There is an abuse of merit

[GeorgeJohn]

Icefrag merit sent by hashuna

You don't need much to complain, this is pure merit abuse, it even seems that the both accounts belong to one person, even though it want to raise his alt is not abuse a merit system, some certain things is not suppose to be allowed to continue to repeating itself in this community, for this person to have done such maybe it emulate it from someone else, which is totally wrong, if these is not he/her account, both of them knows each other, we have to start now and condemn this attitude before it will turn to norms.

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[SamReomo]

Yes, it's a clear case of merit abuse and I think you're right the one who sent those merits might be the actual real owner or someone might have bought that account. This seems like growing a new account in a short time, but I'm not sure why would someone do that while having a high ranked account.

If we check it carefully then the account which sent those merits has Hero rank which's a good rank and such ranked member should not need to grow a new account while his real account is still not enrolled in a signature campaign.

I guess it could be case of merit purchasing, the one who sent those merits might have sold the merits and the account who got it might have bought those merits. No matter what's the real story of those merits, the thing is that it's a clear case of merit abuse.

[Myleschetty]

Icefrag merit sent by hashuna

I saw LoyceV bro post this from Merit earn from there. I gave an ID check, and from there, I saw how Merit got 50. I saw that a low-quality post was given 50 merit points. The account that gave the merit last posted on August 6, 2018, at 01:25:54 PM, then did not post again and became active on January 25, 2024, at 12:14:41 AM. The account post looks like it's a purchased account. The account has changed hands.
My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post?

That's only through inpatient merit-selling business transactions because there's no way an account with the history you posted will get 50 merits out of thin air without something involved. Even the world most silly person will understand there's something more to it.

 

Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused.

Yes, it is. However, it is not a must that good quality standard posts have to receive 150 or more characters.

Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

Maybe not. What we're seeing could only be a merit-selling transaction.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This is indeed merit abuse but this doesn’t mean that the account who received it will benefit on it in the future. There’s no way that account can join on signature campaign or can be trusted on loans once he/she apply.

Uh....why wouldn't that person not be able to join a campaign somewhere down the line?  There have been, are, and probably will be campaigns whose managers either wouldn't find out about this or wouldn't care.  As to benefiting from those 50 merits, that'll certainly speed up the ranking up process as long as hashuna keeps posting and gets enough activity.  I'd be willing to bet that it would take a lot longer had he not gotten those merits, since most newbies mainly post crap.

Great catch on this one, OP.  Just to be clear:  that post absolutely did not deserve 50 merits, and it's pretty clear the Icefrag account has changed hands.  I'm going to continue to read this thread and look into Icefrag's post history if necessary to confirm what seems obvious.

[reagansimms]

My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post? Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused. Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

Your assumption cannot be refuted, but there is no concrete evidence to say the two are connected. Maybe both are managed by the same person, he is trying to use the merit to develop other accounts. It's a bit suspicious to see this fact, Icefrag who just woke up from his sleep, suddenly throws 50 merits on a low quality post.
He seemed to have received a recommendation for misuse of merit, how could someone who had just woken up from a long sleep immediately find this topic made in Announcements (Altcoins). I fully support leonair assumption, perhaps the Icefrag account was hacked or sold to someone managing the hashuna account. In my opinion, his goal is very clear, he wants to improve his low rank account by utilizing sMerit from accounts that are already in the Hero Member rank.

[hugeblack]

Looks like a classic case of merit sales to me.
• User A has lots of farmed accounts and advertised merits for sale on telegram, discord or wherever else they do,
• When they get a buyer, they pick one of their accounts to send the merit through,
• They know this would have a negative impact on the receiver, but do not care much for that.

It would be a bad way to run a business if he sent 3-5 merits every 10 days. Most likely no one would notice that, but suddenly appear with 50 Merits, I do not think it is a behavior for selling merits, especially if seller is active on the forum.

It is not the first time and it certainly will not be the last, so you should not use merits as trust feedbacks.

[JollyGood]

What are potential cheats supposed to do when they are watching account farmers and literally some of the lowest of the low trying to rank up using any means necessary?

