Re: Farewell

[Kruw]

Edit: This thread was created from staff splitting the posts from the original "Farewell" thread posted by o_e_l_e_o.
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Here is the proof of o_e_l_e_o's attacks against non custodial open source projects over the past 2 years (BTCPay Server, Trezor, and Wasabi).  While he was spreading these false accusations against trustless privacy tools, he was simultaneously luring users into depositing their coins into custodial "mixing sites" that robbed depositors of their coins and turned over user data to the government:

TIMELINE

March 14 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits coordinator policy doesn’t affect your inputs, admits to BlackHatCoiner that switching coordinators solves the censorship problem, and admits to BlackHatCoiner that his motivation is simply to fight against Wasabi anyways:

Even if this change from Wasabi won't affect any of your inputs, they are no longer an entity which I can trust to fight for my privacy.

Would it be possible for some to start running coordinators?

Absolutely. The coordinator code is open source, so anyone can download it and spin up their own instance. That would solve the immediate problem if everyone switched to a different coordinator, but it doesn't stop these other coordinators being pressured in to implementing the same restrictions and it doesn't change the fact that Wasabi did this in the first place instead of fighting against it.

March 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits that the data feed is a 1 way street from a blockchain analysis company to the coordinator, and that no data is provided to blockchain analysis:

In fact, they need to cooperate with blockchain analysis to obtain information about "taint" UTXOs.

Well, they only need to cooperate in this sense to have the blockchain analysis entity feed them data about which UTXO's to block. But as I said, if they cooperate like this then it won't be long before that cooperation becomes a two way street, with them feeding data back to the blockchain analysis entity.

March 18 2022 - o_e_l_e_o spreads fake news article claiming that Wasabi's "anonymity has been cracked" because someone reused their Bitcoin address:

Still, it seems that Wasabi has never been as safe as we all think:

Using a capability that is being disclosed here for the first time, Chainalysis de-mixed the Wasabi transactions and tracked their output to four exchanges.

A little bit of expansion on this that I came across today: US government spooks have cracked ‘anonymous’ Bitcoin wallet Wasabi

Seems like if you have any coins in a Wasabi wallet right now then not only do you need to withdraw them before Wasabi decide to start blacklisting them, you'll also need to re-mix them (and do so thoroughly) using a different mixing method.

April 24 2022 - o_e_l_e_o highly recommends the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned over their data to the government and then lies about spying on Wasabi users being possible:

ChipMixer easily has the best and longest standing reputation among all bitcoin mixers.

CoinJoin service: Wasabi / Samourai / JoinMarket

Wasabi now spy on their users and censor transactions, so I would no longer recommend them.

April 25 2022 - To further fool this user to lose their funds and data, o_e_l_e_o blatantly lied about the verifiable open source software by falsely claiming that every user and every UTXO stored on a Wasabi wallet will be monitored and surveilled, and that this survelliance applies specifically to Wasabi:

About 6 weeks ago, Wasabi announced on twitter that zkSNACKs, the entity which runs the coordinator for the all the coinjoin transaction which take place through Wasabi wallet, would start censoring some inputs and refusing to allow them to partake in coinjoins. Wasabi then explained on Telegram that they would be hiring a blockchain analysis company, which would monitor and surveil every user of Wasabi and ever UTXO stored on a Wasabi wallet and decide which ones were and were not allowed to partake in coinjoins. They have since revealed that they did this voluntarily to protect their own operations and therefore their own profits, and not because they were forced to because of any government, law, or regulation.

Wasabi is now pro-censorship and anti-privacy. They should be avoided, unless you like seeing your coinjoin fees go straight to a blockchain analysis company which is being paid to spy on you and you specifically.

April 26 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies about the Wasabi coordinator sharing information:

Keep in mind that in addition to what has been discussed above, the Wasabi coordinator is now working with and sharing information with blockchain analysis companies, who will be drawing on a variety of non-public sources of information.

April 27 2022 - BlackHatCoiner confirms the coordinator knows nothing:

Indeed, the coordinator knows nothing about who owns what. Although, it isn't so simple to comprehend at first sight, the two parties can hide their outputs (hence why "blinded outputs") using blind signature.

May 2 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely accuses coordinators of being able to collect data:

Blockchain analysis is ultimately a process of deduction and induction.

A process which becomes much easier when the centralized coordinator is actively working with blockchain analysis companies and handing over all the data they collect.

May 12 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely claims that users are required to trust open source software:

No idea, and given how shady Wasabi have been about this whole thing, don't expect them to be honest and tell us. Any "privacy" firm coordinating with blockchain analysis firms is not to be trusted though, and especially not one which is actively using your coinjoin fees to pay blockchain analysis firms.

May 27 2022 – o_e_l_e_o falsely claims using Wasabi provides the same privacy as using a centralized exchange:

It makes no sense to continue using Wasabi, unless you do not care about your privacy at all. Your privacy with Wasabi is now akin to the privacy you get with a centralized exchange - complete surveillance.

June 12 2022 - NotATether emphasizes that the Wasabi Wallet software is “clean and uncompromised” in a thread posted about running the open source coordinator software:

The situation map is currently thus:

- The Wasabi wallet itself is still clean and uncompromised.
- But the default CoinJoin server used by Wasabi wallet (zksnacks) is now blacklisting "tainted" coins, an action which is intolerable to the community.
- Ignore the signature campaign for now, it is irrelevant to remedying the situation.


This thread exists to gather open source software on Github/Gitlab/etc. which allows the running of a Wasabi-compatible CJ mixing server. Software that cannot be plugged in to Wasabi should not be listed here. Since this battle is being fought against their main CJ server, and not analysis companies/exchanges/governments, we still have a chance for winning this, even if we are 3 months behind schedule (the announcment for the blacklisting was made last march).

Discussion on how to make such CJ software work for Wasabi (as well as the other way around) is also welcomed. Special attention should be given to getting these to run on low-powered Linux servers (think 8GB of memory or less).

June 12 2022 - o_e_l_e_o emphasizes not to use open privacy software no matter who coordinates the transactions because his feelings are hurt:

I also wouldn't recommend using Wasabi at all, even with a non censoring coordinator. The Wasabi devs have revealed very clearly where their priorities lie: Those priorities are not with their users or protecting privacy, but solely with making profits. Obviously Wasabi is open source, but I'm still not going to use a wallet which is run by a team who are willing to voluntarily sell out their users for profits.

June 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely accuses Wasabi of sacrificing user privacy:

It's not like Wasabi where they are sacrificing the privacy of the average user to cater to the bigger players.

June 18 2022 - o_e_l_e_o fights against BlackHatCoiner for suggesting that someone fork the open source coordinator on the grounds that centralized services are vulnerable to censorship:

Yes, but the source code is released under the MIT license, wherein you're allowed to modify and distribute, which means it allows you to develop it. However, being hosted by zkSNACKs means you're going to have a hard time forking it and re-releasing it successfully, as far as I understand.

I still don't see the point, though. Why start with a flawed concept (centralized coordinators which have the power to censor you) and then fork and try to modify around it, when there already exist coinjoin implementations with no centralized coordinator in the first place. Anyone with the time and ability to do this would be far better spending their time on making JoinMarket more newbie friendly.

August 9 2022 – o_e_l_e_o falsely claims Wasabi is flawed for “address reuse”:

You sure? Chainanalysis can de-mix Wasabi coinjoins, and Wasabi is pretty much infamous for it's flawed address reuse and combining of coinjoined and uncoinjoined outputs.

August 13 2022 – o_e_l_e_o discourages tens of thousands of people from using open source Bitcoin privacy tools by lying and saying Wasabi compromises privacy:

Such an approach would require encouraging tens of thousands of people to download and use Wasabi and compromise their own privacy in doing so. Not a great approach.

August 23 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies and says the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned over their data to the government has as good or better privacy than Wasabi

If projects such as Samourai, JoinMarket, ChipMixer, Bisq, LocalCryptos, Monero, and anything else which gives users as good or better privacy than Wasabi can continue unencumbered, then Wasabi can too. They simply choose not to.

November 5 2022 – Wasabi enables coinjoining, generates a new address for each payment, and prevents spying using block filters. Yet o_e_l_e_o is lying to encourage people to offboard software that preserves privacy and leak their addresses to the Samourai coinjoin coordinator instead:

One of reason Wasabi Wallet 1.0 become popular is due to user-friendliness while preserving few advance feature (address/UTXO selection).

There are plenty of other user friendly non full node wallets with such features. Granted, most don't provide coinjoins, but when you are also being spied on, censored, and having your addresses reused, then some might say a wallet without any of those features is better than Wasabi.

It could be replacement of JoinMarket-Qt which need full node since Wasabi Wallet 1.0 is one of very few SPV desktop wallet with strong privacy feature (Tor by default and BIP 157 implementation).

If you don't want to run a full node then I would suggest Sparrow wallet as the next best option to access coinjoins.

Novermber 6 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies about being able to spy on Wasabi users and tells everyone to send their coins to the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned their data over to the government:

And if you depend on third parties, then you are subjected to their rules, spying, and censorship, as we have seen in the case of Wasabi.

By using Sparrow you are still depending on third parties, but at least those third parties aren't in cahoots with blockchain analysis companies. But if that is still too complex for the average user to use without compromising their privacy in some manner, then you can just stick to ChipMixer.

February 28 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about Wasabi feeding details to a blockchain analysis firm to avoid the truth that you can change coordinators:

People who are using Wasabi aren't generally going to bother changing coordinator, because anyone who actually cares about privacy and not having their details fed directly to a blockchain analysis firm isn't using Wasabi in the first place.

March 5 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about Wasabi creating toxic change:

And that's without even touching on Wasabi's mixing of toxic change with coinjoined outputs, defeating the entire purpose in the first place.

March 8 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about BTCPay Server, claiming that coordinators can spy on them and claiming that they are “risking address reuse”

It is a mistake for BTCPay to implement this. Even if someone manages to get enough volume on a coordinator which doesn't spy on users and directly fund blockchain analysis, then they are still risking address reuse and therefore complete failure of what they are trying to achieve by coinjoining in the first place.

April 15 2023 – o_e_l_e_o falsely claims that Trezor allows blockchain analysis to monitor outputs in their hardware wallet

Cool, so I can get blockchain analysis entities to specifically monitor the outputs in my hardware wallet now. Just what I've always wanted!

April 28 2023 – o_e_l_e_o tries to sabotage a user’s privacy by convincing them not to use the coinjoin feature in Trezor, which protects your xpub and IP address from being shared, and protects your on chain data from being tracked:

I regret ever suggesting that anyone should buy a Trezor, and I will never do so again. They have shown themselves to be anti-privacy and anti-fungibility, and are therefore not just selling out their users but are actively working against bitcoin itself, in order to line their own pockets.

As he says, however, if you already have a Trezor device (and no other hardware wallet you can swap to or can afford), you are probably safe to keep using it provided you don't go anywhere near the coinjoin feature. I also don't have a single shred of trust left for Trezor, though, so I would make sure you are using it through something like Electrum or Sparrow pointed at your own node and absolutely not relying on Trezor's servers. And when it comes to the time to upgrade or replace your hardware wallet, obviously do not buy another Trezor.

June 21 2023 – o_e_l_e_o tells people to “steer well clear of ever using Wasabi” by lying about address reuse:

Add in the fact that they suffer from endemic address reuse (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419000.msg61220171#msg61220171, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62085316#msg62085316), and I would steer well clear of ever using Wasabi.

August 21 2023: BlackHatCoiner confirms that what a coordinator does with their money isn’t important for the coinjoin user:

I would also say "Service uses the fee you pay to hire a blockchain analysis company to spy on your inputs" is a pretty big con of Wasabi which you've missed.

What the default coordinator does with the money it makes isn't important for the coinjoin user, but for the integrity of their business.

Sure, but it is an objective fact that Wasabi use the fees you pay them to pay blockchain analysis companies for information about your UTXOs. And I would argue that is incredibly important for the coinjoin user.

What's important here is to break down what's user's best courses to accomplish mixing. Even if funding blockchain surveillance is completely contradictory to being proclaimed a pro-privacy service, that doesn't change their coinjoin process. Just as if Samurai announced that they're funding the Ukrainian war, it wouldn't change the effectiveness of the coinjoin. It'd ruin their reputation, and people would stop using it; not because of effectiveness, but ethical concerns.

December 9 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about BTCPay Server’s coinjoin implementation being “inferior” because of “address reuse” and lies about the existence of “deterministic links”:

The large group of people outside of Bitcointalk who are interested in coinjoins are predominantly using Samourai/Sparrow/Whirlpool. As I've said 100 times already, even putting the whole mass surveillance thing to one side why would people abandon a better coinjoin implementation in order to bootstrap an inferior one which suffers from address reuse and deterministic links?

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This is a pathetic post. I would delete it if I were you. This is just proving the kind of person you are. Someone is ill and you say you are happy. Good luck in your life...

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

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[BlackHatCoiner]

Wasabi dev praising for someone's death. Here is the moral gatekeeper I should trust on blacklisting my coins.

What a scum.

[Hhampuz]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

If you are displaying this poor judgement and stupidity in public I'll never trust a single line of code you've had your hands on. Leo made this thread himself, you dickhead.

[Kruw]

If you are displaying this poor judgement and stupidity in public I'll never trust a single line of code you've had your hands on.

I don't code.

Leo made this thread himself, you dickhead.

I know who the OP is.

[apogio]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

Why would I be happy that anyone died? I must be stupid to say that I am happy because someone died. And I wouldn't be happy if CSW died. I would definitely didn't go to a thread were everyone is grieving to cause such a disturbance.

And in case you don't realise it, you managed to create chaos in this very grieving moment. At least show some respect, but I don't require it, I seriously think you are a bad person.

Oh and finally, Leo is alive! And we are all here to support him. Because no matter who you are, he would never react like you did in a similar occasion.

From now on, you are on my ignore list, don't bother answering, I will never see it.

[Kruw]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

Why would I be happy that anyone died? I must be stupid to say that I am happy because someone died. And I wouldn't be happy if CSW died. I would definitely didn't go to a thread were everyone is grieving to cause such a disturbance.

And in case you don't realise it, you managed to create chaos in this very grieving moment. At least show some respect, but I don't require it, I seriously think you are a bad person.

Oh and finally, Leo is alive! And we are all here to support him. Because no matter who you are, he would never react like you did in a similar occasion.

From now on, you are on my ignore list, don't bother answering, I will never see it.

You didn't respond to my last post:

This is a pathetic post. I would delete it if I were you. This is just proving the kind of person you are. Someone is ill and you say you are happy. Good luck in your life...

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

[Mia Chloe]

Good riddance o_e_l_e_o.  No one else I've interacted with on this forum has done more damage to the future of Bitcoin and future of freedom than you.  Even after your involvement with the Chipmixer scam, you knowlingy spread continuous lies about privacy weaknesses in Bitcoin that do not exist. Your scheme of tricking people into giving up their data and stealing their coins will finally come to an end.

I see no sense in this.
Death is never a good thing even if Leo had offended you indirectly in the past you should at least bid him a farewell based on his condition. Not everyone is strong enough to fight cancer for over a decade.

Besides that you have no proof to what you are saying. And for the record Leo was so much help to me during my newbie journey especially when it came to protecting my coins.

Behaving like this on the forum shows you would do worse in reality.

[Ever-young]

@Kruw Can you take your arguments and misunderstandings somewhere else and allow this thread to serve its purposes? No matter the kind of hatred or arguments you might have with the Op, it's not right to cause such distractions in his farewell thread, which was created for his fans and loved ones, and the best you could have done is to avoid this thread and take your drama somewhere else.
 
We are all humans. Can you please show some level of sympathy here? And if not, then just leave the thread fvck alone, create your own thread, and take the argument there.

[Kruw]

I see no sense in this.
Death is never a good thing even if Leo had offended you indirectly in the past you should at least bid him a farewell based on his condition. Not everyone is strong enough to fight cancer for over a decade.

Actually, I would say the opposite:  Since o_e_l_e_o doesn't have much time left to make things right, he should use this chance to correct the record and apologize for knowingly spreading lies about weaknesses in Bitcoin's privacy.  Bitcointalk posts are a legacy you leave behind even after you die, so it's worth it to extend eternity your honesty.

Besides that you have no proof to what you are saying.

I do have proof, o_e_l_e_o continuously spreads the lie that privacy of coinjoins are "deeply flawed" due to people reusing addresses and just doesn't care that he has been proven wrong, he just puts them on his ignore list or blames Gavin Andreson instead of admitting he was wrong:

In terms of whatever Peter Todd thinks of Wasabi, I tend not to care what one person's opinion is, regardless of who that person is. Gavin Andresen was a reputable contributor to bitcoin, and people blindly listening to his opinion has caused untold damage in this space. The opinion of one person is irrelevant, especially when that opinion can be bought. I care about the facts. And the facts of the matter are that Wasabi directly funds the enemies of privacy, and that Wasabi coinjoins are deeply flawed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476210.msg63334000#msg63334000.

o_e_l_e_o says he cares about the facts, let's see if he's too proud to finally admit the fact that using the same deterministic seed on two devices generates the same addresses.

@Kruw Can you take your arguments and misunderstandings somewhere else and allow this thread to serve its purposes? No matter the kind of hatred or arguments you might have with the Op, it's not right to cause such distractions in his farewell thread, which was created for his fans and loved ones, and the best you could have done is to avoid this thread and take your drama somewhere else.
 
We are all humans. Can you please show some level of sympathy here? And if not, then just leave the thread fvck alone, create your own thread, and take the argument there.

It's the "reputation" forum.  It's not just for "fans and loved ones".

[Alpha Marine]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

Wow!
How do you celebrate the death of another person? Simply because the person has other views from you? Not even like they were extremist views. That's too low.
So you expect people to celebrate Craig Wright's death? C'mon man. What kind of a human are you?

Feeling a certain type of joy about this news is one thing, coming under the thread to celebrate it is another thing entirely. That sums up the kind of person you are.

[Kruw]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

Wow!
How do you celebrate the death of another person? Simply because the person has other views from you? Not even like they were extremist views. That's too low.

You seem to be mistaken: o_e_l_e_o doesn't have "other views from me", o_e_l_e_o wakes up in the morning and spends his day trying to trick Bitcoin users out of their data and coins.  His method for doing so is by attacking innocent non custodial privacy projects by going to thread after thread on this forum and accusing the non custodial projects of being "deeply flawed".  By spreading lies about nonexistent flaws in non custodial projects, he deceives viewers into depositing their coins into the custodian he's promoting instead.  Then, the custodian takes all the money and turns over the data to the government.

So how do you respond to being victim of false accusations from o_e_l_e_o?  By challenging the accusations directly, and calling him out to prove them.  o_e_l_e_o was directly confronted about the lies he was spreading about non custodial privacy projects and challenged to prove he could trace their Bitcoins, and of course he was proven to be bluffing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62085049#msg62085049

Even after Peter Todd directly debunked o_e_l_e_o's claims of "address reuse" being a flaw in coinjoins, he won't won't even acknowledge Peter Todd proving him wrong.  He blames Gavin Andresen instead and continues his completely fabricated accusations against the non custodial project:

In terms of whatever Peter Todd thinks of Wasabi, I tend not to care what one person's opinion is, regardless of who that person is. Gavin Andresen was a reputable contributor to bitcoin, and people blindly listening to his opinion has caused untold damage in this space. The opinion of one person is irrelevant, especially when that opinion can be bought. I care about the facts. And the facts of the matter are that Wasabi directly funds the enemies of privacy, and that Wasabi coinjoins are deeply flawed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476210.msg63334000#msg63334000.

o_e_l_e_o has made victims out of the innocent Bitcoiners who trusted him with their funds and data, and o_e_l_e_o attacked the innocent heros who built open source non custodial projects that provide Bitcoiners complete privacy.

Feeling a certain type of joy about this news is one thing, coming under the thread to celebrate it is another thing entirely. That sums up the kind of person you are.

I'm not "celebrating", I'm making sure that those coming here to kiss o_e_l_e_o's ass remember the amount of vicious damage he's inflicted on Bitcoin after he's gone.  Dying does not grant you innocence for the evil you did while you were alive, EVERYONE is a mortal.

[Vod]

Dying does not grant you innocence for the evil you did while you were alive

Sure it does.  I don't think he will feel guilty after he has passed on.

[Kruw]

Sure it does.  I don't think he will feel guilty after he has passed on.

Whether your are innocent or guilty doesn't depend on how you "feel", that's determined by facts.  And the fact is, using a deterministic seed on two devices generates the same addresses on each device:  

In terms of whatever Peter Todd thinks of Wasabi, I tend not to care what one person's opinion is, regardless of who that person is. Gavin Andresen was a reputable contributor to bitcoin, and people blindly listening to his opinion has caused untold damage in this space. The opinion of one person is irrelevant, especially when that opinion can be bought. I care about the facts. And the facts of the matter are that Wasabi directly funds the enemies of privacy, and that Wasabi coinjoins are deeply flawed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5476210.msg63334000#msg63334000.

o_e_l_e_o says he cares about the facts, let's see if he's too proud to finally admit the fact that using the same deterministic seed on two devices generates the same addresses.

[mrust_mobile]

Wasabi dev praising for someone's death. Here is the moral gatekeeper I trust on blacklisting my coins.

What a scum.

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

Craig is a mentally sick son of a bitch. Nobody would care.

[decodx]

What a miserable person.  Unbelievably!  If this is how the folks behind Wasabi Wallet act, I don't think I'd feel real confident using their product.  Whether this guy actually works for em or is just some shill it don't really matter - he basically showed that they got some issues with how they treat people.  I ain't tryin' to be mean, but his behavior here was definitely outta line and  the guys gotta get it together.

