Fixedfloat is scamming me for 8000+ EUR IMPORTANT PSA!

[JollyGood]

I think the distinction has been made between the fact the OP had his funds unfairly frozen under the most dubious of excuses by Fixedfloat against the fact he seems to have received a generous payment for the website from his client. At worst case scenario, if the OP did not make the website or if there was something else going on, it still did not make it right for Fixedfloat to steal the funds.

Fixedfloat has to take measures now to repair the damage otherwise their reputation will never recover.

Fwiw, 8k for a website he coded from scratch isn't unbelievable depending on the type of website he worked on. I know for a fact that websites can go for as much as a million dollars depending on the complexity of the project. We are missing the point here, I don't think it matters why he got the 8k and what it was for, what matters is that Fixedfloat froze the poor mans funds and isn't returning them back like they should do.

[crypto4design]

Anyone who wants to ask me question is free to do so by listing it but at moment guys i am very worried that my customer sent so much of his KYC details and now they are not replying for so long...this is extremely suspicious behavior

8000 EUR for website is nothing

This is exactly what makes your story so hard to believe. Earlier you wrote this:

i think i will be first guy who killed himsef over being blocked his own money my luck is really fucked up i got job after 2 year being unemployed worked always below developler average payment

It doesn't sounds like the regular payment for this is €8k. If "it's nothing", you wouldn't talk about killing yourself over losing payment for a week.

Don't quote long posts.

8000 EUR for website of that capacity for customers budget is NOTHING to me is LIFE CHANGING AMOUNT i am happy to  answer you all questions regarding what work i did if you list it like
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but as i say currrentl even after completing KYC and i am delivering whole KYC proccess in full to public fowarded by my customer

Step 1:

Hello,

As we said before, we offer KYC only in order to reduce the risk when unfreezing the order. This is fully consistent with the Terms of Service:
7.9. In some cases, when, for objective reasons, the user cannot provide sufficient evidence of the source of the funds received, as well as in the case of the sender's personal acquaintance with the alleged criminal who sent the funds to the User, as an exception, the User may be asked to undergo identity verification.

We also reported that we will be able to provide your data for communication only at the official request of law enforcement agencies for this transaction.

We do not share data with third parties, this is a violation of the Privacy policy. You can also find out how we store and processing data in the Privacy policy:
https://fixedfloat.com/en/privacy-policy

Verification takes place in two stages. First we need to get a scan or photo of your identity document.


Best regards,
FixedFloat team.


Step 2

Hello,

Please send a video recording where the order page is open on the screen in the background, we can see your face, and you with your identity document in your hand pronounce your full name, the order ID and confirm that you have sent the funds for this order.




Best regards,
FixedFloat team.


Both steps were done on 29th fully and they are still staling with release of funds customer send them reminder and i've contacted bestchange and orangefren who are willing to help but still waiting answer from both

Synchronice

Which exchange do you use that charges you high transaction fees? I just calculated and 0.2 BTC to XMR via fixedfloat results in 51.529 XMR while on Binance that results in 51.652 XMR. XMR withdrawal fee is 0.0001 XMR either that equals 0.0167 USD. You would actually save $30 if you were about to use centralized exchanges. I haven't checked decentralized ones but it will be nice to hear which particular exchange you are talking about that you were going to use but had way too high fees.

Iam not sure what are you asking me here exactly but if its why i used fixedfloat it's simple i use it for long time as i said if someone pays in high fee coin i exchange it for low fee coin and they are fastest exchange generally others stale with confirmation required to exchange efor other tokens i am not sure but someone said that on my transaction i pay like 0.40 cent thats not true on my electrum it gives warning when transaction passes 30% and i am poisitive i calculated it would cost me so much instend i used fixedfloat to sawp it


It would at least take you some weeks to receive second payment, right? Because you were doing 8000+ Euro job, it would at least take one week, minimum. Didn't you really notice that your wallet wasn't filled the next day? Did you really that blindly decided that it would 100% be sent to your wallet? And only noticed it on 2nd transaction? C'mon man.

