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March 26, 2024, 03:19:41 PM
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Agree. Graduation is a different matter, it indicates that he has studied. so that graduation can bring you closer to possible success. To be successful you have to go through college, this is also not certain. There are many paths to success, one of which is graduation. In a more global context, the meaning of success itself is too broad, it is not always money, a doctor who chooses to serve in a remote area, lives simply, can benefit other people with his knowledge, this could also be wealth for them in their life journey.

But on the other hand, I also really agree with art/design or programming jobs, because they learn without having formal education or having graduated but can still be self-taught. because currently there are lots of them scattered on YouTube, Udemy, Coursera, etc., especially in the digital era like now. But there are some jobs that I think require at least some appropriate formal education, especially in healthcare or engineering for safety reasons. However, of all things, the most basic thing to achieve success is hard work and not giving up easily.

A college or university degree is necessary for government job but in private sector jobs skills are the focus rather then degrees. These days trends are changing frequently and what we learn during our graduation is how to adopt with changing trends. Like most of us graduated even before Bitcoin was launched but we have sound knowledge of it since we can use our basic knowledge to explore this new technology. If you don't go for college degree and just master a skill instead then you won't be able to adopt to upcoming new technologies. 
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What make people rich is their idea and solution they had to a problem and not their qualification, i graduate who cannot drive a car, repair a device or even perform a crucial task that will serve as a solution in tackling against any problem, his certificate without physical experience is nothing, people employ who can delivers, that is why it is very important to develop a personal skill upon the educational qualification we are having in other to broadens our opportunity chances for better things in life.



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March 26, 2024, 07:43:46 PM
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Is there anywhere it is stated that being a graduate is the key of being wealthy? I have not found this anywhere apart from the old days norm of thinking that life was all about graduating from school and be gainfully employed. This mindset made many graduates unemployable because their knowledge is so limited and their thinking distorted. 

Being a graduate does not guarantee that one will be wealthy and most of the wealthiest people I know only attended university after they are already rich. They built their wealth through businesses they started without the knowledge of formal education. Education only exposes the individual to the opportunities, help you with the skill and wisdom to recognize and manage the opportunities but it does not guarantee that the individual will be wealthy. Being wealthy is a combination of many factors and university education is just a part of it.

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March 26, 2024, 07:59:18 PM
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Agree. Graduation is a different matter, it indicates that he has studied. so that graduation can bring you closer to possible success. To be successful you have to go through college, this is also not certain. There are many paths to success, one of which is graduation. In a more global context, the meaning of success itself is too broad, it is not always money, a doctor who chooses to serve in a remote area, lives simply, can benefit other people with his knowledge, this could also be wealth for them in their life journey.

But on the other hand, I also really agree with art/design or programming jobs, because they learn without having formal education or having graduated but can still be self-taught. because currently there are lots of them scattered on YouTube, Udemy, Coursera, etc., especially in the digital era like now. But there are some jobs that I think require at least some appropriate formal education, especially in healthcare or engineering for safety reasons. However, of all things, the most basic thing to achieve success is hard work and not giving up easily.

A college or university degree is necessary for government job but in private sector jobs skills are the focus rather then degrees. These days trends are changing frequently and what we learn during our graduation is how to adopt with changing trends. Like most of us graduated even before Bitcoin was launched but we have sound knowledge of it since we can use our basic knowledge to explore this new technology. If you don't go for college degree and just master a skill instead then you won't be able to adopt to upcoming new technologies. 
Here in our country on which it is really that something that would be the same in speaking about qualifications on which the requirement would really be high degree holder on which having no education or degree
would really be put you up in the end of the line and this is why it would really be something that you would be needed for you to be able to live and this is why it would really be better that you should be considering on finishing up your studies before tending to dive into other ventures on which we know that getting a day job is already that a tough challenge then how much more if you cant be able to make yourself
landing a job and tending to have a business or investment. How you would do that?

You would really be needing to have a good start up and would be having that slow climbing up to the top but of course you should set realistic goals and targets in life.
Dont rush up yourself and doing things slowly.

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March 27, 2024, 05:44:24 PM
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ahh, who says getting degrees can make any person wealthy no it's a big lie as until we don't have skills that we can implement to make money we stay poor even if we have many degrees. let's say one person is doing Bs in Computer Science but he has no grip on any programming language so his degree is just a piece of paper for him until he is not learning at demanded programming language his degree will never return him any reward. I don't mean to say that we should not focus on only getting a degree but we should also focus on getting a grip on programming skills so that at the end of the day we can see the real value of the degree we have got.

