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July 26, 2024, 10:23:52 AM
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If transaction fees on the Bitcoin network become so high that only large institutions can afford to transact directly on the blockchain, it could indeed lead to more trading being pushed onto centralized exchanges. This shift would mean that most individual users and small businesses might only interact with Bitcoin through these exchanges, rather than through direct blockchain transactions. Writing this only sounds unfair, imagine if it actually happens, what will we do then?

This scenario could lead to a form of centralization that could impact one of Bitcoin's fundamental values: decentralization, where no single entity has complete control over the entire network.

We can only hope that the Bitcoin community is aware of these potential issues and is continuously working on solutions. Rising fees pose a challenge to maintaining Bitcoin’s decentralized nature, but ongoing technological developments are aimed at mitigating these risks to keep Bitcoin open and accessible.
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July 27, 2024, 01:25:08 AM
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What will happen when only large institutions can afford to use Bitcoin's blockchain, due to rising fees? Won't this centralize the network if most can only trade bitcoin on centralized exchanges?

High network fees will force people to leave their coins on centralized exchanges and/or centralized wallet providers (also known as custodians). But I wouldn't worry about this, since fees are not meant to stay high forever. At some point, they will decline back to considerable levels. As of now, network fees are cheap again. I'm certain developers are continuously working on scaling the Blockchain to help prevent fees from spiraling out of control. A quick solution would be to introduce "fractional satoshis" for cheaper transfers.

No matter what big exchanges or institutions try to do, they won't be able to buy all of BTC's circulating supply because some people will resort to self-custody. That small percentage makes a difference. Hopefully, Bitcoin stays decentralized and censorship-resistant for generations. Smiley

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August 05, 2024, 10:23:59 AM
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What will happen when only large institutions can afford to use Bitcoin's blockchain, due to rising fees? Won't this centralize the network if most can only trade bitcoin on centralized exchanges?

High network fees will force people to leave their coins on centralized exchanges and/or centralized wallet providers (also known as custodians). But I wouldn't worry about this, since fees are not meant to stay high forever. At some point, they will decline back to considerable levels. As of now, network fees are cheap again. I'm certain developers are continuously working on scaling the Blockchain to help prevent fees from spiraling out of control. A quick solution would be to introduce "fractional satoshis" for cheaper transfers.

No matter what big exchanges or institutions try to do, they won't be able to buy all of BTC's circulating supply because some people will resort to self-custody. That small percentage makes a difference. Hopefully, Bitcoin stays decentralized and censorship-resistant for generations. Smiley

Are exorbitant fees not a form of censorship, insofar as they restrict smaller transactions from being recorded on-chain?
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August 05, 2024, 04:07:49 PM
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What will happen when only large institutions can afford to use Bitcoin's blockchain, due to rising fees? Won't this centralize the network if most can only trade bitcoin on centralized exchanges?
Fees are the least of your concerns at this point. I mean it's definitely part of a larger problem, but most of this wouldn't happen if not for the fact that bitcoin's not made to be this massive in the first place. And while you have a point with centralizing bitcoin pools since now they can only be traded in exchanges and nowhere else, the equivalent is pretty much centralization as well, in terms of increasing the size of each bitcoin block which is currently limited to only 1mb (correct me if I'm wrong).

So yeah, at this point I would say we're in a deadlock situation where every option we have leads to centralization of network congestion, and in that regard, I'd be more than happy to choose the lesser destructive option between the two which is just keeping things as it is.

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August 05, 2024, 09:07:24 PM
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Fees are the least of your concerns at this point. I mean it's definitely part of a larger problem, but most of this wouldn't happen if not for the fact that bitcoin's not made to be this massive in the first place. And while you have a point with centralizing bitcoin pools since now they can only be traded in exchanges and nowhere else, the equivalent is pretty much centralization as well, in terms of increasing the size of each bitcoin block which is currently limited to only 1mb (correct me if I'm wrong).

So yeah, at this point I would say we're in a deadlock situation where every option we have leads to centralization of network congestion, and in that regard, I'd be more than happy to choose the lesser destructive option between the two which is just keeping things as it is.

Bitcoin is made for the masses, it's the masses that doesn't understand Bitcoin in the first place. 2009 should be a great year for someone to create something that is capable of competing with Visa and other popular payments platforms and majorly the banks. However, Satoshi made the transaction time cap at 10 minute on the average. He did that because he gave priority to decentralization over any other things and he gave up scalability for it.

There is 3 keys to a great system of cryptography, that's decentralization, speed, and security. You must forgone speed to get decentralization and that's why speed is given and decentralization with security remains the top most prioritize thing in the Bitcoin. You can't do without it if we want full decentralization and if we want speed, it's either we give speed up over decentralization but Bitcoin will never do that, speed will remain like that way.

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August 07, 2024, 02:00:47 AM
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Are exorbitant fees not a form of censorship, insofar as they restrict smaller transactions from being recorded on-chain?

Not exactly. You can always set your own fee when sending BTC from your preferred wallet. The transaction will take longer to confirm, but it'll still go through. Assuming you don't pay a very low fee, of course (transaction could get stuck in the mempool for a week). There are methods to save money on fees while reducing wait times as much as possible. I'm talking about re-broadcasting transactions, paying a one-time fee for multiple transactions (batch transactions), or paying a slightly higher fee on a new transaction to make miners accept your previous transaction (child pays for parent/cpfp, or replace by fee/rbf).

On-chain network fees can't high forever. At some point, they will decline giving you the opportunity to make your move. If you're desperate to save money and time, why not use Bitcoin's Lightning Network or an altcoin like Litecoin or Dogecoin? Cheesy

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