Exactly i recieved first payment and as you say it says Completed i didn't bother i worked 12h a day just on this website after finishing MVP(Minimal visible product) i've requested second payment keep in mind customer previously saw my work that my friend on discord shared him and i was vouched  full conversation you guys can freely reada once i share all evidences i shared with fixedfloat,and since fixedfloat nver gave me issues before i just trusted the statemant and went with my work and when making final order  when i opened monero wallet(please notice its my first time using it) i saaw 0 balance told my friend who is little more experienced in cryptos he responded that monero sometimes desyncs or something like that coin and that i should pick new remote node and rescan balance in meantime i gave wallet to new address customer paid and after waiting for some time it said completed and i rescaned wallet few times anad money was missing so i contacted fixedflot you have statemant that answers this in first email and in bestchange
unfortunately i blindly trusted fixedfloat

[holydarkness]

Not trying to defend OP, but....

8000 EUR for website is nothing

This is exactly what makes your story so hard to believe. Earlier you wrote this:

i think i will be first guy who killed himsef over being blocked his own money my luck is really fucked up i got job after 2 year being unemployed worked always below developler average payment

It doesn't sounds like the regular payment for this is €8k. If "it's nothing", you wouldn't talk about killing yourself over losing payment for a week.

Don't quote long posts.

It seems there is a small misunderstanding here due to OP's lack of punctuation mark and English is not his native language, or so I assume. The suicide statement aside, as I think that's him being dramatic, I believe his statement should read like this,

8000 EUR for website is nothing, considering i am full stack onto this. and website, any experienced developler like me, its creatable in under week; considering MOST of website development is patching bugs and maintance and improving UX. that's why website tend to take long time. creating website is easy now, considering i got to code for less than 700 euro a month for this...

With what he tried to convey, freely interpreted by me, "EUR 8,000 for website is not that spectacular from a business owner's perspective, since that's a payment for a work for the entire day in a year [thus roughly EUR 700 monthly] patching bugs, maintenance, and improving UX. The website itself is build-able in one week, it's the maintenance that need the hard work, and that's where and why I got paid that amount."

But yeah, that contractor must have really trusted him, paying him upfront for a year of work.

It would at least take you some weeks to receive second payment, right? Because you were doing 8000+ Euro job, it would at least take one week, minimum. Didn't you really notice that your wallet wasn't filled the next day? Did you really that blindly decided that it would 100% be sent to your wallet? And only noticed it on 2nd transaction? C'mon man.

It's explained on the snippet of his complaint on best exchange [re-uploaded below]. He saw that it's completed, and as this is not the first time he use FF, he thought everything is good and didn't bother to do anything and proceed with the work.


https://i.ibb.co/HdZ4swM/x8.png

[dkbit98]

Both steps were done on 29th fully and they are still staling with release of funds customer send them reminder and i've contacted bestchange and orangefren who are willing to help but still waiting answer from both

Interesting that you mentioned this.
As far as I know Orangefran has written guarantee and protection from your funds being stolen by fixedfloat exchange, if you used them,
but they also have clear warning that  fixedfloat may freeze your coins and ask you a bunch of questions:



I don't think this should be considered as a scam, but orangefren should help speed up things and resolve this issue.
As for fixedfloat partners aka other exchanges, they can literally say any address they want as blacklisted without providing any proof  

[LoyceV]

As far as I know Orangefran has written guarantee and protection from your funds being stolen by fixedfloat exchange, if you used them,

I assume that guarantee only applies when you use their referral link. But even then, it's not worth much:

Currently we compensate up to 2k USD per trade with FixedFloat ~. Note that with the exception of an exit-scam our compensation maxes out at 10%

[dkbit98]

I assume that guarantee only applies when you use their referral link. But even then, it's not worth much

Probably, but I thought this should be mentioned, maybe OrangeFren can help push things into right direction, since FixedFloat previously sponsored some of their meetings and events.
I see OP was not active for few days, so let's wait to hear update when he comes back.

