I wonder if the forum would be much better without signatue campaigns

[LoyceV]

This forum will die if there is no signature campaign.

The fact that you registered just to post this proves otherwise

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[Viscore]

My views are quite different from yours. Without signature campaigns, I guess the whole forum members might not be this eager and well interested to post, simply because members are not paid anymore from their hard works and sleepless nights just to have quality posts. And for obvious reason, we will only see less quality posts but more likely spams and low content posts.

However, this is just from my own point of view. I would be lying if I’ll say I’m posting for no reason at all, but honestly, being paid with all these posts greatly matters.

[skarais]

This forum will die if there is no signature campaign. Look at other forums related to crypto without signature campaign. They got finished within one year of launch.

Bitcointalk is different from other discussion forum, so don't expect Bitcointalk to die just because the signature campaign is stopped. The bitcointalk forum will stay alive and have quality posters and most of them are users who don't care about signature campaign. After all, without a signature campaign, the average user's posting activity will decrease drastically and they will only be active to discuss something they consider important.

I'm just sure if in the end signature campaign's stopped in this forum, that anyone whose only goal is to make money from posting on the bitcointalk forum especially from signature campaign will leave and become inactive. Signature campaigns are a way for forum to incentivize their contributors, so admins probably won't stopped them.

[Poker Player]

This forum will die if there is no signature campaign.

The fact that you registered just to post this proves otherwise

I think you are self-deluding here.

For starters you don't know the intention with which he has registered, but I doubt very much that it is just to say that. He may have registered to build up that account and monetize it, it may even be an alt account of someone who already has a monetized account here.

On the other hand, I would like to see if you would still say the same if you were banned to wear a signature here, but especially if avatars were banned, so your income in this forum would be 0, and you would have the possibility to get paid 0.015 Bitcoins a week in another forum just for the avatar plus another amount for the signature, plus another amount for an alt account used from the mobile.

It's not that I don't believe that you would stay in this forum because of how cool it is and because it's the one created by Satoshi without leaving, I don't think anyone on the forum who stops for a moment to analyze the situation rationally believes it either.

It reminds me a lot of the situation on Martha's Vineyard, an island of billionaires and supposed sanctuary for immigrants, that when they were sent 50 immigrants from Florida, they didn't even keep them there for 24 hours.

[LoyceV]

and you would have the possibility to get paid 0.015 Bitcoins a week in another forum just for the avatar

Let's be realistic: that's not going to happen.

And even for much smaller amounts: if it would be possible for any random forum on the planet to get more users by having them advertise on their own, thousands of forums would have done it by now.

[Mr.suevie]

As it stands, we are at a fine balance on allowing signature campaigns and controlling spam on the forum.
If we're to swing ay way, I'll suggest we go towards more regulation for spam and this is a community exercise, meaning if you report posts that are off topic or redundant, it will help the mods to find and delete them.

I personally think the forum is better off with signatures, sure it is an incentive to post and some of those posts might be forced or repetitive, but a huge chunk of them are educative and helpful. Most of what I have learnt from the forum were from users who were wearing signatures. Removing signatures will also cut down on educative posts as well as spam replies.

That's true mate, the forum is very much field with reliable knowledge and most of it is fuel by the purpose of having signature campaigns especially when it comes to signature campaigns about CEX , DEX, and so many Bitcoin related software campaigns, I mean people tend to learn really educative stuffs from about these services and also their are some good boards and good people that still hold and contributive proactively here in the community and most of them are signature campaign promoted so signature campaigns is a plus to the community here.

[mindrust]

Would the forum be a better place?

In terms of post quality... maybe... and that's still a big maybe because people won't be so eager to post if they don't get paid. They will find some other activity which pays them. It could be freelancing, trading, getting an actual job... Since most people make posts to get paid, they won't make posts when they don't get paid.

We can see this behavior on the users who teleported their accounts to shitcointalk.com


Research:

When people stop posting, spam or not, 90% of the activity will be gone. And the remaining 10% won't be 100% good quality posts.

Let's say the forum currently has 100 activity now but only 40% of that 100 is good. That's 40 good quality posts.

When the activity drops to 10, and the quality percentage raises to 80%, That's 8 good quality posts.


Conclusion:

Sig camps must stay.

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mindrust, math PhD  

[_BlackStar]

Conclusion:

Sig camps must stay.

Yes - signature campaigns should must stay, but signature campaign operators may need to increase their awareness of enforcing these guidelines: Signature Campaign Guidelines

I know that LoyceV has said this before me on the first page - but campaign managers also have a responsibility to reduce spam from participants. The above guidance explain many of the responsibilities of a campaign manager or operator in running a signature campaign - so therefore may require improvements in implementation.

