Hey Theymos, There Should Be a Demotion Button

[OgNasty]

People are obsessed with adding negativity to this site. The last thing the people who have destroyed the trust network’s legitimacy need is a new way to start harassing people on these forums. Take note of the folks that are for this idea and stay far away from them. That’s the best way to improve your forum experience.

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[The Sceptical Chymist]

What impression does it make on new members, especially now that Bitcoin is massively being advertised by big names like Blackrock?

On that point, I'd say "who cares?" because bitcoin is a different thing than a forum discussing bitcoin--even if it's the forum where everything got started.  Plus I would mention that Bitcoin Discussion is one of the worst sections here in terms of readability, and I don't think it's ever been because of rampant shitposting by high-ranking members.  In any case, Blackrock has diddly-zip to do with what Legendary members are posting here. 

And the impression newcomers get?  Most new members are only here to earn money, shitpost like crazy, and would rank up as fast as they could if the merit system didn't act as a gigantic barrier.

A ranking system should reflect competence, integrity and credibility of those it is bestowed upon. Unfortunately, the BTT system should be stremlined and made balanced through the implementation of necessary trade-offs. A system that promotes but never demotes never gets the best of its men. Let’s make this happen.

Oh, but it's much better than it used to be prior to the merit system, when members could create any number of accounts and rank them up simply by posting regularly for a long enough period of time.  I've got a problem with giving demerit powers to any members here, no matter how trusted they seem or how long they've been here.  The merit system isn't perfect, true, but I'd hate to see all of the potential abuse of demerits become real once one of those trusted members starts a feud with someone else....or just imagine whatever scenario you like.  DT members have turned out to be scammers, liars, you name it.  I'd rather have something closer to a democracy (or a meritocracy) than what sounds like an oligarchy.

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And the impression newcomers get?  Most new members are only here to earn money, shitpost like crazy, and would rank up as fast as they could if the merit system didn't act as a gigantic barrier.

And it is very possible for them to post in places where posts cannot be deleted or reported, such as in games and rounds or in ANN thread. I've noticed cases like this in the past where many posters had this habit of increasing their ranking before the merit system was introduced. In fact, it's not uncommon to find many newbie posting on off-topic board instead of posting in places that help them develop their skills and knowledge.

So yes, that is the impression I would have had about newbies had the merit system not been introduced. Of course, not all newbie are the same, it's just that many newbie have habits like that in many cases of discovery.

[Sandra_hakeem]

So yes, that is the impression I would have had about newbies had the merit system not been introduced. Of course, not all newbie are the same, it's just that many newbie have habits like that in many cases of discovery.

I was treated that way; every other new-era newbies must have been a little bit assumed to have no directive at all, and probably no motive... I got upset but after sometime in here, I began to realize the reasons why it happened.
bottom-line is that you gotta prove them wrong; There was this keen enthusiasm that users had before the merit system was introduced -- I wasn't here before then buh I've read fragment of posts and it's way different from what's happening today...
Well, the merit system isn't perfect but it has served alot of us from manually reporting way too many shit post... I meannn -- they don't even wanna post too much cus ain't nobody be meriting them lame post.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

[Troytech]

Demotion/demerit is a good way to encourage groupthink and punish dissenting opinions, so I don't like it. If you feel you read spam posts, hit the report button. No need to demote/demerit.
Plus, with so much drama on the reputation board, this feature most likely will be used for personal vendetta. It will also be more chaotic if the receiver can see who sent him the demote/demerit, and then expect retaliation. The current merit system is much better since it promotes positive attitudes, meanwhile, negative attitudes will be punished via report and moderation.

If the demotion button where to be approved I would do more chaos than good in the forum cause people would use It for more personal issues like retaliating for abuse or negative comments and it would really affect the balance of the forum and make it more like a mere social media or Reddit community.

The merit system is doing enough good now and I understand and know that at times getting merit can be quite an issue especially when there are so much active users on the forum posting everyday and with not enough merit sources to balance it out. I think the merit system as you said has done a good job promoting positive attitudes in the forum and has made many newbies step up there games and learn more since the merit now serves as ameans of recognition in the forum.

A ranking system should reflect competence, integrity and credibility of those it is bestowed upon. Unfortunately, the BTT system should be stremlined and made balanced through the implementation of necessary trade-offs. A system that promotes but never demotes never gets the best of its men. Let’s make this happen.

Oh, but it's much better than it used to be prior to the merit system, when members could create any number of accounts and rank them up simply by posting regularly for a long enough period of time.  I've got a problem with giving demerit powers to any members here, no matter how trusted they seem or how long they've been here.  The merit system isn't perfect, true, but I'd hate to see all of the potential abuse of demerits become real once one of those trusted members starts a feud with someone else....or just imagine whatever scenario you like.  DT members have turned out to be scammers, liars, you name it.  I'd rather have something closer to a democracy (or a meritocracy) than what sounds like an oligarchy.

If a downvote or demerit system where to be introduced it would cause a lot of drama between users and simple arguments or negative comments could turn into a demerit fight and sure you would see that some users here have so many friends, the merit system might not be the best right now and not all users are benefiting from it, but it has done its job by making everyone more serious especially those that want to participate in signature campaign and earn money, they all have to step up their games on the forum.

People are obsessed with adding negativity to this site. The last thing the people who have destroyed the trust network’s legitimacy need is a new way to start harassing people on these forums. Take note of the folks that are for this idea and stay far away from them. That’s the best way to improve your forum experience.