[carbone9090]

Hello Bitcointalk Community,

I am being scammed by Fixedfloat they are holding my money hostage and wont send them no matter what proof I send, they keep asking for new proofs every time, basically just wasting my time with no intention to send the money, here is the full story:

I'm a developer, I provide a service and I get paid for it, a guy approached me for a website, and I did the website for him, and instead of receiving funds to my btc wallet then sending it again to exchange where the transaction fees are way too high, I decided to exchange it directly to xmr because I wanted to hold some xmr as  a long term investment. he sent it in two transactions one before the work started and one after, I didn't notice at the time, but after I finished the work I found out that fixedfloat are freezing my money and the reason is they believe it was obtained by criminal means! so I contacted, and:

> First they asked for proof, I sent them screenshots, of my Telegram conversation with the guy which is a sensible information to begin with and contradicts with user anonymity

> then they asked for chat exports from telegram, I did that and sent it to them, they said it's manipulated and that somehow I edited the chat exports?? which is really weird

> so this time they wanted a video recording for the conversation, and I also did that and sent them the recording

- So everything they asked for I provided them with, and they still didn't release my money, they sent a screenshot that 2.2% of the money is related to darknet, thats 2.2% from 8000 EUR  which is exactly 160 EUR, so for 160 EUR my whole 8000 EUR is freezed (https://i.ibb.co/7XBtjb4/IQ8jYY.png), and every proof they wanted I gave it to them

> after delivering all evidence and answered all the questions, they returned to to step 0 and said according to section 7.7 user who sent funds need to contact us, now they want to know the source of funds from the guy that paid me, the guy said his money is clean and my work is done with him, I cant go and ask him to provide sensitive information about his finances and force him to make his private information public



The guy received his website, and the service is complete so now I'm at his and fixedfloat mercy to get my money, the state the need to know the money is obtained via legal actions and I proved that to them with enough evidence, they are aware that I'm the one who opened the exchange in Fixedfloat and sent my customer the address, the money now belongs to me why would I need to ask him to send his entire bitcoin history? this is electronic cash and this is exactly why fungibility is so important, and taint is a very dangerous attack on Bitcoin's existence, in real life scenarios do us ask or care about the history of every fiat cash u own? whether who held it before used it for what is not my business!
I provide a service and I get paid for it!

- Basically Fixedfloat have no intention to give my money back, they just asking me question expecting that I cant answer them, and when I have the answer and proof they get surprised and ask new ones until they tire me and make give up and stop messaging them!

So for just a 2.2% they going to keep the whole fund to themselves! they are not a legal entity that should do that.According to their logic if you buy house for 500k and 100$ bill was in hooker ass
you are PIMP and you they will keep whole 500k so you don't have it.This is alarming and i urge this community to help me with advices what should i do and i call fixedfloat to respond to community!

Pictures will be placed below:

Bestchange info about transaction they sended me
https://i.ibb.co/7XBtjb4/IQ8jYY.png

Conversation with FixedFloat

First Reply:
https://i.ibb.co/sJ5pbgm/x1.png
Second Reply:

https://i.ibb.co/hckJF8K/x2.png
Third Reply:

https://i.ibb.co/vVJNpK1/x3.png
Fourth Reply:

https://i.ibb.co/zJ8J7Hb/x4.png
Fifth Reply:

https://i.ibb.co/VVb1YXv/x5.png
Proof they knew that user sent it for first time and they acknowledged it.

January 7 post on bestchange

https://i.ibb.co/HdZ4swM/x8.png

Screenshots of First transactions:

https://i.ibb.co/Prt1mxq/txid.png

Screenshot of second transaction

https://i.ibb.co/Mfjw9z6/txid2.png
Now due surge of xmr price calculate how much money fixedfloat service costed me.

