Allow to make thread self-moderated even after posting

[EarnOnVictor]

I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?

This would be a good development, at least it will cause more functionality and better user experience if could be done. But I strongly doubt it with the current software used by the forum. Even with advanced software, it might still be impossible since it will take high-tech expertise for that to be possible. It is easier to add functions and features if you start your topic, removing or adding to it after creating the topic seems so off to me, to say the least.

Even the best websites/forums I've visited and used do not have such capability. That is why you need to think it through before you open any thread as you might not be able to enforce any change again after clicking the submit button. Also, if this feature is added, don't you think that people can misuse it? Many are still complaining about the self-moderated topic issues, and if some users had posted because it is not self-moderated the threads but were later deleted because it is not in line with the view of the OP. That will be a betrayal of trust and wasted time and energy. This can be so disappointing and make more topics uncertain for some people to participate again which I can only conclude to be an abuse.

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[348Judah]

I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?

It will not be good for a thread that was not self-moderated before to be changed to self-moderated by the OP. People will later abuse it. You will see newbies and other people change a thread to self-moderated and delete the posts that they wishes at anytime which good members will not support on this forum.

The simple explanation already had been made here, you cannot do that and also people will take that for granted and begin to abuse it, the way you see some making posts and deleting their own self posts could not be as annoying as seing your own post being deleted by someone who is the OP to his thread and taking action on deleting what you have posted, so if you want to be self moderated to your thread, then make it right at the start.

[pakhitheboss]

It will not be good for a thread that was not self-moderated before to be changed to self-moderated by the OP. People will later abuse it. You will see newbies and other people change a thread to self-moderated and delete the posts that they wishes at anytime which good members will not support on this forum.

That is understandable but if the admin thinks it is a good idea then it should be implemented for only high ranks like Hero and onwards. If still the thread becomes a spammers paradise then the mods can delete the thread. I liked the idea as it has happened with one of our members on our the local board and he had to lock that thread for some time and start a new one.

The simple explanation already had been made here, you cannot do that and also people will take that for granted and begin to abuse it, the way you see some making posts and deleting their own self posts could not be as annoying as seing your own post being deleted by someone who is the OP to his thread and taking action on deleting what you have posted, so if you want to be self moderated to your thread, then make it right at the start.

Please read what I have written above and I do think there is always a way out for such abuse. Now, it all depends on the admin to if he is interested in this idea which as always won't be given any preference.

[Awaklara]

That is understandable but if the admin thinks it is a good idea then it should be implemented for only high ranks like Hero and onwards. If still the thread becomes a spammers paradise then the mods can delete the thread. I liked the idea as it has happened with one of our members on our the local board and he had to lock that thread for some time and start a new one.

because the situation doesn't allow the OP to change the thread to self-moderated after it wasn't previously moderated. What you can do is bother the moderator if there is a post that isn't supposed to be.
another option is to lock the thread and create a new moderated thread. that's what happened in the Known Alts of any-one thread, that @Timelord2067 created on the reputation board.
Previously threads were not moderated and irregularities were occurring in some cases in older unmoderated threads. and finally, @Timelord2067 created a similar new thread that is self-moderated with some new conditions. maybe such things also need to be discussed with the board moderators to get a better solution.

[SamReomo]

That is understandable but if the admin thinks it is a good idea then it should be implemented for only high ranks like Hero and onwards. If still the thread becomes a spammers paradise then the mods can delete the thread. I liked the idea as it has happened with one of our members on our the local board and he had to lock that thread for some time and start a new one.

No, it's still not a good idea because the members with high ranks will take advantage of the privileges and they can change a thread to self-moderated to delete all of those posts that they didn't like. I think admins should not do any such implementation because it would cause very bad impacts on the forum and some users posts.

If someone hasn't created their thread self-moderated that means they don't have the power to delete the posts that they don't like but if they can change the same thread in self-moderated then they can delete all those posts in that thread which they don't like. That way each day some user's 10's of posts get deleted for difference of opinion or rivalry.

[hilariousandco]

It wouldn't be fair. Just lock the thread and open another if you wish to have it self-modded.

