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[Gallar]

Based on what I've read in this thread about trading, there's no guarantee of profit. The odds are probably 90% loss and only a small percentage gain.
So, I don't like trading, Because it can lead to missing out on opportunities to change my life in the future.

I prefer to build myself up through long-term investments, even if I buy small amounts, but I have savings for my retirement.
I see the Success that Bitcoin investors have experienced because they've been able to maintain their assets under any circumstances. I believe that if they can do it, we can also hold for the long term. We just need to have a strong Mentality because there will be many temptations along the way to profit.

Yes, in my personal opinion, 99 percent of trading has the potential to result in losses. Because it's very rare to see truly successful people trading. Therefore,, I believe we should think realistically now and embark on a better path: investing in Bitcoin. Investing, as we know, can give us hope for a brighter future. Investing in Bitcoin has been proven; its price continues to rise, and I believe it will continue to rise. I believe this is just the beginning. So,, for those who feel they've fallen behind when it comes to investing in Bitcoin, I don't think that's necessary. Investing in Bitcoin is still highly recommended. The current price of Bitcoin is still quite low. Therefore,, let's invest in Bitcoin now.

I don't see why there is any reason to attempt to figure out if the bitcoin price is currently, low, high or some other thing, especially for anyone who is still in their early stages of accumulating bitcoin.  Perhaps if a person had already been accumulating bitcoin for a cycle or two, then the size of his bitcoin stash might inform him whether to continue to ongoingly accumulate bitcoin or if he might start to think about buying on dips rather than buying all of the time.

Currently, bitcoin at about $75.6k is in about a 40% correction level from its October 2025 top of $126k. .. so it seems that bitcoin is already in a dip, even though surely no one can really know if bitcoin prices might be going lower from here.. yet if someone is relatively new to bitcoin, such as within the first cycle or two, then I have a hard time imagining too many circumstances in which they might consider to stop buying (especially for guys who might be DCA buying on a weekly basis or some other reasonable interval), even though surely guys can decide for themselves in regards to the size of their bitcoin stash and if they believe that they have enough, yet.

Yes, I completely agree with your assumption, JJG. It's true that those new to Bitcoin investing don't necessarily need to think about the price before making a purchase. I understand that their initial focus should be on accumulation so their Bitcoin portfolio can grow. However,, the reason I emphasize that Bitcoin's price is still low is because some novices or beginners might perceive buying Bitcoin as too expensive. However, in the long term, Bitcoin is still quite affordable considering its potential. That's why I say Bitcoin is currently quite affordable. I'm not saying that I'm telling anyone to buy Bitcoin at a low price (and wait). Essentially, I'm just reminding beginners that investing in Bitcoin is a very good idea right now.

[Finebone]

No doubt that people invest because they want to earn, the problem is the execution since if they aim for short term is they might get expose for lots of risk because there are so many inconsistencies and that option is not sustainable.

I agree with you that most Bitcoin investors invested in Bitcoin with the intention of making profit from it, that's why you will see an investor trading his Bitcoin or be expecting to get rich overnight, after a short period of time, which is never the case, but the truth is that not everyone sees or reason that way, because some people invested in Bitcoin just to preserve their money from inflation, since it's an incredible asset that appreciate in value overtime. So you are wrong for you  to come to the conclusion that everyone is investing in Bitcoin because they wan to earn.

[NewRevelation]

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The current price of bitcoin shouldn't be a determining factor on whether a person should buy bitcoin or not if they are planning on accumulating and HODLing long term, buying at a low price is the kind of thing that pushes quick profit minded people into bitcoin, they think it's a get rich quick scheme that will make them rich quickly,

Anyone who is looking at the price of Bitcoin, either waiting for it to decline first before they begin there accumulation process is not serious and/or not a real investor. Even considering the volatility of Bitcoin, how possible will you know when it will drop so that you can begin your investment. Such delays or attitude automatically keeps you away from starting and makes you a NO coiner.

It has always been best that we begin our investment regardless of the present price of Bitcoin provided that you have your discretionary income ready with you to begin your investment. Thus, waiting is a total procrastination and a waste of time. Starting is the real deal for a serious minded investor

[yudi09]

Yes, I completely agree with your assumption, JJG. It's true that those new to Bitcoin investing don't necessarily need to think about the price before making a purchase. I understand that their initial focus should be on accumulation so their Bitcoin portfolio can grow. However,, the reason I emphasize that Bitcoin's price is still low is because some novices or beginners might perceive buying Bitcoin as too expensive. However, in the long term, Bitcoin is still quite affordable considering its potential. That's why I say Bitcoin is currently quite affordable. I'm not saying that I'm telling anyone to buy Bitcoin at a low price (and wait). Essentially, I'm just reminding beginners that investing in Bitcoin is a very good idea right now.

That's true. But the reality is different from what we've discussed here. I've seen many things when starting to invest people still pay attention to price movements. Does this fall under the category of fear of accumulation or what exactly is the reason?

