Re: Farewell

[Kruw]

Edit: This thread was created from staff splitting the posts from the original "Farewell" thread posted by o_e_l_e_o.
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Here is the proof of o_e_l_e_o's attacks against non custodial open source projects over the past 2 years (BTCPay Server, Trezor, and Wasabi).  While he was spreading these false accusations against trustless privacy tools, he was simultaneously luring users into depositing their coins into custodial "mixing sites" that robbed depositors of their coins and turned over user data to the government:

TIMELINE

March 14 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits coordinator policy doesn’t affect your inputs, admits to BlackHatCoiner that switching coordinators solves the censorship problem, and admits to BlackHatCoiner that his motivation is simply to fight against Wasabi anyways:

Even if this change from Wasabi won't affect any of your inputs, they are no longer an entity which I can trust to fight for my privacy.

Would it be possible for some to start running coordinators?

Absolutely. The coordinator code is open source, so anyone can download it and spin up their own instance. That would solve the immediate problem if everyone switched to a different coordinator, but it doesn't stop these other coordinators being pressured in to implementing the same restrictions and it doesn't change the fact that Wasabi did this in the first place instead of fighting against it.

March 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits that the data feed is a 1 way street from a blockchain analysis company to the coordinator, and that no data is provided to blockchain analysis:

In fact, they need to cooperate with blockchain analysis to obtain information about "taint" UTXOs.

Well, they only need to cooperate in this sense to have the blockchain analysis entity feed them data about which UTXO's to block. But as I said, if they cooperate like this then it won't be long before that cooperation becomes a two way street, with them feeding data back to the blockchain analysis entity.

March 18 2022 - o_e_l_e_o spreads fake news article claiming that Wasabi's "anonymity has been cracked" because someone reused their Bitcoin address:

Still, it seems that Wasabi has never been as safe as we all think:

Using a capability that is being disclosed here for the first time, Chainalysis de-mixed the Wasabi transactions and tracked their output to four exchanges.

A little bit of expansion on this that I came across today: US government spooks have cracked ‘anonymous’ Bitcoin wallet Wasabi

Seems like if you have any coins in a Wasabi wallet right now then not only do you need to withdraw them before Wasabi decide to start blacklisting them, you'll also need to re-mix them (and do so thoroughly) using a different mixing method.

April 24 2022 - o_e_l_e_o highly recommends the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned over their data to the government and then lies about spying on Wasabi users being possible:

ChipMixer easily has the best and longest standing reputation among all bitcoin mixers.

CoinJoin service: Wasabi / Samourai / JoinMarket

Wasabi now spy on their users and censor transactions, so I would no longer recommend them.

April 25 2022 - To further fool this user to lose their funds and data, o_e_l_e_o blatantly lied about the verifiable open source software by falsely claiming that every user and every UTXO stored on a Wasabi wallet will be monitored and surveilled, and that this survelliance applies specifically to Wasabi:

About 6 weeks ago, Wasabi announced on twitter that zkSNACKs, the entity which runs the coordinator for the all the coinjoin transaction which take place through Wasabi wallet, would start censoring some inputs and refusing to allow them to partake in coinjoins. Wasabi then explained on Telegram that they would be hiring a blockchain analysis company, which would monitor and surveil every user of Wasabi and ever UTXO stored on a Wasabi wallet and decide which ones were and were not allowed to partake in coinjoins. They have since revealed that they did this voluntarily to protect their own operations and therefore their own profits, and not because they were forced to because of any government, law, or regulation.

Wasabi is now pro-censorship and anti-privacy. They should be avoided, unless you like seeing your coinjoin fees go straight to a blockchain analysis company which is being paid to spy on you and you specifically.

April 26 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies about the Wasabi coordinator sharing information:

Keep in mind that in addition to what has been discussed above, the Wasabi coordinator is now working with and sharing information with blockchain analysis companies, who will be drawing on a variety of non-public sources of information.