[ineedhelpplease]

Have some respect, that person may literally lose his life and here you are whining about what he said in the past. No one cares about your little bitcoin project. You are retarded

[dkbit98]

100% Pathetic, and recipe how to ruin reputation in forum.
This to me looks like a mad man dancing on someone else's grave... certainly not the normal behavior from a healthy human being.
I didn't agree with some of the things said by o_e_l_e_o, and I had arguments with other members, but I would not wish anything bad to happen to any of them, even to my worst enemies.

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul...

[SmartGold01]

How would you react if Craig Wright died?  Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

You don't have to wish someone else died because dead doesn't best suit for anyone out there but we must know that it's something inevitable and any one earth I mean everyone must surely face it, so don't wish else did or would you afford to die for anyone out there? Of curse No because I know life is sweet and Good every one out there would love to enjoy more good things about life instead of to leave the world just like that.

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

If you think that leo attacks you in your previous comments that doesn't mean that he is a mortal or not but you should know that he is passing good information because I know that leo is a very learned user and not just that, he is also reputable forum user who they so much respected over here.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

You have to know how to be a gentleman in situations like this, in my language we say that you have to be a gentleman in victory and in defeat and Kruw has not been one.

[JeromeTash]

Sorry for using some foul language, Mr. Kruw, but you're such a dick. A miserable one!
Do you think you are a god or something like that?

[WhyFhy]

Wasabi dev praising for someone's death. Here is the moral gatekeeper I should trust on blacklisting my coins.

What a scum.

Am I in the wrong campaign?

Seeing as you DT distrust me and have never felt the compulsion to stand on your own two feet to say why you did so - don't let the door slam you in the face if you think that's the soft exit option.

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My door has always been open to anyone wanting to have an honest discussion.  (you distrust me, but I don't distrust you)


You're just a thin skinned DT Troll who now wants sympathy.  


Your vote won't count when you are gone.

I felt this was a nasty piece too over something so...petty.
 If it bugs you that much why not PM?
Do you care about bitcointalk trust system so much you'd talk bad about em to em on their deathbed?
At this point community loses it purpose for you and you should step out for a bit.
  Even if he removes it, we will remember you said that.

[mikeywith]

apologize for knowingly spreading lies about weaknesses in Bitcoin's privacy.

Why are you addressing your own wallet as "Bitcoin"?

I have followed the debate very closely, and have read most of your posts and Leo's, he never criticized Bitcoin or Coinjoin privacy, and he explicitly criticized your wallet's address reuse and its association with chain analysis, since you can't be a gentleman and show sympathy to someone who is very sick, the least you could do is not accuse them of something they never did.

[Vod]

Do you think you are a god or something like that?

He better not!   

There can only be one Vod.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Am I in the wrong campaign?

Wasabi is operated by a team which is caught lying frequently, supporting censorship, providing questionable levels of privacy, doxxing their competitors, and as Leo would put it, directly funding the enemy.

I do not decide what's morally right or wrong for you, that's usually Kruw's business. If you find it morally acceptable to advertise Wasabi after all this information, then so be it.

[notblox1]

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

So you must be immortal and above him and everyone else in this forum, you are above us all as übermensch  
Nobody asked you for your opinion about his health condition, but so much negativity is coming from you that I would never use anything you are shilling.
Time for you to go and visit a shrink, I wish you speedy recovery.

[PytagoraZ]

We are called humans because we have human nature. It's not easy to be in Leo's position, and one day we will also be in his position. Remember friends, we don't live forever. There is a lot of hatred in this world, but in certain conditions we need to prioritize humanity over ego and hatred.

Maybe one day I will make the same thread as Leo, and I'm sure I will miss you all, miss the friendship and enmity that exists here.

[Vod]

We are called humans because we have human nature.

Actually, I think we have human nature because we are called humans. 

[Helena Yu]

I believe most people are like this

Didn't mean to support @OP, but we should able (regardless you're want or not) to take criticism in internet when we're someone who stand up and can make a voice. The good thing is, the moderators already deleted the posts that purposely insults o_e_l_e_o.

[komisariatku]

We are called humans because we have human nature.

Actually, I think we have human nature because we are called humans. 

Human is human... Lol

[FinneysTrueVision]

100% Pathetic, and recipe how to ruin reputation in forum.
This to me looks like a mad man dancing on someone else's grave... certainly not the normal behavior from a healthy human being.
I didn't agree with some of the things said by o_e_l_e_o, and I had arguments with other members, but I would not wish anything bad to happen to any of them, even to my worst enemies.

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul...

I've seen similarly abhorrent behavior from Samourai devs and their community. If somebody associated with Wasabi had suffered a misfortune I guarantee the trolling would be 10x worse. That being said, o_e_l_e_o isn't directly connected to Samourai so letting out their anger on him at this moment is unjustified.

When I felt he was misinformed I did my best to provide a counterargument and moved on. Getting personal and mudslinging when someone is trying to respectfully depart from this forum only undermines one's position.

I also don't agree with people using this opportunity, when everybody is piling on Wasabi, to act like they are saints and they would never advertise dodgy services with questionable ethics and flawed privacy. These are topics which can be debated at a later time when tempers have subsided and we can be more reasonable in our arguments rather than resorting to throwing tantrums and using ad hominems.

[GeorgeJohn]

This is a pathetic post. I would delete it if I were you. This is just proving the kind of person you are. Someone is ill and you say you are happy. Good luck in your life...

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

You don't need to be excited for someone illness, now you wanna attack him back because of his condition or you are mocking him because what he put in writing concerning his life,  buddy you don't have to do that because life is like a spinning table and also inevitable, when you mock someone one God will put you in shoe of that person.

[EarnOnVictor]

If you are displaying this poor judgement and stupidity in public I'll never trust a single line of code you've had your hands on.

I don't code.

Leo made this thread himself, you dickhead.

I know who the OP is.

Bro, you are entitled to all your opinions, but at times, we should be more human and be insensitive.

What I see you doing here is so insensitive. Fine, you and the guy could have had one or two issues together, but it is just a forum where we share opinions, and nothing more. We could be trolled at times or even get so angry but it shouldn't be unto death. This person is dying and what you could do is to be engaging in all sorts like this? It is certainly not fair.

The best you could have done is to just ignore the thread if you still hold a grudge against him. Let's be human for once.

[NotATether]

Wasabi dev praising for someone's death. Here is the moral gatekeeper I should trust on blacklisting my coins.

What a scum.

Shhhhh, its Samourai devs who are supposed to be morally repugnant.  
/s

Am I in the wrong campaign?

Kruw's posts on this board are single-handedly making the Wasabi signature campaign look bad. I mean how would it look if people see advertisements for a service whose contributors can't even show some respect for a dying person. These are things even those in favor of blacklisting would be against.

[Vod]

Still, not that it matters now - I'll drop off the DT selection algorithm soon enough.

If enough people trust you (like me), you will stay on DT2 forever. 

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Kruw's posts on this board are single-handedly making the Wasabi signature campaign look bad. I mean how would it look if people see advertisements for a service whose contributors can't even show some respect for a dying person. These are things even those in favor of blacklisting would be against.

If this guy is a Dev and this is his moral then I don't think there is a reason to Trust Wasabi wallet. I wonder what is the thought of the people involved in the signature campaign including the manager involved in it. On the other hand, there were some other issues related to Wasabi wallet in the past. The forum does not moderate advertising except mixers in the recent days but I think as the member of the community we really need to avoid such projects that has people with low moral.

Someday something may go wrong and they will wish you to die. They may even expose your coin and report it to the agencies who are looking for your information.

[KingsDen]

You have to know how to be a gentleman in situations like this, in my language we say that you have to be a gentleman in victory and in defeat and Kruw has not been one.

I saw that you left a feedback in OP's profile and the feedback read thus; Shameful behavior rejoicing in the upcoming death of one of the best members of the forum, the champion of earned merit o_e_l_e_o
I was shocked at the write up and as well as o_e_l_e_o farewell thread. How are you very sure that o_e_l_e_o will die? Common! This guy could survive this even against his believe. Let's be optimistic and expect the best.

[Agbe]

~

I am still in the realm of thinking that how did he even know that he is going to die? It looks like illusion. I will never say Rest In Peace to a living legend. Saying farewell to someone which is still breathing is not supportive. There are some comments I also see here that is not really nice. And this is what someone did in the Ratimov's dead which I was trying to debunk but I was attacked so I declined from my statement to avoid conflict. There are some terms we don't have to use for the living.

[Poker Player]

After seeing what has happened here, I have just communicated to the manager icopress that I will not continue in the Wasabi campaign because it goes against my moral principles. I will simply wait until the end of the week tomorrow and I will remove my signature.

I am not going to hold anything against those who will remain in the campaign or those who still have dealings with him but I simply can't continue.

[stompix]

I'm starting to think Kruw hated wasabi more than anyone here, there is no way someone could have done a better attack on their reputation than this one, I'm seeing a thing that is supposed to be a human lifeform dancing on somebody's grave with a sign "Shoot me I'm a moron" in his hand!

If this guy is a Dev

Is he actually one? I stopped following the drama when it became repetitive and just stuck on the same replies, but has is there any proof of his connection with the team other than constant ass licking?

[NeuroticFish]

Why should I excuse or forgive

I've seen some of your posts and was kind of surprised by the way you see the things.

But this topic shows clearly, if it was still needed, the true you.
Sadly.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

After seeing what has happened here, I have just communicated to the manager icopress that I will not continue in the Wasabi campaign because it goes against my moral principles. I will simply wait until the end of the week tomorrow and I will remove my signature.

I am not going to hold anything against those who will remain in the campaign or those who still have dealings with him but I simply can't continue.

icopress had opinions in their favour in the past. Let's see if he has the same opinion now. At some point he must be convinced and took the responsibility to give them the platform to advertise the business. As the participants, it's hard to give a call when you are under a manager who managed some successful campaigns. But you did well.

If this guy is a Dev

Is he actually one? I stopped following the drama when it became repetitive and just stuck on the same replies, but has is there any proof of his connection with the team other than constant ass licking?

I can not verify the source but so far my understanding, he is one of the Dev. A complete piece of junk.

[JayJuanGee]

Seeing as you DT distrust me and have never felt the compulsion to stand on your own two feet to say why you did so

I explained my reasons to you on multiple occasions - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5271997.msg55093424#msg55093424
Still, not that it matters now - I'll drop off the DT selection algorithm soon enough.

If I were Leo, I wouldn't even create this thread.

I completely understand that position. But after many years here and several users I would consider friends, I felt I owed the community a basic explanation at least. And not to mention that this account would be highly valuable if sold, could be used to scam, could take out large no-collateral loans, and so on. Better to remove all doubt.
Thanks to the users who reported the trash and the mods who cleaned this thread up. I think it's probably run its course now. I've got a few more PMs to send over the coming days, but this will be my last post. Farewell everyone.

I started to draft my response to post within o_e_l_e_o’s Farewell thread, and then as the above post indicates, he closed it, and surely I would have preferred to have had made this particular post in that particular thread….  since I think that once the decision had been made to open such a thread, then a week or more would have been better to have had kept it open, as he had indicated in OP…. maybe even a couple of weeks would have had been even MOAR better to really allow for members to find out about the thread and to consider a post therein..  – even though surely the haters are going to come, and maybe I am thinking that it is just better to let the whole thing run once it had been decided to open it.. and some of the over-the-top haters’ posts will end up getting deleted… but some of those hater posts will likely continue to stand and even sometimes derailing the thread… but that’s how the forum has been going and is likely to continue to work, at least since I have been trying to pay attention to this forum...  and o_e_l_e_o’s already existing post history of 16,676 generally well-drafted posts (as far as I am able to tell) should speak for themselves to quite a bit of an extent, to the extent that they are not deleted, archive or otherwise lost (you know like some of the historical surprises of losing many of our earlier images, but now https://www.talkimg.com/ is mostly holding up.. but you never know about future loss of content).

I do consider that there likely is a bit of a dilemma regarding something like saying goodbye in a forum like this, and many folks cannot really know their own demise, and I cannot completely discount Leo’s own perceptions and/or judgement in this kind of a situation, yet we can ONLY speculate in regards to what kind of presumptively degenerative condition (that goes beyond mere aging) had been affecting him and continuing to affect him, and some conditions are more degrading on physical and mental performance than others, and who can know it one way of going would be better than another, and sometimes we might not know whether we have any options to choose our participation or our involuntary removal from participation whether it is in a forum like this or otherwise…

There likely are quite a few forum members who have had either gone through some kind of near death experience and/or come into some kind of experience of their own or even being close to others who are going through such experiences, that may help each of us to relate to reconsiderations of our own mortality.  

Having a longer term degenerative condition may well force more dealing with situations of thinking about mortality and even loss of physical and mental functions.. including my own ongoing concerns and mentioning in regards to how much energy any of us (including yours truly) might feel that we have to be able to engage in powerful physical and/or mental functions, versus still being able to function but not necessarily with a lot of power, and just not at the top of our game.  

Surely one of the benefits of the mental function is that it may well still be able to retain a decent amount of high performance in spite physical denigration, but the physical and the mental still remain connected, and recognizing that time might be coming closer to the end is likely more of a recognition that bodily functions are likely getting into further and further deteriorated states that are less and less likely to reverse in any kind of meaningful and/or life sustaining kind of way.

I appreciated some of the earlier posts in Leo’s farewell thread in which there was discussion of a need to fight until the end, and surely if someone has had a known degenerative condition for many years, then I would presume that there likely has been ongoing fighting, which Leo also mentioned, so we should not presume a lack of fighting, while still recognizing at certain points, it may well be better to voluntarily leave certain activities, such as posting in a forum like this, and to focus on other kinds of activities (such as spending time with family or even wrapping up personal matters, but then there also is still going to be a lot of solitary time.. so I cannot say how one might deal with that solitary time without necessarily knowing specifics).  Even if there might be little to no expectation of living further beyond a certain amount of time (such as a couple or maybe a few months), sometimes some of those timeline calculations could end up being correct, but there could end up being just changes in the activities and maybe the estimations regarding how much time is left that end up being wrong in either direction, yet we would still need to accept and go by o_e_l_e_o’s representations in terms of him being the person best to know how much time he estimates to remain for him and also how he chooses to spend such time, within his own presumptive limitations.

Over the years, I had come across quite a few of Leo’s posts, and even had a several interactions with him.  There may have been a time or two that someone referred to Leo rather than o_e_l_e_o, and maybe that could help to put a person to a nym, and surely one of the values of Leo’s historical posts still being available on the forum is that we will be able to go back through them, and maybe even understand some of them better upon reading them over and over.  I am not going to proclaim to always really know the meaning of Leo’s posts, since frequently he had been posting from experiences and knowledge areas beyond my own understanding, yet as many had already stated, I found his posts to be generally quite informative and well-articulated (whether I agreed with or understood all of his points or not), so sometimes, there can be meaning that is not recognizable on the first reading, yet at the same time, because of Leo's leaving, we won’t be able to interact with him in a live way, but we will ONLY be able to see the contemporary interactions of his historical posts, which may or may not help us in our attempts (or desires) to try to interact with his particular ideas in a live way… so in that sense there are differences between historical live and live, live, which surely is a sad thing to lose the live, live potentiality that comes from any currently active forum member.

I am not sure about the odds that Leo will see or read this post, and I do not necessarily want to put any additional pressure on him or to overly emphasize my already stated opinion that it would have had been better to just let his own Farewell thread run wee-bit moar longer…

Yet, I am still going to say farewell Leo and I hope that your final blue marble time is without any excessive pain or suffering… and if there is such a possibility for us to meet for some beers or otherwise in some kind of time/space hereafter then I am looking forward to such.  

[WhyFhy]

Am I in the wrong campaign?

Wasabi is operated by a team which is caught lying frequently, supporting censorship, providing questionable levels of privacy, doxxing their competitors, and as Leo would put it, directly funding the enemy.

I do not decide what's morally right or wrong for you, that's usually Kruw's business. If you find it morally acceptable to advertise Wasabi after all this information, then so be it.

After seeing what has happened here, I have just communicated to the manager icopress that I will not continue in the Wasabi campaign because it goes against my moral principles. I will simply wait until the end of the week tomorrow and I will remove my signature.

I am not going to hold anything against those who will remain in the campaign or those who still have dealings with him but I simply can't continue.

I slept on it. And I'm in the same boat.
Will be my last week as well.

[Mpamaegbu]

Wasabi dev praising for someone's death.

That's a strong reason enough for me not to have anything to do with that Wasabi project.

What? @o_e_l_e_o is facing the inevitability of mortality and someone is somewhere rejoicing like they're immune to death? That's a serious dickhead, if you asked me. Really disgusting.

From afar, and having read many of your posts o_e_l_e_o, I'm compelled to confess that you made a tremendous impact on this forum. I feel saddened by this health issue of yours. I hope a miracle happens that turns things around for you.

[WhyFhy]

Wasabi dev praising for someone's death. Here is the moral gatekeeper I should trust on blacklisting my coins.

What a scum.

Asking for friends , as I took your word on this.

How is he a wasabi dev/team member?

@Bitcoingirl.Club
@BlackHatCoiner

[BlackHatCoiner]

Shhhhh, its Samourai devs who are supposed to be morally repugnant.

For the sake of the discussion, I don't believe Samourai devs are saint either. I mean, they are orders of magnitude more trustworthy than Wasabi, and I'm a whirlpool user myself, but we frequently notice Samourai vs. Wasabi disputes which ruin the reputation of both.

I'm starting to think Kruw hated wasabi more than anyone here, there is no way someone could have done a better attack on their reputation than this one

Praising someone's death is undoubtedly one of the easiest ways to tarnish your reputation. However, there are numerous red flags associated with Wasabi's reputation. Even if you overlook Wasabi as an entity with all the falsehoods surrounding fungibility, address reuse, and the fact that zkSNACKs funds blockchain analysis, there's still a significant concern with Kruw himself serving as an alarm bell for Wasabi.

Deliberately disregarding every argument against Wasabi, resorting to whataboutism, and repeatedly using the same soundbites, accusing signature campaign participants of stealing users' coins without providing any evidence, believing that blacklisting in Bitcoin is sometimes necessary-- overall, his ethics seem to be a perplexing area.

How is he a wasabi dev/team member?

He has public stated he is a Wasabi contributor. If you check his Github page, he has worked on Wasabi.

[WhyFhy]

Shhhhh, its Samourai devs who are supposed to be morally repugnant.

For the sake of the discussion, I don't believe Samourai devs are saint either. I mean, they are orders of magnitude more trustworthy than Wasabi, and I'm a whirlpool user myself, but we frequently notice Samourai vs. Wasabi disputes which ruin the reputation of both.

I'm starting to think Kruw hated wasabi more than anyone here, there is no way someone could have done a better attack on their reputation than this one

Praising someone's death is undoubtedly one of the easiest ways to tarnish your reputation. However, there are numerous red flags associated with Wasabi's reputation. Even if you overlook Wasabi as an entity with all the falsehoods surrounding fungibility, address reuse, and the fact that zkSNACKs funds blockchain analysis, there's still a significant concern with Kruw himself serving as an alarm bell for Wasabi.

Deliberately disregarding every argument against Wasabi, resorting to whataboutism, and repeatedly using the same soundbites, accusing signature campaign participants of stealing users' coins without providing any evidence, believing that blacklisting in Bitcoin is sometimes necessary-- overall, his ethics seem to be a perplexing area.

How is he a wasabi dev/team member?

He has public stated he is a Wasabi contributor. If you check his Github page, he has worked on Wasabi.

Aside from other issues with wasabi..(That I don't condone)

Contributing 7 Grammer commits hardly constitutes as a dev.

 I don't know why he would even mention it.

https://github.com/zkSNACKs/WalletWasabi/commits?author=Kruwed&since=2024-01-01&until=2024-01-21

I'd bet that wasabi would back the bus over this dude 5 times.

Bet hey, it brought to my attention of other issues that I'm glad happened. It's unfortunate for the project as a whole.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

How are you very sure that o_e_l_e_o will die?

First, the only thing I'm sure of is that we're all going to die, and second, o_e_l_e_o being a health professional I'm sure he knows a lot more than you do about what's going to happen to him. From what he has explained I gather that he is suffering from cancer or a degenerative disease in an advanced stage already, and both he and I do not believe in miracles.

[SamReomo]

First, the only thing I'm sure of is that we're all going to die, and second, o_e_l_e_o being a health professional I'm sure he knows a lot more than you do about what's going to happen to him. From what he has explained I gather that he is suffering from cancer or a degenerative disease in an advanced stage already, and both he and I do not believe in miracles.

I also belong to health sector and I also think that o_e_l_e_o is facing a chronic disease like Cancer or something similar. He tried his best to fight the disease for many years but now it's out of control and has grown to higher stages. I'm not sure what's going to happen to him but still I hope that he may survive a few years to spend some good time with his family.

Although, I do believe in miracles but they don't necessarily take place all the time but I hope that something whether call it a miracle or anything else should take place that may help o_e_l_e_o to live longer that what other doctors have told him. Sometimes those things happen but with very few people.

My message for o_e_l_e_o is that whether you have 10 months or 10 years just live it happily my friend and avoid listening to all those people who just want to dishearten others. The OP of this thread doesn't really know what to speak on matters like this and I just request everyone to ignore such people.

[Vod]

First, the only thing I'm sure of is that we're all going to die

We live in a world that will soon make that untrue, in the same way a ship can be replaced piece by piece over time and remain the same ship.  If we moved to digital existence, we could manipulate our time perception to essentially live forever.  Maybe not your generation, but your grandkids; just a few decades after we discover ASI.

Imagine an AGI determines a criminal against its beliefs needs rehabilitation not for the rest of his life, but for a trillion years.   Their perception of time is altered, but their pain centers are enhanced.   Wait, did I just describe hell?  