Besides this Some also think that getting high grades will also help to make them successful person in life haha it is also a thing out of reality. well, Let's suppose one is getting high grades in education and one has a good grip on his skill what do you think which one is better? the one who has a good grip on skills so this is the best thing if we focus on getting a good grip along the degree we are doing. That's all.



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ahh, who says getting degrees can make any person wealthy no it's a big lie as until we don't have skills that we can implement to make money we stay poor even if we have many degrees. let's say one person is doing Bs in Computer Science but he has no grip on any programming language so his degree is just a piece of paper for him until he is not learning at demanded programming language his degree will never return him any reward. I don't mean to say that we should not focus on only getting a degree but we should also focus on getting a grip on programming skills so that at the end of the day we can see the real value of the degree we have got.

Besides this Some also think that getting high grades will also help to make them successful person in life haha it is also a thing out of reality. well, Let's suppose one is getting high grades in education and one has a good grip on his skill what do you think which one is better? the one who has a good grip on skills so this is the best thing if we focus on getting a good grip along the degree we are doing. That's all.



If we do try to look the unemployment rate of each country then there would really be significant percentages on how many people or graduates who had been ended up on getting unemployed on the time that they do graduated which it did really just that prove out that this isnt something a guarantee that it would really be making you wealthy. Come to see and think that there are even to those graduates who had ended up into those works or jobs that it isnt really that getting in line with their course or interest but since they dont really have any options then they would really be needing to dive in despite of having that less interest but
since they dont really have that choice and this is why they would really be that trying to deal on it temporarily.

This is why on the time that you do graduated then on the time that you do get some job then it would be wise that you should really be looking for some other path to take like investment or business
so that if you do have plans on having that better life in terms of money or financial then this step is something that could bring out or give that kind of chance but
of course its not something guaranteed but at least you do took up some shot.

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March 27, 2024, 11:11:06 PM
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What make people rich is their idea and solution they had to a problem and not their qualification, i graduate who cannot drive a car, repair a device or even perform a crucial task that will serve as a solution in tackling against any problem, his certificate without physical experience is nothing, people employ who can delivers, that is why it is very important to develop a personal skill upon the educational qualification we are having in other to broadens our opportunity chances for better things in life.
People grow rich in various ways. If anybody still intends to get wealthy through education, that person has a lot to learn because things have changed. Educated individuals are growing too numerous, and few are truly using themselves well. Making money off of their ideas, and what irritates me is that they prefer to work rather than be their own boss. And that is how people make money: they obtain solutions and get paid for delivering them. But we don't want to think outside of the box. And, while not everyone will become wealthy, there is a method for us to keep ourselves active while still earning money. In addition to what you said even with our educational qualification we should find a way of learning a skill. After that qualification you need a job to sustain your self. Or like wise the skill depends on the one your doing. Staying idle waiting for a white coat job is not the best.

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What make people rich is their idea and solution they had to a problem and not their qualification, i graduate who cannot drive a car, repair a device or even perform a crucial task that will serve as a solution in tackling against any problem, his certificate without physical experience is nothing, people employ who can delivers, that is why it is very important to develop a personal skill upon the educational qualification we are having in other to broadens our opportunity chances for better things in life.
For me graduates are not the key to becoming rich, because currently there are so many graduates who are unemployed because they don't develop skills in their respective fields, and the ones who become entrepreneurs nowadays are mostly people who don't have a university diploma, so everyone it depends on convincing each of us and being willing to try to find change.

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What make people rich is their idea and solution they had to a problem and not their qualification, i graduate who cannot drive a car, repair a device or even perform a crucial task that will serve as a solution in tackling against any problem, his certificate without physical experience is nothing, people employ who can delivers, that is why it is very important to develop a personal skill upon the educational qualification we are having in other to broadens our opportunity chances for better things in life.
For me graduates are not the key to becoming rich, because currently there are so many graduates who are unemployed because they don't develop skills in their respective fields, and the ones who become entrepreneurs nowadays are mostly people who don't have a university diploma, so everyone it depends on convincing each of us and being willing to try to find change.
arguably, having good degree increase the odds of success, personally though I believe that if you want to start a business having degree means you're reliable in the eyes of investor, i mean its different if its small business where you can start it up using your own capital but talking about big business with series of funding round definitely necessary to have a degree even more so thats coming from ivy league.
I don't believe you will get much credibility starting out a business without a degree, some people link degree with trust and reputation so there's that.
but sure its not the key to become rich considering there are simply too many graduates right now that it simply become the norm to have at least bachelor degree.
but at least it gives us opportunity like most other people are having because having no degree nowadays means you're outlier and missing out big time on many opportunities.