April 27 2022 - BlackHatCoiner confirms the coordinator knows nothing:

Indeed, the coordinator knows nothing about who owns what. Although, it isn't so simple to comprehend at first sight, the two parties can hide their outputs (hence why "blinded outputs") using blind signature.

May 2 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely accuses coordinators of being able to collect data:

Blockchain analysis is ultimately a process of deduction and induction.

A process which becomes much easier when the centralized coordinator is actively working with blockchain analysis companies and handing over all the data they collect.

May 12 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely claims that users are required to trust open source software:

No idea, and given how shady Wasabi have been about this whole thing, don't expect them to be honest and tell us. Any "privacy" firm coordinating with blockchain analysis firms is not to be trusted though, and especially not one which is actively using your coinjoin fees to pay blockchain analysis firms.

May 27 2022 – o_e_l_e_o falsely claims using Wasabi provides the same privacy as using a centralized exchange:

It makes no sense to continue using Wasabi, unless you do not care about your privacy at all. Your privacy with Wasabi is now akin to the privacy you get with a centralized exchange - complete surveillance.

June 12 2022 - NotATether emphasizes that the Wasabi Wallet software is “clean and uncompromised” in a thread posted about running the open source coordinator software:

The situation map is currently thus:

- The Wasabi wallet itself is still clean and uncompromised.
- But the default CoinJoin server used by Wasabi wallet (zksnacks) is now blacklisting "tainted" coins, an action which is intolerable to the community.
- Ignore the signature campaign for now, it is irrelevant to remedying the situation.


This thread exists to gather open source software on Github/Gitlab/etc. which allows the running of a Wasabi-compatible CJ mixing server. Software that cannot be plugged in to Wasabi should not be listed here. Since this battle is being fought against their main CJ server, and not analysis companies/exchanges/governments, we still have a chance for winning this, even if we are 3 months behind schedule (the announcment for the blacklisting was made last march).

Discussion on how to make such CJ software work for Wasabi (as well as the other way around) is also welcomed. Special attention should be given to getting these to run on low-powered Linux servers (think 8GB of memory or less).

June 12 2022 - o_e_l_e_o emphasizes not to use open privacy software no matter who coordinates the transactions because his feelings are hurt:

I also wouldn't recommend using Wasabi at all, even with a non censoring coordinator. The Wasabi devs have revealed very clearly where their priorities lie: Those priorities are not with their users or protecting privacy, but solely with making profits. Obviously Wasabi is open source, but I'm still not going to use a wallet which is run by a team who are willing to voluntarily sell out their users for profits.

June 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely accuses Wasabi of sacrificing user privacy:

It's not like Wasabi where they are sacrificing the privacy of the average user to cater to the bigger players.

June 18 2022 - o_e_l_e_o fights against BlackHatCoiner for suggesting that someone fork the open source coordinator on the grounds that centralized services are vulnerable to censorship:

Yes, but the source code is released under the MIT license, wherein you're allowed to modify and distribute, which means it allows you to develop it. However, being hosted by zkSNACKs means you're going to have a hard time forking it and re-releasing it successfully, as far as I understand.

I still don't see the point, though. Why start with a flawed concept (centralized coordinators which have the power to censor you) and then fork and try to modify around it, when there already exist coinjoin implementations with no centralized coordinator in the first place. Anyone with the time and ability to do this would be far better spending their time on making JoinMarket more newbie friendly.

August 9 2022 – o_e_l_e_o falsely claims Wasabi is flawed for “address reuse”:

You sure? Chainanalysis can de-mix Wasabi coinjoins, and Wasabi is pretty much infamous for it's flawed address reuse and combining of coinjoined and uncoinjoined outputs.

August 13 2022 – o_e_l_e_o discourages tens of thousands of people from using open source Bitcoin privacy tools by lying and saying Wasabi compromises privacy:

Such an approach would require encouraging tens of thousands of people to download and use Wasabi and compromise their own privacy in doing so. Not a great approach.