Luckily, our unfortunate soul does not believe in hell, and he may not survive to Elon's literal mind control .   So I know regardless of what people write about him from anonymous accounts, he will soon not care at all and it will expose the attacker as a coward.

[mrust_mobile]

How are you very sure that o_e_l_e_o will die?

First, the only thing I'm sure of is that we're all going to die, and second, o_e_l_e_o being a health professional I'm sure he knows a lot more than you do about what's going to happen to him. From what he has explained I gather that he is suffering from cancer or a degenerative disease in an advanced stage already, and both he and I do not believe in miracles.

Degenerative Disc Disease? That one is a bitch. It will happen to anyone who lived long enough and the process speeds up if you don’t take care of your spine. Need to strengthen your lower back muscles if you don’t want to be  a cripple in your 60’s, 70’s.

[yahoo62278]

Regardless of how we might feel about a person, their character, morals, religion, or whatever we should still be able to show a person compassion and be empathetic to their situation.

Every single 1 of us is going to face health issues in life. You may or may not still be an active user on this forum. You may or may not be a likeable member.

If you post about a health situation you are facing, do you want people to ridicule you or post bad things for their own agenda? It's pretty shameful behavior.

[Hueristic]

This is a pathetic post. I would delete it if I were you. This is just proving the kind of person you are. Someone is ill and you say you are happy. Good luck in your life...

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

You are Piece of excrement.

[arabspaceship123]

I can't believe reading what's being said by a human to human. If ppl have different opinions they shouldn't let their humanity die when they discover bad news. When I've been active in my EPS or bitcoin topics Leo's posted to helped. He's helped ppl for a long time so his forum status can't be changed but Kruw won't be considered a good person. He won't leave the forum it doesn't matter because his rep's going to be blacklisted look his trust's in free fall.

Regardless of how we might feel about a person, their character, morals, religion, or whatever we should still be able to show a person compassion and be empathetic to their situation.

Every single 1 of us is going to face health issues in life. You may or may not still be an active user on this forum. You may or may not be a likeable member.

If you post about a health situation you are facing, do you want people to ridicule you or post bad things for their own agenda? It's pretty shameful behavior.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

We live in a world that will soon make that untrue, in the same way a ship can be replaced piece by piece over time and remain the same ship.  If we moved to digital existence, we could manipulate our time perception to essentially live forever.  Maybe not your generation, but your grandkids; just a few decades after we discover ASI.

Not forever. That is the self-delusion that billionaires want to believe. Basically, they see themselves as above the rest of mortals and think: and now I have to die, like the rest of the suckers living in the world? They are spending a lot of money first to extend life as long as possible, which is not bad, and then to be able to reach the transhumanism you are talking about.

But everything has an end. However much we can transfer our 'minds' to another physical medium, the possibility of a nuclear war or a cosmic cataclysm will always be there. Even the sun has a limited lifespan. What will humanity do when the sun's life is over? The nearest star is 4.3 light years away, and there are no habitable planets there.

It may be possible to extend life indefinitely, but forever, no way.

[mrust_mobile]

If Charlie Munger can die, anyone can die. We are not there yet. If somehow we get there, don't think they will give it you for free. They won't be asking for money too. They will ask for your freedom.



Look at this battery farm! yummy

[johnsaributua]

Even someone who has a reputation and standing in bitcointalk can leave so quickly because of a medical sentence or a separate reason that asks for permanent deletion of his account. If this happens, I will be very sorry because the scientific work on the forum will be lost too, right? I am too selfish to say I disagree, but if it is not closed, there may be people who clone users and other people will think that just moving accounts and causing crimes in the future may be.
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The death of anyone is sad news that should not be made a discussion like cussing, because no one knows every human being including users in this bitcointalk, whatever your achievements and activities in bitcoin talk must have functions and benefits with their respective interests, I always support as long as knowledge is useful even though the way of delivery is different and accepted by different psychologists.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

You are Piece of excrement.

A massive, steaming pile of it on a hot summer day, surrounded by flies.

Disgusting behaviour by the OP, he should he ashamed of himself.

[notblox1]

I dont remember seeing any other member with more neutral feedbacks that are actually more negative than neutral than kruw does
This two guys had history here and it would be much better to say last goodbye to each other in peace, than doing something like this.

15 neutral + 1 negative = 16 negative
https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3534730

[ArikeTobi]

Two things got me upset about this thread, the first is that OP created this just to draw the curtain on the reputation of someone who doesn't like his own idea or concept, I can't believe that what has been discussed and become past are still still resurrecting in your mind with Leo to the extent that you're taking it personal, if I don't like the concept with wasabi doesn't mean we should take that mentality to affect our human relations.

Not to the point of someone dieing and you're not still concerned about anything than to keep ressurecting dead discussions about wasabi, how is discussion on Bitcointalk has much to do about our relationship with others and personal life, the talk in Bitcointalk gives everyone right to talk his own, even if we are not ok bu it, if you can be this carlos in proxy, I wonder how terrible you will be in real life.

[AprilioMP]

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

What do we care about you because you are nothing more than a human being who never used the left brain or the right brain while being human.
If you have used the two functions of the left brain and the right brain, then you will not have thoughts like that.

Even though it's useless to respond to your rotten thoughts towards someone who has taught many users who have just joined the forum through his thoughts in every post, one of them is me who learned a lot from him.

For all the people I respect who read this, I will write here what I felt after knowing Leo made a farewell greeting.

I am the person who regrets the most that I didn't have time to write a single word on the topic and didn't have time to write a line on another topic about Leo's farewell which has been locked.
If I knew where he was now, I would meet him and accompany him until he changed his mind.
I felt like I had lost a genius figure who I didn't really know but I knew because of his knowledge.


Leo

[Smartvirus]

This is a pathetic post. I would delete it if I were you. This is just proving the kind of person you are. Someone is ill and you say you are happy. Good luck in your life...

Why should I excuse or forgive o_e_l_e_o's continuous attacks on Bitcoin just because he's mortal?

I’ve been going over every line in your OP, quote and all but yet, I still can’t wrap my head at the character you seem to portray here. I remain in some disbelief as to how inhuman you chose to portray yourself over the hurt to a family, forum and people in the life of one who would be seen for an icon/idol to many over some claims. Like, this unique personality’s demise doesn’t mean nothing to you… am disgusted and you don’t act like one that should belong with any community.

Without giving away too much personal info, I have a chronic disease. I've had this disease for a decade and have had a lot of treatment for it, but it is winning. I likely only have a few months left. And so, I bid you all farewell. I'll be spending as much of my remaining time as possible with my family. In a week or so, once this thread has run its course, I'll ask theymos to lock this account.

I have learnt a lot from many of you, and I hope many of you have learnt something from me. Although we will never meet, I would have loved to share a beer with many of you, and I hope you'll remember me fondly.

Leo

Oh Leo! I am only seeing this just now after making some references and it greatly saddens my heart to be hearing this of you and from you. It wouldn’t have been so hurtful hearing this for a reported speech even though I don’t wish this upon you ever. The thought of not being able to help yourself in this situation is just so hurtful to try and comprehend or accept.
I still recall you from my earliest days on the forum and the way I do pronounce your user quite uniquely. Now knowing that you would be living not to be seen again, is just something so bitter to my taste and knowledge. When you did said it’s been winning is where you did let my emotions loosed. Still, hope having yo be with family and loved once’s could nurse you good and find you more time to be happy.
You would be missed!

[Majestic-milf]

 The Op is just being a sadist. Harboring a grudge on someone who won't know you exist soon enough is the highest form of stupidity for me. So, what? Because o_e_l_e_o called you out on your shit coin and you decided that the best way to avenge is to care less about his death or be happy about it? Dude if I were you, I'd go do something productive with my life. Seems you are lacking inspo and you feel taking a pass at him will get you some form of satisfaction, eh?.

You even opening a thread about it just shows how low of a thinker you are. I hope you're happy you're getting replies to this sick thread.

[Timelord2067]

Speaking of harbouring a grudge - the thin skinned DT Trolls are now using the trust feedback system as a note book / post it note to project their never ending anger on others as evidenced by this latest pissing against my trust feedback wall by two without hope thin skinned DT Trolls:




Time to let it go.

[Sim_card]

OP, you shouldn't forget that no one is immortal, and we are going to die soon, and no one will live here forever. Nobody knows who is going to die next, and stop acting like you are in the better position to judge others, because your own judgment awaits you someday. Leo has done more good to the forum than you. You don't need to be happy over someone's departure from the world, this is how people will also be happy when you die.

[nutildah]

Speaking of harbouring a grudge - the thin skinned DT Trolls are now using the trust feedback system as a note book / post it note to project their never ending anger on others

But you would never do such a thing right? 

TBH I thought about doing the same but changed my mind because your reputation is already beyond rehabilitation. What you said and how you interjected yourself into the topic was extremely low class.

Have you ever once considered that maybe you're the one with the problem?

No?

I know there's a word for such a disorder but it escapes me at the moment.

[NotATether]

Speaking of harbouring a grudge - the thin skinned DT Trolls are now using the trust feedback system as a note book / post it note to project their never ending anger on others as evidenced by this latest pissing against my trust feedback wall by two without hope thin skinned DT Trolls:

DT is like a woman - the harder you try to get her back, the more she runs away from you.

[Timelord2067]

Prove my words didn't play on e.i. e.i. e.i. Leo's conscience given his last act was to pull the plug on all of those he distrusted as well as trusted.


Old MacDonald had a farm... E.I. (all together now)

[Saint-loup]

OP, you shouldn't forget that no one is immortal, and we are going to die soon, and no one will live here forever. Nobody knows who is going to die next, and stop acting like you are in the better position to judge others, because your own judgment awaits you someday. Leo has done more good to the forum than you. You don't need to be happy over someone's departure from the world, this is how people will also be happy when you die.

I don't think it's appropriate neither efficient to tell to anyone that "people will also be happy when [they] die", even if they told it themselves to someone else, especially in such circumstances. Evilness doesn't cure evilness, it only spreads it further. Disturbed minds often legitimate retroactively their harmful actions by the punishment they receive. "Since people hurt me or wish to do it, I was right to hurt them." So if someone is mean, IMO we shouldn't stoop to their level and become like them, but rather stay true and upright to our ethics and lead by example.

[bitzizzix]

OP has made his own mistakes and harmed himself which makes him bad on this forum because of his stupidity who has no conscience forgiving people who are no longer there. And it's a shame, because most people will take good care of their profile so they don't want their reputation to be tarnished with red ink, no matter how small, it will have fatal consequences if they don't take care of it.
The quality of a person's life lies when we have forgiven people who have hurt us or whatever it is with sincerity so that that person lives or dies in a calm and peaceful state, and I really don't like OP's attitude because it only shows that the quality is very low, even lower than land.

[JayJuanGee]

Prove my words didn't play on e.i. e.i. e.i. Leo's conscience given his last act was to pull the plug on all of those he distrusted as well as trusted.
Old MacDonald had a farm... E.I. (all together now)

He might have considered completely wiping his trust (both negative and positive) as the right thing to do, and your own position (or assertions, or whinings) may not have played much of a role in his decision, except perhaps reminding him that he should consider whether to wipe his trust or to just leave it in its latest state.  

To me, it seems that he could have gone either way in regards to whether to completely wipe it or to wipe parts of it, and maybe if I am second guessing him, then it may have been better for him to have had wiped it once he had announced that he was purposefully leaving the forum based on his own assessment of his short-time line left in this world...

On the other hand, if he had not announced anything in regards to his leaving, then maybe the better thing would have had been to just let the trust list stay in its then current state-of-affairs...

There is another theory that maybe you, Timelord2067, bullied him (alternatively the squeaky wheel gets the oil theory) into doing something that he probably should not have had done, and even though you are claiming to have had an influence on what he did, none of us can really completely know anyhow, even if o_e_l_e_o (Leo) were to make one more post explaining why he ended up choosing to completely wiped his trust list..

By the way, I had personally considered adding o_e_l_e_o to my own trust list, but surely now that he had wiped his trust list, my adding him would have no effect beyond symbolic, since at some point theymos may well end up locking o_e_l_e_o's account in the same kind of way that he had locked Satoshi and Lauda's accounts.

I do find it persuasive to either add or to remove someone from your own trustlist in order to counter-act some of what might have had happened in the members trustlist, but sometimes our information ends up being somewhat incomplete in terms of feeling comfortable to be able to make some of these kinds of judgements about trustlist adjustments from time to time.

[Kruw]

Craig is a mentally sick son of a bitch. Nobody would care.

Look at the mountain of evidence proving o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government: Did you count whether Craig has lied about being Satoshi more times than o_e_l_e_o lied about Wasabi users being spied on?

What a miserable person.  Unbelievably!  If this is how the folks behind Wasabi Wallet act, I don't think I'd feel real confident using their product.  Whether this guy actually works for em or is just some shill it don't really matter - he basically showed that they got some issues with how they treat people.  I ain't tryin' to be mean, but his behavior here was definitely outta line and  the guys gotta get it together.

What does this complaint have to do with the evidence proving o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government?  You can always have confidence when using Wasabi because every line of code is open source.

Have some respect, that person may literally lose his life and here you are whining about what he said in the past. No one cares about your little bitcoin project. You are retarded

I may lose my life too, so why aren't you holding o_e_l_e_o accountable for spreading lies about flaws in untraceable privacy software?  

100% Pathetic, and recipe how to ruin reputation in forum.

Thanks for calling o_e_l_e_o out for the pathetic way he ruined his reputation.  Like satoshi said, "the main benefits are lost if a trusted third party is still required to prevent double-spending", but o_e_l_e_o chose to lie about noncustodial open source projects to get people to trust third parties.

You don't have to wish someone else died because dead doesn't best suit for anyone out there but we must know that it's something inevitable and any one earth I mean everyone must surely face it, so don't wish else did or would you afford to die for anyone out there? Of curse No because I know life is sweet and Good every one out there would love to enjoy more good things about life instead of to leave the world just like that.

No one ever wished someone else died.  This thread is about o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

If you think that leo attacks you in your previous comments that doesn't mean that he is a mortal or not but you should know that he is passing good information because I know that leo is a very learned user and not just that, he is also reputable forum user who they so much respected over here.

o_e_l_e_o is not "learned" at all, you can see how he was spreading lies about address reuse being a "flaw" in coinjoins, which directly contradicts gmaxwell's and Peter Todd's reasoned explanations:

In practice I expect most users only want to prevent nosy friends (and thieves) from prying into their financial lives, and to recover some of the privacy they lost due to bad practices like address reuse.

That's not Wasabi fucking up, that's Wasabi users fucking up.  Wasabi, they fundamentally are not in a position where they can go prevent people from installing the same seed on multiple wallets at once and using it on multiple wallets at once.  It's not reasonable for them to go prevent that.  Also, when you talk about address reuse, for instance, if I'm a Samourai user and I reuse an address that's an input to a coinjoin, well I mean that's just something you can expect to support.  There is no way for a coinjoin implementation to reasonably prevent that.  And there's also good use cases for it, maybe I want to have a public donation address, but then I want to preserve the privacy of the coins that get sent to that donation address and where they go.  That's an obvious thing I can go do.  Similarly, on the other side of this, when I could have a Wasabi Wallet and I could use that wallet to make donations to a singular donation address.  Again, that's coins taken from the coinjoin and going to the same place. In both cases, addresses are being reused.  It doesn't matter how many steps you add before and after that process, the fact is addresses are being reused either before or after the coinjoin for completely reasonable reasons.  It's just not in their position to try to prevent that, there's no reason they should.

When o_e_l_e_o was challenged on his honesty by being showed address reuse that was a result of actual bugs in a project he previously recommended, he simply pretends the problem was "already fixed" instead of admitting address reuse is not a flaw in coinjoins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62090164#msg62090164

Then he claims he will stop recommending that project if further address reuse bugs were discovered.  Then I discovered another address reuse bug in his project: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62930328#msg62930328

You have to know how to be a gentleman in situations like this, in my language we say that you have to be a gentleman in victory and in defeat and Kruw has not been one.

Fuck being a "gentleman", I'm a Bitcoiner.  Bitcoiners tell the truth.  And the truth is, o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

Sorry for using some foul language, Mr. Kruw, but you're such a dick. A miserable one!
Do you think you are a god or something like that?

The proof presented is against o_e_l_e_o, why are you flaming me?  Did you mean "Sorry for using some foul language, Mr. o_e_l_e_o, but you're such a dick!  A miserable one!  Do you think you are a god or something like that?"

Am I in the wrong campaign?

If you are in the Wasabi signature campaign and you support scamming people out of their Bitcoins with "mixing sites", then yes, you are in the wrong campaign since Wasabi is non custodial, zero knowledge software.

I felt this was a nasty piece too over something so...petty.
 If it bugs you that much why not PM?
Do you care about bitcointalk trust system so much you'd talk bad about em to em on their deathbed?
At this point community loses it purpose for you and you should step out for a bit.
  Even if he removes it, we will remember you said that.

That's the point, I want everyone to remember the proof that o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

Why are you addressing your own wallet as "Bitcoin"?

o_e_l_e_o wasn't just lying about Wasabi Wallet, he attacked multiple other open source projects (BTCPay Server and Trezor) with false accusations.

I have followed the debate very closely, and have read most of your posts and Leo's, he never criticized Bitcoin or Coinjoin privacy, and he explicitly criticized your wallet's address reuse and its association with chain analysis, since you can't be a gentleman and show sympathy to someone who is very sick, the least you could do is not accuse them of something they never did.

Did you hear gmaxwell's explanation about address reuse?

In practice I expect most users only want to prevent nosy friends (and thieves) from prying into their financial lives, and to recover some of the privacy they lost due to bad practices like address reuse.

Did you hear Peter Todd's explanation about address reuse?

That's not Wasabi fucking up, that's Wasabi users fucking up.  Wasabi, they fundamentally are not in a position where they can go prevent people from installing the same seed on multiple wallets at once and using it on multiple wallets at once.  It's not reasonable for them to go prevent that.  Also, when you talk about address reuse, for instance, if I'm a Samourai user and I reuse an address that's an input to a coinjoin, well I mean that's just something you can expect to support.  There is no way for a coinjoin implementation to reasonably prevent that.  And there's also good use cases for it, maybe I want to have a public donation address, but then I want to preserve the privacy of the coins that get sent to that donation address and where they go.  That's an obvious thing I can go do.  Similarly, on the other side of this, when I could have a Wasabi Wallet and I could use that wallet to make donations to a singular donation address.  Again, that's coins taken from the coinjoin and going to the same place. In both cases, addresses are being reused.  It doesn't matter how many steps you add before and after that process, the fact is addresses are being reused either before or after the coinjoin for completely reasonable reasons.  It's just not in their position to try to prevent that, there's no reason they should.

Am I in the wrong campaign?

Wasabi is operated by a team which is caught lying frequently, supporting censorship, providing questionable levels of privacy, doxxing their competitors, and as Leo would put it, directly funding the enemy.

BlackHatCoiner, why are you spreading the same lies that o_e_l_e_o is being exposed for in this very thread?  

So you must be immortal and above him and everyone else in this forum, you are above us all as übermensch  
Nobody asked you for your opinion about his health condition, but so much negativity is coming from you that I would never use anything you are shilling.
Time for you to go and visit a shrink, I wish you speedy recovery.

My comments aren't about o_e_l_e_o's health condition, I'm exposing how o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

We are called humans because we have human nature. It's not easy to be in Leo's position, and one day we will also be in his position. Remember friends, we don't live forever. There is a lot of hatred in this world, but in certain conditions we need to prioritize humanity over ego and hatred.

Maybe one day I will make the same thread as Leo, and I'm sure I will miss you all, miss the friendship and enmity that exists here.

Everyone is in o_e_l_e_o's position since no one live forever, that doesn't excuse him attacking innocent open source non custodial privacy projects by accusing them of having fake flaws, does it?

I've seen similarly abhorrent behavior from Samourai devs and their community. If somebody associated with Wasabi had suffered a misfortune I guarantee the trolling would be 10x worse.

The Samourai developers are truly pieces of shit.  They flaunted a picture of the pioneer of JoinMarket on his sickbed on Twitter and mocked him - https://twitter.com/SamouraiDev/status/1733848330772283424

When I felt he was misinformed I did my best to provide a counterargument and moved on. Getting personal and mudslinging when someone is trying to respectfully depart from this forum only undermines one's position.

There's absolutely no mudslinging here.  I'm providing the facts and the timeline that exposes o_e_l_e_o once and for all.

You don't need to be excited for someone illness, now you wanna attack him back because of his condition or you are mocking him because what he put in writing concerning his life,  buddy you don't have to do that because life is like a spinning table and also inevitable, when you mock someone one God will put you in shoe of that person.

I'm not attacking o_e_l_e_o because of his condition, I'm exposing how o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

Bro, you are entitled to all your opinions, but at times, we should be more human and be insensitive.

What I see you doing here is so insensitive. Fine, you and the guy could have had one or two issues together, but it is just a forum where we share opinions, and nothing more. We could be trolled at times or even get so angry but it shouldn't be unto death. This person is dying and what you could do is to be engaging in all sorts like this? It is certainly not fair.

The best you could have done is to just ignore the thread if you still hold a grudge against him. Let's be human for once.

This isn't a matter of "one or two issues" or "opinions":  Did you know o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government?

Shhhhh, its Samourai devs who are supposed to be morally repugnant.  

Did you see the Samourai devs mocking the innocent once they become ill?  https://twitter.com/SamouraiDev/status/1733848330772283424

I would never mock the innocent.  I only expose the guilty.

If this guy is a Dev and this is his moral then I don't think there is a reason to Trust Wasabi wallet.

You don't have to trust Wasabi, it's trustless open source software.  Regardless, I'm not a dev anyways.