This is them on this very forum saying what contradicts with my CASE!

https://i.ibb.co/B4SJftY/ff1.png

https://i.ibb.co/vmTftfP/ff2.png

If you still not resolve your problem send me PM with your TG i will try to help you. I have a contact of good man which run this business more then 1 year already. He help people to unblock AML risk score 80+ transactions. No need any advance payment. He will take some % only after work fully completed. He have paid thread on famous forum with reviews.

[Synchronice]

If you still not resolve your problem send me PM with your TG i will try to help you. I have a contact of good man which run this business more then 1 year already. He help people to unblock AML risk score 80+ transactions. No need any advance payment. He will take some % only after work fully completed. He have paid thread on famous forum with reviews.

Isn't it better to place a link of his contact info or the link of other forum threads in this topic? I don't understand why it should not be a public.
By the way, his problem is that FixedFloat asks him for many proofs and also don't validate some of them, there is a huge mess in this thread because there are so many big quotes, it's hard and time consuming to read all of them in details.

Anyone who wants to ask me question is free to do so by listing it but at moment guys i am very worried that my customer sent so much of his KYC details and now they are not replying for so long...this is extremely suspicious behavior

This is his last update, how is that person going to help him if his AML score is higher than 80+ and FixedFloat doesn't reply to him or his customer? Just wondering, is that guy going to magically do something about that?

[alterra57]

If you still not resolve your problem send me PM with your TG i will try to help you. I have a contact of good man which run this business more then 1 year already. He help people to unblock AML risk score 80+ transactions. No need any advance payment. He will take some % only after work fully completed. He have paid thread on famous forum with reviews.

Isn't it better to place a link of his contact info or the link of other forum threads in this topic? I don't understand why it should not be a public.
By the way, his problem is that FixedFloat asks him for many proofs and also don't validate some of them, there is a huge mess in this thread because there are so many big quotes, it's hard and time consuming to read all of them in details.

Anyone who wants to ask me question is free to do so by listing it but at moment guys i am very worried that my customer sent so much of his KYC details and now they are not replying for so long...this is extremely suspicious behavior

This is his last update, how is that person going to help him if his AML score is higher than 80+ and FixedFloat doesn't reply to him or his customer? Just wondering, is that guy going to magically do something about that?

He's most likely trying to scam him. What they do is they send you a website link which asks to "verify" your wallet, and you have to approve a contract there, that's where the wallet gets drained.

[JollyGood]

The Fixedfloat forum representative have taken themselves out of the thread and that is disappointing. It seems they have not posted since 29th January.

Under normal circumstances, if there were serious allegations against them they should have mounted a full defence to protect their reputation but the way they have handled the whole issue they have made it clear they were not interested in giving it the focus it deserved. In the process they left their reputation in tatters.

It does seem (just as the OP stated later) Fixedfloat are going through the KYC process as a form of revenge. As far as I am concerned they will not release the funds to the OP regardless of the explanation given or KYC/AML documents provided.

[ScamViruS]

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In this situation it appears that you are maintaining a win-win situation for yourself. You have withheld someone's hard earned money by showing your power, if you think there is a problem with this fund then why not refund it to the same address instead of keeping this fund. You keep the funds in your wallet and ask the OP for one document after another, I don't think there is any need for these. I would say those who run this kind of business and harass customers should be avoided, everyone should refrain from using Fixedfloat, they make such a scene with customer's funds which harass customers and keep their funds withheld on various pretexts.

The law enforcement agencies excuse is now being used the most, would you please confirm which law enforcement agencies are actually complaining to you that this fund is involved in any criminal means.

We receive dozens of requests a day from law enforcement agencies in a huge number of countries. All requests are sent from official email addresses (which, of course, are checked) by law enforcement agencies, contain signatures and seals.

