Can gambling sites provide proof of auditing that was done on their RTP?

[zarintasnim]

I think it's a really important topic. We never try to know that gaming software is checked by any regulated authority to check their software before starting a game. we only throw money and start to play games. But we should ask them if it is audited or not for this way we can play a safe game. Most of the players choose high RTP. They think high RTP gives them the most winning probability. But casino most of the time depends on your luck. Fair audit reports are always in course for their player to participate game. But unfortunately, most of the casinos don't show.

[Yogee]

[...]But unfortunately, most of the casinos don't show.

How many online or offline casinos have you visited and how many of them do not show? It has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread that there's a way for a player to verify randomness of game from third party providers. It's also been said that they are regularly audited by license providers. The real issue here is the audit of in-house games.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

It has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread that there's a way for a player to verify randomness of game from third party providers. It's also been said that they are regularly audited by license providers. The real issue here is the audit of in-house games.

This is how this board works.

Step 1: Someone who has no clue asks a legit question.
Step 2: Someone who knows the industry answers it.
Step 3: 99 signature spammers enter the thread and twist/deform/reform the topic for the sake of post count, without reading what happened before.
Step 4: The first two people have no fkn clue what happened and where to go after that so they disappear
Step 5: The thread stays unlocked and more spammers enter the argument, like Zarintasnim above.

And then sometimes, if I'm having a particularly bad day, I either report the comment or ask the admin to lock the thread.

[Coin_trader]

It has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread that there's a way for a player to verify randomness of game from third party providers. It's also been said that they are regularly audited by license providers. The real issue here is the audit of in-house games.

This is how this board works.

Step 1: Someone who has no clue asks a legit question.
Step 2: Someone who knows the industry answers it.
Step 3: 99 signature spammers enter the thread and twist/deform/reform the topic for the sake of post count, without reading what happened before.
Step 4: The first two people have no fkn clue what happened and where to go after that so they disappear
Step 5: The thread stays unlocked and more spammers enter the argument, like Zarintasnim above.

And then sometimes, if I'm having a particularly bad day, I either report the comment or ask the admin to lock the thread.

I understand the pain of being flooded as if no one reading your post. I suggested a feature on the forum before to provide top answer feature on every thread so that a discussion thread will not be hard spammed when someone already provided the correct answer to the main question of the thread.

The problem on this board is no one reads previous post due to the tons of post need to back-read and just go directly with their opinion.

I hope the OP update this thread and put your answer on the front page. @Kakmakr

[LUCKMCFLY]

I would rather play on an online live poker table like Pokerstars where I know that everything is regulated and managed properly, than in an offline casino where you know that the dealer can do random stuff. 

Excuse me, how are things going with pokerstar.net? I haven't played there for years, I can't deny that when I had my first dollars on Paypal I put them there on the platform, but the level of poker there was impressive, people who play poker like professionals, in fact there are guides to play and The strategies are pure gold, I only played a couple of times, I couldn't because at that time they blocked transactions in my country from Paypal, of course it was the fault of the government in power and I couldn't play there anymore, but of course I found that all the platforms PvP in poker are the best, and it's a shame that pokerstar hasn't included the option to play with bitcoin or any crypto, I think this way more people came in who are somewhat restricted from playing there, so I discovered that it's a good platform to play. pvp poker was Betcoinpóker, but you had to download the software.

[goaldigger]

[...]But unfortunately, most of the casinos don't show.

How many online or offline casinos have you visited and how many of them do not show? It has been repeatedly mentioned in this thread that there's a way for a player to verify randomness of game from third party providers. It's also been said that they are regularly audited by license providers. The real issue here is the audit of in-house games.

For many players they are too busy to make effort auditing the fairness of every game and maybe that’s why it’s easy to have the reports from the site unfortunately they are not disclosing it for some reason and maybe this is also to protect their platforms to any speculation. Having an in-house auditing might also create trust issues, if you have time and know how to review the fairness of the game then better to do it on your own.

