Hey Theymos, There Should Be a Demotion Button

[LoyceV]

I would support the idea if it worked somewhat in the way of adding 1 "dmerit" per 3-5 earned merits.

Cool idea! That gives me the power to turn you back into a Newbie 3-5 times I hope you see where this is going to fail

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[Lucius]

I think it's a good idea. I would support the idea if it worked somewhat in the way of adding 1 "dmerit" per 3-5 earned merits.
I made a poll about in support. I think this could really change the community for the better.
URL to poll. All credits given.

~snip~
About having many accounts, I absolutely do not deny it. In fact, I have many low and high rank accounts...
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The summary is that I don't even know the number of accounts I have because it's not among the important priorities of my life.

I believe that this is just another in a series of alt accounts that the OP has, and it is really funny that he thinks that he is smarter than everyone else when he thinks that such naive tactics can help him in his plan. Now that he has completely exposed himself, I believe that his idea is to take revenge on some members with his alt account farm - but he has two very big problems - the first is to convince the admin to make a change in the merit system, and the second is how to we all pretend we don't know what he's doing.

[knowngunman]

A ranking system should reflect competence, integrity and credibility of those it is bestowed upon. Unfortunately, the BTT system should be stremlined and made balanced through the implementation of necessary trade-offs. A system that promotes but never demotes never gets the best of its men. Let’s make this happen.

The envy against the high rank members is getting out of hand and this very post is nothing different. The merit system was introduced to curtail some of the things you mentioned in your post and so far it's serving that purpose despite its somehow being abused by some individuals in some ways. In every system, the early and loyal fans always enjoy the benefit of being part of the community from the first beginning and that is exactly what the forum did to her members when the merit system was introduced. Ever since the airdrop merits, some people find it hard to earn merits by themselves and you can easily identify such users by checking their profile and merit stats using BPIP. You'll know those who are genuinely contributing with useful posts and those who benefited from the system.

Now, the questions are these; are spam and shit posts being merit? No! Did Forum provide ignore button that allows you to ignore spammers or troll? Yes! Then what else do you need demotion button for? Perhaps you have a sinister against legendaries by advocating for this call. The forum already has enough features in place including temp ban and perm ban for erring accounts and this very one you are asking is to help people to carryout their grudges on one another to extra level.

Very soon now, I will create a post and ask thymos to issue certificate to all legendaries that will guarantee them work anywhere since everyone is claiming to come up with idea to make Forum a better place.  

[m2017]

It can be distressing to new members reading some of the posts from old members who should be knowledgeable but unfortunately bland. The quality of reasoning (and posts)  of many Legendary members is  appalling. This could be due to the fact that they were promoted before the introduction of the merit system or they simply bought a high-ranked account to spew rubbish on the forum.

If you don't like it, don't read it. What problems. No one is forcing you to read them. The forum is full of good posts. Anyone can find them if they want.

Nonsense can be found among legendary members even from the new era merit system.

With the rampancy of signature campaigns, the tendency for participants to type to meet quota (even if they don’t really make sense is high). This is why I think that a demotion (or demerit) button is appropriate. This would mitigate the preponderance of the disappointment in reading posts from some so-ranked Legendary sounding like it’s from a 12-year old.

For this to stop being a problem, it’s time for you to lower your expectations that every legendary post is a masterpiece of a writer’s thought. Legendary is not an indicator (mandatory) of having great knowledge and awareness, it is just a rank. Here merits are an indirect (and subjective) sign that separates good posters from bad ones.

Ok, who's going to hit the rank down button? You? This (miracle button) has wide potential for abuse, giving power over forum users.

By the way, the merit system was just introduced to combat (eliminate and reduce) shit posting. Isn't this enough for you?
 

We even have trolls and spammers who are high-ranked members (Legendary trolls). This means that these chaps have never contributed something meaningful to the community debar having been around for ages. This ought not be so. What impression does it make on new members, especially now that Bitcoin is massively being advertised by big names like Blackrock?