In fact if they do as we discussed here of course they will be more enthusiastic in making long-term investments because their focus is only on increasing the number of Bitcoins for the future maybe in my opinion after I understand the matter we discussed more is done by beginners or new investors because they are still doubtful about Bitcoin accumulation especially using the long term of course it will be more difficult to do it against their patience so they still see the movement as their basis when doing it of course they don't want to feel a loss afterward so this is what damages the minds of beginners or new investors because before doing it they first make sure of the movements that occur with the price.

[JoyMarsha]

No doubt that people invest because they want to earn, the problem is the execution since if they aim for short term is they might get expose for lots of risk because there are so many inconsistencies and that option is not sustainable.

I agree with you that most Bitcoin investors invested in Bitcoin with the intention of making profit from it, that's why you will see an investor trading his Bitcoin or be expecting to get rich overnight, after a short period of time, which is never the case, but the truth is that not everyone sees or reason that way, because some people invested in Bitcoin just to preserve their money from inflation, since it's an incredible asset that appreciate in value overtime. So you are wrong for you  to come to the conclusion that everyone is investing in Bitcoin because they wan to earn.

No matter how you visualize Bitcoin to serve as a hedge against inflation. Many people are into Bitcoin because of the long term profits they are to make. If you remove the profits to make from Bitcoin investment, I don't think many of us in this space will be longing to invest in Bitcoin for long term profits. We would have choose other assets to invest over Bitcoin. If it is lands, gold, shares and many more that could give us little or no returns in the future. But because of the numerous profits Bitcoin brings in a long run, we see it as one of the best investment to make in, for our future

[Charcol]

No doubt that people invest because they want to earn, the problem is the execution since if they aim for short term is they might get expose for lots of risk because there are so many inconsistencies and that option is not sustainable.

I agree with you that most Bitcoin investors invested in Bitcoin with the intention of making profit from it, that's why you will see an investor trading his Bitcoin or be expecting to get rich overnight, after a short period of time, which is never the case, but the truth is that not everyone sees or reason that way, because some people invested in Bitcoin just to preserve their money from inflation, since it's an incredible asset that appreciate in value overtime. So you are wrong for you  to come to the conclusion that everyone is investing in Bitcoin because they wan to earn.

No matter how you visualize Bitcoin to serve as a hedge against inflation. Many people are into Bitcoin because of the long term profits they are to make. If you remove the profits to make from Bitcoin investment, I don't think many of us in this space will be longing to invest in Bitcoin for long term profits. We would have choose other assets to invest over Bitcoin. If it is lands, gold, shares and many more that could give us little or no returns in the future. But because of the numerous profits Bitcoin brings in a long run, we see it as one of the best investment to make in, for our future

Some people think more about making a profit from Bitcoin, but this leaves the main purpose of Bitcoin incomplete. Those who choose to invest in Bitcoin mainly to make a profit have a negative mindset. They cannot reach the savings stage at that time where they will be called investors. Those who have less of a goal of preserving wealth and more of a goal of making a profit usually decide to sell when the price of Bitcoin increases slightly. Because then their greed for profit increases. So some people buy Bitcoin to make a profit but do something stupid like selling when the price increases. And long-term investors never look at making a profit, rather they are more careful to maintain their assets.

[IceLincoln]

That is just it, because if you really understand Bitcoin, then thinking long term like 10 - 15 years makes more sense. There’re a lot of people out there who rush into Bitcoin looking for quick profits and end up disappointing themselves. But if you’re patient and you keep accumulating, it will put you in a completely different position.
That idea of building first before thinking of taking profits is solid. If you haven’t built enough, taking profits early will just slow you down.

This is because their knowledge of Bitcoin investment is somewhat lacking so they rush into it without a long-term approach. Basically they only want quick profits. I think they lack knowledge about how to invest in Bitcoin. This often happens to beginners or new investors. Those who already understand of course won't take such steps because they realize that the long term is one of the most appropriate steps in Bitcoin investment efforts to reach the desired point for those who understand the goals of Bitcoin investment.

One thing people have to make up their mind for investing in bitcoin is to take their mind off profits aside from considering long term, this is something else that is very important as an investor. The moment you are accumulating and you’re always checking how much profits you’re in, automatically you’re setting yourself up for some future bad decisions. What you should be most important to you should be how much you’ve accumulated, how much and how well you’re buying, how you can improve your buying power and sustainability.

[Merit.s]

No matter how you visualize Bitcoin to serve as a hedge against inflation. Many people are into Bitcoin because of the long term profits they are to make. If you remove the profits to make from Bitcoin investment, I don't think many of us in this space will be longing to invest in Bitcoin for long term profits. We would have choose other assets to invest over Bitcoin. If it is lands, gold, shares and many more that could give us little or no returns in the future. But because of the numerous profits Bitcoin brings in a long run, we see it as one of the best investment to make in, for our future

You are right, I agree with you that long-term profit has made a lot of us start our bitcoin investment and decide to buy and increase our bitcoin stash and hodli overtime. Bitcoin also preserve the value of your money because any traditional asset can easily be affected by inflation that comes from printing of money but bitcoin is the opposite.