[Casdinyard]

Conclusion:

Sig camps must stay.

Yes - signature campaigns should must stay, but signature campaign operators may need to increase their awareness of enforcing these guidelines: Signature Campaign Guidelines

I know that LoyceV has said this before me on the first page - but campaign managers also have a responsibility to reduce spam from participants. The above guidance explain many of the responsibilities of a campaign manager or operator in running a signature campaign - so therefore may require improvements in implementation.

I think campaign managers, especially those who have been doing this shit for years now like Hhampuz and Yahoo's got all their ducks in a row when it comes to campaign management. I see campaign managers here being very diligent about keeping the quality of their members' posts in tippy-top shape, so I don't even get why the need to reiterate this even exists, and don't get me wrong, I know they need to hear this, but it's not like they don't do it or are not planning to do it anyway.

What we should really look into are the posts of newbies here, prime example being that one clown who literally created an account to post a single message in this thread. Most of the newbies that I see here either create subpar posts that don't contribute anything to the discussion nor to the overall health of the forum, and even if they do, we run the chances of them getting it from good old ChatGPT or from an article they plagiarized somewhere in the internet.

If we wanna bust the shitposters here, I think you'd find little luck looking for them in established campaigns like those handled by the aforementioned Hhampuz and Yahoo, look for the posts made by newbies here and you'd realize just how doo-doo their post qualities are lol and I'd promise you that the perception about signature campaigns being the main source of shitpost here in the forum's gonna be dispelled rather quickly.

[EarnOnVictor]

Initially, I heard it was a pure learning culture here and sharing what you know about Bitcoin. It was raw and selfless with no financial benefits for the users and I believe there would be ads on the forum by them which would only earn the forum money.

But later, I guess, the admin in his/their wisdom tried to make the users that keep the forum active also earn and get more encouraged, and this must have birthed the signature campaign which this forum is probably the first to do such a thing. However, the success of this caused more people to join the forum, and it can't be a lie if one says that it is mostly because of the money involved that made most people join.

Regardless, it added traffic, which is the main thing. But if the signature campaign is removed, well, I envisage almost every user would down tools. You can start judging by the removal of m!xers campaign from here. You see people getting angry and looking for any alternative they can find.

[Poker Player]

Let's be realistic: that's not going to happen.

Yes, but what is also realistic is that for people who gets paid more moderate amounts, to go to another forum.

The thing can start like this: someone gets paid $100 a week here for 25 posts and they get an opportunity to get paid $50 on another forum for writing another 25 posts. Suddenly, the campaign here ends or is put on hold. Traffic on that forum increases, more advertisers come and pay more for the campaigns, now paying $70 a week. After a while, and following the hypothesis of this thread, a total restriction on paid clickable signatures on this forum is announced.

What would happen?

It is clear to most of us. Traffic goes where the money goes.

Being probably the highest paid on this forum and having a lot of threads that you update once a week I think you are so invested in this forum that you have a blind spot on this subject (as a psychological term). With all due respect I say this to you.

[Majestic-milf]

My views are quite different from yours. Without signature campaigns, I guess the whole forum members might not be this eager and well interested to post, simply because members are not paid anymore from their hard works and sleepless nights just to have quality posts. And for obvious reason, we will only see less quality posts but more likely spams and low content posts.

However, this is just from my own point of view. I would be lying if I’ll say I’m posting for no reason at all, but honestly, being paid with all these posts greatly matters.

You are on point and it's really cool to call a spade a spade. No need to beat a out the bush. Signature campaigns add a certain flavor to the forum and gives one the push to even visit the forum. Granted, you could get a lot of knowledge about Bitcoin from here but when you're in a campaign, honestly it becomes more interesting to pay attention to what information is being passed and it would cause you to make your own research so you could contribute meaningfully.( Not like you don't contribute meaningfully when you aren't in a campaign tho). I dunno if it's just me tho, but there's this feeling I get when wearing an avatar. It's like I'm part of something big.
 For me, the sig campaigns are like incentive for individuals to come here and although there'd still be traffic if sig campaigns gets scrapped, it won't be compared to when there is.

[OGsmall]

If you want a forum without the freedom to advertise in your signature, you can literally choose from thousands of other forums. Go there, and see if it's better than Bitcointalk. If it is, you've found your new place to discuss online. If it isn't, you'll be back.

Exactly where then is the internet freedom?
Funny how after op makes this post he would rush into applying for a signature campaign before or immediately he is able to hit the full member rank.
People here say a whole lot of things they don't really mean just to please others.