Getting emails from multiple agencies, and they're giving you information to seize funds from certain addresses? That means instead of managing the exchange you are doing the work of confiscating bad funds! Instead of the OP's complaint, you're just repeating that you're following the instructions of various law enforcement agencies, but I don't think that's an entirely true claim. Now you have stopped engaging in this thread, but it would be better if you explain the reason behind it. Because this raises doubts about the claim you are making.

[LoyceV]

The Fixedfloat forum representative have taken themselves out of the thread and that is disappointing. It seems they have not posted since 29th January.

Now you have stopped engaging in this thread, but it would be better if you explain the reason behind it. Because this raises doubts about the claim you are making.

They lied. That should tell you everything you need to know:

The funds remain frozen at our addresses, and when the frozen funds are seized by the authorities, they are also sent from our addresses.

That's not true. You say the funds "remain frozen", but that can't be since you've mixed them already.
The first transaction was mixed in this transaction and that same output was used to sent to another address. The second transaction was mixed in this transaction and also sent to another address. None of the funds were frozen in your wallet, you're normally using them to pay other people.
To summarize: if those funds came from criminal activity as you claim, you've now sent it to other innocent users who now own those "tainted" Bitcoins.
It sounds very much like you only care about "taint" when it's convenient for you.

[Synchronice]

@crypto4design
@fixedfloat
Is there any news about this case? Just wondering what happened, did you give him his money or what? There is a silence from both of you. I hope that indicates that his problem got solved but on another hand, if that's true, I don't understand why @fixedfloat isn't posting to update us (I hope crypto4design didn't give up).

They lied. That should tell you everything you need to know:

The funds remain frozen at our addresses, and when the frozen funds are seized by the authorities, they are also sent from our addresses.

That's not true. You say the funds "remain frozen", but that can't be since you've mixed them already.
The first transaction was mixed in this transaction and that same output was used to sent to another address. The second transaction was mixed in this transaction and also sent to another address. None of the funds were frozen in your wallet, you're normally using them to pay other people.
To summarize: if those funds came from criminal activity as you claim, you've now sent it to other innocent users who now own those "tainted" Bitcoins.
It sounds very much like you only care about "taint" when it's convenient for you.

Company is registered in Seychelles. Does anyone really believe that these really give money to authorities? Especially when they or their partners make BA analysis. It's dust, nobody cares about such a tiny amounts and they keep this money for themselves.
With all due respect, I don't believe small exchanges confiscating some bucks freeze money till they get contacted from authorities unless it's a very serious case.

[holydarkness]

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Company is registered in Seychelles. Does anyone really believe that these really give money to authorities? Especially when they or their partners make BA analysis. It's dust, nobody cares about such a tiny amounts and they keep this money for themselves.
With all due respect, I don't believe small exchanges confiscating some bucks freeze money till they get contacted from authorities unless it's a very serious case.

Well, that's the beauty of their policy, they're going to hold it in their addresses until they are seized by the authorities. Otherwise, it will be sitting nicely in their wallet. I imagine they can say some funds are still not being confiscated by the authorities and thus still remains in their possession.

[nutildah]

[...]
Company is registered in Seychelles. Does anyone really believe that these really give money to authorities? Especially when they or their partners make BA analysis. It's dust, nobody cares about such a tiny amounts and they keep this money for themselves.
With all due respect, I don't believe small exchanges confiscating some bucks freeze money till they get contacted from authorities unless it's a very serious case.

Well, that's the beauty of their policy, they're going to hold it in their addresses until they are seized by the authorities. Otherwise, it will be sitting nicely in their wallet. I imagine they can say some funds are still not being confiscated by the authorities and thus still remains in their possession.

What's dumb is nobody will ever come after those funds unless they are demonstrably the proceeds of a ransomware operation, hack, or theft. If the funds in question are tainted to such a degree that they're basically on fire, FixedFloat could easily just send the same amount back to the address from which they were received (preferably from the output from their receiving address). But no, they mix them in their hot wallet so they can just say, "whoops, its too late to refund our customer now." What a load of BS.