Imagine working now and saving your discretionary income in the bank to achieve something great in the future and in ten years time your money has lost a lot of value. Bitcoin is the opposite, it preserves the value of money you are putting into it and at the end, it gives you additional profits. Double gain. This is why you see those traders ain't after preserving value of their money but to make profits. If you put profits first as a bitcoin investor, it will mislead you and before you know it, you will become a trader. But if you put preserving the value of your money first, you will set a target to accumulate for yourself.

[Derekfunds]

That is just it, because if you really understand Bitcoin, then thinking long term like 10 - 15 years makes more sense. There’re a lot of people out there who rush into Bitcoin looking for quick profits and end up disappointing themselves. But if you’re patient and you keep accumulating, it will put you in a completely different position.
That idea of building first before thinking of taking profits is solid. If you haven’t built enough, taking profits early will just slow you down.

This is because their knowledge of Bitcoin investment is somewhat lacking so they rush into it without a long-term approach. Basically they only want quick profits. I think they lack knowledge about how to invest in Bitcoin. This often happens to beginners or new investors. Those who already understand of course won't take such steps because they realize that the long term is one of the most appropriate steps in Bitcoin investment efforts to reach the desired point for those who understand the goals of Bitcoin investment.

One thing people have to make up their mind for investing in bitcoin is to take their mind off profits aside from considering long term, this is something else that is very important as an investor. The moment you are accumulating and you’re always checking how much profits you’re in, automatically you’re setting yourself up for some future bad decisions. What you should be most important to you should be how much you’ve accumulated, how much and how well you’re buying, how you can improve your buying power and sustainability.

In my own idea or opinion, there is nothing actually bad or wrong if someone or an investor check their profit in the process of accumulating their Bitcoin but what is wrong is having a negative mindset or having the short term mindset of taking the profit when the investment is not yet matured, this kind of mindset can even make someone to sell at loss because of the market volatility so it is good and encouraging to have a long term mindset because that is only when we can get something tangible from our investment.

[Shiny_L@dy]

That is just it, because if you really understand Bitcoin, then thinking long term like 10 - 15 years makes more sense. There’re a lot of people out there who rush into Bitcoin looking for quick profits and end up disappointing themselves. But if you’re patient and you keep accumulating, it will put you in a completely different position.
That idea of building first before thinking of taking profits is solid. If you haven’t built enough, taking profits early will just slow you down.

This is because their knowledge of Bitcoin investment is somewhat lacking so they rush into it without a long-term approach. Basically they only want quick profits. I think they lack knowledge about how to invest in Bitcoin. This often happens to beginners or new investors. Those who already understand of course won't take such steps because they realize that the long term is one of the most appropriate steps in Bitcoin investment efforts to reach the desired point for those who understand the goals of Bitcoin investment.

One thing people have to make up their mind for investing in bitcoin is to take their mind off profits aside from considering long term, this is something else that is very important as an investor. The moment you are accumulating and you’re always checking how much profits you’re in, automatically you’re setting yourself up for some future bad decisions. What you should be most important to you should be how much you’ve accumulated, how much and how well you’re buying, how you can improve your buying power and sustainability.

In my own idea or opinion, there is nothing actually bad or wrong if someone or an investor check their profit in the process of accumulating their Bitcoin but what is wrong is having a negative mindset or having the short term mindset of taking the profit when the investment is not yet matured, this kind of mindset can even make someone to sell at loss because of the market volatility so it is good and encouraging to have a long term mindset because that is only when we can get something tangible from our investment.

Traders get so obsessed with trading and making profits that they confuse the concept of trading with investing. So when people with a trading mindset say that they are smart investors and think of selling when the price goes up, they don’t really know what they are talking about. When someone confuses the concept of trading with investing, they are probably trying to make short-term profits. However, there is no reason for investors to focus too much on profits. Rather, those who have an investment perspective on Bitcoin are probably more focused on continuously increasing their Bitcoin holdings (by buying more and more), and they don’t get distracted by a few dollars or other trivial things.

A person who continuously accumulates Bitcoin will definitely have more options if the value of their holdings increases rapidly. So, the amount of Bitcoin held has a compounding effect. But in the meantime, if he keeps saving for 4-10 years or more, he might just be focusing on saving. And yes, he might have a spreadsheet and an assessment of the value of his holdings compared to the value of his investments, but he might also have the ability to keep an eye on the savings and assess how many bitcoins he might need. And if he keeps saving for 10 years or more, he might reach a point where his bitcoins may or may not be profitable. But he'll still reach an age where he might still have to consider whether he's going to move from saving to some kind of withdrawal from his bitcoin holdings. He'll calculate sustainable withdrawals or withdraw in some other way. So he'll base his assessment of how many bitcoins he has and what his bitcoin holdings are worth at that point. And not on whether they're profitable or not. While many long-term Bitcoiners have seen the value of their Bitcoin holdings go through many ups and downs, there are probably a significant number of Bitcoiners who have held on to their Bitcoins and are holding on to them. Although their holdings have been profitable since almost the beginning of Bitcoin investing, especially if you look back at those Bitcoiners who have been in Bitcoin for 10 years or more.