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arguably, having good degree increase the odds of success, personally though I believe that if you want to start a business having degree means you're reliable in the eyes of investor, i mean its different if its small business where you can start it up using your own capital but talking about big business with series of funding round definitely necessary to have a degree even more so thats coming from ivy league.
I don't believe you will get much credibility starting out a business without a degree, some people link degree with trust and reputation so there's that.
but sure its not the key to become rich considering there are simply too many graduates right now that it simply become the norm to have at least bachelor degree.
but at least it gives us opportunity like most other people are having because having no degree nowadays means you're outlier and missing out big time on many opportunities.
When someone starts their business with an educational history, of course they will be able to find relationships that will be able to make the business we run have good potential for the future, but this really depends on the business we are going to build, as you said if we build For small businesses, of course we only need capital that is appropriate for the business we are going to build.
Having a bachelor's degree will of course give us good opportunities in anything if we can do it according to the abilities we have and I agree with you that if we don't currently have a bachelor's degree, of course we are behind the times and we have missed many opportunities.

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A college or university degree is necessary for government job but in private sector jobs skills are the focus rather then degrees. These days trends are changing frequently and what we learn during our graduation is how to adopt with changing trends. Like most of us graduated even before Bitcoin was launched but we have sound knowledge of it since we can use our basic knowledge to explore this new technology. If you don't go for college degree and just master a skill instead then you won't be able to adopt to upcoming new technologies. 

A college or university degree is not just to be used for government jobs, in fact many companies require many more of degree than the government because in some descipline, you just need a degree to survive the competition like the engineering descipline, the banking sector, the industrial companies and many more but skills is something both a graduate and non graduate need to acquire, you can add it a supplement to your cv when looking got a work and it will help as an advantage.

A person who has a college degree will be the last to consider than a person who has a college degree with a skills because in school, what teach you is theoretical but in job, you do practical. This is what they don't tell many people in schools, it's funny how you see a person with all the degrees but doesn't understand how to use a Microsoft word and Microsoft excel skills, these are the basics skills that matter.

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A college or university degree is not just to be used for government jobs, in fact many companies require many more of degree than the government because in some descipline, you just need a degree to survive the competition like the engineering descipline, the banking sector, the industrial companies and many more but skills is something both a graduate and non graduate need to acquire, you can add it a supplement to your cv when looking got a work and it will help as an advantage.

A person who has a college degree will be the last to consider than a person who has a college degree with a skills because in school, what teach you is theoretical but in job, you do practical. This is what they don't tell many people in schools, it's funny how you see a person with all the degrees but doesn't understand how to use a Microsoft word and Microsoft excel skills, these are the basics skills that matter.

No one is denying that college degree is must for corporate sectors like banks, industries and others. We live today in an interconnected world where everyone is free to communicate with rest of the world. Today we have freelance industry where large number of people are working remotely and they are boss of there own. There is no requirement of college degree if you are planning to move to such sectors but for other sectors which you mentioned - a college degree is must. 
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When someone starts their business with an educational history, of course they will be able to find relationships that will be able to make the business we run have good potential for the future, but this really depends on the business we are going to build, as you said if we build For small businesses, of course we only need capital that is appropriate for the business we are going to build.
Having a bachelor's degree will of course give us good opportunities in anything if we can do it according to the abilities we have and I agree with you that if we don't currently have a bachelor's degree, of course we are behind the times and we have missed many opportunities.
definitely, there's just simply too much thing to be missed if we don't pursue education at least having bachelor degree is already sufficient enough no need to get master degree and so on it already gives us opportunity that we never have before, even more so if we are coming from reputable university thats a huge plus point that boost our credibility seeking job would be easy if we are trying to build career as an employee.
regardless doesn't mean that people that doesn't have any degree won't survive they will but with so much limitation, if anyone interested to take on the challange feel free to take it head on, but just know that having proper education does help a lot if you ever feel to live easier life.

For me graduates are not the key to becoming rich, because currently there are so many graduates who are unemployed because they don't develop skills in their respective fields, and the ones who become entrepreneurs nowadays are mostly people who don't have a university diploma, so everyone it depends on convincing each of us and being willing to try to find change.
depends on the scale of entrepreneur that such person is building if its great scale talking about multi million dollar and beyond, degree might do good, at least to raise funding.

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For me graduates are not the key to becoming rich, because currently there are so many graduates who are unemployed because they don't develop skills in their respective fields, and the ones who become entrepreneurs nowadays are mostly people who don't have a university diploma, so everyone it depends on convincing each of us and being willing to try to find change.
In developed countries, it’s even better because some students will be having good practicals before they graduate and will secure job immediately after graduating from school. While in under developed countries, your degree cannot guarantee you a good paying job, in fact, a craftsman is even better since they can use their experience to earn a leaving, and if you have good skills and some creativities, you can use them and drop your degree certificate for future purposes.