I wonder what is the thought of the people involved in the signature campaign including the manager involved in it. On the other hand, there were some other issues related to Wasabi wallet in the past. The forum does not moderate advertising except mixers in the recent days but I think as the member of the community we really need to avoid such projects that has people with low moral.

What are the "other issues related to Wasabi Wallet in the past"?

Someday something may go wrong and they will wish you to die. They may even expose your coin and report it to the agencies who are looking for your information.

No one can "expose your coin and report it to the agencies" when you use Wasabi, it's anonymous software.

I saw that you left a feedback in OP's profile and the feedback read thus; Shameful behavior rejoicing in the upcoming death of one of the best members of the forum, the champion of earned merit o_e_l_e_o
I was shocked at the write up and as well as o_e_l_e_o farewell thread. How are you very sure that o_e_l_e_o will die? Common! This guy could survive this even against his believe. Let's be optimistic and expect the best.

Why would anyone call o_e_l_e_o "one of the best members of the forum" since he was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government?

After seeing what has happened here, I have just communicated to the manager icopress that I will not continue in the Wasabi campaign because it goes against my moral principles. I will simply wait until the end of the week tomorrow and I will remove my signature.

I am not going to hold anything against those who will remain in the campaign or those who still have dealings with him but I simply can't continue.

Can you explain to me what moral principles prevent you from supporting non custodial anonymous money?

I'm starting to think Kruw hated wasabi more than anyone here, there is no way someone could have done a better attack on their reputation than this one, I'm seeing a thing that is supposed to be a human lifeform dancing on somebody's grave with a sign "Shoot me I'm a moron" in his hand!

What about o_e_l_e_o's fake attacks on Wasabi's reputation by lying to people about being spied on?

I've seen some of your posts and was kind of surprised by the way you see the things.

But this topic shows clearly, if it was still needed, the true you.
Sadly.

What posts are you talking about what what are you surprised by?

I can not verify the source but so far my understanding, he is one of the Dev. A complete piece of junk.

Why are you looking for proof that I'm a dev when I'm not?... You should be looking at the proof that o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

From afar, and having read many of your posts o_e_l_e_o, I'm compelled to confess that you made a tremendous impact on this forum. I feel saddened by this health issue of yours. I hope a miracle happens that turns things around for you.

The impact o_e_l_e_o made caused users to lose their Bitcoins and have their data turned over to the government.  His deliberate miseducation on Bitcoin privacy topics poisoned this entire community.

For the sake of the discussion, I don't believe Samourai devs are saint either. I mean, they are orders of magnitude more trustworthy than Wasabi, and I'm a whirlpool user myself, but we frequently notice Samourai vs. Wasabi disputes which ruin the reputation of both.

You told everyone not to use Wasabi because people reuse addresses, why do you use Whirlpool if they reuse addresses?

Deliberately disregarding every argument against Wasabi, resorting to whataboutism, and repeatedly using the same soundbites, accusing signature campaign participants of stealing users' coins without providing any evidence, believing that blacklisting in Bitcoin is sometimes necessary-- overall, his ethics seem to be a perplexing area.

The evidence is your literal confession, you literal scammer:

I really can't believe this is an exit scam. The service seemed legitimate.

I'm really pissed off, and not because I lost money; fortunately, I had grasped that "don't leave coins to third parties" cliché. I'm so pissed off because I've been advertising and recommending this shit for months, in such a way that I'm practically part of this scam. And it's just feels awful.

It makes you question the integrity of the service you're currently carrying in your signature.

Regardless of how we might feel about a person, their character, morals, religion, or whatever we should still be able to show a person compassion and be empathetic to their situation.

Every single 1 of us is going to face health issues in life. You may or may not still be an active user on this forum. You may or may not be a likeable member.

If you post about a health situation you are facing, do you want people to ridicule you or post bad things for their own agenda? It's pretty shameful behavior.

That's my point.  If everyone is going to die, why are you praising someone who was exposed for knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government?

You are Piece of excrement.

Why do you think I'm a "Piece of excrement" for trying to save people from o_e_l_e_o scamming them out of their Bitcoins and financial data using custodians?

I can't believe reading what's being said by a human to human. If ppl have different opinions they shouldn't let their humanity die when they discover bad news. When I've been active in my EPS or bitcoin topics Leo's posted to helped. He's helped ppl for a long time so his forum status can't be changed but Kruw won't be considered a good person. He won't leave the forum it doesn't matter because his rep's going to be blacklisted look his trust's in free fall.

You misunderstand - o_e_l_e_o doesn't have a "different opinion", he was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

A massive, steaming pile of it on a hot summer day, surrounded by flies.

Disgusting behaviour by the OP, he should he ashamed of himself.

What's disgusting about trying to save people from o_e_l_e_o scamming them out of their Bitcoins and financial data using custodians?  Why should I be ashamed for getting people to use Bitcoin non custodially and anonymously?

Two things got me upset about this thread, the first is that OP created this just to draw the curtain on the reputation of someone who doesn't like his own idea or concept, I can't believe that what has been discussed and become past are still still resurrecting in your mind with Leo to the extent that you're taking it personal, if I don't like the concept with wasabi doesn't mean we should take that mentality to affect our human relations.

Not to the point of someone dieing and you're not still concerned about anything than to keep ressurecting dead discussions about wasabi, how is discussion on Bitcointalk has much to do about our relationship with others and personal life, the talk in Bitcointalk gives everyone right to talk his own, even if we are not ok bu it, if you can be this carlos in proxy, I wonder how terrible you will be in real life.

The idea and concept of having noncustodial anonymous money is the only thing stopping the world from becoming a dystopia.  It's always worth it to resurrect discussions to ensure people are educated about the threat of trusted third parties.

What do we care about you because you are nothing more than a human being who never used the left brain or the right brain while being human.
If you have used the two functions of the left brain and the right brain, then you will not have thoughts like that.

Even though it's useless to respond to your rotten thoughts towards someone who has taught many users who have just joined the forum through his thoughts in every post, one of them is me who learned a lot from him.

o_e_l_e_o miseducated Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

I’ve been going over every line in your OP, quote and all but yet, I still can’t wrap my head at the character you seem to portray here. I remain in some disbelief as to how inhuman you chose to portray yourself over the hurt to a family, forum and people in the life of one who would be seen for an icon/idol to many over some claims. Like, this unique personality’s demise doesn’t mean nothing to you… am disgusted and you don’t act like one that should belong with any community.

I've updated the OP with multiple years of proof of o_e_l_e_o's deceptive behavior.

The Op is just being a sadist. Harboring a grudge on someone who won't know you exist soon enough is the highest form of stupidity for me. So, what? Because o_e_l_e_o called you out on your shit coin and you decided that the best way to avenge is to care less about his death or be happy about it? Dude if I were you, I'd go do something productive with my life. Seems you are lacking inspo and you feel taking a pass at him will get you some form of satisfaction, eh?.

o_e_l_e_o didn't "call out a shit coin", he fabricated lies about non custodial open source Bitcoin projects that provide complete privacy for your transactions without trusting any third parties.

You even opening a thread about it just shows how low of a thinker you are. I hope you're happy you're getting replies to this sick thread.

I didn't open the thread, staff did.

OP, you shouldn't forget that no one is immortal, and we are going to die soon, and no one will live here forever. Nobody knows who is going to die next, and stop acting like you are in the better position to judge others, because your own judgment awaits you someday. Leo has done more good to the forum than you. You don't need to be happy over someone's departure from the world, this is how people will also be happy when you die.

I can't wait for my posts to be scoured and judged because I live my life honestly.

OP has made his own mistakes and harmed himself which makes him bad on this forum because of his stupidity who has no conscience forgiving people who are no longer there. And it's a shame, because most people will take good care of their profile so they don't want their reputation to be tarnished with red ink, no matter how small, it will have fatal consequences if they don't take care of it.

What mistakes have I made?  Provide a direct quote, and I'll correct it.

The quality of a person's life lies when we have forgiven people who have hurt us or whatever it is with sincerity so that that person lives or dies in a calm and peaceful state, and I really don't like OP's attitude because it only shows that the quality is very low, even lower than land.

Uhh, no.  Victims forgive people who hurt others, heroes defeat people who hurt others.  Heroes are higher quality than victims, that's why I've chosen to be a hero and expose o_e_l_e_o's years of attacking open source non custodial Bitcoin privacy projects.

[Poker Player]

Blah, blah, blah.

What a son of a bitch, you're lucky to be behind a keyboard who knows where otherwise you wouldn't be so cocky. I put you on ignore which is the best thing to do with a fucking retard like you.

[nutildah]

With each new post here you just solidify the general perception that you are a despicable human being.

If you cared at all about the reputation of Wasabi, you'd leave and never look back.

Same goes for you TBH, minus the Wasabi part.

[Kruw]

What a son of a bitch, you're lucky to be behind a keyboard who knows where otherwise you wouldn't be so cocky. I put you on ignore which is the best thing to do with a fucking retard like you.

With each new post here you just solidify the general perception that you are a despicable human being.

Why didn't you make any attempt whatsoever to address the proof I provided against o_e_l_e_o?  It seems like you are just here to talk shit instead.

[FatFork]

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Fuck being a "gentleman", I'm a Bitcoiner.  Bitcoiners tell the truth.

You can be both. But you don't have to be a "gentleman", just be a human being and show some empathy. That's usually enough.

[Vod]

What mistakes have I made?  Provide a direct quote, and I'll correct it.

Fuck being a "gentleman", I'm a Bitcoiner.  Bitcoiners tell the truth.  And the truth is, o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government.

Can we start with a simple one?  Do you have proof that o_e_l_e_o knew they were lies?
Example:  Do you have some PMs or posts where he discusses these crimes with others?
You would have a case if o_e_l_e_o was knowingly spreading lies for financial gain.  You should prove that.

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Man, can you stop what you're doing? You are arguing with a man who will probably never come here again, and in a very bad way. Have at least a little self-respect. If you look back a little, no one is replying to what you write anymore, but about the way you write, isn't that a clear signal that you have devalued your own opinion.
With these kinds of performances, you are doing enormous damage to Wasabi, and if you care at least a little about the status of the brand, you will pull some brakes and start behaving at least maturely.

I'm not looking for any kind of reply to this, I hope you'll refrain and even if you lock this topic it would be ideal.

[Kruw]

You can be both. But you don't have to be a "gentleman", just be a human being and show some empathy. That's usually enough.

Was o_e_l_e_o "being a human being" and "showing some empathy" when he was lying about vulnerabilities in open source Bitcoin privacy projects?

Can we start with a simple one?  Do you have proof that o_e_l_e_o knew they were lies?

Yes.  Originally, o_e_l_e_o was fully aware that coinjoin coordinators can't affect your privacy, that proof is presented at the very top of the OP:

TIMELINE

March 14 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits coordinator policy doesn’t affect your inputs, admits to BlackHatCoiner that switching coordinators solves the censorship problem, and admits to BlackHatCoiner that his motivation is simply to fight against Wasabi anyways:

Even if this change from Wasabi won't affect any of your inputs, they are no longer an entity which I can trust to fight for my privacy.

Would it be possible for some to start running coordinators?

Absolutely. The coordinator code is open source, so anyone can download it and spin up their own instance. That would solve the immediate problem if everyone switched to a different coordinator, but it doesn't stop these other coordinators being pressured in to implementing the same restrictions and it doesn't change the fact that Wasabi did this in the first place instead of fighting against it.

March 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits that the data feed is a 1 way street from a blockchain analysis company to the coordinator, and that no data is provided to blockchain analysis:

In fact, they need to cooperate with blockchain analysis to obtain information about "taint" UTXOs.

Well, they only need to cooperate in this sense to have the blockchain analysis entity feed them data about which UTXO's to block. But as I said, if they cooperate like this then it won't be long before that cooperation becomes a two way street, with them feeding data back to the blockchain analysis entity.

Man, can you stop what you're doing? You are arguing with a man who will probably never come here again, and in a very bad way.

I'm not "arguing" with o_e_l_e_o, I'm providing the proof against him to the community.

Have at least a little self-respect. If you look back a little, no one is replicating what you write anymore, but about the way you write, isn't that a clear signal that you have devalued your own opinion.

Exactly, these users above have resorted to simply talking shit because when they see the conclusive proof against o_e_l_e_o, there's no possible defense for his lies.  Vod is the first and only person in this ENTIRE THREAD to address how o_e_l_e_o acted, everyone else just broke down emotionally because apparently they just discovered everyone is a mortal.

[Vod]

Can we start with a simple one?  Do you have proof that o_e_l_e_o knew they were lies?

Yes.  Originally, o_e_l_e_o was fully aware that coinjoin coordinators can't affect your privacy, that proof is presented at the very top of the OP:

So what is the lie o_e_l_e_o knew was being told?   Where do the coinjoin coordinators claim they can affect privacy?

[Kruw]

So what is the lie o_e_l_e_o knew was being told?

The lies begin immediately after that, where he starts going around every thread claiming that Wasabi coordinators can spy on you (when, as proved in the previous post, he knows that Wasabi coordinators can't affect your inputs or collect your data):

April 24 2022 - o_e_l_e_o highly recommends the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned over their data to the government and then lies about spying on Wasabi users being possible:

ChipMixer easily has the best and longest standing reputation among all bitcoin mixers.

CoinJoin service: Wasabi / Samourai / JoinMarket

Wasabi now spy on their users and censor transactions, so I would no longer recommend them.

April 25 2022 - To further fool this user to lose their funds and data, o_e_l_e_o blatantly lied about the verifiable open source software by falsely claiming that every user and every UTXO stored on a Wasabi wallet will be monitored and surveilled, and that this survelliance applies specifically to Wasabi:

About 6 weeks ago, Wasabi announced on twitter that zkSNACKs, the entity which runs the coordinator for the all the coinjoin transaction which take place through Wasabi wallet, would start censoring some inputs and refusing to allow them to partake in coinjoins. Wasabi then explained on Telegram that they would be hiring a blockchain analysis company, which would monitor and surveil every user of Wasabi and ever UTXO stored on a Wasabi wallet and decide which ones were and were not allowed to partake in coinjoins. They have since revealed that they did this voluntarily to protect their own operations and therefore their own profits, and not because they were forced to because of any government, law, or regulation.

Wasabi is now pro-censorship and anti-privacy. They should be avoided, unless you like seeing your coinjoin fees go straight to a blockchain analysis company which is being paid to spy on you and you specifically.

May 2 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely accuses coordinators of being able to collect data:

Blockchain analysis is ultimately a process of deduction and induction.

A process which becomes much easier when the centralized coordinator is actively working with blockchain analysis companies and handing over all the data they collect.

May 12 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely claims that users are required to trust open source software:

No idea, and given how shady Wasabi have been about this whole thing, don't expect them to be honest and tell us. Any "privacy" firm coordinating with blockchain analysis firms is not to be trusted though, and especially not one which is actively using your coinjoin fees to pay blockchain analysis firms.

June 12 2022 - NotATether emphasizes that the Wasabi Wallet software is “clean and uncompromised” in a thread posted about running the open source coordinator software:

The situation map is currently thus:

- The Wasabi wallet itself is still clean and uncompromised.
- But the default CoinJoin server used by Wasabi wallet (zksnacks) is now blacklisting "tainted" coins, an action which is intolerable to the community.
- Ignore the signature campaign for now, it is irrelevant to remedying the situation.


This thread exists to gather open source software on Github/Gitlab/etc. which allows the running of a Wasabi-compatible CJ mixing server. Software that cannot be plugged in to Wasabi should not be listed here. Since this battle is being fought against their main CJ server, and not analysis companies/exchanges/governments, we still have a chance for winning this, even if we are 3 months behind schedule (the announcment for the blacklisting was made last march).

Discussion on how to make such CJ software work for Wasabi (as well as the other way around) is also welcomed. Special attention should be given to getting these to run on low-powered Linux servers (think 8GB of memory or less).

June 12 2022 - o_e_l_e_o emphasizes not to use open privacy software no matter who coordinates the transactions because his feelings are hurt:

I also wouldn't recommend using Wasabi at all, even with a non censoring coordinator. The Wasabi devs have revealed very clearly where their priorities lie: Those priorities are not with their users or protecting privacy, but solely with making profits. Obviously Wasabi is open source, but I'm still not going to use a wallet which is run by a team who are willing to voluntarily sell out their users for profits.

June 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o falsely accuses Wasabi of sacrificing user privacy:

It's not like Wasabi where they are sacrificing the privacy of the average user to cater to the bigger players.

August 13 2022 – o_e_l_e_o discourages tens of thousands of people from using open source Bitcoin privacy tools by lying and saying Wasabi compromises privacy:

Such an approach would require encouraging tens of thousands of people to download and use Wasabi and compromise their own privacy in doing so. Not a great approach.

November 5 2022 – Wasabi enables coinjoining, generates a new address for each payment, and prevents spying using block filters. Yet o_e_l_e_o is lying to encourage people to offboard software that preserves privacy and leak their addresses to the Samourai coinjoin coordinator instead:

One of reason Wasabi Wallet 1.0 become popular is due to user-friendliness while preserving few advance feature (address/UTXO selection).

There are plenty of other user friendly non full node wallets with such features. Granted, most don't provide coinjoins, but when you are also being spied on, censored, and having your addresses reused, then some might say a wallet without any of those features is better than Wasabi.

It could be replacement of JoinMarket-Qt which need full node since Wasabi Wallet 1.0 is one of very few SPV desktop wallet with strong privacy feature (Tor by default and BIP 157 implementation).

If you don't want to run a full node then I would suggest Sparrow wallet as the next best option to access coinjoins.

Novermber 6 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies about being able to spy on Wasabi users and tells everyone to send their coins to the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned their data over to the government:

And if you depend on third parties, then you are subjected to their rules, spying, and censorship, as we have seen in the case of Wasabi.

By using Sparrow you are still depending on third parties, but at least those third parties aren't in cahoots with blockchain analysis companies. But if that is still too complex for the average user to use without compromising their privacy in some manner, then you can just stick to ChipMixer.

February 28 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about Wasabi feeding details to a blockchain analysis firm to avoid the truth that you can change coordinators:

People who are using Wasabi aren't generally going to bother changing coordinator, because anyone who actually cares about privacy and not having their details fed directly to a blockchain analysis firm isn't using Wasabi in the first place.

March 8 2023 – o_e_l_e_o lies about BTCPay Server, claiming that coordinators can spy on them and claiming that they are “risking address reuse”

It is a mistake for BTCPay to implement this. Even if someone manages to get enough volume on a coordinator which doesn't spy on users and directly fund blockchain analysis, then they are still risking address reuse and therefore complete failure of what they are trying to achieve by coinjoining in the first place.

April 15 2023 – o_e_l_e_o falsely claims that Trezor allows blockchain analysis to monitor outputs in their hardware wallet

Cool, so I can get blockchain analysis entities to specifically monitor the outputs in my hardware wallet now. Just what I've always wanted!

April 28 2023 – o_e_l_e_o tries to sabotage a user’s privacy by convincing them not to use the coinjoin feature in Trezor, which protects your xpub and IP address from being shared, and protects your on chain data from being tracked:

I regret ever suggesting that anyone should buy a Trezor, and I will never do so again. They have shown themselves to be anti-privacy and anti-fungibility, and are therefore not just selling out their users but are actively working against bitcoin itself, in order to line their own pockets.

As he says, however, if you already have a Trezor device (and no other hardware wallet you can swap to or can afford), you are probably safe to keep using it provided you don't go anywhere near the coinjoin feature. I also don't have a single shred of trust left for Trezor, though, so I would make sure you are using it through something like Electrum or Sparrow pointed at your own node and absolutely not relying on Trezor's servers. And when it comes to the time to upgrade or replace your hardware wallet, obviously do not buy another Trezor.

August 21 2023: BlackHatCoiner confirms that what a coordinator does with their money isn’t important for the coinjoin user:

I would also say "Service uses the fee you pay to hire a blockchain analysis company to spy on your inputs" is a pretty big con of Wasabi which you've missed.

What the default coordinator does with the money it makes isn't important for the coinjoin user, but for the integrity of their business.

Sure, but it is an objective fact that Wasabi use the fees you pay them to pay blockchain analysis companies for information about your UTXOs. And I would argue that is incredibly important for the coinjoin user.

What's important here is to break down what's user's best courses to accomplish mixing. Even if funding blockchain surveillance is completely contradictory to being proclaimed a pro-privacy service, that doesn't change their coinjoin process. Just as if Samurai announced that they're funding the Ukrainian war, it wouldn't change the effectiveness of the coinjoin. It'd ruin their reputation, and people would stop using it; not because of effectiveness, but ethical concerns.

You can see in these quotes how he ushered multiple people into leaking their data and losing their coins to the government.  And o_e_l_e_o didn't even hesitate to lie about a legitimate privacy tool that could not scam him even though the OP of the thread specifically requested a legit service because he did not want to get scammed again:

Can you anyone recommend a Bitcoin mixing service that is legit, please? It seems there are a lot of scamming bastards around that purport to provide this service (I just had the misfortune of dealing with one).

Sincere thanks in advance.

[mrust_mobile]

Kruw, You could have continued posting your arguments in the wasabi topic but instead you came here… You could be right about wasabi, or maybe leo was right. I don’t really care because I am not interested in using that wallet anyway and haven’t read a single post in that thread. Why did you carry that debate to this topic? If people are interested in that discussion, they can go there see it themselves. The guy is dying, at this point do you think he cares what you think at all? I didn’t agree with him on many occasions too. (In other topics) That doesn’t mean I should be a dick like you.

[Kruw]

Kruw, You could have continued posting your arguments in the wasabi topic but instead you came here… You could be right about wasabi, or maybe leo was right. I don’t really care because I am not interested in using that wallet anyway and haven’t read a single post in that thread. Why did you carry that debate to this topic? If people are interested in that discussion, they can go there see it themselves. The guy is dying, at this point do you think he cares what you think at all?