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[Bryan jessy]

That is just it, because if you really understand Bitcoin, then thinking long term like 10 - 15 years makes more sense. There’re a lot of people out there who rush into Bitcoin looking for quick profits and end up disappointing themselves. But if you’re patient and you keep accumulating, it will put you in a completely different position.
That idea of building first before thinking of taking profits is solid. If you haven’t built enough, taking profits early will just slow you down.

This is because their knowledge of Bitcoin investment is somewhat lacking so they rush into it without a long-term approach. Basically they only want quick profits. I think they lack knowledge about how to invest in Bitcoin. This often happens to beginners or new investors. Those who already understand of course won't take such steps because they realize that the long term is one of the most appropriate steps in Bitcoin investment efforts to reach the desired point for those who understand the goals of Bitcoin investment.

One thing people have to make up their mind for investing in bitcoin is to take their mind off profits aside from considering long term, this is something else that is very important as an investor. The moment you are accumulating and you’re always checking how much profits you’re in, automatically you’re setting yourself up for some future bad decisions. What you should be most important to you should be how much you’ve accumulated, how much and how well you’re buying, how you can improve your buying power and sustainability.

In my own idea or opinion, there is nothing actually bad or wrong if someone or an investor check their profit in the process of accumulating their Bitcoin but what is wrong is having a negative mindset or having the short term mindset of taking the profit when the investment is not yet matured, this kind of mindset can even make someone to sell at loss because of the market volatility so it is good and encouraging to have a long term mindset because that is only when we can get something tangible from our investment.

With the unpredictable nature of Bitcoin, the long term investment is a win to me, because there are still chances or possibilities of gaining some profits with time rather than the short term investment. And regardless of the low risk in long term investment most people still prefer the short term investment, because they can sell anytime due to fear, anytime there is a slight decrease or increase in price.

[Tmoonz]

When investing, profit considerations are largely unnecessary. If someone's mind is focused on that, they are more likely to fail on a regular basis, making it harder to attain the outcomes many people accomplish with Bitcoin investing. I absolutely agree with your point regarding why amateurs always fail when investing. The reason you cited is a common mistake that many beginners do when they first start investing: they instantly think about how to generate enormous profits, but their duty is to fully invest in their investments without considering how they would truly profit.

Profit still has to matter at some level that's kind of the whole point of investment in the first place I do accept though that being too focused on quick profits it's where some many new investors go wrong individuals that jump in expecting over night profit especially with something like volatile like Bitcoin , One should definitely understand why you are investing and mindset usually leads one to bad reputation. One should believe in it Long term run but at the st time people can't completely ignore gain because that's how people measure if the method actually work well.

Nobody is advising you to ignore gain or profit but rather it is wrong to start with profit mentality especially when we are still trying to get a reasonable stash of bitcoin in our portfolio or we are still a no or low coiner. Moreover, it is not everyone that is accumulating bitcoin is doing so because they want to make profit. There are people that are investing in bitcoin because they want to retain there wealth and not because of profits.

Actually there is time for everything, one can not be talking about gain when they should be actively accumulating Bitcoin, it is completely a bad approach and can lead to distracting, people who focus on gains may likely not stay long in the market because it be very difficult to overcome such greed of taking any available gain and of course this can cut the long term plan short and unknowingly to them, anyone focusing on gain when they are in their accumulation process can easily panic on downturns and can even sell at lost, those who still have a very long way to go in their accumulation process should focus more on increasing the size of their portfolio than talking about gain.

[ASloveapg]

That is just it, because if you really understand Bitcoin, then thinking long term like 10 - 15 years makes more sense. There’re a lot of people out there who rush into Bitcoin looking for quick profits and end up disappointing themselves. But if you’re patient and you keep accumulating, it will put you in a completely different position.
That idea of building first before thinking of taking profits is solid. If you haven’t built enough, taking profits early will just slow you down.

This is because their knowledge of Bitcoin investment is somewhat lacking so they rush into it without a long-term approach. Basically they only want quick profits. I think they lack knowledge about how to invest in Bitcoin. This often happens to beginners or new investors. Those who already understand of course won't take such steps because they realize that the long term is one of the most appropriate steps in Bitcoin investment efforts to reach the desired point for those who understand the goals of Bitcoin investment.

