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March 06, 2024, 09:35:41 AM
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It's not stupid to get some BTC when you can, either the price is high or not, you are only stupid if you invest all you have into BTC at once, nothing beats buying at a certain price right now and doing the same thing a week or month later, investing in BTC should be a gradual process, not all in an instant.

It's why new investors must not sleep on DCA, there is no way you are going to miss out, because BTC price isn't always the same in every month, and if you keep using DCA you won't worry about what this present value is.

The fools are those who don't buy anything, they never take any actions because they want BTC to go lower before they start buying, such people are the biggest fools in this crypto space, and I do hope that they learn their lessons, it's always risky to be out of bitcoin especially when the price tumbled over.

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March 06, 2024, 09:46:39 AM
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It's not stupid to get some BTC when you can, either the price is high or not, you are only stupid if you invest all you have into BTC at once, nothing beats buying at a certain price right now and doing the same thing a week or month later, investing in BTC should be a gradual process, not all in an instant.

It's why new investors must not sleep on DCA, there is no way you are going to miss out, because BTC price isn't always the same in every month, and if you keep using DCA you won't worry about what this present value is.


I see both sides here.  Dollar-cost averaging has merits for the average investor looking to mitigate risk.  However, for those with conviction in an asset's long-term trajectory, temporary pullbacks may present opportunities. 

Ultimately no strategy is one-size-fits-all.  DCA offers stability while lump sum buys enable one to capitalize on dips and  with crypto's volatility, the latter requires strong belief and risk tolerance.  Still having funds ready when blood is in the streets takes courage and may be rewarded.

The fools are those who don't buy anything, they never take any actions because they want BTC to go lower before they start buying, such people are the biggest fools in this crypto space, and I do hope that they learn their lessons, it's always risky to be out of bitcoin especially when the price tumbled over.

The people holding out for some massive drop in prices - they may just miss the ride completely.  Not saying it won't happen, but that's the chance they take dragging their heels.  In my experience the real fools in crypto are folks too frozen to commit one way or the other!

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March 06, 2024, 10:46:31 AM
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Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ?  Is there chance of major correction from here as prices have already peaked now.

I am not sure if you are getting your premises right based upon which you make your investment decisions or judge others' investment decisions. If something peaks, couldn't it be a buying signal? You should rather ask yourself why BTC is peaking again and whether there is good reason to assume that the network will continue to grow. Whether there is still potential for BTC to maintain or increase its rate of adoption. Whether there are other factors that could contribute to BTC's price to further increase.

I think in general being cautious during hypes is good, but making it a rule of thumb to refrain from investing in something that has peaked doesn't make a lot of sense. It is no level of analysis or anything, it sounds more like an ill-considered principle.

There are still people buying Amazon shares these days and I think there are more people thinking that Amazon can't grow any further than there are people thinking that BTC can't grow any further because Amazon literally controls the global market, everyone is using it (except for the Asian area, which is Alibaba) and Amazon is doing everything one can imagine from technology to nutrition and yet they are growing. If you look closer, you can understand why Amazon keeps expanding.

Familiarize yourself with important markers of BTC and then contemplate whether these markers have reached certain limits that you can make up for your own hypothesis. I guess you will see that there is room to grow for BTC.

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March 06, 2024, 12:16:24 PM
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Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ?  Is there chance of major correction from here as prices have already peaked now.

If you look at past prices, there had been no time when bitcoin investment was bad.. If you invested anytime in past 10 years and held it till now, you would always been in profit. So, again, if you are investing for long term, it does not matter at what price level you are investing. You will be profitable if you hold for 10 years. I think that growth in bitcoin prices will be faster in next 10 years in comparison to first 10 years of bitcoin.
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March 06, 2024, 01:42:48 PM
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Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ?  Is there chance of major correction from here as prices have already peaked now.
Investors who are investing in bitcoin now are not fools. Those investors might have been in doubt about bitcoin, but the recent bullish price in bitcoin might have made them change their minds about it, and they started accumulating it now. There is nothing wrong with accumulating bitcoin now if you have the money, because bitcoin is a long-term investment, like 4-5 years before you can gain a huge profit. You have to start somewhere if you want to accumulate bitcoin.