[JollyGood]

The OP made his last post on 30th January therefore we do not know if any settlement was made between himself and Fixedfloat but it would seem highly unlikely. Yes they lied and for that they have to accept their reputation is basically zero when it comes to the opinion of members of the forum. In future, regardless of the steps they take in trying to protect their brand, they will be reminded of this incident because it clearly seems to be about them finding any excuse they can think of in order to steal funds.

The Fixedfloat forum representative have taken themselves out of the thread and that is disappointing. It seems they have not posted since 29th January.

Now you have stopped engaging in this thread, but it would be better if you explain the reason behind it. Because this raises doubts about the claim you are making.

They lied. That should tell you everything you need to know:

The funds remain frozen at our addresses, and when the frozen funds are seized by the authorities, they are also sent from our addresses.

That's not true. You say the funds "remain frozen", but that can't be since you've mixed them already.
The first transaction was mixed in this transaction and that same output was used to sent to another address. The second transaction was mixed in this transaction and also sent to another address. None of the funds were frozen in your wallet, you're normally using them to pay other people.
To summarize: if those funds came from criminal activity as you claim, you've now sent it to other innocent users who now own those "tainted" Bitcoins.
It sounds very much like you only care about "taint" when it's convenient for you.

[holydarkness]

The OP made his last post on 30th January therefore we do not know if any settlement was made between himself and Fixedfloat but it would seem highly unlikely. Yes they lied and for that they have to accept their reputation is basically zero when it comes to the opinion of members of the forum. In future, regardless of the steps they take in trying to protect their brand, they will be reminded of this incident because it clearly seems to be about them finding any excuse they can think of in order to steal funds.

Even if they've refunded OP and get into a resolution off-screen, or [if we assume for a while here] OP did not tell the full story and there are more to tell, I think the taint on their reputation is already done and can't be erased. They've show that they overcomplicate things, requesting way too intrusive KYC despite their claim of supporting privacy, and --the most important-- no one can guess whether their fund will get through or get confiscated when dealing with their platform, given they have their own blocklist and taint measurement.

[LoyceV]

Company is registered in Seychelles. Does anyone really believe that these really give money to authorities?

No, of course not.

they're going to hold it in their addresses until they are seized by the authorities. Otherwise, it will be sitting nicely in their wallet.

Why repeat their own lie? Blockchain evidence proves they transferred the funds shortly after they received it.

[JollyGood]

I have to agree, I think there is more to this story than meets the eye as far as the OP is co concerned. Even if he was not completely open (or honest) about what happened that resulted in him receiving €8000, the damage to the reputation of Fixedfloat has already occurred and is unlikely to be repaired.

Having said all that, it is not impossible for the OP to receive a large payment for making the website but it is as though some pieces of the jigsaw were deliberately withheld in the OP. Now both the OP and Fixedfloat are silent but whereas nobody knows the OP, it is Fixedfloat that lost much more as a result of them seizing the funds. The KYC they put the client of the OP through is one of the most bizarre things I have read regarding exchanges asking for KYC.

Even if they've refunded OP and get into a resolution off-screen, or [if we assume for a while here] OP did not tell the full story and there are more to tell, I think the taint on their reputation is already done and can't be erased. They've show that they overcomplicate things, requesting way too intrusive KYC despite their claim of supporting privacy, and --the most important-- no one can guess whether their fund will get through or get confiscated when dealing with their platform, given they have their own blocklist and taint measurement.

[holydarkness]

they're going to hold it in their addresses until they are seized by the authorities. Otherwise, it will be sitting nicely in their wallet.

Why repeat their own lie? Blockchain evidence proves they transferred the funds shortly after they received it.

Ahh... my apology, I should have add, "according to them", I forgot about that part... which only add more line on the list of their discrepancies, next to how the taint rating initially shows a low score, and then they claimed that according to their detection system, it's 100% tainted.