One thing people have to make up their mind for investing in bitcoin is to take their mind off profits aside from considering long term, this is something else that is very important as an investor. The moment you are accumulating and you’re always checking how much profits you’re in, automatically you’re setting yourself up for some future bad decisions. What you should be most important to you should be how much you’ve accumulated, how much and how well you’re buying, how you can improve your buying power and sustainability.

In my own idea or opinion, there is nothing actually bad or wrong if someone or an investor check their profit in the process of accumulating their Bitcoin but what is wrong is having a negative mindset or having the short term mindset of taking the profit when the investment is not yet matured, this kind of mindset can even make someone to sell at loss because of the market volatility so it is good and encouraging to have a long term mindset because that is only when we can get something tangible from our investment.

With the unpredictable nature of Bitcoin, the long term investment is a win to me, because there are still chances or possibilities of gaining some profits with time rather than the short term investment. And regardless of the low risk in long term investment most people still prefer the short term investment, because they can sell anytime due to fear, anytime there is a slight decrease or increase in price.

Long-term investment has high potential, but the risk does not completely disappear, Bitcoin is a volatile asset, and in this case we cannot get anything with certainty, many people come here to invest with different mindsets, but if we have a different, short-term and unplanned mindset, we are more likely to lose. If the price drops a little, we are afraid, if it increases a little, we are greedy, if we have this kind of mindset, it is not possible to maintain a stable investment in the long term, so we have to make investment decisions by creating a long-term mindset first, then we will be able to move forward much better.

[HajiBagi]

No doubt that people invest because they want to earn, the problem is the execution since if they aim for short term is they might get expose for lots of risk because there are so many inconsistencies and that option is not sustainable.

I agree with you that most Bitcoin investors invested in Bitcoin with the intention of making profit from it, that's why you will see an investor trading his Bitcoin or be expecting to get rich overnight, after a short period of time, which is never the case, but the truth is that not everyone sees or reason that way, because some people invested in Bitcoin just to preserve their money from inflation, since it's an incredible asset that appreciate in value overtime. So you are wrong for you  to come to the conclusion that everyone is investing in Bitcoin because they wan to earn.

I understand your point but for me everyone is into Bitcoin for profit because no one will invest in Bitcoin if there is no profit or did not have any value, the reason why I said everyone invest in Bitcoin because of profit is because bitcoin is an investment that you can earn a lot from, you can invest and for a long term if the price rise you will definitely earn more than what you invest in it but investing in bitcoin deals with plan and those people who are trading to get rich overnight are not real investors, those people just want to get a profit by all means that is why they are trading their bitcoin and that is not how bitcoin works.

Bitcoin is all about patient and good plan and that is why before you invest in bitcoin you have to understand how it works and how you are going to succeed at the end, if you are into bitcoin and you are eager to make a quick profit then you should go for another investment because is it a wast of time and wasting of money, although some people are into bitcoin for the future but I still see it as the same thing because no one will invest in bitcoin if it is not something that have value.

[ejikeme24]

if it increases a little, we are greedy, if we have this kind of mindset, it is not possible to maintain a stable investment in the long term, so we have to make investment decisions by creating a long-term mindset first, then we will be able to move forward much better.

That is the more reason why we need to plan ourself before getting involved in bitcoin investment because it's only when an investor does not have target that they easily get tempted to sell whenever they see that they are in profit since they have nothing to worry about, but when you're investing for the long term whenever this feeling of selling for Short term comes, you will remember your investment plan and for you not to get it ruined, you will have to let go off the feeling. at that point your plan becomes a hedge I mean something that protect you from making unnecessary decision  that is why it's very important to make plans before getting involved in bitcoin investment.

[Rustam Meraj]

Long-term investment has high potential, but the risk does not completely disappear, Bitcoin is a volatile asset, and in this case we cannot get anything with certainty, many people come here to invest with different mindsets, but if we have a different, short-term and unplanned mindset, we are more likely to lose. If the price drops a little, we are afraid, if it increases a little, we are greedy, if we have this kind of mindset, it is not possible to maintain a stable investment in the long term, so we have to make investment decisions by creating a long-term mindset first, then we will be able to move forward much better.

I completely agree with you that greatest enemy to Bitcoin is our emotions. Even if we know that BTC has long term value and outlook, day to day price movements will easily snap even weakest. Biggest reason for people losing money is not because of Bitcoin, but because they are giving in to fear and greed.
Weak hands sell in panic and FOMO in at top. If you want to be long term investor, you almost need to be emotionally numb to markets. A good approach such as DCA can help here as it removes decision making from equation. A 20% drop in price is good sale if you have 5 to 10-year investment horizon. Training yourself to think from longer timeframe is name of the game.

[Razmirraz]

No doubt that people invest because they want to earn, the problem is the execution since if they aim for short term is they might get expose for lots of risk because there are so many inconsistencies and that option is not sustainable.