Instead of complaining about other people's bad posts and asking them to take action on them, should you focus on your personal achievements? In the 5 years of your account's existence, you have not risen above the member rank.

What significant contribution have you made to the BTC-community?

Before you start discussing others, maybe you should ask yourself some questions?

You can implement this by adding a demerit button. If a member can rank up through a thousand merits, they should be demoted through a hundred De-merits. This could be open to members or assigned to moderators. You may also bestow demotion powers to intelligent reputable members like LoyceV, Yahoo62278, Notatether, Moccaccino, Logfiles, Suchmoon and others.

This is a controversial proposal that should be considered and discussed before being introduced.

A ranking system should reflect competence, integrity and credibility of those it is bestowed upon. Unfortunately, the BTT system should be stremlined and made balanced through the implementation of necessary trade-offs. A system that promotes but never demotes never gets the best of its men. Let’s make this happen.

To improve the rating system, a merit system was introduced, which does some of what you describe.

[Mpamaegbu]

OP, what you're advocating had been suggested before in certain quarters and comments but I'm afraid that isn't looking like what theymos will want to grant, bearing in mind that he brought the merit system to curtail things of similar nature.

OP, when I came to the forum, I read some comments that said, "The quality of a post is not determined by the rank of members here."

That's an apt response to what OP is advocating. It's the same thing when we expect that every elderly people is endowed with wisdom. No, it doesn't work that way. People get wiser by native intelligence bestowed on them or by drawing their knowledge from the experiences of others.

[Adbitco]

Well I don't think anything has changed here because as I know too well if you are looking through merits system then I must say that you are getting it twisted. I think this same suggestions you brought made theymos to implement the merits system and since then till now the forum has been more better and cleaner since it takes time to rank up, ranking up shows how competent you are except for those who already ranked up before the merits system was introduced and if you carefully look on some of the legendary you may ref as they hardly received merits this is to show that they aren't making any progress.

I also want to use this medium to appreciate some reputable members who has been active reporting some post that are not worth it to the mod, and to make the whole thing simple Bitcointalk forum is a place that allows everyone to do whatever they want, and we can't expect everyone to be professional on everything they do or let say that is why here is open for learning and to impact on people who aren't that educated in the crypto space, so, expect low quality and high quality post from anyone and one thing you must know is that people makes quality post to the areas they knows more better than the section they knows Little.

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You can implement this by adding a demerit button. If a member can rank up through a thousand merits, they should be demoted through a hundred De-merits. This could be open to members or assigned to moderators. You may also bestow demotion powers to intelligent reputable members like LoyceV, Yahoo62278, Notatether, Moccaccino, Logfiles, Suchmoon and others.

I won't go into the usefulness and complexity of implementing something like this, but it would be a big mistake to enable such features only for certain members. We already have many complaints and discussions that the DT system is unfair because it seems as if certain users are privileged. That would only bring more unnecessary drama.
The current trust system is not perfect, but it is functional for the most part, although some users continue with their behaviour regardless. Demerit or demotion will certainly not affect such.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

It can be distressing to new members reading some of the posts from old members who should be knowledgeable but unfortunately bland. The quality of reasoning (and posts)  of many Legendary members is  appalling. This could be due to the fact that they were promoted before the introduction of the merit system or they simply bought a high-ranked account to spew rubbish on the forum.

With the rampancy of signature campaigns, the tendency for participants to type to meet quota (even if they don’t really make sense is high). This is why I think that a demotion (or demerit) button is appropriate. This would mitigate the preponderance of the disappointment in reading posts from some so-ranked Legendary sounding like it’s from a 12-year old.

As for me, i don't see the rate of these as much as we have it in newbies, most of the high rank individuals are not depreciating in knowledge for any reason, forget it, what you know you have known it, you may only choose not to go up with the current trends but the information's and knowledge there are permanently in you, go and check most of the legendary ranks account, you will discover how some of them have tirelessly worked hard in the past, there's no doubt that sometimes we feels relaxed in the way we contribute before to how we do now, but i think the merit system is also a justification on that, whereby you cant expect someone who is not active or posting quality posts to be receiving merits and incase you sighted on one, you can make an example on reputation board for others to see what's going on on merits abuse.

