Should bitcointalk ban promotion of other forums?

[hilariousandco]

To add to what I said above, I think someone might have asked this question before a very long time ago and if I remember correctly theymos even commented on it if someone wants to do some digging to see what he said.

[shield132]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

Why is it hard to understand that this forum is about freedom? To be as free and independent as possible. Theymos doesn't care about competitors, he cares to have a censorship-free forum where everyone can express their ideas and opinions without fear and being moderated, that's why alt accounts on this forum are allowed. This is a very unique forum and I think that we should appreciate that.
There was an aggressive promotion of cryptotalk via signature campaigns on this forum, then cryptotalk was even paying 0.0003 BTC per post on their website but they failed to become a popular cryptocurrency forum, they gained tons of spammers and their forum is dead. There you have forum.bitcoin.com, their forum is dead too. Now there is altcoinstalks.com promoted but I believe they won't dive the Bitcointalk.org because they don't offer something that will be competitive to this forum. There you have bitcointalk.com and it's nowhere as popular as bitcointalk.org
Simply, there is no need to fear that promotion of another forum will dive bitcointalk.org

[LoyceV]

Since Bitcointalk didn't ban altcoins, ICOs and all other money-grabbing-schemes after that, I don't think it should ban other promotional activities either. Banning doesn't fit the forum's mission "to be as free as possible".
Banning forums would make it a thin line to banning other websites.
Bitcointalk has tens of millions of spam links to Facebook and Twitter. None of those are banned.

I don't get it: Bitcointalk offers more freedom than any other forum I know. Why would you want to reduce this freedom? People (both online and IRL) seem hell bent on getting more and more regulation, without realizing you'll never get back the freedom you once had.

Altcoinstalks was the example, they don't want other people to criticize their forum.

I'm glad Bitcointalk is far above that level. Let's keep it that way.

[acroman08]

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

it's fine, I mean I think even Theymos is fine about it, he mentioned that he tries to make the forum as free as possible(I assume that includes people advertising other forums). if you've been in the forum long enough you'll know come to find out that a forum called Cryptotalk.org that was owned by Yobit ran a signature campaign here.

The things on the forum which encourage spam are allowed mainly because it's part of the forum's mission to be as free as possible. Eg. banning bounties would undoubtedly reduce spam, but that'd be destroying an entire economy/population/culture which has been able to develop due to the forum's freedom. I am willing to take this sort of action, but only as an absolute last resort. It's always preferable to handle these problems by reshaping the environment to make them non-problems, rather than removing some freedom.

[ABCbits]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

I doubt there are many forum or places which do such thing.

What is the opinion of members about this?

It's poor suggestion.

Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

Yes, we already can discuss service on "Service Discussion" and promote service on "Service Announcements". Even social media doesn't forbid you to talk about competing social media. In addition, member occasionally share interesting topic or article from competing forum which create new discussion in this forum.

[NotATether]

This proposal is no good.

Ever since mixers were banned, now people are rushing with proposals to censor other stuff that they don't like.

[mrust_mobile]

I think the other forum should run a signature campaign here. How is that idea? They probably have the funds to do so.

[hugeblack]

These forums are profitable projects, and advertising competing forums may lose some profits, but bitcointalk forum already has 1,226 BTC, which I do not know how it will be spent to develop the forum in the future, especially with the increase in the price of Bitcoin.
In short, there is enough money for the forum and it does not need advertisements to continue its growth, as the legal repercussions are the only ones that might force the forum to stop.

better questions maybe how to use this money to develop the forum to give freedom as much as possible, and not more banning.

[dzungmobile]

To add to what I said above, I think someone might have asked this question before a very long time ago and if I remember correctly theymos even commented on it if someone wants to do some digging to see what he said.

Yobit and Cryptotalk had their signature campaign to shill Cryptotalk forum in 2019. Because initially it was a spam campaign, Bitcointalk community reacted to it and yahoo took over the campaign to clean spammers from participant list.

theymos even banned the Yobit account here because of abuse and some spammers from that campaign but eventually, he allowed Cryptotalk forum to advertise here via a signature campaign under yahoo62278.