In fact, the motivations of Bitcoin investors are very diverse, not all of them are driven by the desire to make quick profits. Those who engage in day or short-term trading often get caught up in the mindset of wanting to “get rich overnight,” these strategies are often high risk and rarely produce consistent instant wealth. Those who consider Bitcoin as digital gold or a hedge against inflation prefer to make long-term investments, this assumption is based on Bitcoin's limited supply (only 21 million coins), unlike fiat money which can be printed continuously, so it is fundamentally considered more resistant to long-term devaluation. For some, Bitcoin is considered a speculative instrument and others consider it a store of value, so if you generalize that the goal of all investors is to make a profit or get rich quickly, it is not quite right.

[JayJuanGee]

And yes if you have not reached over accumulation stage you should not be selling your Bitcoin the only time you should start selling your bitcoin is when you have reached an over accumulation stage, so everyone should learn to be patient and should consistently accumulate while holding their Bitcoin.

No man, reaching over accumulation stage isn't the time to start selling your Bitcoin, if you've more than you sought out to accumulate, you can take little profits, but ensure you never go below your initial target. Remember you still have your holding period which you should elapse before starting to withdraw sustainably from your portfolio. If you don't hold for long-term and you start selling a good portion of your portfolio, you're still trading it, even if you've reached over accumulation stage sooner. It's even in the best interest of the investor if after he reaches over accumulation stage fast and still has a lot time left to hold to resets his target, sets a higher one and gets back in accumulation phase in order to achieve a bigger portfolio at the end of his holding period.

There is something confusing about your description of how a guy might choose to start to withdraw from his bitcoin holdings once he reaches overaccumulation status while still being able to stay in overaccumulation status.

Of course, he can change his goals, yet he doesn't necessarily need to change his goals, especially if he might accumulate enough that he has a bit of a cushion in regards to how much bitcoin he needs in order to support his chosen income level.  if he is just barely at his level (or not quite at his level) then he might run into more troubles because he is pushing limits and the resolution might be either to withdraw at lower rates until his bitcoin holdings are able to support his targeted level or alternatively, delay when he starts to withdraw from his holdings, and with the passage of time, his bitcoin holdings will support a higher withdrawal rate as long as he was not withdrawing from them  and he does not need to add more bitcoin to his holdings.

An example might be helpful...  and I will describe a guy who has already reached such status.

Let's say that a guy had been earning $30k per year ($2,500 per month) and his basic expenses were about $1,500, and 10 years ago, he started to buy $100 per week in bitcoin ($433 per month, $5,200 per year) (which was 17.33% of his income, and even though a relatively aggressive level, well within his discretionary funds). After 10 years, he had invested about $52k into bitcoin and he had accumulated right about 11.15 BTC.  You can plug in the numbers and the dates on https://newhedge.io/bitcoin/dollar-cost-averaging-calculator

When he looks up the sustainable income that 11.15 BTC could support, he sees that it is $67.3k per year or $5,611 per month, which surely is higher than his current income, and so he could start to withdraw at the max or maybe he just wants to withdraw at his current income of $30k and to give himself a 7% raise each year (in dollar terms). If he chooses the lower withdrawal rate, he will likely never run out of bitcoin and he will be able to withdraw at that rate forever, and sure he could pick some withdrawal amount that is somewhere between $30k and $67.3k per year and still have a cushion, especially if he is not 100% confident that the sustainable withdrawal rate formula will hold up.

You can also look at my latest fuck you status table (last updated August 2025) and see that historically the amount of BTC needed to support an $80k per year income has gone down every year, and much faster than the rate that anyone would be withdrawing $80k per year from those amounts, even if they gave themselves a 7% raise each year in the dollar amount.  

From my own system of using the 200-WMA to estimate what would be a sustainable income from BTC holdings:

In mid 2018, it took 338.5 BTC to support an $80k per year sustainable income.  
In mid 2020, it took 135.2 BTC to support an $80k per year sustainable income.
In mid 2022, it took 36.25 BTC to support an $80k per year sustainable income.
In mid 2024, it took 22.735 BTC to support an $80k per year sustainable income.

Those are the past numbers that track exactly what the 200-WMA did for each of the 6 months that are in the snapshot of the fuck you status chart.  The chart has not been updated since August 2025, yet my own current projections (that has not been published) shows that

In mid 2026, it will likely take 13.05 BTC to support an $80k per year sustainable income.
In mid 2028, it will likely take 8.3 BTC to support an $80k per year sustainable income.

So, even if the 200-WMA estimated prices in my most recent fuck you status chart are not exactly correct, any of us should be able to reasonably look at and/or project what we expect the 200-WMA to be in the future and even to make sure that our calculated withdrawal rate does not go out of sustainable territory so that our bitcoin continues to stay in overaccumulation status once we start whatever sustainable withdrawal system/practice that we calculate to be sustainable, even though we are ongoingly withdrawing from our bitcoin stash in a sustainable way in the event that we go down that path of sustainably withdrawing from our bitcoin holdings.