[OddJobsForBitcoin]

I think it's a good idea. I would support the idea if it worked somewhat in the way of adding 1 "dmerit" per 3-5 earned merits.
I made a poll about in support. I think this could really change the community for the better.
URL to poll. All credits given.

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About having many accounts, I absolutely do not deny it. In fact, I have many low and high rank accounts...
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The summary is that I don't even know the number of accounts I have because it's not among the important priorities of my life.

I believe that this is just another in a series of alt accounts that the OP has, and it is really funny that he thinks that he is smarter than everyone else when he thinks that such naive tactics can help him in his plan. Now that he has completely exposed himself, I believe that his idea is to take revenge on some members with his alt account farm - but he has two very big problems - the first is to convince the admin to make a change in the merit system, and the second is how to we all pretend we don't know what he's doing.

This is pathetic. Your kind is actually one of the reasons why the demotion button should be implemented. So anyone that supports the idea is automatically my alt? Folks like you who live for signature campaigns think the world revolves around posting rubbish without thinking them through. The more you try to sount smart makes you come across as bland. And low-witted individuals like you see it as worthy of merit? I sure admit having perhaps a dozen accounts because the first time I encountered BTT, it was a Google ad showing someone selling Legendary accounts so I thought it's a place to do such. The fact remains that I attempted to sell just one account before I realized that a better way of making money off the forum is through services. I've since earned close to or more than $20,000. And that with only a single participation in signature campaign but mainly through services I render here and on Reddit. Those of you who are idle enough to go through a persons posting history can run through my alts that you know to understand if this is true or false. I have also built businesses that I focus on and so, the many account I set up earlier are of no consequence at the moment. Anyway, your low quality of reasoning as an old member is the reason why such a button is necessary.

[JollyGood]

You skipped past the question, maybe you will answer it this time. Look at the following account:

~OddJobsForBitcoin
~Newchanka
~Michael63
~Cyberczar

What are your opinions regarding what the correct form of action should be for the following accounts (including your OP account) if a demotion or similar button were to be implemented. If you admit to having any other accounts I will add them to the list therefore do you have any other accounts?

A system that promotes but never demotes never gets the best of its men. Let’s make this happen.

[Lucius]

I think it's a good idea. I would support the idea if it worked somewhat in the way of adding 1 "dmerit" per 3-5 earned merits.
I made a poll about in support. I think this could really change the community for the better.
URL to poll. All credits given.

~snip~
About having many accounts, I absolutely do not deny it. In fact, I have many low and high rank accounts...
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The summary is that I don't even know the number of accounts I have because it's not among the important priorities of my life.[/size]

I believe that this is just another in a series of alt accounts that the OP has, and it is really funny that he thinks that he is smarter than everyone else when he thinks that such naive tactics can help him in his plan. Now that he has completely exposed himself, I believe that his idea is to take revenge on some members with his alt account farm - but he has two very big problems - the first is to convince the admin to make a change in the merit system, and the second is how to we all pretend we don't know what he's doing.

This is pathetic. Your kind is actually one of the reasons why the demotion button should be implemented. So anyone that supports the idea is automatically my alt? Folks like you who live for signature campaigns think the world revolves around posting rubbish without thinking them through. The more you try to sount smart makes you come across as bland. And low-witted individuals like you see it as worthy of merit? I sure admit having perhaps a dozen accounts because the first time I encountered BTT, it was a Google ad showing someone selling Legendary accounts so I thought it's a place to do such. The fact remains that I attempted to sell just one account before I realized that a better way of making money off the forum is through services. I've since earned close to or more than $20,000. And that with only a single participation in signature campaign but mainly through services I render here and on Reddit. Those of you who are idle enough to go through a persons posting history can run through my alts that you know to understand if this is true or false. I have also built businesses that I focus on and so, the many account I set up earlier are of no consequence at the moment. Anyway, your low quality of reasoning as an old member is the reason why such a button is necessary.