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March 06, 2024, 02:00:34 PM
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Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ?  Is there chance of major correction from here as prices have already peaked now.

These investors are the OG investors. They know the value and capabilities of Bitcoins. They know how Bitcoins have risen from nothing to becoming the highest available digital asset. They also know that Bitcoins are limited in numbers and now people are demanding to buy the coins. In order to meet the demands the price will also go up and at that time they will sell the coins to make the maximum profit from the coin. This is the reason for which they buying at current price also.

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March 06, 2024, 02:10:15 PM
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IMO its not dumb investing at/near ATH if you are sure it will go double or higher in the future as it should. Personally i would not do so, but the highs are where people sell and when the hype is highest. 
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March 06, 2024, 02:53:10 PM
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I see that you have been registered on the forum for more than 3 years Faisal2202, which may well mean that you have enough BTC.
You noticed well, but I am a bit greedy in terms of BTC, even if I had 1 BTC I would say I don't have enough BTC, but now I will say yeh, I saved some btc by doing DCA. Thanks to signature campaigns.
But if you don't have enough coins, then what?  You have to buy at some point.  When are you going to buy?  Did you buy today?  If not, then when are you going to buy.
I got your point, some people have to enter market at some time, there could be many possibilities or reasons of why one person invested back in time and why stopped back in time, and why investing or stopping now. I was simply trying to cover a few possibilities. In conclusion, I tried to say, If one really wants to take entry into the market, he/she should judge the market first and get some knowledge first to do that. After that, they can easily know which time is best for them to take entry. They might not get the best time to enter market but can get at least some of the benefit by judging it right. As OGz used to say no one can time the market fully.

We should not be presuming anyone else to be a fool in regards to their situation merely based on when they bought (including if they might have had been buying BTC in the last week) and/or if they are just getting started in BTC. We need more information before we would reasonably be able to know if they might have been approaching their bitcoin accumulation in a foolish way..
You are right, we should not call someone fool, we don't know the situation that person is in. I can't agree more with you and I was not trying to be rude by calling people fool or partial fool, I was just trying to shed some light on the OPs opinion who is calling them complete fool. I guess I add more rudeness to it by saying partial idiot.

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March 06, 2024, 02:54:47 PM
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Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ?  Is there chance of major correction from here as prices have already peaked now.
I admit that buying BTC at the peak of the highest price is not an ideal decision, but I don't think that means one is stupid.
I understand that the price of bitcoin is highly volatile which means its value can quickly and unpredictably spike or plummet at any time. Yes, even so I see that if one believes in the long-term potential of bitcoin, I think there is still a great possibility of making profits in the future. Especially if someone masters the basic techniques and goes deep, it will really help him and if there are losses to be had, it will probably be very minimal.
So in conclusion, in my opinion from some of the information I get if we want to get maximum results it depends on our own analysis (knowledge) and not only for BTC purchases, I think this can also be applied in other businesses.

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March 06, 2024, 05:18:32 PM
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I think that growth in bitcoin prices will be faster in next 10 years in comparison to first 10 years of bitcoin.

I don't agree with this because, in the last decade, Bitcoin's price has managed to touch new heights and went up multiple folds because it wasn't priced very high in the initial days and years, but now, the price has already become very high and for it to gain multiple folds from here or after this bull run, the price will need to touch millions and that doesn't sound realistic to think about.
You are right though that one shouldn't be considered a fool for investing even at current prices if they are investing for the long term because we all know and Bitcoin has proved it multiple times that investors that hold their assets for long-term tend to become profitable eventually.









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March 06, 2024, 05:22:18 PM
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Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ? 
It's not really a good idea buying Bitcoin at all time high as it stand now neither is the person buying a fool, having the mind set that Bitcoin is a long-time investment there is a possibility that Bitcoin will hit all time high ATH this year one could still make a huge profit from it who knows. Most successful business people we see today took risk in life to be successful but that doesn't mean one will invest all what he/she has to invest on Bitcoin at all time high.
Those investing now knows the capability of what Bitcoin can produce and also their profit when it hit all time high this year.