[JollyGood]

I remember having created threads several times only to realise they were not self-moderated, it happens  

I have to agree here. In my opinion, allowing the ability to retrospectively self-moderate threads is not a good idea. If a member overlooked making their thread self-moderated when it was created then they would have to either lock it in order to create an identical thread (which they should remember to make self-moderated otherwise they will repeat the initial mistake).

Not a good idea. Imagine I create a topic today and then after 4 months I turn it into a self-moderated topic and delete all the posts of those who replied there.  
Scammers would love that so much. Trolls a like.

And then everyone who cares so much about their total post count would be in an uproar, which would then light Meta on fire for at least a month with complaints.  

Don't get me wrong, there have been times when I've created a thread and then after reading some of the standard bitcointalk idiocy wished I could have switched it to a self-moderated one, but the idea of implementing the ability for members to do that would just be bad all around.  Theymos no doubt realizes this and isn't likely to even consider it--kind of like many of the good suggestions that get brought up now and again. (just busting your iron balls, boss man)

[Crypto Library]

I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?

Your Idea wasn't bad, but if we consider the positive and negative effects of this self-moderate option, we will find more negative effects than positive effects. Basically self-moderate topics seem like autocratic topics to me and especially this option can be used well by scammers. Any negative comments towards them can be deleted quickly.
The issue will be such that without self-moderation, not a single topic will be found. Apart from that, if many people have personal conflicts, those persons can abuse it. So my suggestion is that it will be better without turning on this option. If someone needs to self-moderate a topic, lock the current topic and open a new topic and link the old topic there.

[shahzadafzal]

I didn't make this thread self-moderated when I posted and now I want to as I feel there are few comments that shouldn't be there. Should op be allowed to make thread self-moderated after posting? I.e, able to edit thread later on to make it self-moderated, what do you think?

 

It would be unfair to those members who have already replied in your thread.

This is why you cannot make a topic self-moderated after posting.

However, you do have the option to lock the thread and create a new self-moderated topic, providing a link to it in your original post.

[Findingnemo]

It wouldn't be fair. Just lock the thread and open another if you wish to have it self-modded.

This is what I pictured as solution after reading the replies why it should not be. I had seen few members did that when they felt that way and better if you realise that you forgot to tick the self moderated check box while creating topic so the topic can be closed before getting any replies and can be moved it to archival or request for deletion and create the same topic with self moderated option.

[Pmalek]

Self moderated threads have a warning there telling other users to avoid posting if they don't want to be moderated by the OP, changing it after a user already posted means they get to be subject to something they may have not wanted.

You are always subjected to possible moderation every time you post on this forum. If the staff feels like your post breaks any forum rules or it gets reported, there is a possibility you will get moderated both in a self-moderated and standard thread. With OP's suggestion, you are just adding one more person to the mix that has the ability to moderate you.

OP's suggestion has both positives and negatives.
There are cases when a user might have wished that they created a self-moderated thread if the discussion starts moving in an undesirable direction. If that happens, a button press to allow self-moderation would be a welcome change.

But it also opens the door to abuse as others rightly said. Just recently, we had a case of a well-known legendary member deleting and editing all their OPs. No need to mention any names, most people know who I am talking about. Imagine if they had the ability to go on a self-moderated post deletion spree as well which affected hundreds of users? It would just look bad.

But perhaps to limit such incidents, turning a normal thread into a self-moderated one could be a feature only available to certain ranks. Similarly to having the ability to wear an avatar, theymos could perhaps enable it for Full Members and above.   

[sujonali1819]

Sometimes I also feel if it is possible it would be good. But as we know scammers of course abuse it too much. And at some point, it will be more worst thing ever in the forum .

It's better to think twice about making the topic self-moderated while creating a new topic. I always forget to make it self-moderated at the first chance and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.


Btw what will if we have the additional options open and can see them without clicking there? Or Only the Self Moderated option can be visible somewhere without clicking any button?

[Pmalek]

I always forget to make it self-moderated at the first chance and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.

Imagine if there was a setting in our profiles that we could turn on to make new threads self-moderated by default? That way, you wouldn't have to bother remembering to tick the self-moderated topic option for each new discussion you create. You only do it once in your profile settings. Again, this shouldn't be available to all ranks or not at all. I am just rambling. 

[sujonali1819]

I always forget to make it self-moderated at the first chance and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.