If we are in overaccumulation status and we are withdrawing within the boundaries of sustainable withdrawal, we do not have to buy back any bitcoin that we withdraw... especially if we keep our withdrawal rates within the guidelines of a sustainable withdrawal rate and we would quite likely be able to give ourselves some reasonable level of cost of living increase each year in the dollar amount, such as 7% per year forever into the future (as long as the 200-WMA continues to go up like it has historically done - even though of course, none of it is guaranteed, which puts responsibilities on each of us to make sure that we are not withdrawing beyond a reasonable and sustainable withdrawal rate.

Based on what I've read in this thread about trading, there's no guarantee of profit. The odds are probably 90% loss and only a small percentage gain.
So, I don't like trading, Because it can lead to missing out on opportunities to change my life in the future.

I prefer to build myself up through long-term investments, even if I buy small amounts, but I have savings for my retirement.
I see the Success that Bitcoin investors have experienced because they've been able to maintain their assets under any circumstances. I believe that if they can do it, we can also hold for the long term. We just need to have a strong Mentality because there will be many temptations along the way to profit.

Yes, in my personal opinion, 99 percent of trading has the potential to result in losses. Because it's very rare to see truly successful people trading. Therefore,, I believe we should think realistically now and embark on a better path: investing in Bitcoin. Investing, as we know, can give us hope for a brighter future. Investing in Bitcoin has been proven; its price continues to rise, and I believe it will continue to rise. I believe this is just the beginning. So,, for those who feel they've fallen behind when it comes to investing in Bitcoin, I don't think that's necessary. Investing in Bitcoin is still highly recommended. The current price of Bitcoin is still quite low. Therefore,, let's invest in Bitcoin now.

I don't see why there is any reason to attempt to figure out if the bitcoin price is currently, low, high or some other thing, especially for anyone who is still in their early stages of accumulating bitcoin.  Perhaps if a person had already been accumulating bitcoin for a cycle or two, then the size of his bitcoin stash might inform him whether to continue to ongoingly accumulate bitcoin or if he might start to think about buying on dips rather than buying all of the time.

Currently, bitcoin at about $75.6k is in about a 40% correction level from its October 2025 top of $126k. .. so it seems that bitcoin is already in a dip, even though surely no one can really know if bitcoin prices might be going lower from here.. yet if someone is relatively new to bitcoin, such as within the first cycle or two, then I have a hard time imagining too many circumstances in which they might consider to stop buying (especially for guys who might be DCA buying on a weekly basis or some other reasonable interval), even though surely guys can decide for themselves in regards to the size of their bitcoin stash and if they believe that they have enough, yet.

Yes, I completely agree with your assumption, JJG. It's true that those new to Bitcoin investing don't necessarily need to think about the price before making a purchase. I understand that their initial focus should be on accumulation so their Bitcoin portfolio can grow. However,, the reason I emphasize that Bitcoin's price is still low is because some novices or beginners might perceive buying Bitcoin as too expensive.

Almost everyone who doesn't know shit about bitcoin perceive it to be high.. and even folks who study bitcoin for a while will also perceive the BTC price as high or that they had missed their chance to buy before the bubble hit. and so yeah, no matter the bitcoin price there are going to be folks who are perceiving the BTC price as being too high.. yet it still seems that the main point is not the fact that the BTC price seems to be high to them, but instead the fact that they are either a no coiner or a low coiner, and even guys who had been buying bitcoin on a fairly steady basis, they still may well be low coiners relative to where they want to go with their bitcoin stash, since (as you likely realize) it tends to take years and years and years for normal people to build up a reasonably sized bitcoin stash, unless they happened to have had been in a position that they were able to get into bitcoin and to be in a position to be able to front load their investment with lump sum amounts and/or other assets and/or money that they might have had been able to reallocate into bitcoin.

So, largely, what I am saying is that we have to be careful in our going along with their desires to focus on price, even though we still might need to acknowledge some aspect in which many newbies are tending to too often get caught up on BTC prices when the more important angle is that they either have no bitcoin or they have very little bitcoin and the only meaningful way to prepare for the possibility of upwards prices is to ongoingly be buying bitcoin rather than carrying out a waiting and/or watching strategy that may well not result in their getting any bitcoin, even if they might believe that they are going to buy bitcoin in the event that it dips to a certain target price that they have in mind.. which that also might be unrealistic to be waiting for prices that may well not happen, and even if the lower prices do end up happening, they can just continue buying during the time that the BTC price goes down to such levels, especially if they are setting up systems where they are trying to make sure that they are buying bitcoin every week for years and years and years.. perhaps a cycle or two before they are in a position of enough bitcoin that they might be able to reassess.

However, in the long term, Bitcoin is still quite affordable considering its potential.