This isn't a "debate", it's proof that he's lying.  o_e_l_e_o has known the entire time that the privacy of the inputs in your wallet is not affected by coordinator policy, and that your data is not vulnerable to collection:

TIMELINE

March 14 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits coordinator policy doesn’t affect your inputs, admits to BlackHatCoiner that switching coordinators solves the censorship problem, and admits to BlackHatCoiner that his motivation is simply to fight against Wasabi anyways:

Even if this change from Wasabi won't affect any of your inputs, they are no longer an entity which I can trust to fight for my privacy.

Would it be possible for some to start running coordinators?

Absolutely. The coordinator code is open source, so anyone can download it and spin up their own instance. That would solve the immediate problem if everyone switched to a different coordinator, but it doesn't stop these other coordinators being pressured in to implementing the same restrictions and it doesn't change the fact that Wasabi did this in the first place instead of fighting against it.

March 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits that the data feed is a 1 way street from a blockchain analysis company to the coordinator, and that no data is provided to blockchain analysis:

In fact, they need to cooperate with blockchain analysis to obtain information about "taint" UTXOs.

Well, they only need to cooperate in this sense to have the blockchain analysis entity feed them data about which UTXO's to block. But as I said, if they cooperate like this then it won't be long before that cooperation becomes a two way street, with them feeding data back to the blockchain analysis entity.

[Stalker22]

Vod is the first and only person in this ENTIRE THREAD to address how o_e_l_e_o acted, everyone else just broke down emotionally because apparently just discovered everyone is a mortal.

You are a fucking idiot, simple as that. Fortunately, the community sees through your flawed judgment.

People have the right to have a different opinions.  And thats okay - we all have our own views.  Thats why there are platforms for discussion, such as this one.  But thats no reason to be a dick and wish death or harm on someone.  Thats the whole point here and you are the only one who doesnt see it!  There is no point in arguing with you about anything after this. 

[Kruw]

People have the right to have a different opinions.  And thats okay - we all have our own views.

You are confusing an "opinion" with "knowingly lying about innocent privacy projects to stop people from using them".  o_e_l_e_o was harming the innocent on this forum for years, and I've provided proof of it.

But thats no reason to be a dick and wish death or harm on someone.

I didn't "wish death or harm on someone".  I posted the proof that exposes o_e_l_e_o was tricking Bitcointalk users into leaking their data and losing their coins to the government.

[Vod]

Vod is the first and only person in this ENTIRE THREAD to address how o_e_l_e_o acted, everyone else just broke down emotionally because apparently just discovered everyone is a mortal.

I was trying to help you, and I came back to read this?

I did not address how anyone acted; I tried to help you express any actual concerns you had.   Not only did you mislabel my actions, but then you tried to use them as your evidence/"proof".

   

[Kruw]

I was trying to help you, and I came back to read this?

I did not address how anyone acted; I tried to help you express any actual concerns you had.   Not only did you mislabel my actions, but then you tried to use them as your evidence/"proof".

   

I didn't say you condemned o_e_l_e_o, I merely said "you addressed how he acted".  I am not pretending you validated my claims, I'm merely pointing out you are the first person to even approach the subject of o_e_l_e_o's conduct on this forum.  The proof I've provided is o_e_l_e_o's own words, not yours.

[Vod]

I didn't say you condemned o_e_l_e_o, I merely said "you addressed how he acted".  I am not pretending you validated my claims, I'm merely pointing out you are the first person to even approach the subject of o_e_l_e_o's conduct on this forum.  The proof I've provided is o_e_l_e_o's own words, not yours.

I did not address how he acted.   I did not mention anything about his conduct.  You have not provided any proof.

[mrust_mobile]

Let’s say for a moment, Leo was wrong, he deliberately bad mouthed Wasabi, he for some reason didn’t like the software, he misguided people… what are you trying to achieve here that you couldn’t in the wasabi thread?

Will you feel better if we agree with you?

[Kruw]

I did not address how he acted.   I did not mention anything about his conduct.  You have not provided any proof.

Here's where you addressed how o_e_l_e_o acted:

Do you have proof that o_e_l_e_o knew they were lies?

So what is the lie o_e_l_e_o knew was being told?

Let’s say for a moment, Leo was wrong, he deliberately bad mouthed Wasabi, he for some reason didn’t like the software, he misguided people… what are you trying to achieve here that you couldn’t in the wasabi thread?
Will you feel better if we agree with you?

I mean to establish how o_e_l_e_o deceived Bitcointalk users into leaking their data and losing their coins to the government.  In order to create these victims, he resorted to knowingly spreading lies about legitimate heroes in order to elevate the reputation of the custodians he was promoting.

Despite the huge threat of government punishment, these heroes develop privacy software.  Despite the lack of incentives, these heroes make their work open source to copy.  Despite these heroes standing in the way of the threat of a surveillance dystopia where you live a life of complete obedience, o_e_l_e_o fabricated lies and backstabbed these heroes.  No one has attempted to cause more damage to a free future than o_e_l_e_o.

[OgNasty]

Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

I enjoyed reading the reactions to this quote. It’s actually pretty thought provoking and interesting to me that people allow their bias to cloud their judgement to the point it makes them see a lack of mourning as celebration.

[suchmoon]

Time to let it go.

Someone dying seems like a good time to let go of your grudges against that person. Try that.

Why didn't you make any attempt whatsoever to address the proof I provided against o_e_l_e_o?  It seems like you are just here to talk shit instead.

Except you didn't provide proof, merely a collection of cherrypicked BS, fallacies, and offended fee-fees. It's a waste of time to argue with people who are as detached from reality as you are, particularly when you're doing that just to stir up more shit against a person who you know can't speak for themselves anymore. Way to win an argument, tough internet guy.

I enjoyed reading the reactions to this quote. It’s actually pretty thought provoking and interesting to me that people allow their bias to cloud their judgement to the point it makes them see a lack of mourning as celebration.

There is a difference between lack of mourning (no one forced Kruw or Timelord or any of the other shitheads to mourn) and actively attacking a dying person. I wish that neither yourself nor your loved ones get to experience the latter.

[Hhampuz]

Not everyone's grave is worth crying over.

I enjoyed reading the reactions to this quote. It’s actually pretty thought provoking and interesting to me that people allow their bias to cloud their judgement to the point it makes them see a lack of mourning as celebration.

"Good Riddance" is most definitely a celebration. Especially since it was a thread made by leo himself basically saying goodbye and explaining the situation. There is no world in which behaving like that can be considered acceptable, especially if the only issue at hand is a difference of opinion.

[Kruw]

Except you didn't provide proof, merely a collection of cherrypicked BS, fallacies, and offended fee-fees. It's a waste of time to argue with people who are as detached from reality as you are, particularly when you're doing that just to stir up more shit against a person who you know can't speak for themselves anymore. Way to win an argument, tough internet guy.

What do you mean I "didn't provide proof"?  I provided a long list of direct quotes from o_e_l_e_o himself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5482198.msg63517432#msg63517432

There is a difference between lack of mourning (no one forced Kruw or Timelord or any of the other shitheads to mourn) and actively attacking a dying person. I wish that neither yourself nor your loved ones get to experience the latter.

Everyone who builds open source non custodial privacy projects is also a dying person, no one forced o_e_l_e_o to attack them either, did they?

"Good Riddance" is most definitely a celebration. Especially since it was a thread made by leo himself basically saying goodbye and explaining the situation. There is no world in which behaving like that can be considered acceptable, especially if the only issue at hand is a difference of opinion.

If o_e_l_e_o said he was going to go offline forever because he was going to become a Buddhist monk or Amish farmer in his "Farewell" thread, my "Good Riddance" response would be the same:  I care about the truth.  Liars being mortal does not stop the truth.

[Hhampuz]

If o_e_l_e_o said he was going to become a Buddhist monk or Amish farmer and go offline forever in his "Farewell" thread, my response would be the same:  I care about the truth.  Liars being mortal does not stop the truth.

So you are basically saying you have no basic human traits and operate under the same guise as a weak AI or pre-programmed chatbot? Noted. Here's a truth for you, which you should be able to accept; You're an asshole.

[Kruw]

So you are basically saying you have no basic human traits and operate under the same guise as a weak AI or pre-programmed chatbot? Noted. Here's a truth for you, which you should be able to accept; You're an asshole.

Actually, o_e_l_e_o is an asshole.  Do you think o_e_l_e_o stopped to consider the mortality and illnesses of these heroes?

Despite the huge threat of government punishment, these heroes develop privacy software.  Despite the lack of incentives, these heroes make their work open source to copy.  Despite these heroes standing in the way of the threat of a surveillance dystopia where you live a life of complete obedience, o_e_l_e_o fabricated lies and backstabbed these heroes.  No one has attempted to cause more damage to a free future than o_e_l_e_o.

Do you think o_e_l_e_o stopped to consider the mortality and illnesses of his victims?

Can you anyone recommend a Bitcoin mixing service that is legit, please? It seems there are a lot of scamming bastards around that purport to provide this service (I just had the misfortune of dealing with one).

Sincere thanks in advance.

Stop excusing o_e_l_e_o for being mortal, the innocents he was attacking and deceiving are also mortals.

[suchmoon]

What do you mean I "didn't provide proof"?

fallacies

Everyone's dying who builds open source non custodial privacy projects, no one forced o_e_l_e_o to attack them either, did they?

Fallacies is all you got, isn't it?

You must be fun at funerals. Or weddings probably too.

Priest: "Speak now or forever hold your peace".
Kruw: "The bride criticized the wallet I'm shilling. And other people have weddings".

[Kruw]

Fallacies is all you got, isn't it?

You must be fun at funerals. Or weddings probably too.

Priest: "Speak now or forever hold your peace".
Kruw: "The bride criticized the wallet I'm shilling. And other people have weddings".

Ah, so you know what fallacies are?  Then you can recognize that you created a strawman:

-In this metaphor, the bride falsely accused the software contributor in order to steal from people that the software contributor was trying to help.
-Many people do not get married, while literally everyone dies.

[Timelord2067]

"Good Riddance" is most definitely a celebration. Especially since it was a thread made by leo himself basically saying goodbye and explaining the situation. There is no world in which behaving like that can be considered acceptable, especially if the only issue at hand is a difference of opinion.

I'm sorry you feel that way - Leo knew he was unwell for a decade ^{(yet chose to behave in a certain way)} then choose to abruptly terminate his participation in the forum without (on his part) making any gesture to mend broken fences.  Having read his posts I knew the only way to get a response was a little shock and awe when I reached out from my side to see if he would clear his conscience before he finished posting.

Leo removed his DT trust/distrusts enmase after he made his last post.


I won't be responding to any more of the woke posts in this thread about this subject.

As I said in a post that was deleted by an admin/mod that has a personal vendetta against me:

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

..

Stop trolling and let the man die in peace.

Good bye Leo - rest in peace and thank you.

[JayJuanGee]

Leo knew he was unwell for a decade ^{(yet chose to behave in a certain way)} then choose to abruptly terminate his participation in the forum without (on his part) making any gesture to mend broken fences. 

We do not know enough to make that kind of a conclusion.  Sure Leo said that he knew about his illness for 10 years, yet we cannot conclude that he had enough information in order to take a course of action that would have had been more appropriate than the one that he had chosen to take - including the fact that many folks will fight their illness and even the idea of their mortality for much longer than is reasonable in order to expect any kind of recovery or any reversal in the degeneration that they might be undergoing. .and yeah we do not even know those kinds of specifics with any kind of level of detail or even generally, so we just might try to reasonably infer from what he had said.

I got the sense that Leo was purposefully being vague in his Farewell OP about specifics of his illness in order to potentially lessen the chances that some folks might read more details into his chosen explanation than what would be warranted. .and sure I suppose with any of us, we run risks when we choose to share any of our personal details.. and maybe we should not, even though Leo had stated some of the reasons that he had chosen to provide a kind of overview of the situation rather than details as a courtesy to some folks who he felt that he should provide some kind of framework to understand why he was going to be disappearing from the forum.. so maybe one of the lessons of how much Leo chose to disclose might be 'damned if you do, and damned if you don't."

[Kruw]

JayJuanGee, what do you think about the proof that o_e_l_e_o betrayed the Bitcointalk community by lying about non custodial privacy software, which led to users losing their data and deposits to the government?

[JayJuanGee]

JayJuanGee, what do you think about the proof that o_e_l_e_o betrayed the Bitcointalk community by lying about non custodial privacy software, which led to users losing their data and deposits to the government?

I believe that it is a bad idea to purposefully make arguments that are aimed at someone's credibility and past conduct at the news of his announcement that he is leaving the forum due to his belief that he does not have much time left on this planet (perhaps a matter of months in terms of his representations), and we have no reason to believe that Leo is making up his reason for leaving the forum.. even though we likely are not able to completely confirm his claims either - except that he had been considered a reliable and credible person on the forum, and I have not seen any significant and/or meaningful posts to establish that o_e_l_e_o engaged in the conduct that you are accusing him of having had done, including that lying is a kind act that seems to need to establish bad intentions, and largely I came to this thread in order to post my response to the news of o_e_l_e_o's farewell since o_e_l_e_o had locked his thread by the time I was in the process of drafting my response that I was going to post in that thread that he closed.  

Admittedly, I am not very much interested in the topic of your OP in terms of your framing it as o_e_l_e_o  being a bad intention person, which seems quite contrary to my own interactions and experiences with his post history to the extent that I had come across his posts, read them and/or felt that I might have understood some of them, so maybe it is my own mistake to participate in this thread and to mostly ignore what seems to be the intentions of your OP, which many members are repelled by your behavior rather than the substantive points that you proclaim to be making (which is difficult to believe that you would really need to make your points in the denigrating ways that you did. and several members have added neutral (but still negative) comments about your conduct to your trust page based on the way that you are going about the raising of these supposed concerns.. ... report me for being somewhat off-topic and my not being very interested to engage in the substantive points of your OP, if you must...

Another thing, I think that if you had disagreements with o_e_l_e_o in regards to various posts that he made in various threads then you would have had already likely addressed those concerns inside of those other threads, or maybe you will repeat your claims against o_e_l_e_o in those threads, but based on his farewell thread and even his post claiming that he is not posting any more on the forum, now you know that he is not going to be responding to your posts, and it seems that he is the best person to respond to the claims contained within the specific kinds of posts that you are making that raise issues of his credibility or his bad intentions as you characterize them to be...

Maybe you are wanting me to read your OP with more detail?  Is that what you are requesting, even though I am not really that interested in complaints of past behaviors in regards to a guy (o_e_l_e_o  in this case) who is not going to be defending himself, and so his posts likely speak for themselves in terms of how much credibility they deserve.  You are suggesting that there are some smoking gun pieces of evidence contained in your OP outline of evidence that I need to review in order to change my opinion (or my historical trust) of o_e_l_e_o and/or his historical representations?  And, at the same time, you raise your concerns in such a way that is largely distasteful and reprehensible rather than anything that any of us should really treat seriously. I would imagine that forum administrators/mods may even be considering whether you should be punished for this post/thread, even though the forum is generally pretty tolerant towards a certain level of brashness and bad tastes in the way that members raise, present and/or respond to issues.

Edited:  After posting I had to read through various parts of this post and make some additional changes to my various responses.

[Vod]

Here's where you addressed how o_e_l_e_o acted:

Do you have proof that o_e_l_e_o knew they were lies?

So what is the lie o_e_l_e_o knew was being told?

I asked two questions - I addressed nothing.  You are a liar.

I enjoyed reading the reactions to this quote. It’s actually pretty thought provoking and interesting to me that people allow their bias to cloud their judgement to the point it makes them see a lack of mourning as celebration.

Don't you judge yourself to be the most trusted here?   That's pretty clouded judgement...
And then you enjoy learning new insults for the dead/dying?

Now please move on with your life before you give yourself a stroke like Vod and stop trying to waste my time with replying to your idiotic nonsense.

Then, after TECShare died from a stroke:

My attacks?  LOL.  Look at the name of this thread.  People aren't stupid...  Your little group of friends has been dropping like flies after stressing themselves literally to death trying to destroy my honest reputation with lies.  How many more users have to disappear from this forum before you guys stop giving yourselves strokes and overdoses trying to further your petty internet drama?  What are you trying to achieve?  Maybe I can help.

[Kruw]

I believe that it is a bad idea to purposefully make arguments that are aimed at someone's credibility and past conduct at the new of his announcement that he is leaving the forum due to his belief that he does not have much time left on this planet, and we have no reason to believe that Leo is making up his reason for leaving the forum.. even though we likely are not able to completely confirm his claims either - except that he had been considered a reliable and credible person on the forum, and I have not seen any significant and/or meaningful posts to establish that o_e_l_e_o engaged in the conduct that you are accusing him of having had done, including that lying is a kind act that seems to need to establish bad intentions, and largely I came to this thread in order to post my response to the news of o_e_l_e_o's farewell since o_e_l_e_o had locked his thread by the time I had drafted my response that I was going to post in that thread.

Admittedly, I am not very much interested in the topic of your OP, so maybe it is my own mistake to participate in this thread and to mostly ignore your OP... report me for being somewhat off-topic if you must...

That's a fair (albeit long) statement.

Another thing, I think that if you had disagreements with o_e_l_e_o in regards to various posts that he made in various threads then you would have had already likely addressed those concerns inside of those other threads, or maybe you will repeat your claims against o_e_l_e_o in those threads, but based on his farewell thread and even his post claiming that he is not posting any more on the forum, now you know that he is not going to be responding to your posts, and it seems that he is the best person to respond to the claims contained within the specific kinds of posts that you are making that raise issues of his credibility or his bad intentions as you characterize them to be...

You'll notice that I have not referred to any "disagreements" between myself and o_e_l_e_o for proof, in fact, most of the evidence I quoted from o_e_l_e_o was authored before I joined Bitcointalk.

Maybe you are wanting me to read your OP with more detail?  Is that what you are requesting, even though I am not really that interested in complaints of past behaviors in regards to a guy (o_e_l_e_o  in this case) who is not going to be defending himself, and so his posts likely speak for themselves in terms of how much credibility they deserve.  You are suggesting that there are some smoking gun pieces of evidence contained in your OP outline of evidence that I need to review in order to change my opinion (or my historical trust) of o_e_l_e_o and/or his historical representations?

The OP is rather intimidatingly long, so if you want to focus on the "smoking gun", the first two quotes are the ones that reveal o_e_l_e_o was aware that a coordinator spying on Wasabi users is not possible:

TIMELINE

March 14 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits coordinator policy doesn’t affect your inputs, admits to BlackHatCoiner that switching coordinators solves the censorship problem, and admits to BlackHatCoiner that his motivation is simply to fight against Wasabi anyways:

Even if this change from Wasabi won't affect any of your inputs, they are no longer an entity which I can trust to fight for my privacy.

Would it be possible for some to start running coordinators?

Absolutely. The coordinator code is open source, so anyone can download it and spin up their own instance. That would solve the immediate problem if everyone switched to a different coordinator, but it doesn't stop these other coordinators being pressured in to implementing the same restrictions and it doesn't change the fact that Wasabi did this in the first place instead of fighting against it.

March 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits that the data feed is a 1 way street from a blockchain analysis company to the coordinator, and that no data is provided to blockchain analysis:

In fact, they need to cooperate with blockchain analysis to obtain information about "taint" UTXOs.

Well, they only need to cooperate in this sense to have the blockchain analysis entity feed them data about which UTXO's to block. But as I said, if they cooperate like this then it won't be long before that cooperation becomes a two way street, with them feeding data back to the blockchain analysis entity.

[JayJuanGee]

I believe that it is a bad idea to purposefully make arguments that are aimed at someone's credibility and past conduct at the new of his announcement that he is leaving the forum due to his belief that he does not have much time left on this planet, and we have no reason to believe that Leo is making up his reason for leaving the forum.. even though we likely are not able to completely confirm his claims either - except that he had been considered a reliable and credible person on the forum, and I have not seen any significant and/or meaningful posts to establish that o_e_l_e_o engaged in the conduct that you are accusing him of having had done, including that lying is a kind act that seems to need to establish bad intentions, and largely I came to this thread in order to post my response to the news of o_e_l_e_o's farewell since o_e_l_e_o had locked his thread by the time I had drafted my response that I was going to post in that thread.

Admittedly, I am not very much interested in the topic of your OP, so maybe it is my own mistake to participate in this thread and to mostly ignore your OP... report me for being somewhat off-topic if you must...

That's a fair (albeit long) statement.

Another thing, I think that if you had disagreements with o_e_l_e_o in regards to various posts that he made in various threads then you would have had already likely addressed those concerns inside of those other threads, or maybe you will repeat your claims against o_e_l_e_o in those threads, but based on his farewell thread and even his post claiming that he is not posting any more on the forum, now you know that he is not going to be responding to your posts, and it seems that he is the best person to respond to the claims contained within the specific kinds of posts that you are making that raise issues of his credibility or his bad intentions as you characterize them to be...

You'll notice that I have not referred to any "disagreements" between myself and o_e_l_e_o for proof, in fact, most of the evidence I quoted from o_e_l_e_o was authored before I joined Bitcointalk.

Maybe you are wanting me to read your OP with more detail?  Is that what you are requesting, even though I am not really that interested in complaints of past behaviors in regards to a guy (o_e_l_e_o  in this case) who is not going to be defending himself, and so his posts likely speak for themselves in terms of how much credibility they deserve.  You are suggesting that there are some smoking gun pieces of evidence contained in your OP outline of evidence that I need to review in order to change my opinion (or my historical trust) of o_e_l_e_o and/or his historical representations?

