Provision for increasing available merit every year by some amount

[arhipova]

Is there a provision for increasing available merit every year by some amount? This is needed because new members are also joining the forum daily and thus the available merits quantity should be adjusted accordingly.

[1714733197]

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Theymos is giving certain amount of smerits to merit sources every month. Merit sources can send some of the smerits to quality posts.

[JeromeTash]

The forum admin increases spendable merits to some existing merits sources from time to time on request or depending on how active the merit source has been. Other times new merit sources are approved but this doesn't happen every day or every week. We have to wait until he acts again. I think that time is about to happen.

[Orpichukwu]

I don't know how much total smerit is being auto-generated for merit sources, but if you combine all the smerit together, both the merit source and the ones the members earn, and half of it is brought in as sendable, I think it should be more than enough to serve the community. 
 
Even if the admin decides to increase the number for the source on a daily basis, it's left to the source to either distribute it or not; if it's being stored in one place, then the purpose for it won't be served.
 
Giving merit out to someone is just a choice and not a compulsory action, but still, I don't see the point in holding back merit in any way. If you see posts that deserve merit, you don't need to be a source before you can merit them. 

[Rikafip]

Merit is adjusted when there is a major drop in the amount of meeit shared, not just because "new people" keep coming in as even more people are leaving/being less active. For example, in 2023 total number of posts dropped by almost 30% compared to the year before, while number of merit shared remained pretty much the same, which means its even easier than before to get merit.

The only time when theymos adjust this is when he notices major drop in the amount of merit shared and that number has been pretty consistent for the last few years.

[Helena Yu]

After looking at the stats created by DdmrDdmr, there's a decline on the last month, previously it's stays around 5K-ish. There were few merit sources inactives, passed away, or any other personal reasons that could be the reason why the merit is declining, but I believe the forum didn't lack of sMerit.

It's because there are not many posts deserved to be merited because most of the posts I read on the last month always discuss about DCA and price predictions that has been discussed multiple times. Although there's an another reason that some users tend to give merit on their gangs, locals, friends etc.



https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ddmrddmr/viz/BitcointalkMeritDashboard/GlobalSummary

[hugeblack]

The last collective update to the list of merit sources was about two or three years ago, and since then this list has been updated case by case and I think the last update was last December, when Symmetrick/Ratimov stopped posting.
Over the past year, a number of sources have been added or removed, but as I mentioned, it is case by case.
If you think there is a problem with the distribution of Merit in a particular board, you can obtain more statistics and post them here. I believe that merit sources will help (at least I am willing to cooperate)

[MusaMohamed]

Is there a provision for increasing available merit every year by some amount? This is needed because new members are also joining the forum daily and thus the available merits quantity should be adjusted accordingly.

People join the forum and there are other members leave the forum. I can't say the In is bigger than Out or oppositely.

Merit is dropped to merit sources every month and the forum does not lack of merit for distribution. What needs is quality of post and quality posts will get merit, non quality posts will not get merit.

If a poster makes many non quality posts and don't get any merit, it does not mean the forum does not have enough merit for distribution.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Merit sources

There are 109 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 33140 sMerit per 30 days

[EarnOnVictor]

Is there a provision for increasing available merit every year by some amount? This is needed because new members are also joining the forum daily and thus the available merits quantity should be adjusted accordingly.

You don't seem to explain what you really want correctly, is it for individual users or the merit sources? For the merit sources, I think that two things are constantly changing behind the scenes, and they are the DT status and the merits allocations. The two are being upgraded and downgraded for users at some time, so what you might be asking is being fixed.

However, do not forget that adding merits to the ones the merit sources are getting monthly doesn't and will not change the merits reaching you, the forum's current system will make sure of that, except that those who have been getting it before will get it even more. The only thing that can make a huge change is a complete overhauling of it.

[LoyceV]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources

Merit sources

There are 109 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 33140 sMerit per 30 days

And roughtly the same amount as sent by Merit sources can "trickle down" to other users to send.

In the past 8 weeks, 43568 sMerit was sent:

Total: 1704769

Total: 1748337

That translates to about 23600 sMerit per month. I don't know how many of those came from Merit sources, but it's far from the maximum.

Of course, there's also this:

It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical.

Either way, Merit isn't scarce. Good posts are. Prove me wrong!

[Lucius]

~snip~
Either way, Merit isn't scarce. Good posts are. Prove me wrong!

I'm not going to prove anything, so although I don't know where all these distributed merits end up, I haven't received a single one for some time - which leads me to the conclusion that I don't write "good posts" or that most MS ignore me

[Majestic-milf]

If a poster makes many non quality posts and don't get any merit, it does not mean the forum does not have enough merit for distribution

I agree with this. You don't get to know if the merit distribution is easily flowing if you are not a quality poster because you can make a hundred posts and not get merited up to twenty and you'd think there are no merits in circulation. Although if it's from the angle of giving newbies merit, it would seem as if Theymos is looking for an incentive to keep them here. Just like a user said, there are those who register and still leave, some for failing the rules, others for reasons best known to them.
 If a newbie is being registered, that's not a criteria to disburse merits, its not like some giveaway thread or airdrop stuff.

[uchegod-21]

Is there a provision for increasing available merit every year by some amount? This is needed because new members are also joining the forum daily and thus the available merits quantity should be adjusted accordingly.

Not just because new members are joining, but also because some merit sources are inactive and recently the most active one - Leo left.

I don't know how much total smerit is being auto-generated for merit sources, but if you combine all the smerit together, both the merit source and the ones the members earn, and half of it is brought in as sendable, I think it should be more than enough to serve the community. 