The trust system has been abused so many times on this forum and I think that is enough, IMO I don't think there shoudl be any addition to the merit system right now cause its doing a perfect job getting everyone to make good post, and I think that was the reason for introducing it in the first place, not a way to show beef or have forum fight or make a user feel less of himself by actually demeriting his post and I think this would have a very negative side effect on the forum.

[Smartvirus]

I get your point and the idea your postulating but, with the fact that, posts are what actually gets these merits and the ranks just comes as what is been conferred on a user based on their merit and activity accumulations, it feels odd that there should be a demerit system. It’s you indirectly saying, merits should be taken off a given post because, you’re not actually taking merits from the user, the user was never merited but, the user’s posts was.
How will you come to terms with that?
Perhaps if there should be any of such demoting system, I would say we already have it few forms.

Like we have in the wall of shame thread,
We also have DT members to note a few trash posters with tags,
Some campaign managers have got a blacklist for users that are suspected to fall in this category,
We also have the ignore button to keep them off sight.

Again, your rank doesn’t mean you know so much. Ideas are limited based on exposure and what niche you frequent. Not sure we need a demote system, it wouldn’t do any good.

[Pablo-wood]

The negative trust system solves the puzzle already. With a negative trust from a DT member the user is already halfway out of any campaign they are currently participating in or has little or no chance of been considered in any signature campaign at all.

 I was rather thinking a badge for the most earned merit for every week or month will have been increased post quality. How do mean? Look at it from this angle if there are is a badge given to users who earned more merit during a particular week or month and an algorithm written to verify this user Actually deserves the merit post quality will increase and campaign managers won't find it difficult recruiting participants and low quality posters will have no choice but to work on the qualifications of their posts.

[xLays]

I know this feature is never going to happen but if it does, it might be the end of BitcoinTalk and the signature campaign era and if it's not implemented properly. Imagine if someone with power were to demote others; this could easily be abused. I've never seen a forum with a ranking feature where members can get demoted. This isn't like the military or anything similar; implementing such a feature or action would be challenging.

[Wakate]

I know this feature is never going to happen but if it does, it might be the end of BitcoinTalk and the signature campaign era and if it's not implemented properly. Imagine if someone with power were to demote others; this could easily be abused. I've never seen a forum with a ranking feature where members can get demoted. This isn't like the military or anything similar; implementing such a feature or action would be challenging.

I don't really know why op would even bring this kind of suggestions to the forum where some persons are complaining of not getting enough merits and calling for the need for more merits to good posting habits. I still don't know how demeriting someone that have gotten merits would look like which sounds very odd to me. I think we need to be wise and do things in the way the ought to be not bringing suggestions that do not worth it or look absurd. No matter the reason, we don't need to think of undoing something that has already been normal.

[Mayor of ogba]

Do not take it personally because some members were airdropped free merit before the merit system was introduced, which made them achieve legendary rank. That is what you get when you are among the early birds, and you could have benefited from it if you created your account in that year or before that year. Don't expect to have the same merit as them because they have stayed in this forum for many years before you even created an account here. Some of them helped keep this forum up and running, which made you find it interesting to learn about bitcoin.

[KingsDen]

I know this feature is never going to happen but if it does, it might be the end of BitcoinTalk and the signature campaign era and if it's not implemented properly. Imagine if someone with power were to demote others; this could easily be abused. I've never seen a forum with a ranking feature where members can get demoted. This isn't like the military or anything similar; implementing such a feature or action would be challenging.

It is natural that one will look back at their early stages in life and discover how good they have grown and smile. It is not normal to look back and remember that your good days were in the past. I mean 2018 some was a legendary and 2024 they become snr member, it is not natural.

We even have trolls and spammers who are high-ranked members (Legendary trolls). This means that these chaps have never contributed something meaningful to the community debar having been around for ages. This ought not be so. What impression does it make on new members, especially now that Bitcoin is massively being advertised by big names like Blackrock?

Some users buy accounts, so don't get confused when such things happen. Everyone have their styles, some people like creating a confusion and misunderstanding atmosphere, such that they will use the opportunity to troll and complete their posts.

[cryptoaddictchie]

I know this feature is never going to happen but if it does, it might be the end of BitcoinTalk and the signature campaign era and if it's not implemented properly. Imagine if someone with power were to demote others; this could easily be abused. I've never seen a forum with a ranking feature where members can get demoted. This isn't like the military or anything similar; implementing such a feature or action would be challenging.

If theres a feature like this, then the forum will be cleanse. Not in the context how the demotion will be set based by OP. Apparently, more people are worried this could make them demoted right? But it could be rather a discipline approach on how not to break any rules. No one could have the power of demotion for proven bias. I can accept it if once will have a power of this is literally a good in  jugdement.

[Apocollapse]

The negative trust system solves the puzzle already. With a negative trust from a DT member the user is already halfway out of any campaign they are currently participating in or has little or no chance of been considered in any signature campaign at all.

Low quality poster doesn't deserve to receive negative feedback, that's why @OP ask this feature.

Negative feedback only for an user that high likely scam or obvious scammer, even you create 10K shitpost and never receive any merit, you won't receive negative feedback. Perhaps there's an user left negative feedback, but it's an abuse and other DTs might kick him out from DT.

[JollyGood]

Anything the OP seems to be spouting is nothing short of attention-seeking and that message cannot be stressed enough therefore to take anything he stated is basically not to be taken seriously. One glance at his trust and feedback will indicate the mentality behind what the OP does.

The OP knew before creating this thread that theymos would not give any attention to it yet it did not stop him from bringing more attention on to himself.

He has not logged in for several days, let us hope this is the last we have seen of the OP.