The OP is rather intimidatingly long, so if you want to focus on the "smoking gun", the first two quotes are the ones that reveal o_e_l_e_o was aware that a coordinator spying on Wasabi users is not possible:

TIMELINE

March 14 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits coordinator policy doesn’t affect your inputs, admits to BlackHatCoiner that switching coordinators solves the censorship problem, and admits to BlackHatCoiner that his motivation is simply to fight against Wasabi anyways:

Even if this change from Wasabi won't affect any of your inputs, they are no longer an entity which I can trust to fight for my privacy.

Would it be possible for some to start running coordinators?

Absolutely. The coordinator code is open source, so anyone can download it and spin up their own instance. That would solve the immediate problem if everyone switched to a different coordinator, but it doesn't stop these other coordinators being pressured in to implementing the same restrictions and it doesn't change the fact that Wasabi did this in the first place instead of fighting against it.

March 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits that the data feed is a 1 way street from a blockchain analysis company to the coordinator, and that no data is provided to blockchain analysis:

In fact, they need to cooperate with blockchain analysis to obtain information about "taint" UTXOs.

Well, they only need to cooperate in this sense to have the blockchain analysis entity feed them data about which UTXO's to block. But as I said, if they cooperate like this then it won't be long before that cooperation becomes a two way street, with them feeding data back to the blockchain analysis entity.

Between the time that you made this responsive post and my earlier post, I made did some further editing of my earlier post... so it is not exactly a comfortable topic for me.

I will admit that I read through one or two Wasabi wallet threads, and I had not been much of a fan of wasabi wallet in the last couple of years when a lot of the negative press had been coming out regarding some changes that were made regarding coordinators, and I am likely not even able to clearly articulate my concerns, and I don't really want to use the mixing services because I think that other members are raising plenty of concerns regarding why not to trust the wallet in terms of cooperation agreements that Wasabi has with chain analysis firms. Maybe historically I had agreed with some of the judgements of o_e_l_e_o on the topic and even BlackHatcoiner and some other fairly vocal Wasabi critics. I don't see any problems with the kinds of statements from o_e_l_e_o  and his continued assertions of not trusting Wasabi wallet... maybe he is wrong about some things, but I doubt that his conduct rises to the level of intentionally lying or misleading even if he was wrong or admitted that he was wrong about some of Wasabi's practices.

I am surely not technical enough to even understand a lot of the assertions, even though from time to time I do read through some of those kind of technical and/or privacy threads, but sometimes it is not easy for me to relate to all of the things that are being claimed, even though I am not retarded so I do understand some of the claims and/or some of the overall assessments and generally from time to time, I end up relying on various representations and assessments of other forum members who seem to have more technical knowledge than me...and yeah if it starts to appear to me that one or another member is lying or being disingenuine in his posts and/or his assertions then I might choose to rely less upon their representations in future posts... and I still believe that o_e_l_e_o tended to post in good faith, even though I can recall that sometimes he took some pretty strict privacy stances, and I am not even clear if I would be willing to take similar steps as him because sometimes there is a need for greater technical knowledge if any of us were going to take some of the additional privacy steps such as discontinuing to use some of the consumer-friendly phones or applications, but that still does not mean that I have been very excited about Wasabi in the last few years, even though I don't claim to completely understand all of the details - but in the last year or two I have not been feeling any inclinations to want to use Wasabi. 

In the coming weeks, I will try to make some time and look at that 5 page Wasabi thread that you highlighted with o_e_l_e_o 's participation therein, even though no member has posted in that thread since mid 2022.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I will not read through all these giant walls of text, most of it is rehashing things which have been discussed many times already, but I will comment on a few of the posts I did read. Oeleo might've had some extreme views on certain issues but I don't hold him responsible for the actions of those who were renting his signature space. I only ever saw him recommend custodial mixers when people were specifically willing to trust a custodian to mix their coins. He could've been more outspoken about the risks associated with them but it is not his responsibility to stop people from doing something stupid. That doesn't make him complicit or a partner in their actions. It's something I hate about this forum but most people try to stay on the good side of those throwing lots of money at them.

I am not in agreement with zkSNACKS decision to prohibit supposedly "tainted" coins from entering their coinjoins but as a private business they have the right to deny their service to whomever they choose. Clearly regulators are not big fans of privacy services, and from my perspective, there was a high enough probability that if they had not made this choice their lead developers would be in a jail cell sitting next to the Tornado Cash devs, ChipMixer operators, and countless other mixers who have passed through this forum. It should be up to the free market to decide if they are willing to accept this compromise. While there is justifiable criticism against Wasabi, I find that a lot of it is entirely hypocritical or outright dishonest. Address reuse is not ideal when it happens in Wasabi, but it also isn't ideal when it happens in Samourai, or when it happened in Chipmixer. For some reason only when it happens in Wasabi do people on this forum consider it bad. In those other cases it was completely ignored because nobody wants to agitate certain merit sources and campaign managers who can ruin their reputation or exclude them from campaigns. Wasabi is also not "spying on their users". WabiSabi coinjoins are designed in a way where the coordinator can't really gather any useful information from participants. Some of these scenarios where they could deanonymize users seem too complex and expensive to be viable without it being detected. Somehow these spying concerns are dismissed when it comes to Samourai having access to xpubs. Developers lying directly to people's face is also not a concern. Developers and community being toxic assholes, also not a concern for the Whirlpool enthusiasts who will criticize Wasabi for these exact things. I'm not really a partisan and have used Wasabi, Samourai and other privacy services but there is a lot of inconsistency and double standards that sometimes I will defend Wasabi when certain arguments seem to be made in bad faith.

[EarnOnVictor]

Bro, you are entitled to all your opinions, but at times, we should be more human and be insensitive.

What I see you doing here is so insensitive. Fine, you and the guy could have had one or two issues together, but it is just a forum where we share opinions, and nothing more. We could be trolled at times or even get so angry but it shouldn't be unto death. This person is dying and what you could do is to be engaging in all sorts like this? It is certainly not fair.

The best you could have done is to just ignore the thread if you still hold a grudge against him. Let's be human for once.

This isn't a matter of "one or two issues" or "opinions":  Did you know o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying to Bitcointalk users to trick them out of gaining privacy on their Bitcoins so the custodian he was promoting could steal those Bitcoins and turn the data of those Bitcointalk users over to the government?

This is a huge allegation that it better be true with the way you are saying it. I also read a lot of replies to others on the general post I managed to cut off the excerpt of mine, and I must say that this is so serious. You take this too personally to the point that I begin to have concerns, and for that, giving you more audience now as a lot could even be happening behind the scenes truly.

But first, you need proof to convince us on this forum rather than a mere allegation. Anyone can allege another, it is not new, and you who could have known this much should be able to have one or two proofs to back it up too. I will never attack anyone. They say talk is cheap, but action is better, I expect that from you soon.

[FatFork]

So you are basically saying you have no basic human traits and operate under the same guise as a weak AI or pre-programmed chatbot? Noted. Here's a truth for you, which you should be able to accept; You're an asshole.

Actually, o_e_l_e_o is an asshole.  

Nope. General consensus suggests you're an asshole in this case.  Your self-assessment is irrelevant.

[Kruw]

I don't see any problems with the kinds of statements from o_e_l_e_o  and his continued assertions of not trusting Wasabi wallet... maybe he is wrong about some things, but I doubt that his conduct rises to the level of intentionally lying or misleading even if he was wrong or admitted that he was wrong about some of Wasabi's practices.

The first two quotes establish the fact that the lying was intentional.  In March 2022, o_e_l_e_o was completely aware that using Wasabi does not lead to data being provided to blockchain analysis.

and I still believe that o_e_l_e_o tended to post in good faith, even though I can recall that sometimes he took some pretty strict privacy stances

Here's proof that o_e_l_e_o was posting in bad faith the entire time because he took extremely anti-privacy stances in support of the custodial mixing site he was promoting: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5465398.msg62803897#msg62803897

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I only ever saw him recommend custodial mixers when people were specifically willing to trust a custodian to mix their coins. He could've been more outspoken about the risks associated with them but it is not his responsibility to stop people from doing something stupid.

No, he specifically was recommending the custodian that leaked everyone's data and stole everyone's coins on the thread of a non custodial privacy wallet:

August 23 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies and says the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned over their data to the government has as good or better privacy than Wasabi

If projects such as Samourai, JoinMarket, ChipMixer, Bisq, LocalCryptos, Monero, and anything else which gives users as good or better privacy than Wasabi can continue unencumbered, then Wasabi can too. They simply choose not to.

You correctly identified this tactic:

Several posts in this and some other threads do give off the appearance of being thinly veiled attempts to promote competing privacy services. It seems odd that people who advertised failed mixer after failed mixer are so laser focused on Wasabi. Custodial mixers aren’t held to nearly the same standard despite having a much higher risk of losing money. It is only natural to question people’s motivations when attacking one service but ignoring or downplaying glaring problems with custodial mixers.

I am not in agreement with zkSNACKS decision to prohibit supposedly "tainted" coins from entering their coinjoins but as a private business they have the right to deny their service to whomever they choose.

I am not in agreement with that decision either, I don't care about the origin of the funds I coinjoin with.

This is a huge allegation that it better be true with the way you are saying it. I also read a lot of replies to others on the general post I managed to cut off the excerpt of mine, and I must say that this is so serious. You take this too personally to the point that I begin to have concerns, and for that, giving you more audience now as a lot could even be happening behind the scenes truly.

But first, you need proof to convince us on this forum rather than a mere allegation. Anyone can allege another, it is not new, and you who could have known this much should be able to have one or two proofs to back it up too. I will never attack anyone. They say talk is cheap, but action is better, I expect that from you soon.

Check the OP of the thread, I provided a detailed timeline.

Nope. General consensus suggests you're an asshole in this case.  Your self-assessment is irrelevant.

Good thing that general consensus and self assessment don't matter because I have proof (not opinions) backing up this thread.

[FatFork]

I only ever saw him recommend custodial mixers when people were specifically willing to trust a custodian to mix their coins. He could've been more outspoken about the risks associated with them but it is not his responsibility to stop people from doing something stupid.

No, he specifically was recommending the custodian that leaked everyone's data and stole everyone's coins on the thread of a non custodial privacy wallet:

August 23 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies and says the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned over their data to the government has as good or better privacy than Wasabi

If projects such as Samourai, JoinMarket, ChipMixer, Bisq, LocalCryptos, Monero, and anything else which gives users as good or better privacy than Wasabi can continue unencumbered, then Wasabi can too. They simply choose not to.

While I think we're getting a bit off track, but you're the one spreading lies here.

1. Chipmixer did NOT steal everyone's deposits, and you have no evidence to back up that claim.

2. Chipmixer has NOT handed over any of their data to the government, and you have no proof of that either.  They were seized. As for the content of the seized data, we can only speculate, the evidence is inconclusive.

3. When Leo recommended using that centralized mixing service, it was a trusted and respected platform in the community. It was promoted/endorsed by many high-ranking members, not just him, and I've never heard of any legitimate scam accusations against them. I can personally testify that they were a legitimate service, as I have used them on numerous occasions without any issues.

So, while the claim that a centralized mixer service offers comparable or superior privacy to Wasabi can be considered a matter of opinion, it is unfair and inaccurate to label it as an outright lie.

Nope. General consensus suggests you're an asshole in this case.  Your self-assessment is irrelevant.

Good thing that general consensus and self assessment don't matter because I have proof (not opinions) backing up this thread.

The general perception others have of your character is shaped by your actions and interactions within the community, not by your ability to argue your stance or your relentless pursuit of self-justification.

[Kruw]

While I think we're getting a bit off track, but you're the one spreading lies here.

1. Chipmixer did NOT steal everyone's deposits, and you have no evidence to back up that claim.

2. Chipmixer has NOT handed over any of their data to the government, and you have no proof of that either.  They were seized. As for the content of the seized data, we can only speculate, the evidence is inconclusive.

3. When Leo recommended using that centralized mixing service, it was a trusted and respected platform in the community. It was promoted/endorsed by many high-ranking members, not just him, and I've never heard of any legitimate scam accusations against them. I can personally testify that they were a legitimate service, as I have used them on numerous occasions without any issues.

Here's the evidence that backs up my claim:

Even my chips which I had in chipmixer service for which they claimed to "delete private" keys after 7 days or whatever, were seized/transfered. and these transactions took place good 3 months ago.

It seems that you are right, whoever had vouchers or chips was left without them. I checked some old wallets older than 1 year that only contained chips from CM, and they were all emptied. Yes, it's a bit stupid that I didn't spend them, but honestly I forgot about a few $ in those old wallets. It's really strange that it wasn't all deleted, but now we at least know where even 7GB of data came from.

Can confirm, they stole a chip of mine a friend of mine that he hadn't yet spent. :/ Really fucking bad practice of ChipMixer to keep private keys, not gonna lie.
It was still there today morning and even when the news broke here; I he had not considered that private keys may have been backed up on CM servers to be honest.

So, while the claim that a centralized mixer service offers comparable or superior privacy to Wasabi can be considered a matter of opinion, it is unfair and inaccurate to label it as an outright lie.

No, it's a literal outright lie.  The privacy of Wasabi is strictly superior because no one is trusted with your financial history.  With ChipMixer, your financial history is completely exposed to the trusted third party.

The general perception others have of your character is shaped by your actions and interactions within the community, not by your ability to argue your stance or your relentless pursuit of self-justification.

If someone falsely accused you of rape for years, wouldn't you relentlessly defend yourself against the false accusation by posting the proof that the accuser was lying the entire time?

[mrust_mobile]

I would say a decentralized mixing service is superior to any centralized mixing service, especially if the code is open source. (I have no idea if wasabi is capable of doing it, not interested at the moment, i am talking in general)

Let's be honest now, those high ranking members have no idea if the clients of that mixing service were getting logged or not. (just like we don't know what information the government got from seizing the service) Was [BannedMixer] an open source project? As far as I know, no. Then who can guarantee any safety of anything that happened on that platform?

Some of the current mixing services may very well be a trap being operated by the state btw.

[Kruw]

Let's be honest now, those high ranking members have no idea if the clients of that mixing service were getting logged or not. (just like we don't know what information the government got from seizing the service) Was [BannedMixer] an open source project? As far as I know, no. Then who can guarantee any safety of anything that happened on that platform?

Some of the current mixing services may very well be a trap being operated by the state btw.

Given that these "high ranking members" have no way to guarantee their claims about the trustworthiness of the mixer they are promoting, that makes their attacks against trustless open source privacy projects even more of a betrayal.

[Sexylizzy2813]

I see no sense in this.
Death is never a good thing even if Leo had offended you indirectly in the past you should at least bid him a farewell based on his condition. Not everyone is strong enough to fight cancer for over a decade.

Actually, I would say the opposite:  Since o_e_l_e_o doesn't have much time left to make things right, he should use this chance to correct the record and apologize for knowingly spreading lies about weaknesses in Bitcoin's privacy.  Bitcointalk posts are a legacy you leave behind even after you die, so it's worth it to extend eternity your honesty.

No matter how things are between you and o_e_l_e_o I don't think him having a short time to live is something you should be happy about, is like you're taking advantage of the fact that he's not going to be here to defend himself to say some crazy things.
Come on OP,  even if he did something you don't like or he stole your money or something, that shouldn't make you wish him death, at least he never prayed you stop breathing , give him the last respect he deserves and not the way you're going about business. Try and keep a better legacy too, who knows this guy o_e_l_e_o can make it past this month next year and many more years, I just wish him well where ever he is.

[FatFork]

While I think we're getting a bit off track, but you're the one spreading lies here.

1. Chipmixer did NOT steal everyone's deposits, and you have no evidence to back up that claim.

2. Chipmixer has NOT handed over any of their data to the government, and you have no proof of that either.  They were seized. As for the content of the seized data, we can only speculate, the evidence is inconclusive.

3. When Leo recommended using that centralized mixing service, it was a trusted and respected platform in the community. It was promoted/endorsed by many high-ranking members, not just him, and I've never heard of any legitimate scam accusations against them. I can personally testify that they were a legitimate service, as I have used them on numerous occasions without any issues.

Here's the evidence that backs up my claim:

Even my chips which I had in chipmixer service for which they claimed to "delete private" keys after 7 days or whatever, were seized/transfered. and these transactions took place good 3 months ago.

It seems that you are right, whoever had vouchers or chips was left without them. I checked some old wallets older than 1 year that only contained chips from CM, and they were all emptied. Yes, it's a bit stupid that I didn't spend them, but honestly I forgot about a few $ in those old wallets. It's really strange that it wasn't all deleted, but now we at least know where even 7GB of data came from.

Can confirm, they stole a chip of mine a friend of mine that he hadn't yet spent. :/ Really fucking bad practice of ChipMixer to keep private keys, not gonna lie.
It was still there today morning and even when the news broke here; I he had not considered that private keys may have been backed up on CM servers to be honest.

So now we accept someone else's claims as evidence? OK... But it seems to me that you have double standards.

OK. Assuming these claims are true (and I have no reason to doubt them, I'm just pointing out that they do not constitute irrefutable evidence), based on the information provided, it's reasonable to conclude that ChipMixer did not steal those coins, but rather a government agency confiscated them.

To sum it up, your claim that Chipmixer "stole everyone's coins" was a lie, or at the very least an exaggeration. And your second claim, again unsubstantiated, that they "turned over their data to the government" is equally bogus. You're either delusional or deliberately spreading misinformation.

If someone falsely accused you of rape for years, wouldn't you relentlessly defend yourself against the false accusation by posting the proof that the accuser was lying the entire time?

You don't defend yourself against "false accusations" by wishing someone dead, or by coming to someone's "farewell" thread to gloat over their imminent demise. Have some respect.

[Kruw]

No matter how things are between you and o_e_l_e_o I don't think him having a short time to live is something you should be happy about, is like you're taking advantage of the fact that he's not going to be here to defend himself to say some crazy things.

I'm not saying "crazy things", I provided o_e_l_e_o's own quotes that prove he was lying about innocent non custodial open source privacy projects and telling people to deposit their coins into a scam that stole depositor funds and turned over user data to the government.

Come on OP,  even if he did something you don't like or he stole your money or something, that shouldn't make you wish him death, at least he never prayed you stop breathing , give him the last respect he deserves and not the way you're going about business. Try and keep a better legacy too, who knows this guy o_e_l_e_o can make it past this month next year and many more years, I just wish him well where ever he is.

"Even if he stole your money"?...

I'm curious, how would you feel if someone who was impostering your profile to scam people out of their money died?  Would you say "well, at least my imposter deserves respect"?

So now we accept someone else's claims as evidence? OK... But it seems to me that you have double standards.

What do you mean I have "double standards"?  Can you provide an example?

OK. Assuming these claims are true (and I have no reason to doubt them, I'm just pointing out that they do not constitute irrefutable evidence), based on the information provided, it's reasonable to conclude that ChipMixer did not steal those coins, but rather a government agency confiscated them.

To sum it up, your claim that Chipmixer "stole everyone's coins" was a lie, or at the very least an exaggeration. And your second claim, again unsubstantiated, that they "turned over their data to the government" is equally bogus. You're either delusional or deliberately spreading misinformation.

It's not an "exaggeration", ChipMixer explicitly claimed that they delete the private keys:

Destroying the session deletes chip private key.

^This was a scam.

You don't defend yourself against "false accusations" by wishing someone dead, or by coming to someone's "farewell" thread to gloat over their imminent demise. Have some respect.

I didn't "wish someone dead", I posted proof that o_e_l_e_o knew the accusations he was making were false.

[SamReomo]

I didn't "wish someone dead", I posted proof that o_e_l_e_o knew the accusations he was making were false.

Even if you know that the accusations he was making weren't right you should not post comments like that on his farewell thread. When he was present on this forum and no one was aware of his health issue then you could create a thread and come up with your accusations.

However, you have chosen a wrong thread to make those comments as his farewell message shocked the all members of the forum and no one even thought that something like that could happen to a doctor. I hope by now you might understand that whatever you said wasn't right especially in a thread like that.

Trust me your comment on that thread hurt the feelings of many members of the forum. We as humans should understand that sometimes our words in wrong occasions can hurt others feelings. I'm not sure what's with you or with o_e_l_e_o, but if must say that your comment wasn't right on that thread.

[FatFork]

What do you mean I have "double standards"?  Can you provide an example?

Sure I can. Here is an example.

So, to paraphrase your words, you have never provided any proof of Chipmixer scamming anyone, you just reposted it without verifying it.

OK. Assuming these claims are true (and I have no reason to doubt them, I'm just pointing out that they do not constitute irrefutable evidence), based on the information provided, it's reasonable to conclude that ChipMixer did not steal those coins, but rather a government agency confiscated them.

To sum it up, your claim that Chipmixer "stole everyone's coins" was a lie, or at the very least an exaggeration. And your second claim, again unsubstantiated, that they "turned over their data to the government" is equally bogus. You're either delusional or deliberately spreading misinformation.

It's not an "exaggeration", ChipMixer explicitly claimed that they delete the private keys:

Destroying the session deletes chip private key.

^This was a scam.

That's your opinion, but I disagree. They were seized by a government and all available private keys were confiscated. That's not the definition of a scam.

But you specifically stated "they stole everyone's coins". Was that a lie?

You don't defend yourself against "false accusations" by wishing someone dead, or by coming to someone's "farewell" thread to gloat over their imminent demise. Have some respect.

I didn't "wish someone dead", I posted proof that o_e_l_e_o knew the accusations he was making were false.

That's another lie. Here's your original post in o_e_l_e_o's "farewell" thread: https://ninjastic.space/post/63517379
That post contains no proofs whatsoever, just your baseless opinion and a disgusting comment about his terminal illness.

[dkbit98]

Thanks for calling o_e_l_e_o out for the pathetic way he ruined his reputation.

You publicly lied and twisted my words, so now I have full right to call you a liar and you are not far from being a scammer if you continue down this path.