August 23 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies and says the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned over their data to the government has as good or better privacy than Wasabi

If projects such as Samourai, JoinMarket, ChipMixer, Bisq, LocalCryptos, Monero, and anything else which gives users as good or better privacy than Wasabi can continue unencumbered, then Wasabi can too. They simply choose not to.

November 5 2022 – Wasabi enables coinjoining, generates a new address for each payment, and prevents spying using block filters. Yet o_e_l_e_o is lying to encourage people to offboard software that preserves privacy and leak their addresses to the Samourai coinjoin coordinator instead:

One of reason Wasabi Wallet 1.0 become popular is due to user-friendliness while preserving few advance feature (address/UTXO selection).

There are plenty of other user friendly non full node wallets with such features. Granted, most don't provide coinjoins, but when you are also being spied on, censored, and having your addresses reused, then some might say a wallet without any of those features is better than Wasabi.

It could be replacement of JoinMarket-Qt which need full node since Wasabi Wallet 1.0 is one of very few SPV desktop wallet with strong privacy feature (Tor by default and BIP 157 implementation).

If you don't want to run a full node then I would suggest Sparrow wallet as the next best option to access coinjoins.

Novermber 6 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies about being able to spy on Wasabi users and tells everyone to send their coins to the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned their data over to the government:

And if you depend on third parties, then you are subjected to their rules, spying, and censorship, as we have seen in the case of Wasabi.

By using Sparrow you are still depending on third parties, but at least those third parties aren't in cahoots with blockchain analysis companies. But if that is still too complex for the average user to use without compromising their privacy in some manner, then you can just stick to ChipMixer.

February 28 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about Wasabi feeding details to a blockchain analysis firm to avoid the truth that you can change coordinators:

People who are using Wasabi aren't generally going to bother changing coordinator, because anyone who actually cares about privacy and not having their details fed directly to a blockchain analysis firm isn't using Wasabi in the first place.

March 5 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about Wasabi creating toxic change:

And that's without even touching on Wasabi's mixing of toxic change with coinjoined outputs, defeating the entire purpose in the first place.

March 8 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about BTCPay Server, claiming that coordinators can spy on them and claiming that they are “risking address reuse”

It is a mistake for BTCPay to implement this. Even if someone manages to get enough volume on a coordinator which doesn't spy on users and directly fund blockchain analysis, then they are still risking address reuse and therefore complete failure of what they are trying to achieve by coinjoining in the first place.

April 15 2023 – o_e_l_e_o falsely claims that Trezor allows blockchain analysis to monitor outputs in their hardware wallet

Cool, so I can get blockchain analysis entities to specifically monitor the outputs in my hardware wallet now. Just what I've always wanted!

April 28 2023 – o_e_l_e_o tries to sabotage a user’s privacy by convincing them not to use the coinjoin feature in Trezor, which protects your xpub and IP address from being shared, and protects your on chain data from being tracked:

I regret ever suggesting that anyone should buy a Trezor, and I will never do so again. They have shown themselves to be anti-privacy and anti-fungibility, and are therefore not just selling out their users but are actively working against bitcoin itself, in order to line their own pockets.

As he says, however, if you already have a Trezor device (and no other hardware wallet you can swap to or can afford), you are probably safe to keep using it provided you don't go anywhere near the coinjoin feature. I also don't have a single shred of trust left for Trezor, though, so I would make sure you are using it through something like Electrum or Sparrow pointed at your own node and absolutely not relying on Trezor's servers. And when it comes to the time to upgrade or replace your hardware wallet, obviously do not buy another Trezor.

June 21 2023 – o_e_l_e_o tells people to “steer well clear of ever using Wasabi” by lying about address reuse:

Add in the fact that they suffer from endemic address reuse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419000.msg61220171#msg61220171, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62085316#msg62085316), and I would steer well clear of ever using Wasabi.

August 21 2023: BlackHatCoiner confirms that what a coordinator does with their money isn’t important for the coinjoin user:

I would also say "Service uses the fee you pay to hire a blockchain analysis company to spy on your inputs" is a pretty big con of Wasabi which you've missed.

