy on what's the best thing to do to end up with significant profits. Either you trade or hold, that depends on how skillful you are to that and that would cater the current market situation, otherwise if you take suicidal in trading, you might end up losing everything you have and regret why you trade earlier without setting a plan fisrt.

Right. Trading can be more profitable, but it's risky. Your success depends on your skills, strategy, and reading the market right. Jumping into it without a plan can lead to big losses, and you might regret not thinking things through.

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Futures seem like they're printed with gold promises and wrapped in flashy neon lights, but those things often come with nasty hidden fees and a fuse shorter than a hangry toddler.

I remember my own newbie days, eyes glazed over by charts and jargon, fingers itching to yank that leverage lever like a slot machine handle. Thankfully, a few quick bursts of panic-induced sweating and a near-death experience with liquidation brought me back down to earth. Holding, yeah, it might not feel like the coolest dance move in the crypto club, but it's like that reliable old friend who always gives you a ride home after a wild night and never judges your questionable pizza choices.

Now, don't get me wrong, trading can be a thrill ride, like riding a rocket built with rocket fuel and fueled by rocket fuel. But it's not for everyone. You gotta have nerves of steel, sharper than a samurai sword, and an analysis game tighter than a drumhead. Even then, one wrong guess and you're face-planting on the moon pavement with your dreams in tatters.

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January 13, 2024, 05:17:20 PM
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SEC. made a big hoax hours ago. You and your account are well now with conditions that you did not use leverage or futures in trading.
Personally I don't trade, I know I'm not good enough to do it, I simply prefer to buy whenever I can and keep accumulating. What the SEC did anyway is just disgusting, they are supposed to protect people from scammers and in reality they are the first one scamming people. And now they say the've been hacked, come on, who is going to believe that?

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January 13, 2024, 06:15:47 PM
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SEC. made a big hoax hours ago. You and your account are well now with conditions that you did not use leverage or futures in trading.

Within several minutes, SEC. and their hoax triggered both Long liquidation and Short liquidation in Bitcoin market. It's a big opportunity for people to learn and understand risk of Leverage, Futures trading and if they absorb it well, they can protect their capital better and won't lose money like those people who were Long liquidated or Short liquidated hours ago.

What's the hoax?

SEC Grants Approval For Bitcoin ETFs -- HOAX



This remains one of the greatest disaster by SEC in the history of the blockchain space. An entity that claims to be protecting investors but can't protect their channel of information disemination.

SEC caused the liquidation of assets that were supposed to be protected using the same tech they seem to be scrutinising, what a mess.

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January 13, 2024, 06:31:54 PM
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SEC. made a big hoax hours ago. You and your account are well now with conditions that you did not use leverage or futures in trading.
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The SEC made an ETF approval decision I welcome with good thoughts. They didn't and continued to play around with the decision between being approved or not before I also thought with positive thoughts because the main goal with Bitcoin was to hold, not make Bitcoin an asset for me to trade.
The profits from trading are not as big as the long-term profits so trading is not my specialty.
The flow of FUD will still be strong and will continue to fluctuate so that it can disrupt the market.

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January 13, 2024, 06:44:50 PM
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SEC. made a big hoax hours ago. You and your account are well now with conditions that you did not use leverage or futures in trading.
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The SEC made an ETF approval decision I welcome with good thoughts. They didn't and continued to play around with the decision between being approved or not before I also thought with positive thoughts because the main goal with Bitcoin was to hold, not make Bitcoin an asset for me to trade.
The profits from trading are not as big as the long-term profits so trading is not my specialty.
The flow of FUD will still be strong and will continue to fluctuate so that it can disrupt the market.
This is the shit thing when it comes to government on which price manipulation would be its finest.They would be telling about those investigation something like this and like that
but look at on what happened? It did really end up on being that quiet after a few days on which people had forgotten.