If only it is being circulated. Some merit sources have very high standards of giving out merits and some give to only their friends. Merits hardly reach an average unpopular user. So, the smerits supplied by theymos is higher than the one circulated.

Even if the admin decides to increase the number for the source on a daily basis, it's left to the source to either distribute it or not; if it's being stored in one place, then the purpose for it won't be served.

This seems to be what is happening. Some merit sources don't even bother. I don't blame them because they are not paid for it. It is not a job and some of them didn't even ask for it or applied for it. Yet, there are few ones trying their best to distribute merits and even by creating merit earning threads.

Giving merit out to someone is just a choice and not a compulsory action, but still, I don't see the point in holding back merit in any way. If you see posts that deserve merit, you don't need to be a source before you can merit them. 

It is a choice for earned smerits but somehow more than a choice for merit sources.

[Shamm]

Is there a provision for increasing available merit every year by some amount? This is needed because new members are also joining the forum daily and thus the available merits quantity should be adjusted accordingly.

In order to not being abuse there's a limitations of sMerit counts received by the merit source here in our community and they will circulate that by giving for those quality post and thread anywhere as long as they understand . Yes you are right that mate every day there are many accounts got registered but not all of those are purely newbies some of them are have enough knowledge about cryptocurrency and Bitcoins and start sharing their knowledge. So the merit source will review his/her account and once founded that users are knowledge by creating a quality thread then some users give their sMerits for that account.

[stompix]

This is needed because new members are also joining the forum daily and thus the available merits quantity should be adjusted accordingly.

There could be 1 million newbies joining each day, the problem is, do they make 1 million merit worthy posts?
Also, why would newbie be straight interested in merit from day one, wasn't this whole thing about learning, contributing and not aiming for a rank that allows you a signature?  

I'm not going to prove anything, so although I don't know where all these distributed merits end up, I haven't received a single one for some time - which leads me to the conclusion that I don't write "good posts" or that most MS ignore me

Or maybe you're lurking in different areas lately? I had a feeling lately I'm encountering less a few of the usuals despite when checking they are still quite active, you're not the only one from the old gang I thought was taking a break. Also, I just broke your dry spell  , I've turned into a merit hoarder, sometimes I even forget this thing exists.

[Coyster]

Is there a provision for increasing available merit every year by some amount? This is needed because new members are also joining the forum daily and thus the available merits quantity should be adjusted accordingly.

Source merits and MS's are adjusted by Theymos when he thinks there is a need for it, but other than that, non-MS's have to earn their own Smerits through their posts and give it to posts they think are of good quality. The admin is not going to make provisions of "Smerits" for new users who are joining the forum, Bitcointalk is a forum for Bitcoin discussion and other whatnots, thus newbies should start off without worrying about merits and when they eventually start making quality posts, they are going to earn merits from MS's and other users.

[YOSHIE]

Is there a provision for increasing available merit every year by some amount? This is needed because new members are also joining the forum daily and thus the available merits quantity should be adjusted accordingly.

Newcomers don't need to worry about getting (Merits), as long as they are able to make appropriate and worthy posts, of course they will get whatever achievements, their efforts and posts will be appreciated, some of the members above have explained this for you.

The problem is, don't make posts like this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2084932;sa=showPosts;start=100, it is not rewarded with achievements, even though every day there are more than 2 million new entrants registering here.

@LoyceV, you have provided an overview of the increase (Merit), in essence the achievement is never reduced for newcomers, as long as they show good posting quality.

[Doan9269]

Is there a provision for increasing available merit every year by some amount? This is needed because new members are also joining the forum daily and thus the available merits quantity should be adjusted accordingly.

We can't Know if something of this already existsed or not since someone like me and you aren't a merit source, but I've seen occasions whereby some merits sources apply for increase in their merit bank allocation for each month to increase and I think Theymos granted some, this also calls for more attention needed to be given to all already existing merit source applications, since the forum is increasing yearly in numbers and the merit sources are not as much as they were before or year back, so I will go for the two, increasing the merit monthly allocation for those that needed such and reviewing merit source applications.

[Lucius]

Or maybe you're lurking in different areas lately? I had a feeling lately I'm countering less a few of the usuals despite when checking they are still quite active, you're not the only one from the old gang I thought was taking a break. Also, I just broke your dry spell  , I've turned into a merit hoarder, sometimes I even forget this thing exists.

No, I stick to mostly the same boards as before, and have roughly the same number of posts as before with usual activity. Maybe it's a good thing that the merits end up somewhere else, especially if those who need them for ranking get them. Thanks for breaking the dry spell, although it would be interesting to see how long it would last - maybe I would set some new record without merit with daily activity - maybe next month

[Faisal2202]

Is there a provision for increasing available merit every year by some amount? This is needed because new members are also joining the forum daily and thus the available merits quantity should be adjusted accordingly.

I don't think if there is some quota of merits that the admin has set to release in the market (forum), but I do know that the way of releasing new merits in the forum is via merit sources and local merit sources. They are given some specific amount of merits by the admin to be shared among other members of the forum. And you can check those merits on merits sources ID if searched on BPIP because it will show only the merits that they have earned not the ones that they have got from the admin.

Well, I think there is no quota because many members apply for merit sources, and the admin selects very few, so keeping this factor in mind, I can say even if the admin has set some quota at the start of the year, he/she won't be able to follow that quota because many people apply for merit source and local merit sources, so the quota can exceed the need. If you are struggling with getting merits, then I suggest you to share valuable posts, besides that, earning merits is not a hard task (Look who is saying it, who doesn't earn merits that much now hehe).