There is no doubt that education is important, and it is a good factor that helps in developing countries, but having a degree cannot guarantee you a good job, you need extra skills to survive that is why young guys are venturing into tech.

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A person who has a college degree will be the last to consider than a person who has a college degree with a skills because in school, what teach you is theoretical but in job, you do practical. This is what they don't tell many people in schools, it's funny how you see a person with all the degrees but doesn't understand how to use a Microsoft word and Microsoft excel skills, these are the basics skills that matter.
Indeed. A degree is necessary, however if you don't have the skills that the company is looking for to their applicants, then there's a low chance that you'll get hired. But it doesn't mean education is not the priority, because nowadays it is still crucial for people to be able to land for a better job. It's just that, you have to use what you learned to gain a specific skills that you can use to gain.

Education is not sufficient to become wealthy, it's just a stepping stone. It is still depends on us on how we're going to use these learnings to acquire skills for our own benefit for long term.

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There is no requirement of college degree if you are planning to move to such sectors but for other sectors which you mentioned - a college degree is must. 
If you want to get up the corporate ladder, you need to have degrees and have the skills to get your side of work done too. But of course that should not be the end of the game, you should always increase your skillset and learn new skills while honing the old ones and parallelly work on your education. All this might seem difficult but is possible even at increasing age if you have have the passion and determination for the same.

While some entrepreneurs might be school dropouts, most of us dont have the brains for that. So there is no questions of not getting a college degree.

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For me graduates are not the key to becoming rich, because currently there are so many graduates who are unemployed because they don't develop skills in their respective fields, and the ones who become entrepreneurs nowadays are mostly people who don't have a university diploma, so everyone it depends on convincing each of us and being willing to try to find change.

Having a college education isn’t necessarily the key to becoming wealthy in life but then, you won’t deny that having a college degree gives you an edge over a high school diploma in the job market. It shows having a college degree is important nevertheless.
No doubt, there are people who have managed to start up and successfully manage a business without having a college education. Those businesses would be small businesses and later on, you’ll fine the owner of the business going back to college to learn a thing or two to earn a degree.
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A diploma is just a sign that someone has studied but not a sign that someone has thought, and it is actually a fact that no matter how high your education is, education can never be used as a benchmark for achieving financial success, and we can see that there are quite a lot of people who only graduated from elementary school but they managed to achieve wealth by having many businesses. This means that education is not a guarantee of success but education is nothing but something that can make it easier for you in terms of making money.

As we know that most companies now make education a requirement for applying for a job which means that having a higher education will help make it easier for you to find a job but in no way can guarantee you to be able to achieve success, and the difference with people who are not educated is in terms of knowledge, but isn't success not achievable if you only have knowledge? of course, meaning that the success achieved by uneducated people is because they have strong intentions and determination along with having a hardworking mentality and good consistency in terms of pursuing their dreams even though they basically initially have limitations in terms of knowledge and insight, because it is useless even though you have knowledge if for example all of that is not accompanied by action and hard work. This means that everyone has the same opportunity to succeed but perhaps with a different process regardless of whether they are educated or not.

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April 12, 2024, 09:28:00 PM
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Being a graduate one can only say you are a literate but doesn't guarantee you will be wealthy in anyway. In our society they have made school look like a road to financial success which is far from reality.
School can only give you the edge above others in a job pursuit.

As a graduate it only qualifies you in the society not in a financial race, I know some will talk about white collar job and all that, no matter the job offer you have you only live based on your salary and must meet up with the demands of your boss.

In essence you build your wealth, and sort for means that will aid you on the journey. Those who are wealthy have service they render to the public, so build value to be wealthy with your certificate because certificate only make one a worker and doesn't give financial freedom.

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April 12, 2024, 09:37:54 PM
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Our success and fate won't be determined by a single degree. But this portrays a big part for the majority of the people because many opportunities shall come to them and there are undergrads that have a better life than of the few graduates because they know how to deal with this life and they're talented and hardworking that they keep on hustling whatever they see with the opportunity that opens on them. What I am noticing in many countries, when you're not able to finish your studies in college, they're going to belittle you as if they've purchased your soul and there's no left for respect and humanity.

I've got a lot of friends that didn't finish studies but they've got a better life and business than of those that have finished studies and relied mostly to their jobs. The reality of this world is that its shape is circle and connecting this with life, life is also circle and we don't know if we're at the top of the wheel or soon we're going to be at the bottom of it. The main point is to be humble at all times, regardless of what you achieve and what your status is now and in the future.

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