For example, when action is not taken when members are blatantly using purchased accounts and are lying about participating in charity events for people (namely those that contributed in the field of cryptology) that are no longer with us and are instead being rewarded with enough merits to get to 500 and then to see those accounts get selected for the spam fest campaign that is Stake and to make 99% of their posts spamming the gambling board. It encourages others to post in similar fashion.

Regardless of the manner in which a system has been set up to function, if there is any chance of cheating/manipulating it people will try to find a way. When merit abuse occurs, members should take action as a collective in order to send out a signal to members that try to cheat.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Watch how Hashuna argues with Mega22 very often. The latter repeatedly calls project a scam.
I wouldn't be surprised that the 50 merits were sent to give weight to Hashuna's account, but since Icefrag understands that it's not worth risking his high rank by promoting a scam, he sent the merits to another newbie account that he doesn't mind losing.
It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Mega22, since it is clearly not a matter of the desire to participate in signature, as someone writes. Mega22 clearly knows more, since he communicated in a telegram outside the forum.

[Elissa~sH]

Looks like a classic case of merit sales to me.
• User A has lots of farmed accounts and advertised merits for sale on telegram, discord or wherever else they do,
• When they get a buyer, they pick one of their accounts to send the merit through,
• They know this would have a negative impact on the receiver, but do not care much for that.

It would be a bad way to run a business if he sent 3-5 merits every 10 days. Most likely no one would notice that, but suddenly appear with 50 Merits, I do not think it is a behavior for selling merits, especially if seller is active on the forum.

It is not the first time and it certainly will not be the last, so you should not use merits as trust feedbacks.

I have noticed that many people do things like this, but it needs to be worked on. Care should be taken to prevent the misuse of merit. Many good posts have been done long ago, and still, newbies are benefiting from those posts, which were given more than 50 merits too long ago. Currently, it offers merit to average posts without maintaining quality. We don't see well about these issues: which of my posts will be given merit and which posts will not. I have noticed that merit is shown in some places that are not places to give merit.
Since this is an excellent forum with many rules, they should be maintained well. Everything must be done correctly. Randomly doing something on the forum means ruining its reputation.

Watch how Hashuna argues with Mega22 very often. The latter repeatedly calls project a scam.
I wouldn't be surprised that the 50 merits were sent to give weight to Hashuna's account, but since Icefrag understands that it's not worth risking his high rank by promoting a scam, he sent the merits to another newbie account that he doesn't mind losing.
It would be interesting to hear the opinion of Mega22, since it is clearly not a matter of the desire to participate in signature, as someone writes. Mega22 clearly knows more, since he communicated in a telegram outside the forum.

This scam needs to be revised; something needs to be done about it. For sending merit, such qualification will require a complete post where the post can be sent. But this is a post where so much merit is given. They neglect the matter of merit so much that it should not be ignored. Merit is given to those post ID who are eligible, and merit should always be considered. Having such a good account is possible if you know the general rules. I am not saying anything about them, but they must be aware of them. If they make such mistakes, the newcomers will not care if they see them.

[Mpamaegbu]

I do not think that @Icefrag is a merit source (can’t generate more merits.)

It's obvious the merit is from what theymos airdropped to all users to kickstart the Merit system in 2018. Judging from the accuser's post history, they last posted in August 2018 before this ongoing debacle this 2024. The account suddenly woke this year to splash 50 merit on a post that doesn't even deserve a single merit. It's a jaw dropping behaviour. Whatever made them do that is left to be understood.

To even think that the accused had been in the forum way back since 2013 makes it all surprising by that attitude. Perhaps it's a bought account. I suspect something isn't right there.

[JollyGood]

In these scenarios the one receiving the merits can state they received and have no control over the one who sent them (which can be true of course) therefore however unlikely, what are the chances both accounts are being operated by the same puppeteer? When it comes to this forum, very strange things have happened over the years and still continue to happen to this day, therefore is it an option?

I guess it could be case of merit purchasing, the one who sent those merits might have sold the merits and the account who got it might have bought those merits. No matter what's the real story of those merits, the thing is that it's a clear case of merit abuse.