You are just confirming that what I wrote is very likely true, and that you are using your alt accounts to try to influence the opinion of others to advocate a new merit system in which people like you with xx alt accounts would take away merits from everyone who got them honestly.

If you have knowledge that I or anyone else has abused the merit system in any way, be a man and open a topic in which you will present your evidence. As for signature campaigns, I have been on the forum for almost 10 years, and those who know me a little better know that I have been in such campaigns for more than 3 years without spending a single satoshi.

Unlike worthless parasites like you who abuse the forum with who knows how many alt accounts, I only have one and I'm not here just to earn something - I have enough money to live a comfortable life.

[LoyceV]

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Your kind is actually one of the reasons why the demotion button should be implemented.

What do you mean by "your kind"? Lucius has more than enough Merit to stand after removing all airdropped Merits.

It brings me to another thought though: what if all users without airdropped Merit get a different username color? Let's say green instead of blue. That makes it a lot easier to differentiate between airdropped and earned Merit. If this gets implemented, users with airdropped Merit should get the option to remove those and turn green.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Cool idea! That gives me the power to turn you back into a Newbie 3-5 times I hope you see where this is going to fail

Can you imagine the complains to demerit sources? 

It brings me to another thought though: what if all users without airdropped Merit get a different username color? Let's say green instead of blue. That makes it a lot easier to differentiate between airdropped and earned Merit.

I wouldn't want to be the black green sheep if I had airdropped merits. It's confusing and doesn't provide any important insights anyways. If you want to check if a user has airdropped merits, you can just check bpip. If that's not enough, then we can perhaps introduce a "merit airdropped" field in profile page.

The entire issue is a non-issue. Nobody has ever had a problem with distinguishing airdropped merit users, and even they have had, it is a harmless statistic anyway.

[LoyceV]

Cool idea! That gives me the power to turn you back into a Newbie 3-5 times I hope you see where this is going to fail

Can you imagine the complains to demerit sources?  

Let's make it more fun: 2 received deMerit gives you 1 sdeMerit (sendable deMerit)


No, I'm not serious. Let's not do this

[Stalker22]

The fact remains that I attempted to sell just one account before I realized that a better way of making money off the forum is through services. I've since earned close to or more than $20,000.
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Sure, buddy... Sounds like a great story!  It explains the cheating with alt accounts on those bounty campaigns for a lousy ten bucks here and there.

[EarnOnVictor]

It can be distressing to new members reading some of the posts from old members who should be knowledgeable but unfortunately bland. The quality of reasoning (and posts)  of many Legendary members is  appalling. This could be due to the fact that they were promoted before the introduction of the merit system or they simply bought a high-ranked account to spew rubbish on the forum.

With the rampancy of signature campaigns, the tendency for participants to type to meet quota (even if they don’t really make sense is high). This is why I think that a demotion (or demerit) button is appropriate. This would mitigate the preponderance of the disappointment in reading posts from some so-ranked Legendary sounding like it’s from a 12-year old.

You can implement this by adding a demerit button. If a member can rank up through a thousand merits, they should be demoted through a hundred De-merits. This could be open to members or assigned to moderators. You may also bestow demotion powers to intelligent reputable members like LoyceV, Yahoo62278, Notatether, Moccaccino, Logfiles, Suchmoon and others.

I share your view because most of the so-called high-ranked individuals are not just worth it, but we should also be cautious with the measures proposed. I replied to a thread yesterday relating to this demotion of a thing and I do not want to believe that it's a coordinated attempt by you guys. Regardless, I am neutral about this but would appreciate it if more vigilance is observed by members of the forum and stricter measures are taken by moderators and campaign managers. Honestly, it could be so annoying reading what some users are writing and seeing the shabby manner in which they write it as well. Guess what, these guys are in campaigns, so the campaign managers also have a lot to do in this regard. Fine, it's all about traffic for them, but thinking beyond that and specifically thinking of the sanity of the forum would go a long way in helping us all.