[Dunamisx]

I think it's a really important topic. We never try to know that gaming software is checked by any regulated authority to check their software before starting a game. we only throw money and start to play games. But we should ask them if it is audited or not for this way we can play a safe game. Most of the players choose high RTP. They think high RTP gives them the most winning probability. But casino most of the time depends on your luck. Fair audit reports are always in course for their player to participate game. But unfortunately, most of the casinos don't show.

Its not every gambler that tend to check on the gambling platform RTP, because they don't have time for that and may not want to either waste time and effort on doing so, all they want is to make use of the platform and gamble, i don't think as well some of the gambling site will love to have their auditing made public to the world in some certain case, except if the regulatory authorities requested for it.

[betswift]

RTP is calculated automatically, depending on the games played, so you want to find the most popular games, and it will show the most accurate RTP!

The provider can probably provide the most accurate RTP for their games because they have all the statistics!

[Coin_trader]

RTP is calculated automatically, depending on the games played, so you want to find the most popular games, and it will show the most accurate RTP!

The provider can probably provide the most accurate RTP for their games because they have all the statistics!

You are missing the point here, the OP wants a way to verify whether the RTP provided by the game provider is correct since only the the provider itself can show the statistics about profit to total wager ratio.

I believe the concern is game provider might showing not updated RTP in case the actual RTP result is much lower to the displayed RTP of their slot games. Having the statistics in public or there’s an official audit in online slot games will solve this kind of speculation.

[danadc]

RTP is calculated automatically, depending on the games played, so you want to find the most popular games, and it will show the most accurate RTP!

The provider can probably provide the most accurate RTP for their games because they have all the statistics!

You are missing the point here, the OP wants a way to verify whether the RTP provided by the game provider is correct since only the the provider itself can show the statistics about profit to total wager ratio.

I believe the concern is game provider might showing not updated RTP in case the actual RTP result is much lower to the displayed RTP of their slot games. Having the statistics in public or there’s an official audit in online slot games will solve this kind of speculation.

That must be very easy to demonstrate, but a report that they make and demonstrate through their systems is completely demonstrable, I don't know, but the difficulty that casinos have to measure the entire process so that they realize that what they are doing is transparent. They do it, it's something that makes me think that there is no problem, what they have to do is get permission from the casinos to do it, but that is an internal matter, it is what everyone is looking for.

Now if they don't want to show these records, it makes one think that things may be a little Suspicious, and it's strange, every casino does its internal audits and there Shouldn't be any problems, on the contrary, if they want a record to demonstrate such things they Should do it.

[alastantiger]

Because of the reasons above, the slots operators/casinos dont need nor able to provide an audit of the RTP/RNG because the slots operators do not have a direct access to that program.
And Im sure many people are still not aware that they play their favorite slots with non standard RTP on certain sites.

What this means now is that we should not just sign up and start playing but we should look if there's no RTP on the casino website and that it is a sign that we shouldn't play slots? Also is there a particular number or percent that should be a good sign that the casino slot is a good one to play at ?

[Outhue]

I won't worry much about third part games providers, since they do not even belong to the online casino that says a lot, either audited or not I don't care, but if the games belong to the casino that is where there will be some suspicions, casino in games can be tampered and fine tune to how they want it, with third party providers there shouldn't be a problem.

Find the one that works best for you, as for me, I will choose a big casino that already has some reputation to protect and I will use a small amount of money to keep trying my luck, you can't play for a very long time without winning at all, and you can easily change the casino or the third-party provider.

It makes no sense for any online casinos to show their customers any proof of audit, only the regulators or the authorities can ask for such information, as a gambler all you need to look out for is the reputation of the online casino you want to use for gambling.

[CryptSafe]

You have a nice question going by your topic of discussion here. I believe casinos are audited by government agencies designated for such activities be it online or offline casinos but I believe there is always a mutual agreement between both parties to keep it away from the public as the case maybe if I am not mistaken.

Nobody would want to reveal their strategies or secret how they make gains publicly as that is a secret they have in staying firm in the industry where they belong or whichever way. The best I believe they can do is maintaining a good reputation and being transparent in their dealings with their clients or customers.