[EarnOnVictor]

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I saw LoyceV bro post this from Merit earn from there. I gave an ID check, and from there, I saw how Merit got 50. I saw that a low-quality post was given 50 merit points. The account that gave the merit last posted on August 6, 2018, at 01:25:54 PM, then did not post again and became active on January 25, 2024, at 12:14:41 AM. The account post looks like it's a purchased account. The account has changed hands.
My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post? Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused. Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

Although, the merit system has no perfect modality for disbursement and I've seen many users delivering the 50 merits at once to other users. Just like franky1, he enjoys doing that at once. This could be at anyone's discretion since it's flexible, yet, I love it if it is being used wisely and distributed effectively instead of wasting it on just a post while other more meaningful posts are being neglected.

About your concern, the suspicion here is that the user who sent the merit was a dead horse that just arose again for the purpose of sending the merit. This could indeed be concerning but may not be as we thought of it at times. Regardless of how it is, it is certainly an abuse of merit sharing of the forum, especially when the post merited is not worth any merit, not to mention handing it a whole 50 merits at once. That's gross.

[Elissa~sH]

Although, the merit system has no perfect modality for disbursement and I've seen many users delivering the 50 merits at once to other users. Just like franky1, he enjoys doing that at once. This could be at anyone's discretion since it's flexible, yet, I love it if it is being used wisely and distributed effectively instead of wasting it on just a post while other more meaningful posts are being neglected.

I don't know if there is any method to send merit but for sending merit it must be a good quality post. There is no rule to award merit without merit. To send merit, it must be a good quality post only then merit can be given. I've also seen good quality posts get 50 or more merit majors at once. The posts I saw that sent 50 merits or more were very good quality merit posts. Here the post in which he gave merit was not given in full merit post. It is a misuse of merit.

About your concern, the suspicion here is that the user who sent the merit was a dead horse that just arose again for the purpose of sending the merit. This could indeed be concerning but may not be as we thought of it at times. Regardless of how it is, it is certainly an abuse of merit sharing of the forum, especially when the post merited is not worth any merit, not to mention handing it a whole 50 merits at once. That's gross.

The matter of sending talent is accepted but not so much is accepted in any way. It makes no sense for him to send so many merits to this post. These should be noted. Misuse of merit is that they must be warned against this, not everyone can send merit like this.

[kuriboh]

It is not right to give this post merit. It has been abused on merit. He should be warned about them. And this account is not used much. Sometimes wakes up.

[_BlackStar]

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I don't know if there is any method to send merit but for sending merit it must be a good quality post. There is no rule to award merit without merit. To send merit, it must be a good quality post only then merit can be given. I've also seen good quality posts get 50 or more merit majors at once. The posts I saw that sent 50 merits or more were very good quality merit posts. Here the post in which he gave merit was not given in full merit post. It is a misuse of merit.

The quality of posts is very subjective - so there is no benchmark that what some people consider low-quality posts is anything but quality to other users. However, to send 50 merit in one transaction there must be a clear reason – apart from the quality of the post, maybe something useful could also be the reason.

I can give you an example: Look at this one - hugeblack sent examplens as much as 40 merit in one transaction, it's clear why.

[Timelord2067]

Something people haven't considered is when a person intends to merit a post with one, two or even five merits and have inadvertently merited ten, twenty or possibly in this case fifty merits.

It's unwarranted for the OP to be earning merits for bemoaning that someone else got merits.

[EarnOnVictor]

Although, the merit system has no perfect modality for disbursement and I've seen many users delivering the 50 merits at once to other users. Just like franky1, he enjoys doing that at once. This could be at anyone's discretion since it's flexible, yet, I love it if it is being used wisely and distributed effectively instead of wasting it on just a post while other more meaningful posts are being neglected.

I don't know if there is any method to send merit but for sending merit it must be a good quality post. There is no rule to award merit without merit. To send merit, it must be a good quality post only then merit can be given. I've also seen good quality posts get 50 or more merit majors at once. The posts I saw that sent 50 merits or more were very good quality merit posts. Here the post in which he gave merit was not given in full merit post. It is a misuse of merit.