Of course, guys who have been buying bitcoin for decently long amounts of time and ongoingly trying to study into bitcoin know that.. yet are we going to obsess about whether BTC prices are low, high or sideways?   .,. of course, it feels good when our bitcoin are comfortably "in profits" and it seems unlikely that the BTC price is going to go below our costs per BTC, yet it could still take years and years and years for us to really start to feel comfortable in regards to our costs per BTC, even though we might be becoming more and more satisfied in regards to our bitcoin stash to the extent that it may be ongoingly growing on a weekly basis and over the years we are really noticing how our bitcoin stash size is getting larger...and yeah, the results will vary.. and some guys might have set backs or even periods where they might not have much if any discretionary funds to be able to buy bitcoin.

That's why I say Bitcoin is currently quite affordable. I'm not saying that I'm telling anyone to buy Bitcoin at a low price (and wait). Essentially, I'm just reminding beginners that investing in Bitcoin is a very good idea right now.

Yeah.. but it is always a good idea to buy bitcoin for beginners - especially if we are presuming that they don't have any bitcoin. or if they do have some bitcoin, they don't have enough.  I don't see any reason to spend much time addressing or focusing on the BTC price beyone in cursive ways, even if many newbies might have fears about the price... and at the same time, we cannot guarantee anything regarding where the price is going to go in the future.  It might go up, down or sideways in the future, yet if we are talking to a friend, relative or an acquaintance and we know that they are a no coiner or low coiners, then their status as no coiner or low coiner seem to be the more relevant aspect. and they are responsible for what they do.. whether they get started or not. even though sure, we might be able to help them in terms of pointing them out certain resources, such as where to source their coins or maybe some the basic matters related to figuring out how much they might want to put into bitcoin in light of what their discretionary funds might be, whether it is $100 per week, $10 per week or some other amount that they might be able to manage as they are potentially continuing to research into bitcoin and to sort out what they might assess to be their available discretionary funds... and we can talk about bitcoin investing and even cashflow management without necessarily getting into particulars of their finances or even about our own finances, even though maybe there are some folks who we don't mind sharing some particulars, yet many folks might be nervous about revealing too much about personal finances.

[PhilosopherKing]

Yeah.. but it is always a good idea to buy bitcoin for beginners - especially if we are presuming that they don't have any bitcoin. or if they do have some bitcoin, they don't have enough.  I don't see any reason to spend much time addressing or focusing on the BTC price beyone in cursive ways, even if many newbies might have fears about the price... and at the same time, we cannot guarantee anything regarding where the price is going to go in the future.  It might go up, down or sideways in the future, yet if we are talking to a friend, relative or an acquaintance and we know that they are a no coiner or low coiners, then their status as no coiner or low coiner seem to be the more relevant aspect. and they are responsible for what they do.. whether they get started or not. even though sure, we might be able to help them in terms of pointing them out certain resources, such as where to source their coins or maybe some the basic matters related to figuring out how much they might want to put into bitcoin in light of what their discretionary funds might be, whether it is $100 per week, $10 per week or some other amount that they might be able to manage as they are potentially continuing to research into bitcoin and to sort out what they might assess to be their available discretionary funds... and we can talk about bitcoin investing and even cashflow management without necessarily getting into particulars of their finances or even about our own finances, even though maybe there are some folks who we don't mind sharing some particulars, yet many folks might be nervous about revealing too much about personal finances.

Yes, it is needless and pointless for person to be worrying about the price before buying, because the price of Bitcoin cannot even predicted. Person may be waiting because he thinks price will drop, but the price may just go up and that person can start to be hesitate to buy again because of that. So that is why person have to start buying using what they can afforded to loose. And when they are ongoingly buying they should do so without trying to outsmart the market.

People that think they are smarter than the market will want to be time market and this can leave them with zero bitcoin. So person should quit trying to pick a perfect time of entering the market to start buying and just ongoingly buy at any price it is in market.

[Kelward]

No doubt that people invest because they want to earn, the problem is the execution since if they aim for short term is they might get expose for lots of risk because there are so many inconsistencies and that option is not sustainable.

I agree with you that most Bitcoin investors invested in Bitcoin with the intention of making profit from it, that's why you will see an investor trading his Bitcoin or be expecting to get rich overnight, after a short period of time, which is never the case, but the truth is that not everyone sees or reason that way, because some people invested in Bitcoin just to preserve their money from inflation, since it's an incredible asset that appreciate in value overtime. So you are wrong for you  to come to the conclusion that everyone is investing in Bitcoin because they wan to earn.

People have different reasons for buying and holding Bitcoin but whatever the reason is if you are able to hold it for a very long time like up to 10 years it has the potential to give you profit. Your personal  reason could be for investment, a hedge against inflation, to save for retirement or a long term project, whatever your long term goal is for holding without selling prematurely will give you the same benefit at the maturation.

Aside from Bitcoin investment you can do DCA strategy for other purposes that I mentioned, what matters is that you have discretionary funds to be accumulating when it's time to do so. Whether you're doing DCA strategy with the goal of making profit or securing your money by holding it in a secured and decentralized network if Bitcoin continues to be a store of value then you will be in profit regardless of your aim.