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While choosing Bitcoin over altcoins demonstrates a risk-averse strategy, it's crucial to recognize that entry timing significantly impacts investment outcomes. Purchasing any asset at its all-time high inherently carries greater risk, as future upward price movement is not guaranteed.

Market corrections are an inevitable reality within the financial world, including the cryptocurrency market. While predicting the exact timing of such corrections is impossible, preparing for them mentally and financially is essential. Panic selling during price dips often leads to suboptimal outcomes, and maintaining a long-term perspective is crucial for weathering market volatility.

Therefore, a strategic approach to investing in Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency is paramount. This involves thorough research, understanding of the underlying technology and market dynamics, and a risk tolerance assessment. Employing a dollar-cost averaging strategy can help mitigate the risks associated with market fluctuations by spreading investments over time.

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I see that you have been registered on the forum for more than 3 years Faisal2202, which may well mean that you have enough BTC.
You noticed well, but I am a bit greedy in terms of BTC, even if I had 1 BTC I would say I don't have enough BTC, but now I will say yeh, I saved some btc by doing DCA. Thanks to signature campaigns.
But if you don't have enough coins, then what?  You have to buy at some point.  When are you going to buy?  Did you buy today?  If not, then when are you going to buy.
I got your point, some people have to enter market at some time, there could be many possibilities or reasons of why one person invested back in time and why stopped back in time, and why investing or stopping now. I was simply trying to cover a few possibilities. In conclusion, I tried to say, If one really wants to take entry into the market, he/she should judge the market first and get some knowledge first to do that. After that, they can easily know which time is best for them to take entry. They might not get the best time to enter market but can get at least some of the benefit by judging it right. As OGz used to say no one can time the market fully.

I am not sure if you got my point, and I doubt that there is any necessity to study bitcoin prior to getting the fuck started.

One of the main problems that normie newbies have in regards to bitcoin is to get the fuck started.  The main thing that you have to figure out is if the $10 that you have in your wallet is needed for expenses or is it something that you would consider discretionary/disposable income, and if you have discretionary/disposable income then you can get started sooner rather than later.

Another part of the point is that if you have already assessed that you are either a nocoiner (which is not your case @Faisal2202) or a low coiner then you have to just keep on investing regularly, persistently and consistently.  Once you get enough and/or more than enough, then you can slow down. 

In other words, the mere fact that we just touched on ATHs in the last 48 hours, that still does not mean that the price will ever be lower than it is today... so if you have assessed that you don't have enough bitcpoin, then you keep buying until you have enough... you don't wait.  Waiting is not an accumulation strategy.

Don't get me wrong. If you are already buying BTC ongoingly, persistently and consistently, I don't have any problem with the idea of holding back some value for buying on dips.. but the main thing if you don't have enough BTC is to continue to buy, even if you might end up having a higher cost per BTC, what will be more important after 4-10 years or longer is that you look at your BTC wallet and you see that you have 1.56294315 bitcoin rather than 0.00812536 BTC.  even if you had to spent $40k for the larger stash rather than spending $200 for the smaller BTC stash. 

You are going to have way more options with more bitcoin, so long as you do not over do it and cause yourself to get recked.  You do not overdo it by buying BTC regularly, persistently and consistently, as long as you figure out your discretionary income and you are not spending from money that you need, which you should be able to figure out those kinds of relatively basis personal financial management matters.

We should not be presuming anyone else to be a fool in regards to their situation merely based on when they bought (including if they might have had been buying BTC in the last week) and/or if they are just getting started in BTC. We need more information before we would reasonably be able to know if they might have been approaching their bitcoin accumulation in a foolish way..
You are right, we should not call someone fool, we don't know the situation that person is in. I can't agree more with you and I was not trying to be rude by calling people fool or partial fool, I was just trying to shed some light on the OPs opinion who is calling them complete fool. I guess I add more rudeness to it by saying partial idiot.

Fair enough. 

There are some folks who might aggressively invest in bitcoin including buying more when the prices are going up and buying less when the prices are going down, so they are making a lot of mistakes along the way, but if they continue to buy and hold and don't over spend their budgets and they don't employ leverage or sell any of their bitcoin, then by definition when the next ATH comes they are going to be in profits no matter when they bought their coins.  So they might have some periods that they are looking foolish, but who is going to care 20 years down the road when they spent their first 10 years buying like crazy and at any price, then when it comes time to start spending them, they are likely going to have way more options than the person who was failing/refusing to act.

Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ?  Is there chance of major correction from here as prices have already peaked now.
I admit that buying BTC at the peak of the highest price is not an ideal decision, but I don't think that means one is stupid.

Without context, it does not hardly mean anything merely becuase someone starts to buy BTC right now, even if they might have had opportunities to buy in the past, and I am not even we can assume that from OP's lack of framing.

I understand that the price of bitcoin is highly volatile which means its value can quickly and unpredictably spike or plummet at any time. Yes, even so I see that if one believes in the long-term potential of bitcoin, I think there is still a great possibility of making profits in the future. Especially if someone masters the basic techniques and goes deep, it will really help him and if there are losses to be had, it will probably be very minimal.
So in conclusion, in my opinion from some of the information I get if we want to get maximum results it depends on our own analysis (knowledge) and not only for BTC purchases, I think this can also be applied in other businesses.

Why the fuck should any normie newbie even be striving to "maximize" results?  That is retarded. Yeah people think like that, but it is still dumb.

The main thing to do is to get started and to buy for a while, and there is no way that any of us are going to be able to "maximize our results," even if that were our goal.  We all make mistakes and BTC price moves both to the upside and the downside are outside of our control, so almost no matter what we do, we are not even going to get close to "maximizing results," and that does not even sound like a reasonable and/or smart perspective when it comes to investing into something like bitcoin.


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I think that growth in bitcoin prices will be faster in next 10 years in comparison to first 10 years of bitcoin.
I don't agree with this because, in the last decade, Bitcoin's price has managed to touch new heights and went up multiple folds because it wasn't priced very high in the initial days and years, but now, the price has already become very high and for it to gain multiple folds from here or after this bull run, the price will need to touch millions and that doesn't sound realistic to think about.

People always think that they missed the boat when it comes to bitcoin, but bitcoin is likely going to continue to go up, and yes it is likely to go up to $millions, but is it not guaranteed and we don't know how long it will take to get to $ millions.

On the other hand, you don't need to make millions in order to profit stupendously off of bitcoin, even if it has modest returns, and if you are worried about how much it might return, then invest whimpily into it, rather than aggressively, and you likely will still end up doing well, except  you may well be regretting that you had not invested more aggressively.

Part of the definition of an asymmetric bet to the UPside (which bitcoin seems to be) is that the most that you can lose is 100% of what you invest, as long as you don't employ leverage or engage in other unnecessary risk taking plays.

You are right though that one shouldn't be considered a fool for investing even at current prices if they are investing for the long term because we all know and Bitcoin has proved it multiple times that investors that hold their assets for long-term tend to become profitable eventually.

At least you got this part right.

Therefore, a strategic approach to investing in Bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency is paramount. This involves thorough research, understanding of the underlying technology and market dynamics, and a risk tolerance assessment. Employing a dollar-cost averaging strategy can help mitigate the risks associated with market fluctuations by spreading investments over time.

We are talking about bitcoin here and not shitcoins.  Furthermore DCA and long term investing works with bitcoin, and not necessarily with shitcoins, so yeah, you may well have to study shitcoins prior to investing in them and also figure out your in and your out strategy.  So even teh idea of buying shitcoins is different from investing into bitcoin for 4-10 years or longer.  With shitcoins, you may well be quite nervous to get involved in any of them more than just on the swing, which is more like gambling rather than investing..

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March 07, 2024, 06:19:06 AM
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Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ?  Is there chance of major correction from here as prices have already peaked now.
Call them fool when the price suddenly drops hard and will never grow again forever ,but talking
about bitcoin will always make its way going back to its old ATH and for me? that is more practical than
just investing in total shitcoin that you don't even know what will be the future while bitcoin keeps growing
each Halving after.

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March 07, 2024, 06:44:45 AM
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Love it or hate it, the best time to have buy most bitcoin was in 2022 and 2023, that was the lowest for Bitcoin, 17k and 15k, unfortunately people are looking forward to 10k even when ETF approval is looking more possible.