However, I will never support the demotion you suggested, and based on what I heard from a guy days back, the altcoin forum must have been conceiving this idea of late. Bitcointalk will not be a copycat, we are original. Aside from that, it is just too wicked and some people would use the advantage for evil purposes. It is the merit system we say is not perfect, not to talk of the DT system where tagging has been a punishing and biased tool in the hands of many wildering it. When I read and follow the reasons why some users were tagged, I get angry because it was never worth it. That's human nature for you, so don't let me get deeper into that. Enough measures have been provided already in the forum, and we can work around it. Let people continue to report those users to either their campaign managers or moderators of the sections, or both of them. It is the two that should do the needful and give reasons so that these useless posters can change their ways.

I suggest a temporary ban as well. It could be 2 weeks, 1 month, 3 months, 6 months and so on, depending on the offence and the time such users have been initially warned.

[Mrbluntzy]

This topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5486666.msg63721961#msg63721961was started by BenCodie through which I found this topic. I already wrote my opinion on the other topic by BenCodie.

I vote that th Demerit system should come live only on the condition that who ever misused it should be automatically banned from the forum, no second chance should be given.

That is how It should be done or let just the trust system remain to still be used to tag members who are spamming and shit posting.

[JollyGood]

To some degree it does get tiresome when reading about modifications members would like to see in the forum. When posting about the changes they would like to see implemented, in some cases members are merely attention seeking.

For me, this so-called demotion button modification is nothing more than another in a long line of requests that most probably will be (and rightly) ignored.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Yet again, another topic to emphasize the need for demotion... Don't be a pussy!! I'm gonna be real with you; you got a handful of merits and we all know how much You're pressing on to achieve them ranks  -- so is this supposed to be a kind of a weird way to keep tracks on other cus you can't grow in here? Is that anyone's fault? I meannn,  you should allow allow the lions roar if they want to..
DUDE, you're putting this up outta extreme frustration and it's obvious that you got nothing to lose should this system gets implemented.
Ps; it's either you're just being jealous and pained - excluding every fact that you claim to be the positive sides - or you're just another troll.

No, I'm not serious. Let's not do this

But why not? Afterall you're LoyceV, aren't you? bahahaha!!!

Hey theymos, and other members who are unclear about what OddJobsForBitcoin is talking about. He wants to use the demotion button for posts like this in which decodx shows with evidence of blockchain analysis that he has an account farm and sells Bitcointalk accounts.

we've gotten to an era where cheaters would boldly suggest a way to retaliate a scambuster for getting caught, doing his odd jobs..This idea was conceived as a result of not being able to evade the GREAT, red paint.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[BenCodie]

I think it's a good idea. I would support the idea if it worked somewhat in the way of adding 1 "dmerit" per 3-5 earned merits.
I made a poll about in support. I think this could really change the community for the better.
URL to poll. All credits given.

~snip~
About having many accounts, I absolutely do not deny it. In fact, I have many low and high rank accounts...
---
The summary is that I don't even know the number of accounts I have because it's not among the important priorities of my life.

I believe that this is just another in a series of alt accounts that the OP has, and it is really funny that he thinks that he is smarter than everyone else when he thinks that such naive tactics can help him in his plan. Now that he has completely exposed himself, I believe that his idea is to take revenge on some members with his alt account farm - but he has two very big problems - the first is to convince the admin to make a change in the merit system, and the second is how to we all pretend we don't know what he's doing.

I'm only just now seeing that I am being accused of being an alt of the OP.

...Really? So because I've supported an unpopular opinion, it makes me the same person as the one who shared the unpopular opinion first?

I suggest that you re-evaluate what you have said thoroughly. I'm really keeping my lid on after seeing these accusations so late.

...and I wonder why I find it personally so hard to come here and post nowadays. I really enjoyed this place when I became active again however the more I see posts like yours, filled with a baseless, bold and offensive accusation just because I supported an unpopular opinion, and much much worse posts that are on a consistent basis, I understand why I find it so hard to be here.