help plz. i got scammed for 500$ from rollbit help razer

[holydarkness]

I've posted this a few times but my question with a case like this is can Rollbit take deposits even if the ToS says they can confiscate deposits. If this was in a court of law, that clause wouldn't be considered legal and the deposit would be returned. The winnings can be confiscated but not deposits.

Pure curiosity, why is it not legal from the perspective of law? Both parties entered a binding agreement, the user violated one or two or even more clauses on the agreement, of which they're agreed with the consequences and outcome for said breach of agreement.

Another thing I've mentioned a few times, let's ignore this case here, in the future do we just accept what a book states or is proof needed that a player has multiple accounts?

This is the importance of taking every case on this board with case-by-case approach, because on several cases, the casino seems vague and weaponize their ToS, on half other, the accusers are the ones questionable because their story are full of hole.

I'll use an absurd example. If the ToS says that you can shoot a player for multi-accounting, the judge is going to throw that out since killing is illegal. Now does the judge consider confiscating deposits illegal since it's the same as stealing? Tricky call.

You have the right idea in both your statements taking it case by case. If a player opens up 3 or 4 accounts there has to be some type of deterrent so I can see confiscating deposits being fine.

Fortunately, its not the case of "stealing" in the sense the casinos rob player's fund. In many [big] casinos, they are more than happy to refund the initial deposits if the abuser is not on net profit. When the abuser is in profit [from their cheating activities], the fund will be confiscated, consider it as a way to "reimburse" the loss suffered by the casino from the abuses. So, I don't think it's "stealing", no?

[Rating Place]

I've posted this a few times but my question with a case like this is can Rollbit take deposits even if the ToS says they can confiscate deposits. If this was in a court of law, that clause wouldn't be considered legal and the deposit would be returned. The winnings can be confiscated but not deposits.

Pure curiosity, why is it not legal from the perspective of law? Both parties entered a binding agreement, the user violated one or two or even more clauses on the agreement, of which they're agreed with the consequences and outcome for said breach of agreement.

Another thing I've mentioned a few times, let's ignore this case here, in the future do we just accept what a book states or is proof needed that a player has multiple accounts?

This is the importance of taking every case on this board with case-by-case approach, because on several cases, the casino seems vague and weaponize their ToS, on half other, the accusers are the ones questionable because their story are full of hole.

I'll use an absurd example. If the ToS says that you can shoot a player for multi-accounting, the judge is going to throw that out since killing is illegal. Now does the judge consider confiscating deposits illegal since it's the same as stealing? Tricky call.

You have the right idea in both your statements taking it case by case. If a player opens up 3 or 4 accounts there has to be some type of deterrent so I can see confiscating deposits being fine.

Fortunately, its not the case of "stealing" in the sense the casinos rob player's fund. In many [big] casinos, they are more than happy to refund the initial deposits if the abuser is not on net profit. When the abuser is in profit [from their cheating activities], the fund will be confiscated, consider it as a way to "reimburse" the loss suffered by the casino from the abuses. So, I don't think it's "stealing", no?

I didn't consider that but you've made a good point. The winnings occurred because of money used from cheating activities. Then there's man power or a third party cost that must be used to confirm this activity. I've had somewhat of a change of heart on the subject.

[Dunamisx]

hi i was using rollbit and got from a buddy tip of 500$.
now i was trying to withdraw this and my account got banned right away and the money was gone.. account was back to 0.

The account cannot be banned just like that, maybe they have suspected you of some suspicious activities while trying to make withdrawal, so instead, they will render the account under suspension until they have every satisfying information required from you.

the support open my account and asked me to kyc my self. i did it and they said i got banned from their site in the past by i didnt it was prob someone in my family that got banned but not me and i proved that with my personal id and everything!.

we cant know who is lying here and since you're not putting any evidence forward, we may not know the exact approach in dealing with this, but i can bet you, this should have nothing to do with your family account banned, maybe you have something that linked you with the banned account or did the same thing that led to the first ban on your family member.