129 users who were wearing a yobit signature and had at least 1 good report against them in the last 14 days are banned for 14 days. All yobit signatures are wiped. Signatures containing "yobit.net" are banned for 60 days.

Some people were talking about neg-trusting spammers for spamming. This is not appropriate; report the posts, and if that doesn't seem to be working well, come to Meta with specific examples and suggestions.

[aTriz]

Bitcointalk to other Cryptocurrency forums is same as "Bitcoin" to other Altcoins "Father Figure" so Bitcointalk doesn't need to ban posting or talking about other forums. and it is not necessary either. Bitcointalk have it's place booked among bitcoin and crypto community. it cannot be replaced or overtake by any other forums.
Besides Bitcointalk is a free place with freedom of speech. everyone can talk and post about anything, promote their projects (if bitcoin and crypto related) freely without any restrictions. Bitcointalk don't even moderate scams. then why would it ban another forum?

I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums

that's a pretty dick move. but they have the right to make their own rules. who cares.

[examplens]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

Although you were registered here 6+ years ago, I guess you were not active enough during that time, If you did, you would know that there were even paid campaign signatures here that promoted other forums. Until now, quite a lot of attention has been paid here to freedom of speech and Bitcointalk is one of the few places where it is allowed to discuss almost anything. (Some red lines still exist)
Otherwise, Bitcointalk has no competition, and what is the competition in this case at all?

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

Says a user who has a link to his profile on another forum as his signature on this forum, what an irony.

Anyways, note that my mentioning altcoinstalks  on this comment is for reference purposes only,  not promoting them, altcoinstalks did censored and banned the mention of bitcointalk on their forum for several years, it was after that theymos banned mixers, and many users from bitcointalk started rushing to sign up on altcoinstalks because the campaign managers announced that they were moving mixer signatures to that forum. This was when the admin of altcoinstalks realized that possibly, bitcointalk is not in competition with his forum, so, he lifted the censorship and ban on links to bitcointalk, and also bitcointalk as a word.

Now, the question is, should bitcointalk do same? The Answer is No, allow them, bitcointalk is still and will remain the father of all cryptocurrency forums because, this is the only place where the spirit of Satoshi Nakamoto lives, and good fathers are known to lead their children by examples, and to me, banning the mention or promotion of other forums here won't be a good example bitcointalk is leading other forums with, and besides, this forum is not in competition with any other forum, atleast, until theymos says otherwise.

[SamReomo]

bitcointalk is still and will remain the father of all cryptocurrency forums

That statement is more than enough for those who try to promote hatred because Bitcointalk is the father of all crypto-currency forums and it will always be on top no matter if many new forums get traffic or users, they'll still consider Bitcointalk as superior.

The admin of that forum also mentioned in his comment that they won't compete with Bitcointalk and they also believe that Bitcointalk will always be on top as forum for Bitcoin and crypto-currency users. In fact if another forum is getting active because they're allowing advertising of mixers which isn't allowed here anymore then what's wrong with that?

I think those people who try to promote hatred like this should understand that Bitcointalk has always given priority to freedom of speech and it will always give high priority to it. In fact it's the only forum because of which many casinos and other businesses got their first users.

[EarnOnVictor]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

Well, I will say you should leave it to the admin of the forum, they are the boss here, they call the shot and make the rules. So, if they see it as nothing, so be it, after all, everything is not operating in the same manner in every facet of life. But in the wider sense, just like how it is being used on social media where a low-level/unnoticed handle would suddenly rise to prominence because it attacks or talks false or more on the stars/celebrities, it will not be different in this context either.

Such forum(s) will surely rise to more prominence if nothing is done and will surely embolden users more. As it is now, I don't think Bitcointalk is in competition with any forum, only that allowing double standards can't be so good.

Above all, let the admin decide how the forum is being run.