[Synchronice]

Companies that develop Slot games get audited. For example, NetEnt games are audited by eCOGRA, iTech Labs and by some other 3rd party organisations. Pragmatic Play also gets audited and are certified by GLI. Basically, type in Google who audits "provider name" and you'll find answers. I know that such a big slots providers are forced to get audited, otherwise they won't be able to develop their games and provide wide audience with their slots games.
Live casinos can also get audited, for example, Evolution is audited by Öhrlings PricewaterhouseCoopers AB. You can check the result of audits in their Annual Reports.

As far as I know, the in-house games of crypto casinos are not audited and they rely in provably fair system. I am not 100% confident in this but I hope any casino owner, representer or employee will enlighten us.

[mak013]

I don`t have any proves but i think that it is really easy to audit online casino. Their RTP must be in the code of the games. So, it would be enough to get access to the site/github/etc to the auditors.
But i think that it is possible to casinos with local license. I don`t sure that someone cares about Curacao license.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

So, it would be enough to get access to the site/github/etc to the auditors.

You think that the code of the slot games is available on the site or uploaded as a project on github?

[danadc]

I don`t have any proves but i think that it is really easy to audit online casino. Their RTP must be in the code of the games. So, it would be enough to get access to the site/github/etc to the auditors.
But i think that it is possible to casinos with local license. I don`t sure that someone cares about Curacao license.

To see that, do you have to follow those protocols? Isn't this Better because you are always available to verify the veracity of these Processes ? I Understand that this should always be available, when playing on say all these things are Available, it is always like that, but in the slots that have that type of RTP things can be put that way, I am Very Distrustful , I know that This is not something that causes any Discomfort , but as we are seeing things with Blockchain they should always be like this, in this case it always has to be Considered that way, therefore when we are Playing it should be Displayed Without so much protection, that makes people as if they were hiding Something.

[AbuBhakar]

So, it would be enough to get access to the site/github/etc to the auditors.

You think that the code of the slot games is available on the site or uploaded as a project on github?

This sarcasm is brutal. 


What’s the main reason slot game provider doesn’t want to share their source code? Is it for security purposes or they don’t want to get copied by competitors. This is a long time question here in the forum before when slot games is new since we are used to play on decentralized games like dice which every game is transparent and can be verified fairness.

Is being open source is evem possible for slot games?

[seoincorporation]

The real question here is, should we audit the Casino RTP? I think that's a bad term because the slots games come from providers, is what we call a third-party... and that lead us to the next paradigm:

If a user on stake.com lose 1000 bets on the sweet bonanza slot, can a user from bc.game win big on that same slot? I'm not sure if the RTP is part of the casino or part of the slots provider, but that should be something to think about.

[mak013]

So, it would be enough to get access to the site/github/etc to the auditors.

You think that the code of the slot games is available on the site or uploaded as a project on github?

It depends on situation. As i know in some casino is used free code - it is possible to load on github. And it is just one of possible decisions - it is possible to give an access to code on site.
Of course it is only about situation when casino trust the auditors and is ready to share such information. Common gambler or member of this board don`t have access to information how such audits are agreed upon.

I don`t have any proves but i think that it is really easy to audit online casino. Their RTP must be in the code of the games. So, it would be enough to get access to the site/github/etc to the auditors.
But i think that it is possible to casinos with local license. I don`t sure that someone cares about Curacao license.

To see that, do you have to follow those protocols? Isn't this Better because you are always available to verify the veracity of these Processes ? I Understand that this should always be available, when playing on say all these things are Available, it is always like that, but in the slots that have that type of RTP things can be put that way, I am Very Distrustful , I know that This is not something that causes any Discomfort , but as we are seeing things with Blockchain they should always be like this, in this case it always has to be Considered that way, therefore when we are Playing it should be Displayed Without so much protection, that makes people as if they were hiding Something.

I don`t know how you can check it. If it would be just written - would you believe it? I don`t think that we can check the truth ourselves. Even after audit we have to decide if we are ready to believe it.