What the default coordinator does with the money it makes isn't important for the coinjoin user, but for the integrity of their business.

Sure, but it is an objective fact that Wasabi use the fees you pay them to pay blockchain analysis companies for information about your UTXOs. And I would argue that is incredibly important for the coinjoin user.

What's important here is to break down what's user's best courses to accomplish mixing. Even if funding blockchain surveillance is completely contradictory to being proclaimed a pro-privacy service, that doesn't change their coinjoin process. Just as if Samurai announced that they're funding the Ukrainian war, it wouldn't change the effectiveness of the coinjoin. It'd ruin their reputation, and people would stop using it; not because of effectiveness, but ethical concerns.

December 9 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about BTCPay Server’s coinjoin implementation being “inferior” because of “address reuse” and lies about the existence of “deterministic links”:

The large group of people outside of Bitcointalk who are interested in coinjoins are predominantly using Samourai/Sparrow/Whirlpool. As I've said 100 times already, even putting the whole mass surveillance thing to one side why would people abandon a better coinjoin implementation in order to bootstrap an inferior one which suffers from address reuse and deterministic links?

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This is a pathetic post. I would delete it if I were you. This is just proving the kind of person you are. Someone is ill and you say you are happy. Good luck in your life...

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

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[BlackHatCoiner]

Wasabi dev praising for someone's death. Here is the moral gatekeeper I should trust on blacklisting my coins.

What a scum.

[Hhampuz]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

If you are displaying this poor judgement and stupidity in public I'll never trust a single line of code you've had your hands on. Leo made this thread himself, you dickhead.

[Kruw]

If you are displaying this poor judgement and stupidity in public I'll never trust a single line of code you've had your hands on.

I don't code.

Leo made this thread himself, you dickhead.

I know who the OP is.

[apogio]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

Why would I be happy that anyone died? I must be stupid to say that I am happy because someone died. And I wouldn't be happy if CSW died. I would definitely didn't go to a thread were everyone is grieving to cause such a disturbance.

And in case you don't realise it, you managed to create chaos in this very grieving moment. At least show some respect, but I don't require it, I seriously think you are a bad person.

Oh and finally, Leo is alive! And we are all here to support him. Because no matter who you are, he would never react like you did in a similar occasion.

From now on, you are on my ignore list, don't bother answering, I will never see it.

[Kruw]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

Why would I be happy that anyone died? I must be stupid to say that I am happy because someone died. And I wouldn't be happy if CSW died. I would definitely didn't go to a thread were everyone is grieving to cause such a disturbance.

And in case you don't realise it, you managed to create chaos in this very grieving moment. At least show some respect, but I don't require it, I seriously think you are a bad person.

Oh and finally, Leo is alive! And we are all here to support him. Because no matter who you are, he would never react like you did in a similar occasion.

From now on, you are on my ignore list, don't bother answering, I will never see it.

You didn't respond to my last post:

This is a pathetic post. I would delete it if I were you. This is just proving the kind of person you are. Someone is ill and you say you are happy. Good luck in your life...

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

[Mia Chloe]

Good riddance o_e_l_e_o.  No one else I've interacted with on this forum has done more damage to the future of Bitcoin and future of freedom than you.  Even after your involvement with the Chipmixer scam, you knowlingy spread continuous lies about privacy weaknesses in Bitcoin that do not exist. Your scheme of tricking people into giving up their data and stealing their coins will finally come to an end.

I see no sense in this.
Death is never a good thing even if Leo had offended you indirectly in the past you should at least bid him a farewell based on his condition. Not everyone is strong enough to fight cancer for over a decade.

Besides that you have no proof to what you are saying. And for the record Leo was so much help to me during my newbie journey especially when it came to protecting my coins.

Behaving like this on the forum shows you would do worse in reality.