It sounds funny to my hearing well most time just like what OP said people say a lot on this forum to have the full audience attention, I think this is what OP wants for him self to be notice, I bet you guys after OP have hit full membership with rush he will go find him self a better signature campaign to join in no time.
So back to topic freedom to advertise in signature campaign should be the most important thing on the forum for example I was once a altcoin forum members in the forum one do not have the rights and freedom of signature campaign post some time when I see people posting shit post I just smile because this forum have better advantages to learn and to earn
For me l happily live here on this forum to enjoy my self

[LoyceV]

Being probably the highest paid on this forum and having a lot of threads that you update once a week I think you are so invested in this forum that you have a blind spot on this subject (as a psychological term). With all due respect I say this to you.

I know I'm not the average forum user But I also know I wouldn't join a forum just to earn money. When I joined Bitcointalk I didn't even know signature campaigns exist.

"a total restriction on paid clickable signatures on this forum is announced."

In this scenario there's a bigger problem: Bitcointalk's mission is "to be as free as possible". If the forum loses more and more of it's freedom, it may be time to move on to a place that's closer to this mission again.

[Pmalek]

A ban of signature campaigns would drastically bring down the activity numbers. Bitcoin enthusiasts would still be around to discuss what's on their mind, but it would be in much smaller quantities than we have now. Get rid of the bounty section as well and Bitcointalk would look like an abandoned forum with perhaps 50-100 regular users. It would be great to battle spam, but bad for every other metric used to determine the value of a discussion forum.

[un_rank]

It is clear to most of us. Traffic goes where the money goes.

More commonly - Money goes where the traffic is.

If the money is what brings the traffic in it is more difficult to sustain and purely incentivized contents has its cons. This is not highlighting altcointalks or any other forum out there, Bitcointalk has been successful cause it built organic traffic which was then monetized at a sustainable rate leading to what we have today, flip the cycle and it attracts more spam than actual content.

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[CryptoHeadlineNews]

What would happen?

It is clear to most of us. Traffic goes where the money goes.

I just made a glance through the thread and read diverse conflicting statements, but the bitter truth of the fact is that this forum got the prestige, reputation and traffic it has today from its ability to give user the privilege to earn a few dollar while contributing to forum discussion, which grew as time went on, and today its sure of steady over 1million+ monthly website visits. Hence, in essence what I'm trying to say is that the signature campaign organized here gave users the ability to be able to make lots of researches, created contents and spent more time on the forum than physical, which if that is taken away, it will drastically affect the growth dynamics of bitcointalk as a forum.

So, in conclusion, I agree with what "Poker Player" said as "Traffic goes where the money goes", as traffic is indeed the online money

[BlackHatCoiner]

We almost all have conflict of interest in this one, but I'll try to express my opinion as much objectively as possible.

Would there be less spam without sig. campaigns? Yes. No doubt. The reason there are over 5000 posts everyday is because of money. But, in my opinion, it has incentivized dozens of reputable members to see this similar as to a StackExchange freelancing job. If a newbie makes a question in the technical boards, there will be discussion; substantial discussion.

The answer to this question is determined by which of the above you give priority. If you believe that a more active StackExchange inside the forum is not worth the spam, then you can check how the forum was prior 2014, and see if it was better. In my opinion, it wasn't, and the overall post quality was poor.

[mikeywith]

This forum will die if there is no signature campaign. Look at other forums related to crypto without signature campaign. They got finished within one year of launch.

The forum has thrived for years without signature campaigns, and it will continue to thrive; the use of the word "die" is an exaggeration.

That being said, forum activity will indeed be affected. Think of the forum as the final blend of several ingredients, including:

-Content
-Signature Campaigns
-Marketplace
-Bored individuals
-People eager to learn
-Individuals showcasing their knowledge
-Boosting self-esteem through ranking up or earning merit

These ingredients contribute to the overall forum experience. When you add, reduce, or remove any ingredient, the forum's overall dynamics are certain to change. The perception of whether the forum has changed for the better or worse depends on individual views.

Personally, I believe signature campaigns are a vital component of the forum's overall performance, especially for high-quality members. If someone excels in a particular area, they may prefer not to contribute for free. Instead of starting their own blog or YouTube channel, they might choose to share their expertise here. Without the incentive of earning something for their valuable contributions, the forum risks losing not only traffic but also valuable content.

[Saisher]

You've just pointed out the bad things about a few forum posters without looking at the good side by having to look at the contribution of some of the best posters wearing signatures, if you think that the posts of the members wearing signatures are spam you can hit the report button.
I would like to ask you if you are good at something, which would you prefer getting incentivized for doing it or getting nothing for doing it?