About your concern, the suspicion here is that the user who sent the merit was a dead horse that just arose again for the purpose of sending the merit. This could indeed be concerning but may not be as we thought of it at times. Regardless of how it is, it is certainly an abuse of merit sharing of the forum, especially when the post merited is not worth any merit, not to mention handing it a whole 50 merits at once. That's gross.

The matter of sending talent is accepted but not so much is accepted in any way. It makes no sense for him to send so many merits to this post. These should be noted. Misuse of merit is that they must be warned against this, not everyone can send merit like this.

That is it, when there are no further rules to back fair usage but entire freedom for the usage, there will be abuse (directly or indirectly), and this abuse is mostly not provable since there are many freedoms to it. No matter how people could defend this, I still believe that it is unless the post is intriguing, so respectable and above all adds huge value to the forum itself, it's only then that it could be worth the 50 merits at a go.  But I see some posts that are worth less than 2 merits attracting 50 merits at times. I mean very short posts with no serious worth of appreciation.

I don't care about what users do to defend this anymore, people are sending merits based on sentiment, that's a fact and sentiment doesn't make it perfect. I'm also done thinking about the merits system of a thing, it's not worth it and it is what it is. We should all live by it (fair or not) and try to be of quality with our posts mostly for the sake of the forum and not for the merit itself. If merits come, fine, and if it doesn't come, fine.

The most important thing is for your username to continue speaking of who you are, something which the merit system itself can't deny you.

[Smartvirus]

This is Merit abuse, but it's also allowed. An old shitposter woke up to send his airdropped sMerit to a new shitposter with a shitcoin ANN. This topic already gives him more attention than his shitcoin is worth.

But it’s allowed!
Well, I guess not having a clear definition to it which is something I am in on, as this would constitute the creation of threads that follows a pattern and even increase abuse so as it is, the case cannot be conclusively proven but, obvious abuses like this should be talked about at least.
In the context of condemnation to deter or discourage such habits in the future. On the knowledge of how the account doing the meriting just woke up, I see little reason to doubt it having to change hands. It’s the likely possibility but, users on here knows better than to see it for a base to trust activities promoted in this manner.

[Majestic-milf]

 For a user who has spent so much time in this place, this act of his just made him appear like a newbie. I know that giving merits differs from person to person but I went through that post and I didn't really see how @hashuna posts contributed anything of value to warrant such a ridiculous amount of merits. I've seen others get merited such an amount and if you look at it, they deserved it, but this just points to one thing; he's an alt to an account farmer.
 I also went through @Icefrag's post history and saw the guy mostly does his business in the altcoin section and most of his posts are usually one- liners and on further inspection, it shows he was online today by 8 or there about but hasn't come to clear his name here which can only mean he has nothing to defend himself with.
Some of these offenders just look to me like they are less concerned of the consequences of their actions and don't bother to feel sorry since they know they can always evade bans(if it comes to banning ) by using their numerous alts that weren't caught.

[coinerer]

Icefrag merit sent by hashuna

I saw LoyceV bro post this from Merit earn from there. I gave an ID check, and from there, I saw how Merit got 50. I saw that a low-quality post was given 50 merit points. The account that gave the merit last posted on August 6, 2018, at 01:25:54 PM, then did not post again and became active on January 25, 2024, at 12:14:41 AM. The account post looks like it's a purchased account. The account has changed hands.
My question is, how do I give 50 merit in this simple post? Merit is given to those who post good quality standards, but it is seen that merit is being misused. Merits are being offered to random posts that need to be noted. They are trying to grow new accounts using multiple accounts.

It is a complete abuse of merit. But even though you have posted it here for a long time, no action has been seen from DT members against it so far. Many have discussed here but no tag has been given for such abuse. 50 merit per 1 transaction on a Newbie account means the same person is managing both accounts. And now many signature campaign slots are seen empty for Full Member so it can be a plan to get full member rank quickly and join signature campaign. Another funny thing was that the Merited post was the last post from that account and since then that account has become inactive.  But here also the link between these two accounts is found that both accounts are inactive then the question is if these two accounts are not managed by the same owner then how can their activity be the same