SEC says the FBI is now involved in investigating false post about spot bitcoin ETFs
https://www.theblock.co/post/271688/sec-says-the-fbi-is-now-involved-in-investigating-false-post-about-spot-bitcoin-etfs

FBI is investigating the SEC hack after its fake bitcoin post
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/10/investing/sec-hack-bitcoin-etf/index.html

Do we really believe that they would really be definitely be trying out to do these things? These are just cover ups and pretty sure
it would really be forgotten and people just simply move on.The earlier thing i do say, this is where things or shit things do really
come out when dealing up with the government.

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January 13, 2024, 09:12:33 PM
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SEC. made a big hoax hours ago. You and your account are well now with conditions that you did not use leverage or futures in trading.
Personally I don't trade, I know I'm not good enough to do it, I simply prefer to buy whenever I can and keep accumulating. What the SEC did anyway is just disgusting, they are supposed to protect people from scammers and in reality they are the first one scamming people. And now they say the've been hacked, come on, who is going to believe that?
I believe SEC has been very unpredictable these past few days, but we have no control over them so let's just ignore whatever they have to say. The important thing is, they have finally approved bitcoin ETF and that's all that matters. However, while expecting for bitcoin to create a significant price surge, the irony happened instead. I don't know what's the real intention of SEC approving bitcoin ETF, but I just hope it would create a real advantage for bitcoin.
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January 13, 2024, 09:34:06 PM
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The truth is that many people only look at getting money quickly and forget the basics in the market, if you don't hold, nothing belongs to you.

Using leverage is probably not suitable for basic users, because they easily make a lot of capital management mistakes and are also prone to following a certain trend. I am active in a few TG groups, most of the members only discuss the topic of long/short on futures contracts. And usually I see them criticizing CEX, some influencers, regulatory agencies, countries,... for price manipulation that led to trading orders being liquidated. That's still a personal mistake, understand that you're always on the wrong side because you lack the knowledge to get into the quagmire of those who create it.









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January 15, 2024, 08:22:59 PM
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The truth is that many people only look at getting money quickly and forget the basics in the market, if you don't hold, nothing belongs to you.

Using leverage is probably not suitable for basic users, because they easily make a lot of capital management mistakes and are also prone to following a certain trend. I am active in a few TG groups, most of the members only discuss the topic of long/short on futures contracts. And usually I see them criticizing CEX, some influencers, regulatory agencies, countries,... for price manipulation that led to trading orders being liquidated. That's still a personal mistake, understand that you're always on the wrong side because you lack the knowledge to get into the quagmire of those who create it.
Trading is only an activity that I can count on when the market is really good for trading. but when the crypto market is not doing well I am more inclined to hold and if the market crashes will buy more to accumulate assets in my portfolio. I do some spot trading and rarely trade futures because of the risk. If you don't use leverage wisely then it will be the beginning of many losses. Leverage is very vulnerable when price predictions are wrong then everything will disappear in an instant.
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January 15, 2024, 09:38:37 PM
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futures trading is actually made for people who want to make quick profits but don't want the hassle of investing. it's quite risky because the higher leverage means the faster someone's capital can be lost when they miscalculate their position. but the problem is that most futures traders are beginners who want to make quick profits in the market and ignore the risk that when they trade futures they can risk margin calls when they are in a losing position.

it is much better to trade on spot, where one can trade calmly and there are no margin calls. even when they experience a loss, if they can patiently hold the asset, they can recover the loss and can profit if the price of the bitcoin they hold increases more.
do you know that it is not everyone that is into threading that makes money in Trading so that is why when we talk about trading or when other people like newbies talk of threading they say it as if that trading is the ultimate or is the highest shortcut in order to make profit in cryptocurrency why trade and have a discipline half a policy that is the operate on

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January 16, 2024, 02:39:11 PM
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While these manipulations typically comes to the market and they're hyping some news, the daily traders are the mostly affected by these move by government, SEC or by the financial institutions. That's how they make huge money from these situations and they are not allowing any opportunity to pass by. So, we've seen that Gensler told that he's hacked and there will be no approval but then we've seen it after a few days, 11 Bitcoin spot ETFs have been approved. The same style by financial institution and leaders like Dimon that tells they don't like Bitcoin but then when the price plummets, they're buying.

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