[mr.smith]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

What they have done wrong to Bitcointalk and people to get a ban here, people will question Bitcointalk administrators as if they are threatened by other forums, when the reality is not, so far mixers are the only platform officially banned by Bitcointalk, if Ponzi scheme and questionable platforms are being promoted here that can harm members why not other forums, if they ban the mention of Bitcointalk in their forum, the admins will not go down to that level and do the same.

[hilariousandco]

To add to what I said above, I think someone might have asked this question before a very long time ago and if I remember correctly theymos even commented on it if someone wants to do some digging to see what he said.

Yobit and Cryptotalk had their signature campaign to shill Cryptotalk forum in 2019. Because initially it was a spam campaign, Bitcointalk community reacted to it and yahoo took over the campaign to clean spammers from participant list.

theymos even banned the Yobit account here because of abuse and some spammers from that campaign but eventually, he allowed Cryptotalk forum to advertise here via a signature campaign under yahoo62278.

I don't think that was it. I think someone else directly asked whether it was OK or allowed to advertise a competing forum and thyemos gave his opinion.

[KingsDen]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

Why is it that people like being grossly moderated. As you mention other forums here without being banned, you no longer like it. You will like it when theymos will say don't mention mixers, Altcoinstalks,  casino, facebook, twitter, Reddit and others. This forum is known for freedom of speech. I have seen many people suggest to theymos to directly or indirectly limit this freedom but he understands the importance of freedom, there's no need to fight against what Satoshi endorsed.

When bitcointalk started newly, there was massive promotion of this forum and bitcoin in different social medias like facebook and twitter by sharing links from this forum to those social medias. As noted by LoyceV, the forum was not prevented in that early stage. How do you then expect the forum to prevent smaller forums that want to leverage on the forum for growth.

In bitcointalk, there's altcoins boards and sub boards. What this means is that this forum is very accommodating and as well the mother of all the crypto related forums. So, it will make no sense to prevent them from growing. The fight is against cryptocurrency and not among cryptocurrency.

[bitzizzix]

To add to what I said above, I think someone might have asked this question before a very long time ago and if I remember correctly theymos even commented on it if someone wants to do some digging to see what he said.

Yobit and Cryptotalk had their signature campaign to shill Cryptotalk forum in 2019. Because initially it was a spam campaign, Bitcointalk community reacted to it and yahoo took over the campaign to clean spammers from participant list.

theymos even banned the Yobit account here because of abuse and some spammers from that campaign but eventually, he allowed Cryptotalk forum to advertise here via a signature campaign under yahoo62278.

I don't think that was it. I think someone else directly asked whether it was OK or allowed to advertise a competing forum and thyemos gave his opinion.

That's how it should be, a good person must respect those concerned here and even though there is freedom.
It's a good idea for anyone to ask permission first before promoting advertisements or anything else on this forum, so that there is consideration from the party who has the right to make decisions.

Sorry if I am wrong.

[Myleschetty]

I have seen that this forum does not consider it inappropriate when some member makes a post or thread about a competing forum. I am a member of other popular forums and they do not allow mention of competing forums as it is free advertising for them.

What is the opinion of members about this? Is it fine allowing members here to promote or mention competing forums without paying this forum owner or taking his permission  ?

Based on the purpose Satoshi created this forum to serve in the cryptocurrency and blockchain space. No forum can compete with this forum, if any users of this forum say something about another forum on here they are just pointing out something the Mod ought to consider on this forum and people are free to mention other forums on here because the forum Mods aim is to make this forum decentralized as much as possible.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

IM refers to Internet marketing. Or in other words, make money online.

Then could you please spell stuff like that out instead of having people guess what you're trying to say?  The first thing I thought was intramuscular, which obviously makes no sense in the context of this discussion.  The same goes for the other generalities.  You're wasting people's time by not being explicit.

Even if we all came to a consensus on the question you posed--which we won't--it doesn't matter anyway.  This isn't your forum, mine, or anyone's except Theymos's and whoever else has some kind of ownership in it, so if there was some kind of competition to bitcointalk, the banning of the promotion of said competition would be completely out of our hands.  Ergo, this is a pointless topic.  Lock up the thread and forget it.