There is still nothing bad buying now, but the best move was buying way lower, those who bought at 15k are already in massive profits right now, they might not even need to wait for a new all time high anymore, this is what smart investors do, when there is disbelief in the market, you should be brave enough to push the buy button.

Bitcoin will make a new all time high for sure, but we don't know how high it will go, I will advice to buy slowly because of possible pullback and don't expect a massive profit buying at the present price.
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March 07, 2024, 06:57:08 AM
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Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ?  Is there chance of major correction from here as prices have already peaked now.
Call them fool when the price suddenly drops hard and will never grow again forever ,but talking
about bitcoin will always make its way going back to its old ATH and for me? that is more practical than
just investing in total shitcoin that you don't even know what will be the future while bitcoin keeps growing
each Halving after.

Bitcoin has not gotten to its final all time high but only equalled it's former all time high, so purchasing Bitcoin now is not being stupid when there are still many opportunities ahead to still make good profit. In times like this, after few pump there is always room for correction and it is expected yet doesn't affect those who wants to invest. It's good trying out the DCA approach towards investing now, incase the correction comes will also enter at the low price.

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March 07, 2024, 07:52:00 AM
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Uncertainties will not allow some investor to understand there's still chance for them to gain in bitcoin investment in respect that every body is saying that bitcoin has already reach ATH that doesn't mean it will make another history ia ATH apart of getting to the value $69k there still bigger chance for new investor to win and gains alot of profit because bitcoin has been the only coin which has been growing widely and vastly behind the whole market cap...

I will always encourage people to start anytime you think you have to start there is no best way to than getting started I can't advise you to go down and start picking those shit coins that has no value and we don't even know if it has a future I can't give such advice to anyone (investors).....

I read a post few days again and someone who never knew that bitcoin will ever get to $69k was saying that bitcoin reach the final ATH that is no longer going to grow any bit again I was so shocked when I see and read how sound the yound guy was saying it I just shook my head and scroll it up you know some people don't understand how this things works that is why they are limiting themselves along thinking they are limiting a bitcoin that is used almost all the universe...

So what I am trying to say here is that bitcoin hasn't start growing yet it can get to $100k by the end of the half year it is possible if you are lead altogether to invest go ahead and do so nothing can stop you from losing you will only have to exercise a little patience and watch yourself grow in the market along with your bitcoin......

So I will say that it is not stupidity  for an investor who found it interesting to invest in bitcoin at ATH now

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March 07, 2024, 08:56:54 AM
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Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ?  Is there chance of major correction from here as prices have already peaked now.

Usually this is true for people who don't have a specific plan with their investments, and are just coming to the market on a shortterm basis hoping to see quick profits, but perhaps they also are victims of ignorant FOMO.

Whether buying now or at ATH, understand that bitcoin's price rise has just begun and it is only a matter of time before it reaches a new ATH, the only thing to do for those who don't want to do research much is patience. Although the current period of bitcoin volatility is large, it always comes with opportunities/risk for everyone. If you make good use of it, it's natural to laugh out loud with your investment.

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March 08, 2024, 02:25:56 AM
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Are investors investing in Bitcoin at ATH now are fools ? 
It's not really a good idea buying Bitcoin at all time high as it stand now neither is the person buying a fool, having the mind set that Bitcoin is a long-time investment there is a possibility that Bitcoin will hit all time high ATH this year one could still make a huge profit from it who knows. Most successful business people we see today took risk in life to be successful but that doesn't mean one will invest all what he/she has to invest on Bitcoin at all time high.
Those investing now knows the capability of what Bitcoin can produce and also their profit when it hit all time high this year.
Accumulating bitcoin in the bear market is better than accumulating bitcoin when the price is at its peak because you will accumulate most of your bitcoin at a low price. But if you have any money, you will not be using it for a long time, and you want to accumulate bitcoin now. Since bitcoin is a long-term investment, you can accumulate and still make a big profit if you hold it for a long time and never sell at a low price. Using all your money to invest in bitcoin is not a good idea. You will end up selling your bitcoin because you did not make provision for a reserve fund that you will use to settle your unforeseen financial problems.

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