Talking with this member is a waste of time since he thinks he is always right, so I would suggest everyone to ignore him and stop replying on his posts.
Let him enjoy his eco chamber.

[Kruw]

Even if you know that the accusations he was making weren't right you should not post comments like that on his farewell thread. When he was present on this forum and no one was aware of his health issue then you could create a thread and come up with your accusations.

I was actively warning users about o_e_l_e_o scamming while he was still present too.

However, you have chosen a wrong thread to make those comments as his farewell message shocked the all members of the forum and no one even thought that something like that could happen to a doctor. I hope by now you might understand that whatever you said wasn't right especially in a thread like that.

You seem to misunderstand:  Saying "Farewell" does not mean that you only say goodbye to your friends, saying farewell also means you say goodbye to your victims.  The victims deserve just as much of a voice as the friends, if not more.

Trust me your comment on that thread hurt the feelings of many members of the forum. We as humans should understand that sometimes our words in wrong occasions can hurt others feelings. I'm not sure what's with you or with o_e_l_e_o, but if must say that your comment wasn't right on that thread.

I don't care about people's feelings, I care about the truth.

Sure I can. Here is an example.

So, to paraphrase your words, you have never provided any proof of Chipmixer scamming anyone, you just reposted it without verifying it.

I did verify those reports are from real victims of ChipMixer and ChipMixer partners, and I did verify it was not ChipMixer competitors purposely lying (like the evidence you linked shows.)

Proof of james3441 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098.msg52372824#msg52372824
Proof of Lucius - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5440942.msg61812722#msg61812722
Proof of n0nce - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg61736973#msg61736973

As you can see, I do not have a double standard because I always make sure my accusations are backed up with proof.

That's your opinion, but I disagree. They were seized by a government and all available private keys were confiscated. That's not the definition of a scam.

If ChipMixer wasn't a scam, please explain how all the NON available private keys that ChipMixer said they deleted were also confiscated.

That's another lie. Here's your original post in o_e_l_e_o's "farewell" thread: https://ninjastic.space/post/63517379
That post contains no proofs whatsoever, just your baseless opinion and a disgusting comment about his terminal illness.

As you can see from the quote, I made no comment whatsoever about his illness:

Good riddance o_e_l_e_o.  No one else I've interacted with on this forum has done more damage to the future of Bitcoin and freedom than you.  Even after your involvement with the Chipmixer scam, you knowingly spread continuous lies about privacy weaknesses in Bitcoin that do not exist. Your scheme of tricking people into giving up their data and stealing their coins will finally come to an end.

As I mentioned earlier, if o_e_l_e_o's farewell thread said he was leaving the forum to become a Buddhist monk or Amish farmer, my "Good Riddance" post would not change at all, because no mention was made whatsoever about his physical condition.  

[Sexylizzy2813]

No matter how things are between you and o_e_l_e_o I don't think him having a short time to live is something you should be happy about, is like you're taking advantage of the fact that he's not going to be here to defend himself to say some crazy things.

I'm not saying "crazy things", I provided o_e_l_e_o's own quotes that prove he was lying about innocent non custodial open source privacy projects and telling people to deposit their coins into a scam that stole depositor funds and turned over user data to the government.

No matter the proof you provided, do you realize that we're only getting your own part of the story but we haven't heard or gotten anything from the accused? For now is just a mare accusation because we can't say he's what you call him until we get his own part of the gist, so is best you let it slide and I pray to God to do some miracle, get him completely healed, let him come back here and testify then you can start this whole drama all over again.

"Even if he stole your money"?...

I'm curious, how would you feel if someone who was impostering your profile to scam people out of their money died?  Would you say "well, at least my imposter deserves respect"?

The way you think and the way I think are never going to be the same, wishing anyone death is not going to come from me.
And again yes he deserves some respect, the thing is how you lay your complain that why it seems like we're against you but for ones you had to give him the regard after all we still have many people who can still speak good if him.
Come to think of it OP, why is it now that he's not using the Forum anymore that you're bringing this topic of him being an imposter? Don't you also think someone can still use his name to do bad things without him knowing?

[Kruw]

No matter the proof you provided, do you realize that we're only getting your own part of the story but we haven't heard or gotten anything from the accused? For now is just a mare accusation because we can't say he's what you call him until we get his own part of the gist, so is best you let it slide and I pray to God to do some miracle, get him completely healed, let him come back here and testify then you can start this whole drama all over again.

The proof I provided is quoted directly from o_e_l_e_o himself.  I'm not producing any new evidence that Bitcointalk users can't verify with their own eyes.

Come to think of it OP, why is it now that he's not using the Forum anymore that you're bringing this topic of him being an imposter? Don't you also think someone can still use his name to do bad things without him knowing?

The topic is extremely important because the damage he inflicted on the reputations of these non custodial open source privacy projects remains even after he stops using the forum.  By alerting everyone that o_e_l_e_o was intentionally sabotaging Bitcoin by lying about the innocent, we can finally move the conversation of privacy forward using honest premises.

[nutildah]

The topic is extremely important because the damage he inflicted on the reputations of these non custodial open source privacy projects remains even after he stops using the forum.  By alerting everyone that o_e_l_e_o was intentionally sabotaging Bitcoin by lying about the innocent, we can finally move the conversation of privacy forward using honest premises.

Except the thing is nobody here believes that at all. He came across as a rational human being that explained his position using logic. You come across as a petulant child. Nobody has done more damage to Wasabi here than you, and you have no one to blame but yourself for that.

[Kruw]

He came across as a rational human being that explained his position using logic.

Here's the rational, logical position that o_e_l_e_o knew all along:

TIMELINE

March 14 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits coordinator policy doesn’t affect your inputs, admits to BlackHatCoiner that switching coordinators solves the censorship problem, and admits to BlackHatCoiner that his motivation is simply to fight against Wasabi anyways:

Even if this change from Wasabi won't affect any of your inputs, they are no longer an entity which I can trust to fight for my privacy.

Would it be possible for some to start running coordinators?

Absolutely. The coordinator code is open source, so anyone can download it and spin up their own instance. That would solve the immediate problem if everyone switched to a different coordinator, but it doesn't stop these other coordinators being pressured in to implementing the same restrictions and it doesn't change the fact that Wasabi did this in the first place instead of fighting against it.

March 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits that the data feed is a 1 way street from a blockchain analysis company to the coordinator, and that no data is provided to blockchain analysis:

In fact, they need to cooperate with blockchain analysis to obtain information about "taint" UTXOs.

Well, they only need to cooperate in this sense to have the blockchain analysis entity feed them data about which UTXO's to block. But as I said, if they cooperate like this then it won't be long before that cooperation becomes a two way street, with them feeding data back to the blockchain analysis entity.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Actually, I would say the opposite:  Since o_e_l_e_o doesn't have much time left to make things right, he should use this chance to correct the record and apologize for knowingly spreading lies about weaknesses in Bitcoin's privacy.  Bitcointalk posts are a legacy you leave behind even after you die, so it's worth it to extend eternity your honesty.

Yeah, whatever.  If I knew I only had a short time left on this earth, the last thing on my mind would be trying to appease anyone on the internet.  I would imagine Leo doesn't agree with the arguments being made here anyhow, so doubtless he doesn't think there's anything to set straight.

[Gormicsta]

Everyone indeed has somewhat level of stupidity in their closet but making a public display of it is absolutely irresponsible and unnecessary and you have really displayed a great deal of stupidity with all this. I don't know your motive or what you stand to gain with this public display of cruelty and stupidity but trust me, it is totally irrelevant.

If you've got grievances with Leo, rather than coming to a Farewell thread and publicly spitting dung for everyone to see just how full of shit you really are, you could've taken it somewhere else and let out your grievances, no one is saying you should forgive anyone for whatever grievances you've got, but for God's sake have some little conscience. I don't know if you're expecting appraisal for this crap but I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who feels disgusted by what you're doing.

Actually, I would say the opposite:  Since o_e_l_e_o doesn't have much time left to make things right, he should use this chance to correct the record and apologize for knowingly spreading lies about weaknesses in Bitcoin's privacy.  Bitcointalk posts are a legacy you leave behind even after you die, so it's worth it to extend eternity your honesty.

Yeah, whatever.  If I knew I only had a short time left on this earth, the last thing on my mind would be trying to appease anyone on the internet.  I would imagine Leo doesn't agree with the arguments being made here anyhow, so doubtless he doesn't think there's anything to set straight.

Not everyone finds it necessary to engage in frivolous online arguments. And to be honest, there's no shame in that; if I were Leo, I'd rather take a nap all day than come here and attempt to clear things up. Sometimes, it's more valuable to concentrate on living your life than it is to engage in pointless internet disputes with strangers.

I only ever saw him recommend custodial mixers when people were specifically willing to trust a custodian to mix their coins. He could've been more outspoken about the risks associated with them but it is not his responsibility to stop people from doing something stupid.

No, he specifically was recommending the custodian that leaked everyone's data and stole everyone's coins on the thread of a non custodial privacy wallet:

August 23 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies and says the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned over their data to the government has as good or better privacy than Wasabi

If projects such as Samourai, JoinMarket, ChipMixer, Bisq, LocalCryptos, Monero, and anything else which gives users as good or better privacy than Wasabi can continue unencumbered, then Wasabi can too. They simply choose not to.

While I think we're getting a bit off track, but you're the one spreading lies here.

3. When Leo recommended using that centralized mixing service, it was a trusted and respected platform in the community. It was promoted/endorsed by many high-ranking members, not just him, and I've never heard of any legitimate scam accusations against them. I can personally testify that they were a legitimate service, as I have used them on numerous occasions without any issues.

So, while the claim that a centralized mixer service offers comparable or superior privacy to Wasabi can be considered a matter of opinion, it is unfair and inaccurate to label it as an outright lie.

Agreed, a lot of people uses Binance exchange, regardless the fact that it's a centralized exchange, and not only do they use it, they also recommend it to other users because it's trusted and respected, so if Binance happens to go down today, there's no way anyone would be help responsible or blamed for promoting Binance or recommending it to other users. I believe that's just the case here, so that's really not enough proof for anyone to point accusing fingers on Leo, except he'll also call out every other person on the forum that's promoted the same mixer service. Or except maybe there's another reason to why he's taking this whole thing personal.

[FatFork]

I don't care about people's feelings, I care about the truth.

If you care about the truth, why do you spread lies?

As you can see, I do not have a double standard because I always make sure my accusations are backed up with proof.

Let's see about that:

That's your opinion, but I disagree. They were seized by a government and all available private keys were confiscated. That's not the definition of a scam.

If ChipMixer wasn't a scam, please explain how all the NON available private keys that ChipMixer said they deleted were also confiscated.

There can be many explanations, as we have already discussed this in the CM ANN thread and other related threads. (Have you actually read the whole document posted on justice.gov?) Since FBI agents have been monitoring the site and collecting evidence since 2021, we don't know for sure when they got the private keys or if they were used or unused "chips" at that time.  So, it is still possible that CM deleted the used private keys as they claimed, and the FBI could have gotten them beforehand.  

But, there's no need to repeat everything here just for your convenience. If you say ChipMixer was a scam, show me the evidence of them stealing people's coins. You claim your accusations are backed up with proof, so let's see it.

And let me repeat, since you obviously dodging the question: You specifically stated "they stole everyone's coins". Was that a lie?

As I mentioned earlier, if o_e_l_e_o's farewell thread said he was leaving the forum to become a Buddhist monk or Amish farmer, my "Good Riddance" post would not change at all, because no mention was made whatsoever about his physical condition.  

Which was obviously bad judgment on your part, because otherwise your post wouldn't have been deleted, and theymos wouldn't have moved the rest of your posts to a separate thread.

But you are digressing again, why did you previously lie that you posted proof about o_e_l_e_o when in fact that post doesn't contain any proof at all?  You seem to have a habit of lying a lot.  

[ineedhelpplease]

I've taken a small break from the forums. This thread is still seriously going on?

[Shishir99]

Isn't it proved yet that the guy who created this topic is either extreme-level toxic or just a troll? Why are you guys paying attention to this guy? I do not believe anything that has come from this user. I cannot imagine that Wassabi hired such screwed-minded people to engage with the community. I see several people say that it's not proved that he is officially from Wasabi. Fuck you guys! Wassabi wallet owner aren't going to this forum to confirm that he is their employee. If you believe, good. If not, very good, please stay away and do not bump this thread anymore. There are just friendly advise.

[Hueristic]

Isn't it proved yet that the guy who created this topic is either extreme-level toxic or just a troll? Why are you guys paying attention to this guy? I do not believe anything that has come from this user. I cannot imagine that Wassabi hired such screwed-minded people to engage with the community. I see several people say that it's not proved that he is officially from Wasabi. Fuck you guys! Wassabi wallet owner aren't going to this forum to confirm that he is their employee. If you believe, good. If not, very good, please stay away and do not bump this thread anymore. There are just friendly advise.

His continued engagement is just keeping the thread active and spreading the word of what a piece of shit he is so there is that.

[Kruw]

Yeah, whatever.  If I knew I only had a short time left on this earth, the last thing on my mind would be trying to appease anyone on the internet.  I would imagine Leo doesn't agree with the arguments being made here anyhow, so doubtless he doesn't think there's anything to set straight.

His motivation shouldn't be about "appeasing anyone on the Internet", his motivation should be to leave behind a better future for Bitcoin.  However, the proof shows that o_e_l_e_o spent the last years of his life intentionally tricking people into forfeiting custody of their Bitcoins and forfeiting their financial history instead, which is a tragically sinister act.

Everyone indeed has somewhat level of stupidity in their closet but making a public display of it is absolutely irresponsible and unnecessary and you have really displayed a great deal of stupidity with all this. I don't know your motive or what you stand to gain with this public display of cruelty and stupidity but trust me, it is totally irrelevant.

My motive is the truth.  Do you think the truth is relevant?

If you've got grievances with Leo, rather than coming to a Farewell thread and publicly spitting dung for everyone to see just how full of shit you really are, you could've taken it somewhere else and let out your grievances, no one is saying you should forgive anyone for whatever grievances you've got, but for God's sake have some little conscience. I don't know if you're expecting appraisal for this crap but I'm pretty sure I'm not the one who feels disgusted by what you're doing.

Farewell threads are an appropriate place to leave your grievances with a person.  Everyone should know the damage that o_e_l_e_o caused to innocent people before he leaves the forum and they should hold him accountable for it.

Not everyone finds it necessary to engage in frivolous online arguments. And to be honest, there's no shame in that; if I were Leo, I'd rather take a nap all day than come here and attempt to clear things up. Sometimes, it's more valuable to concentrate on living your life than it is to engage in pointless internet disputes with strangers.

If he didn't want to engage in frivolous online arguments, then why did he intentionally lie about innocent open source non custodial privacy projects?  You can't falsely accuse people then claim that you don't want to engage after that since the burden of proof is on the accuser.

While I think we're getting a bit off track, but you're the one spreading lies here.

3. When Leo recommended using that centralized mixing service, it was a trusted and respected platform in the community. It was promoted/endorsed by many high-ranking members, not just him, and I've never heard of any legitimate scam accusations against them. I can personally testify that they were a legitimate service, as I have used them on numerous occasions without any issues.

So, while the claim that a centralized mixer service offers comparable or superior privacy to Wasabi can be considered a matter of opinion, it is unfair and inaccurate to label it as an outright lie.

Agreed, a lot of people uses Binance exchange, regardless the fact that it's a centralized exchange, and not only do they use it, they also recommend it to other users because it's trusted and respected, so if Binance happens to go down today, there's no way anyone would be help responsible or blamed for promoting Binance or recommending it to other users. I believe that's just the case here, so that's really not enough proof for anyone to point accusing fingers on Leo, except he'll also call out every other person on the forum that's promoted the same mixer service. Or except maybe there's another reason to why he's taking this whole thing personal.

No, you don't understand, it's a LITERAL OUTRIGHT LIE.  It doesn't matter how much you trust Binance to hold your money because there is no trust whatsoever required when holding the money yourself.

In exactly the same way this applies to custody of coins, it also applies to custody of data, so it's a literal lie to say a trusted mixing site provides better privacy than a trustless coinjoin. 

If you care about the truth, why do you spread lies?

I don't spread lies.  Can you back up your accusation with any proof?

There can be many explanations, as we have already discussed this in the CM ANN thread and other related threads. (Have you actually read the whole document posted on justice.gov?) Since FBI agents have been monitoring the site and collecting evidence since 2021, we don't know for sure when they got the private keys or if they were used or unused "chips" at that time.  So, it is still possible that CM deleted the used private keys as they claimed, and the FBI could have gotten them beforehand.  

But, there's no need to repeat everything here just for your convenience. If you say ChipMixer was a scam, show me the evidence of them stealing people's coins. You claim your accusations are backed up with proof, so let's see it.

And let me repeat, since you obviously dodging the question: You specifically stated "they stole everyone's coins". Was that a lie?

I'm not lying, this scam is also validated by law enforcement themselves, they admitted to taking control of ChipMixer's coins:

The operation involved U.S. federal law enforcement’s court-authorized seizure of two domains that directed users to the ChipMixer service and one Github account, as well as the German Federal Criminal Police’s (the Bundeskriminalamt) seizure of the ChipMixer back-end servers and more than $46 million in cryptocurrency.

If o_e_l_e_o hadn't tricked these users out of using trustless coinjoins, they would have never been scammed out of their coins or had their data turned over to the government.

Which was obviously bad judgment on your part, because otherwise your post wouldn't have been deleted, and theymos wouldn't have moved the rest of your posts to a separate thread.

Okay, if you want to appeal to authority, let's quote theymos directly:

For everyone looking to improve their privacy, I highly recommend checking out Wasabi, especially over centralized "mixers".

Why do you think o_e_l_e_o backstabbed theymos and told everyone to use centralized mixers instead of Wasabi?

I've taken a small break from the forums. This thread is still seriously going on?

Yes, you still need to answer this:

Have some respect, that person may literally lose his life and here you are whining about what he said in the past. No one cares about your little bitcoin project. You are retarded

I may lose my life too, so why aren't you holding o_e_l_e_o accountable for spreading lies about flaws in untraceable privacy software?  

Isn't it proved yet that the guy who created this topic is either extreme-level toxic or just a troll? Why are you guys paying attention to this guy? I do not believe anything that has come from this user. I cannot imagine that Wassabi hired such screwed-minded people to engage with the community. I see several people say that it's not proved that he is officially from Wasabi. Fuck you guys! Wassabi wallet owner aren't going to this forum to confirm that he is their employee. If you believe, good. If not, very good, please stay away and do not bump this thread anymore. There are just friendly advise.

Do you believe theymos?

For everyone looking to improve their privacy, I highly recommend checking out Wasabi, especially over centralized "mixers".

His continued engagement is just keeping the thread active and spreading the word of what a piece of shit he is so there is that.

Why do you think I'm a "piece of shit" for telling the truth about how you can keep your Bitcoins safe and data private?

[nutildah]

Do you believe theymos?

That was close to 5 years ago now. Perhaps his opinion has changed. He also said this, mind you:

transaction analysis may still be possible, especially if you leave other traces; the coordinator could possibly do an active sybil attack against specific coins

Why do you think I'm a "piece of shit" for telling the truth about how you can keep your Bitcoins safe and data private?

That's not why. The reason why is the same reason the creation of this thread was necessitated. You think you can "win" by reframing everything to cast you as the hero instead of the villain, yet everybody can still see what you wrote.

https://ninjastic.space/search?author=kruw&topic_id=5481890

Go back to your hole.

[Kruw]

Do you believe theymos?

That was close to 5 years ago now. Perhaps his opinion has changed. He also said this, mind you:

transaction analysis may still be possible, especially if you leave other traces; the coordinator could possibly do an active sybil attack against specific coins

Why do you think I'm a "piece of shit" for telling the truth about how you can keep your Bitcoins safe and data private?

That's not why. The reason why is the same reason the creation of this thread was necessitated. You think you can "win" by reframing everything to cast you as the hero instead of the villain, yet everybody can still see what you wrote.

https://ninjastic.space/search?author=kruw&topic_id=5481890

Go back to your hole.

I hope everyone sees what I wrote.  That was the point of writing it.

[kayirigi]

Almost all members with Wasabi signature advert have done mixer signature advert before. Some even do Chipmixer advert before.

We should tag all them to be scammers as well. Kruwed thinks so! All Wasabi adverters are scammers!

[Kruw]

Almost all members with Wasabi signature advert have done mixer signature advert before. Some even do Chipmixer advert before.

We should tag all them to be scammers as well. Kruwed thinks so! All Wasabi adverters are scammers!

The difference between ChipMixer and Wasabi is that ChipMixer stole everyone's coins and gave their data to the government because they are a trusted custodian.  Wasabi can't steal your coins or give anyone your data because it's non custodial and protects your information from being leaked using Tor and block filters by default.

[kayirigi]

The difference is Wasabi fund BC analysis and give your data straight to BC analysis and are a government honeypot. So anyone doing adverts for BC analysis funding government honeypot is a scammer.

[FatFork]

The difference between ChipMixer and Wasabi is that ChipMixer stole everyone's coins and gave their data to the government because they are a trusted custodian.  

Your baseless accusations are as empty as your head.  ChipMixer did NOT stole everyone's coins, and you're just spewing nonsense without a shred of proof and intentionally spreading lies to advance your own agenda, just as you falsely accused o_e_l_e_o with no evidence to support your claims.

You're sounding like a Bitcoin SV troll more and more. What's your deal with them?

[Kruw]

Your baseless accusations are as empty as your head.  ChipMixer did NOT stole everyone's coins, and you're just spewing nonsense without a shred of proof and intentionally spreading lies to advance your own agenda, just as you falsely accused o_e_l_e_o with no evidence to support your claims.