[holydarkness]

hi i was using rollbit and got from a buddy tip of 500$.
now i was trying to withdraw this and my account got banned right away and the money was gone.. account was back to 0.

The account cannot be banned just like that, maybe they have suspected you of some suspicious activities while trying to make withdrawal, so instead, they will render the account under suspension until they have every satisfying information required from you.

the support open my account and asked me to kyc my self. i did it and they said i got banned from their site in the past by i didnt it was prob someone in my family that got banned but not me and i proved that with my personal id and everything!.

we cant know who is lying here and since you're not putting any evidence forward, we may not know the exact approach in dealing with this, but i can bet you, this should have nothing to do with your family account banned, maybe you have something that linked you with the banned account or did the same thing that led to the first ban on your family member.

Kindly re-read the thread once again, OP's account got frozen because he tried to bypass account restriction by having second [or multiple other ones] account. Both sides touched this topic and OP admitted that he knows-didn't-know that one of his family member got restricted a while back.

And I think we can guess who is twisting story here, given there are several discrepancies and inconsistencies in OP's side of story.

[Nwada001]

Thanks for the heads up Holy!

This one was fairly simple for us. A previously banned user returning on a new account.

They've been banned on several accounts prior to this one. The reason is fraud.

We have a zero tolerance policy for this activity, especially when it targets our customers.

The same will happen every time you return OP. You are not welcome on Rollbit!

From this response and the story given by the Op I seem to understand something very clear here now: either this same person or their family members are to some point not just using Rollbit for placing bets of any kind; they might be placing a few bets, but they are mainly targeting Rollbit customers either through begging for tips or tying to scam and defraud them, whatever means they might be using to do that. 
 
From the OP's story, there was never a deposit, but rather a tip from another customer, who is an existing member of Rollbit, and immediately after that tip was sent, the OP tried to withdraw the funds down to his personal wallet or account (whichever was the case, maybe). 
 
All I sense here is just fraud, manipulation, and extortion from victims who might not know what they are up to. If the account is banned forever, it will be better if the funds could be returned to the person who sent it to the Op in the first place, as they might not know they have sent money to someone trying to outsmart them.

[JollyGood]

I would like make a generic comment rather specific to the OP and his scam accusation. On many occasions we have seen members open scam accusations against casinos/gambling websites and put forward their side of the story only for the accused to post their side of the story and then we discover the accuser was not being completely honest.

It looks as though he has accepted that members from the forum will not be supporting him therefore I think we have seen the last of the OP as far as this thread is concerned. His last login was after the Rollbit forum representative told him he was not welcomed at Rollbit because he committed fraud and he broke their terms and conditions in the process.

All I sense here is just fraud, manipulation, and extortion from victims who might not know what they are up to. If the account is banned forever, it will be better if the funds could be returned to the person who sent it to the Op in the first place, as they might not know they have sent money to someone trying to outsmart them.

[holydarkness]

I would like make a generic comment rather specific to the OP and his scam accusation. On many occasions we have seen members open scam accusations against casinos/gambling websites and put forward their side of the story only for the accused to post their side of the story and then we discover the accuser was not being completely honest.

It looks as though he has accepted that members from the forum will not be supporting him therefore I think we have seen the last of the OP as far as this thread is concerned. His last login was after the Rollbit forum representative told him he was not welcomed at Rollbit because he committed fraud and he broke their terms and conditions in the process.

I am on the same page with this. It seems OP tried his luck, trying to see if the community will take his side out of sympathy, fully knowing that he's the wrong one here, but not knowing that the people overseeing this sub-board are neutral. As I don't think OP will come back to get deeper into this case, I am marking it as resolved on the list. If OP feels like he wanted to add more, he's more than welcome to write on this thread again and if what he provide is strong enough, I am changing it back to "in progress".