Imagine if there was a setting in our profiles that we could turn on to make new threads self-moderated by default? That way, you wouldn't have to bother remembering to tick the self-moderated topic option for each new discussion you create. You only do it once in your profile settings. Again, this shouldn't be available to all ranks or not at all. I am just rambling. 

You are right. Maybe this could be the most reasonable solution for this case. And yes of course as you said, it should not be for all ranks. otherwise, all we have to face a ridiculous situation when we can see a bunch of posts are getting deleted

[Upgrade00]

You are always subjected to possible moderation every time you post on this forum. If the staff feels like your post breaks any forum rules or it gets reported, there is a possibility you will get moderated both in a self-moderated and standard thread. With OP's suggestion, you are just adding one more person to the mix that has the ability to moderate you.

I am always aware of the forum moderation and the rules it follows. Being on the forum and posting means I have to keep to the forum rules.

With self moderated threads, the OP has local rules which doesn't necessarily have to be in line with the forum rules. They can delete my posts out of spite or the to control the direction of the conversation.
If I post in a self moderated thread, I am saying, "hey it is cool for me and I'm willing to play to the local rules." Making a post with no warning of it being self moded and that getting changed later on has too many cons.

[KingsDen]

It wouldn't be fair. Just lock the thread and open another if you wish to have it self-modded.

This is what I pictured as solution after reading the replies why it should not be. I had seen few members did that when they felt that way and better if you realise that you forgot to tick the self moderated check box while creating topic so the topic can be closed before getting any replies and can be moved it to archival or request for deletion and create the same topic with self moderated option.

This is very simple I think. It is easy to forget ticking the self moderation button before publishing your post. But if you intend making the thread self moderated and eventually forgot, immediately after publishing the thread you must surely remember that you wanted to make the thread self moderated even before the first reply comes in. It has happened to me and I remembered almost immediately and simply had to lock the thread. Make a duplicate of that same thread and this time make it self moderated and possibly archive the former.
According to Jollygood, if you forget the second time, you have to lock the second topic and repeat the process untill your brain stops failing you to make the post self moderated.
Before now, I had loved self moderated threads because it is the simplest means to prevent or mitigate spam. But after the incident of Ratimov in the forum, where he deleted his own posts even if they were important to the forum and he also had to delete the replies of others, including mine. That was when I understood the real disadvantage of self moderated posts in the forum. I have fallen out of love with self moderation because its abuse can be extreme.

[JollyGood]

I would not cite it as rambling, it is a very good suggestion. If there is an option that allows a universal setting it might be productive however on the flip side what would happen if all threads were created with self-moderation by default and the box had to be unchecked in order to create the thread without moderation?

I always forget to make it self-moderated at the first chance and remember after creating the topic. Then I just delete it and make a new one.

Imagine if there was a setting in our profiles that we could turn on to make new threads self-moderated by default? That way, you wouldn't have to bother remembering to tick the self-moderated topic option for each new discussion you create. You only do it once in your profile settings. Again, this shouldn't be available to all ranks or not at all. I am just rambling. 

[Pmalek]

If there is an option that allows a universal setting it might be productive however on the flip side what would happen if all threads were created with self-moderation by default and the box had to be unchecked in order to create the thread without moderation?

Yeah, in case all threads are self-moderated by default, there should also be an option in your profile settings to create standard and non self-moderated threads. If users abuse their rights and delete the posts of others without a valid reason, admins should have an option to remove the self-moderation ability of those members or punish them with temporary bans or in some other way. But considering that it creates additional workload, I doubt anything will change.

[Coyster]

Some users intentionally do not reply in self moderated topics when they are created by specific users (E.G. trolls), because they will end up deleting your posts they feel butthurt by. Thus it will be unfair if this feature was added, as users could reply to certain threads that isn't moderated by the op, and the op later goes on to change it to a self-moderated one and start deleting posts.

In summary, i'd like to know from the beginning if i am replying in a self moderated topic or not.

[SmartGold01]

If you think what people are commenting is not good enough then you can report those post to the mod to have them deleted i think is another cool way to filter your thread than allowing the edit option to make it a safe moderated thread usually when you are creating you have to chose between these option before final publication and whatever that makes you post them you won't have that right or capacity to change any of these option you are requesting from admin.