I already showed you the evidence ChipMixer was a scam, remember?

While I think we're getting a bit off track, but you're the one spreading lies here.

1. Chipmixer did NOT steal everyone's deposits, and you have no evidence to back up that claim.

2. Chipmixer has NOT handed over any of their data to the government, and you have no proof of that either.  They were seized. As for the content of the seized data, we can only speculate, the evidence is inconclusive.

3. When Leo recommended using that centralized mixing service, it was a trusted and respected platform in the community. It was promoted/endorsed by many high-ranking members, not just him, and I've never heard of any legitimate scam accusations against them. I can personally testify that they were a legitimate service, as I have used them on numerous occasions without any issues.

Here's the evidence that backs up my claim:

Even my chips which I had in chipmixer service for which they claimed to "delete private" keys after 7 days or whatever, were seized/transfered. and these transactions took place good 3 months ago.

It seems that you are right, whoever had vouchers or chips was left without them. I checked some old wallets older than 1 year that only contained chips from CM, and they were all emptied. Yes, it's a bit stupid that I didn't spend them, but honestly I forgot about a few $ in those old wallets. It's really strange that it wasn't all deleted, but now we at least know where even 7GB of data came from.

Can confirm, they stole a chip of mine a friend of mine that he hadn't yet spent. :/ Really fucking bad practice of ChipMixer to keep private keys, not gonna lie.
It was still there today morning and even when the news broke here; I he had not considered that private keys may have been backed up on CM servers to be honest.

Now why didn't you answer my question?

Which was obviously bad judgment on your part, because otherwise your post wouldn't have been deleted, and theymos wouldn't have moved the rest of your posts to a separate thread.

Okay, if you want to appeal to authority, let's quote theymos directly:

For everyone looking to improve their privacy, I highly recommend checking out Wasabi, especially over centralized "mixers".

Why do you think o_e_l_e_o backstabbed theymos and told everyone to use centralized mixers instead of Wasabi?

[FatFork]

Now why didn't you answer my question?

Why didn't you answer my question?

If you say ChipMixer was a scam, show me the evidence of them stealing people's coins. You claim your accusations are backed up with proof, so let's see it.

And let me repeat, since you obviously dodging the question: You specifically stated "they stole everyone's coins". Was that a lie?

[Kruw]

Now why didn't you answer my question?

Why didn't you answer my question?

If you say ChipMixer was a scam, show me the evidence of them stealing people's coins. You claim your accusations are backed up with proof, so let's see it.

And let me repeat, since you obviously dodging the question: You specifically stated "they stole everyone's coins". Was that a lie?

I already answered your question, I provided the quote from directly from Chipmixer where they said they deleted the private keys:

It's not an "exaggeration", ChipMixer explicitly claimed that they delete the private keys:

Destroying the session deletes chip private key.

^This was a scam.

Just answer my question:

Which was obviously bad judgment on your part, because otherwise your post wouldn't have been deleted, and theymos wouldn't have moved the rest of your posts to a separate thread.

Okay, if you want to appeal to authority, let's quote theymos directly:

For everyone looking to improve their privacy, I highly recommend checking out Wasabi, especially over centralized "mixers".

Why do you think o_e_l_e_o backstabbed theymos and told everyone to use centralized mixers instead of Wasabi?

[FatFork]

I already answered your question, I provided the quote from directly from Chipmixer where they said they deleted the private keys:

Whether they deleted the private keys or not (we have no evidence they didn't), how does that prove what you claim?

If you say ChipMixer was a scam, show me the evidence of them stealing people's coins. You claim your accusations are backed up with proof, so let's see it.

And let me repeat, since you obviously dodging the question: You specifically stated "they stole everyone's coins". Was that a lie?

Why do you think o_e_l_e_o backstabbed theymos and told everyone to use centralized mixers instead of Wasabi?

What made you think I was interested in some software from some shitty company you're promoting? Well, let me make that clear: I'm not!

[Kruw]

Whether they deleted the private keys or not (we have no evidence they didn't), how does that prove what you claim?

If you say ChipMixer was a scam, show me the evidence of them stealing people's coins. You claim your accusations are backed up with proof, so let's see it.

And let me repeat, since you obviously dodging the question: You specifically stated "they stole everyone's coins". Was that a lie?

We do have evidence that ChipMixer did not delete the private keys, I proved my claim with these victim testimonials:

Even my chips which I had in chipmixer service for which they claimed to "delete private" keys after 7 days or whatever, were seized/transfered. and these transactions took place good 3 months ago.

It seems that you are right, whoever had vouchers or chips was left without them. I checked some old wallets older than 1 year that only contained chips from CM, and they were all emptied. Yes, it's a bit stupid that I didn't spend them, but honestly I forgot about a few $ in those old wallets. It's really strange that it wasn't all deleted, but now we at least know where even 7GB of data came from.

Can confirm, they stole a chip of mine a friend of mine that he hadn't yet spent. :/ Really fucking bad practice of ChipMixer to keep private keys, not gonna lie.
It was still there today morning and even when the news broke here; I he had not considered that private keys may have been backed up on CM servers to be honest.

What made you think I was interested in some software from some shitty company you're promoting? Well, let me make that clear: I'm not!

You were the one who brought up theymos' perspective on this issue. As I pointed out, theymos' statements confirm that Wasabi improves your privacy compared to centralized mixers.  Why do you think o_e_l_e_o would backstab theymos and miseducate the users of his forum by telling them the opposite?

[nutildah]

Why do you think o_e_l_e_o would backstab theymos and miseducate the users of his forum by telling them the opposite?

You actually believe that framing things out of context helps your argument... It does not, because most of us see right through what you are doing.

 - o_e_l_e_o is allowed to hold his own viewpoints... if they differ from theymos' that is not a case of "backstabbing."

 - he is not "miseducating" the forum by expressing his viewpoints.

 - theymos hasn't mentioned Wasabi since 2019. Its quite possible his opinion has changed in the last 4 years. As I already mentioned, he also said this:

transaction analysis may still be possible, especially if you leave other traces; the coordinator could possibly do an active sybil attack against specific coins

It just so happens these are currently both giant, omnipresent concerns with Wasabi.

You're obviously here to protect a vested business interest, but you should attempt to have the insight to understand when you are doing more harm than good.

If you have no ability or desire to self-reflect on your actions and correct your behavior, then you will be cursed with a shitty reputation. This holds true in all aspects of life.

[Kruw]

You actually believe that framing things out of context helps your argument... It does not, because most of us see right through what you are doing.

What context have I left out?  Please provide it.

- o_e_l_e_o is allowed to hold his own viewpoints... if they differ from theymos' that is not a case of "backstabbing."

o_e_l_e_o's viewpoints confirmed that Wasabi's privacy is not compromised by coordinator policy:

TIMELINE

March 14 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits coordinator policy doesn’t affect your inputs, admits to BlackHatCoiner that switching coordinators solves the censorship problem, and admits to BlackHatCoiner that his motivation is simply to fight against Wasabi anyways:

Even if this change from Wasabi won't affect any of your inputs, they are no longer an entity which I can trust to fight for my privacy.

Would it be possible for some to start running coordinators?

Absolutely. The coordinator code is open source, so anyone can download it and spin up their own instance. That would solve the immediate problem if everyone switched to a different coordinator, but it doesn't stop these other coordinators being pressured in to implementing the same restrictions and it doesn't change the fact that Wasabi did this in the first place instead of fighting against it.

March 15 2022 - o_e_l_e_o admits that the data feed is a 1 way street from a blockchain analysis company to the coordinator, and that no data is provided to blockchain analysis:

In fact, they need to cooperate with blockchain analysis to obtain information about "taint" UTXOs.

Well, they only need to cooperate in this sense to have the blockchain analysis entity feed them data about which UTXO's to block. But as I said, if they cooperate like this then it won't be long before that cooperation becomes a two way street, with them feeding data back to the blockchain analysis entity.

- he is not "miseducating" the forum by expressing his viewpoints.

o_e_l_e_o is miseducating users by telling them that a trusted third party provides better privacy than trustless software:

August 23 2022 – o_e_l_e_o lies and says the custodian he partnered with that stole everyone’s deposits and turned over their data to the government has as good or better privacy than Wasabi

If projects such as Samourai, JoinMarket, ChipMixer, Bisq, LocalCryptos, Monero, and anything else which gives users as good or better privacy than Wasabi can continue unencumbered, then Wasabi can too. They simply choose not to.

- theymos hasn't mentioned Wasabi since 2019. Its quite possible his opinion has changed in the last 4 years. As I already mentioned, he also said this:

transaction analysis may still be possible, especially if you leave other traces; the coordinator could possibly do an active sybil attack against specific coins

It just so happens these are currently both giant, omnipresent concerns with Wasabi.

Wasabi massively upgraded in 2022 to a brand new coinjoin protocol, it's quite possible he's even more impressed than when he originally awarded Wasabi & JoinMarket the bounty.

You're obviously here to protect a vested business interest, but you should attempt to have the insight to understand when you are doing more harm than good.

I'm here to help people improve their privacy and stop getting scammed, there's no "vested business interest" because the software is completely open source.

If you have no ability or desire to self-reflect on your actions and correct your behavior, then you will be cursed with a shitty reputation. This holds true in all aspects of life.

I've passionately defended using Bitcoin non custodially and privately against o_e_l_e_o who betrayed the Bitcointalk community by looting their coins and data with ChipMixer.  If you think this behavior needs to be "corrected", it sounds like you are against self custody and privacy.

[nutildah]

You willfully missed the entire point. Nobody here is swayed by your arguments, regardless of how many times you repost the same text over and over again.

I'm not sure you're capable of experiencing humility, so there's no reason to continue this discussion.

[Kruw]

You willfully missed the entire point. Nobody here is swayed by your arguments, regardless of how many times you repost the same text over and over again.

I'm not sure you're capable of experiencing humility, so there's no reason to continue this discussion.

I guess I didn't leave out any context then.  I rigorously proved that o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying about open source privacy projects and convincing users to give up custody of their funds and data to ChipMixer, who scammed their depositors.

[OgNasty]

You willfully missed the entire point. Nobody here is swayed by your arguments, regardless of how many times you repost the same text over and over again.

I'm not sure you're capable of experiencing humility, so there's no reason to continue this discussion.

I guess I didn't leave out any context then.  I rigorously proved that o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying about open source privacy projects and convincing users to give up custody of their funds and data to ChipMixer, who scammed their depositors.

I haven’t followed this issue much, outside of warning everyone right BEFORE chipmixer was shut down that they shouldn’t use it because the site had illegally laundered money for a criminal theft and would obviously be shut down as a result. I was attacked for that warning that turned out to be true. You’d think I would have been praised in a normal environment…

I think a person that comes here, runs a signature campaign to get money from this community and then leaves once that money dries up is probably not the most respectable Bitcoiner, but good luck convincing those who were on the payroll (a huge chunk of the current DT network here).

[SamReomo]

I guess I didn't leave out any context then.  I rigorously proved that o_e_l_e_o was knowingly lying about open source privacy projects and convincing users to give up custody of their funds and data to ChipMixer, who scammed their depositors.

If I'm not wrong then most reputed members of the forum were actively applying the signature on their profiles back then because at that time it was one of the most reliable mixers one can think of. But when they turned into frauds and did wrong things then most users remove that signature from their profiles.

Those who were applying the signature including o_e_l_e_o, weren't aware that a project like Chipmixer can do money laundering and other shady activities and if they were aware of that fact then they would most probably not apply the signature on their profiles. That's why blaming o_e_l_e_o or anyone else who were applying the signature on their profiles isn't a justifiable thing.

No one willingly applies the signatures of the platforms that do fraud with users. I believe 1xBit also launched their signature program on this forum but none of the good members applied that signature on their profiles because they were sure that the casino does shady things with the players and all those who applied the signature on their profiles got red tags from the reputed members of the forum.

[Kruw]

If I'm not wrong then most reputed members of the forum were actively applying the signature on their profiles back then because at that time it was one of the most reliable mixers one can think of. But when they turned into frauds and did wrong things then most users remove that signature from their profiles.

Those who were applying the signature including o_e_l_e_o, weren't aware that a project like Chipmixer can do money laundering and other shady activities and if they were aware of that fact then they would most probably not apply the signature on their profiles. That's why blaming o_e_l_e_o or anyone else who were applying the signature on their profiles isn't a justifiable thing.

No one willingly applies the signatures of the platforms that do fraud with users. I believe 1xBit also launched their signature program on this forum but none of the good members applied that signature on their profiles because they were sure that the casino does shady things with the players and all those who applied the signature on their profiles got red tags from the reputed members of the forum.

Imagine there's a way to build a trustless casino on Bitcoin that doesn't let the operator cheat or steal from players.  Now imagine there's a trusted casino outside of Bitcoin that lets the operator cheat or steal from players. If someone goes to the thread of the trustless casino and tells others to use the trusted casino, anyone who listens will only end up in a worse position, and never in a better one.

You can't get cheated or stolen from with Wasabi's coinjoins, but you can get cheated or stolen from with ChipMixer.  o_e_l_e_o told people to abandon the trustless software and lose their funds to the trusted custodian.

[Doan9269]

Imagine there's a way to build a trustless casino on Bitcoin that doesn't let the operator cheat or steal from players.

If this gets in place, then maybe we may be deviating from the amin purpose on creating this platform, this is strictly on bitcoin discussion, any other affairs or activities you're having with any member should be at your own risk, that is why scam is not moderated here, we have to make our own research.

Now imagine there's a trusted casino outside of Bitcoin that lets the operator cheat or steal from players.

It happens in life that some things we trusted doesn't even appear the way we are seeing them in reality until we get into them before knowing, life is all about risk, but we must be sure of what we are into both in and out.

[Hueristic]

Imagine there's a way to build a trustless casino on Bitcoin that doesn't let the operator cheat or steal from players.

If this gets in place, then maybe we may be deviating from the amin purpose on creating this platform, this is strictly on bitcoin discussion, any other affairs or activities you're having with any member should be at your own risk, that is why scam is not moderated here, we have to make our own research.

Now imagine there's a trusted casino outside of Bitcoin that lets the operator cheat or steal from players.

It happens in life that some things we trusted doesn't even appear the way we are seeing them in reality until we get into them before knowing, life is all about risk, but we must be sure of what we are into both in and out.

A decentralized open sauce casino that's codebase's hash is signed and checked on the client side should not be that hard to code.

[Timelord2067]

Interesting concept.

A multi signature wallet by anyone wanting to financially support such a venture would ensure no one walks off with the bag.


Perhaps if you front up BTC the app issues you with a token which enables you to withdraw just your share and no one else's? 🤔

[Kruw]

If this gets in place, then maybe we may be deviating from the amin purpose on creating this platform, this is strictly on bitcoin discussion, any other affairs or activities you're having with any member should be at your own risk, that is why scam is not moderated here, we have to make our own research.

Exactly: o_e_l_e_o preemptively sabotaged the research of others by purposely lying about innocent projects.

[Kruw]

It occurred to me that o_e_l_e_o's behavior reminds me of Jussie Smollett, who faked a hate crime against himself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussie_Smollett_hate_crime_hoax

Just like Jussie Smollett was framing white people to promote himself, o_e_l_e_o framed open source privacy projects to promote his "mixing sites".

[Hueristic]

It occurred to me that o_e_l_e_o's behavior reminds me of Jussie Smollett, who faked a hate crime against himself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussie_Smollett_hate_crime_hoax

Just like Jussie Smollett was framing white people to promote himself, o_e_l_e_o framed open source privacy projects to promote his "mixing sites".

You never get sick of people telling you what a piece of shit you are do you?

[nutildah]

It occurred to me that o_e_l_e_o's behavior reminds me of Jussie Smollett, who faked a hate crime against himself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussie_Smollett_hate_crime_hoax

Just like Jussie Smollett was framing white people to promote himself, o_e_l_e_o framed open source privacy projects to promote his "mixing sites".

[NotATether]

Don't you find it retarded that he just refuses to let go of a thread made by someone who's not even here anymore?

[examplens]

Don't you find it retarded that he just refuses to let go of a thread made by someone who's not even here anymore?

I think everyone should ignore this thread.
Everything inside and about this thread is wrong and its life should not be extended. I believe that the OP would eventually give up if he realizes that there is no support or interest in this kind of discussion.

[Kruw]

You never get sick of people telling you what a piece of shit you are do you?

Why does telling the truth about Bitcoin make me a "piece of shit" to you?

Don't you find it retarded that he just refuses to let go of a thread made by someone who's not even here anymore?

Don't you have any sympathy for o_e_l_e_o's victims who listened to him and lost their money to Chipmixer?

Everything inside and about this thread is wrong

What is wrong in this thread? Use a direct quote.

[decodx]

Why does telling the truth about Bitcoin make me a "price piece of shit" to you?

I fixed that mistake in your quote.

Wanna see a picture instead? Here you go:


Need a definition?

A useless person who spews crap and bullshit out of their mouth constantly.

(1) a worse than worthless object or person; an object or person that holds no value or redeeming qualities whatsoever

(2) a stupid, low-life, self-righteous human being who makes life a living hell for themselves and others

Any peroson who is not worth the same amount as a piece of shit.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=piece+of+shit

Tons of other definitions out there, but these ones hit the spot for you, in my opinion.

[examplens]

What is wrong in this thread? Use a direct quote.

This thread currently has 8 pages and over 150 posts, if you haven't figured out what's wrong here, I certainly can't explain it to you in one post. That's why I have no intention of explaining anything to you, it's pointless.
If anyone ^{me also} here does not respond to your questions, it does not mean that no one has more arguments, it means that no one wants to continue the discussion in the way you started here.

[Kruw]

Wanna see a picture instead? Here you go:


Need a definition?

A useless person who spews crap and bullshit out of their mouth constantly.

(1) a worse than worthless object or person; an object or person that holds no value or redeeming qualities whatsoever

(2) a stupid, low-life, self-righteous human being who makes life a living hell for themselves and others

Any peroson who is not worth the same amount as a piece of shit.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=piece+of+shit

Tons of other definitions out there, but these ones hit the spot for you, in my opinion.

Shouldn't you be calling o_e_l_e_o a piece of shit? There's a massive amount of evidence against him, and no evidence against me. You are defending the scammer who tricked people into losing their coins and data to Chipmixer, don't you care about o_e_l_e_o's victims?

What is wrong in this thread? Use a direct quote.

This thread currently has 8 pages and over 150 posts, if you haven't figured out what's wrong here, I certainly can't explain it to you in one post. That's why I have no intention of explaining anything to you, it's pointless.
If anyone ^{me also} here does not respond to your questions, it does not mean that no one has more arguments, it means that no one wants to continue the discussion in the way you started here.

I said USE A DIRECT QUOTE.

What is wrong in this thread? Use a direct quote.

Since you can't find a direct quote of me saying anything wrong, that confirms everything in this thread is exactly right: o_e_l_e_o knowingly attacked Bitcoin by purposely fabricating lies about innocent open source projects. In the process of doing so, o_e_l_e_o tricked Bitcointalk users into losing their coins and data to Chipmixer, the custodian he was advertising.

The Bitcointalk community WILL NOT FORGIVE o_e_l_e_o for this betrayal.

[SamReomo]

The Bitcointalk community WILL NOT FORGIVE o_e_l_e_o for this betrayal.

No, you've interpreted it in a wrong way, you should instead say that Bitcointalk community WILL NOT FORGET the contribution which o_e_l_e_o made to this community. Trust me Bitcointalk community miss Leo so much that we won't forget him anytime. He's a legend and he has made his place in our hearts, so no matter whoever hates him, we will always respect him, and wish him a happy life.

[Kruw]

No, you've interpreted it in a wrong way, you should instead say that Bitcointalk community WILL NOT FORGET the contribution which o_e_l_e_o made to this community. Trust me Bitcointalk community miss Leo so much that we won't forget him anytime. He's a legend and he has made his place in our hearts, so no matter whoever hates him, we will always respect him, and wish him a happy life.

"The contribution" o_e_l_e_o made to the Bitcointalk community was a deliberate lie that caused people to lose their Bitcoins and data to Chipmixer, the custodian he was advertising. Why would you respect that?

[nutildah]

Here's the thing you just don't quite get: everyone here thinks you're a giant, remorseless asshole. Every. Single. Person.

If you want anyone here to use Wasabi, you'd shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up completely. Go away, basically.

If you want to continue to harm the reputation of the Wasabi brand, then by all means, keep talking.

The choice is yours.

I'm not debating you about this. As someone who's been here for 9 years longer than you, I'm telling you the way that it is.

You can either pseudo-intellectualize your way around it in an ultimately fruitless attempt to save face (yet again), or you can consider that perhaps I have a point.

The choice is yours.

[Kruw]

Here's the thing you just don't quite get: everyone here thinks you're a giant, remorseless asshole. Every. Single. Person.

If you want anyone here to use Wasabi, you'd shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up completely. Go away, basically.

If you want to continue to harm the reputation of the Wasabi brand, then by all means, keep talking.

The choice is yours.

I'm not debating you about this. As someone who's been here for 9 years longer than you, I'm telling you the way that it is.

You can either pseudo-intellectualize your way around it in an ultimately fruitless attempt to save face (yet again), or you can consider that perhaps I have a point.

The choice is yours.

I don't care about your opinion, I care about the truth: o_e_l_e_o was using Bitcointalk to funnel coins away from self custody (where they couldn't be tracked) into the hands of a custodian that STOLE EVERYTHING.

In order to do this, he purposely created lies about innocent open source projects. It wasn't just Wasabi he lied about, he also fabricated these fake accusations against BTCPay Server and Trezor. The existence of these projects that don't custody funds or collect data undermined the "legitimacy" of his mixing site scams, so he made them all his target.