[Ever-young]

@Kruw Can you take your arguments and misunderstandings somewhere else and allow this thread to serve its purposes? No matter the kind of hatred or arguments you might have with the Op, it's not right to cause such distractions in his farewell thread, which was created for his fans and loved ones, and the best you could have done is to avoid this thread and take your drama somewhere else.
 
We are all humans. Can you please show some level of sympathy here? And if not, then just leave the thread fvck alone, create your own thread, and take the argument there.

[Kruw]

I see no sense in this.
Death is never a good thing even if Leo had offended you indirectly in the past you should at least bid him a farewell based on his condition. Not everyone is strong enough to fight cancer for over a decade.

Actually, I would say the opposite:  Since o_e_l_e_o doesn't have much time left to make things right, he should use this chance to correct the record and apologize for knowingly spreading lies about weaknesses in Bitcoin's privacy.  Bitcointalk posts are a legacy you leave behind even after you die, so it's worth it to extend eternity your honesty.

Besides that you have no proof to what you are saying.

I do have proof, o_e_l_e_o continuously spreads the lie that privacy of coinjoins are "deeply flawed" due to people reusing addresses and just doesn't care that he has been proven wrong, he just puts them on his ignore list or blames Gavin Andreson instead of admitting he was wrong:

In terms of whatever Peter Todd thinks of Wasabi, I tend not to care what one person's opinion is, regardless of who that person is. Gavin Andresen was a reputable contributor to bitcoin, and people blindly listening to his opinion has caused untold damage in this space. The opinion of one person is irrelevant, especially when that opinion can be bought. I care about the facts. And the facts of the matter are that Wasabi directly funds the enemies of privacy, and that Wasabi coinjoins are deeply flawed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476210.msg63334000#msg63334000.

o_e_l_e_o says he cares about the facts, let's see if he's too proud to finally admit the fact that using the same deterministic seed on two devices generates the same addresses.

@Kruw Can you take your arguments and misunderstandings somewhere else and allow this thread to serve its purposes? No matter the kind of hatred or arguments you might have with the Op, it's not right to cause such distractions in his farewell thread, which was created for his fans and loved ones, and the best you could have done is to avoid this thread and take your drama somewhere else.
 
We are all humans. Can you please show some level of sympathy here? And if not, then just leave the thread fvck alone, create your own thread, and take the argument there.

It's the "reputation" forum.  It's not just for "fans and loved ones".

[Alpha Marine]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

Wow!
How do you celebrate the death of another person? Simply because the person has other views from you? Not even like they were extremist views. That's too low.
So you expect people to celebrate Craig Wright's death? C'mon man. What kind of a human are you?

Feeling a certain type of joy about this news is one thing, coming under the thread to celebrate it is another thing entirely. That sums up the kind of person you are.

[Kruw]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

Wow!
How do you celebrate the death of another person? Simply because the person has other views from you? Not even like they were extremist views. That's too low.

You seem to be mistaken: o_e_l_e_o doesn't have "other views from me", o_e_l_e_o wakes up in the morning and spends his day trying to trick Bitcoin users out of their data and coins.  His method for doing so is by attacking innocent non custodial privacy projects by going to thread after thread on this forum and accusing the non custodial projects of being "deeply flawed".  By spreading lies about nonexistent flaws in non custodial projects, he deceives viewers into depositing their coins into the custodian he's promoting instead.  Then, the custodian takes all the money and turns over the data to the government.

So how do you respond to being victim of false accusations from o_e_l_e_o?  By challenging the accusations directly, and calling him out to prove them.  o_e_l_e_o was directly confronted about the lies he was spreading about non custodial privacy projects and challenged to prove he could trace their Bitcoins, and of course he was proven to be bluffing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62085049#msg62085049

Even after Peter Todd directly debunked o_e_l_e_o's claims of "address reuse" being a flaw in coinjoins, he won't won't even acknowledge Peter Todd proving him wrong.  He blames Gavin Andresen instead and continues his completely fabricated accusations against the non custodial project:

In terms of whatever Peter Todd thinks of Wasabi, I tend not to care what one person's opinion is, regardless of who that person is. Gavin Andresen was a reputable contributor to bitcoin, and people blindly listening to his opinion has caused untold damage in this space. The opinion of one person is irrelevant, especially when that opinion can be bought. I care about the facts. And the facts of the matter are that Wasabi directly funds the enemies of privacy, and that Wasabi coinjoins are deeply flawed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476210.msg63334000#msg63334000.

o_e_l_e_o has made victims out of the innocent Bitcoiners who trusted him with their funds and data, and o_e_l_e_o attacked the innocent heros who built open source non custodial projects that provide Bitcoiners complete privacy.

Feeling a certain type of joy about this news is one thing, coming under the thread to celebrate it is another thing entirely. That sums up the kind of person you are.

I'm not "celebrating", I'm making sure that those coming here to kiss o_e_l_e_o's ass remember the amount of vicious damage he's inflicted on Bitcoin after he's gone.  Dying does not grant you innocence for the evil you did while you were alive, EVERYONE is a mortal.

[Vod]

Dying does not grant you innocence for the evil you did while you were alive

Sure it does.  I don't think he will feel guilty after he has passed on.

[Kruw]

Sure it does.  I don't think he will feel guilty after he has passed on.

Whether your are innocent or guilty doesn't depend on how you "feel", that's determined by facts.  And the fact is, using a deterministic seed on two devices generates the same addresses on each device:  

In terms of whatever Peter Todd thinks of Wasabi, I tend not to care what one person's opinion is, regardless of who that person is. Gavin Andresen was a reputable contributor to bitcoin, and people blindly listening to his opinion has caused untold damage in this space. The opinion of one person is irrelevant, especially when that opinion can be bought. I care about the facts. And the facts of the matter are that Wasabi directly funds the enemies of privacy, and that Wasabi coinjoins are deeply flawed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476210.msg63334000#msg63334000.

o_e_l_e_o says he cares about the facts, let's see if he's too proud to finally admit the fact that using the same deterministic seed on two devices generates the same addresses.

[mrust_mobile]

Wasabi dev praising for someone's death. Here is the moral gatekeeper I trust on blacklisting my coins.

What a scum.

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

Craig is a mentally sick son of a bitch. Nobody would care.

[decodx]

What a miserable person.  Unbelievably!  If this is how the folks behind Wasabi Wallet act, I don't think I'd feel real confident using their product.  Whether this guy actually works for em or is just some shill it don't really matter - he basically showed that they got some issues with how they treat people.  I ain't tryin' to be mean, but his behavior here was definitely outta line and  the guys gotta get it together.

[ineedhelpplease]

Have some respect, that person may literally lose his life and here you are whining about what he said in the past. No one cares about your little bitcoin project. You are retarded

[dkbit98]

100% Pathetic, and recipe how to ruin reputation in forum.
This to me looks like a mad man dancing on someone else's grave... certainly not the normal behavior from a healthy human being.
I didn't agree with some of the things said by o_e_l_e_o, and I had arguments with other members, but I would not wish anything bad to happen to any of them, even to my worst enemies.

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul...

[SmartGold01]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

You don't have to wish someone else died because dead doesn't best suit for anyone out there but we must know that it's something inevitable and any one earth I mean everyone must surely face it, so don't wish else did or would you afford to die for anyone out there? Of curse No because I know life is sweet and Good every one out there would love to enjoy more good things about life instead of to leave the world just like that.

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

If you think that leo attacks you in your previous comments that doesn't mean that he is a mortal or not but you should know that he is passing good information because I know that leo is a very learned user and not just that, he is also reputable forum user who they so much respected over here.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

You have to know how to be a gentleman in situations like this, in my language we say that you have to be a gentleman in victory and in defeat and Kruw has not been one.

[JeromeTash]

Sorry for using some foul language, Mr. Kruw, but you're such a dick. A miserable one!
Do you think you are a god or something like that?