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[ChocolateBitcoinK]

I agree with you that it is very important to know your financial situation and how much risk you can take before investing in BTC. The DCA method can be a good strategy in the long term, because it does not have to worry much about the daily fluctuations of the market. However, you should always invest money that will not cause a big problem in your personal life even if you lose it. Patience and proper planning are the most important things here.

To make investing in Bitcoin less risky, dollar cost averaging is a nice, comfortable and popular method that reduces the risk by gradually, continuously buying and accumulating Bitcoin. Since the investment is made and held for the long term, patience is very important here and planning means you have to continue investing regularly.

Since you don't have to invest a lot of money at once, it's possible to stay mentally strong. When a low-income person invests his savings of several years in Bitcoin, he can't keep his mentality strong due to the volatility of the price.

But if he had followed the DCA method and accumulated little by little, the fluctuations in the price of Bitcoin would not have affected his mentality that much. He wouldn't have felt the financial and mental stress as much like he would  felt in lump sum .

Many people think that to be successful in Bitcoin, you have to invest a large amount of money at once, but the reality is not like that, even a person with a low income can achieve a lot if he continues to invest with small amounts consistently. There will be volatility, but we have to understand it and continue to invest despite the volatility. If we maintain consistency, the negative impact of volatility is much less, but when a person invests a very large amount of money at once, then the natural volatility of Bitcoin also becomes a cause for panic for him. That is why it is safer and more reasonable to invest consistently instead of investing in such an aggressive way.

[Furious 7]

Basically I agree with you not everyone invests for the long term, some invest for the short term, hoping that their investment will mature in a certain month or they will be able to earn a certain amount of dividend from the investment so we should abandon the habit of calling traders investors. @ejikeme24 Don't forget to mention that becoming an investor is absolutely easy, to earn this title, you need to be patient and persistent with investment for at least 3-5 years. So from experience, we have to say that those who hold this coin in the short term with the implicit expectation of a guaranteed profit are in the wrong mental framework.

Maybe I will say this is leading to traders because in the end investing in bitcoin and it is done only a few months in the end it is not an investment but they are just trying to trade with a certain time frame and this for me is not too solid if done.
Especially if you make DCA the main choice of purchase from this you will not get anything from the purchase made even though the risk is much greater if you use the trader pattern and consider it an investment on the pretext that it is short-term.

On the other hand, being an investor looks easy but when we try it is not as easy as imagined, I have been in bitcoin in the last few years and it is not an easy matter especially in the emotional regulation that we have so I disagree when saying this is an easy thing because this requires firmness, strength in holding and controlling emotions which of course for beginners this will not be easy so it takes great effort to achieve the goal.

[Sally9256]

I agree with you that it is very important to know your financial situation and how much risk you can take before investing in BTC. The DCA method can be a good strategy in the long term, because it does not have to worry much about the daily fluctuations of the market. However, you should always invest money that will not cause a big problem in your personal life even if you lose it. Patience and proper planning are the most important things here.

To make investing in Bitcoin less risky, dollar cost averaging is a nice, comfortable and popular method that reduces the risk by gradually, continuously buying and accumulating Bitcoin. Since the investment is made and held for the long term, patience is very important here and planning means you have to continue investing regularly.

Since you don't have to invest a lot of money at once, it's possible to stay mentally strong. When a low-income person invests his savings of several years in Bitcoin, he can't keep his mentality strong due to the volatility of the price.

But if he had followed the DCA method and accumulated little by little, the fluctuations in the price of Bitcoin would not have affected his mentality that much. He wouldn't have felt the financial and mental stress as much like he would  felt in lump sum .

Many people think that to be successful in Bitcoin, you have to invest a large amount of money at once, but the reality is not like that, even a person with a low income can achieve a lot if he continues to invest with small amounts consistently. There will be volatility, but we have to understand it and continue to invest despite the volatility. If we maintain consistency, the negative impact of volatility is much less, but when a person invests a very large amount of money at once, then the natural volatility of Bitcoin also becomes a cause for panic for him. That is why it is safer and more reasonable to invest consistently instead of investing in such an aggressive way.

Consistency is one of the most important things when investing in Bitcoin. To invest doesn't require huge amount what matters is consistency and not the amount you invest because it's not everyone that can afford to invest a huge amount at once so even small amounts regularly can still grow bigger as long as you're consistently investing little by little for a long period. That's why we have DCA strategy that makes investing affordable by low income earners too. Investing regularly even reduce the impact of volatility.
Investing aggressively shouldn't be discouraged as long as you have enough discretionary income and won't be using part of your money for your expenses.

[I_Anime]

Nowadays, many new traders entry the market hoping to buy at a low price and sell at a higher price. But in reality things are not that simple. fear during price drops and greed during price increases often lead people to make wrong decisions which later causes losses.
In my opinion chasing profit without understanding the market and the risks involved is a big mistake. Making small but consistent profits over time is much better than running after unrealistic gains.
In trading, learning technical analysis is important, but controlling emotions and making the right decisions at the right time are equally important.

You’re right , but in this board we focus more on investment (holding ). Trading is not a bad skill especially when you know what you’re doing (having a solid knowledge on how it works ).  But that won’t stop the fact that’s not for everyone , without the right knowledge you are only gambling which will definitely lead to waste of resources, so the best thing to do is to save those resources and put it into something with less risk, holding is risky too especially when you are holding a no purpose coin or token, that’s why bitcoin is there to save you the stress in looking on which to invest in because it’s less riskier compared to the others .

[Umulala-alala]

Some people are just very funny, so they think that it is right to sell of their Bitcoin or selling some part of it when they no where found near their accumulation target, just because they are having other plans to go into another investment but I ask has Bitcoin now failed, can anyone tell us any investment that is more valued than Bitcoin presently, it is important for people not to allow themselves to be tempted to sell of or take profit along the line of their Bitcoin investment journey when they have met their target, as someone that set a goal, such goals should be accomplished without any form of distraction, Bitcoin investment is known for it's increase overtime on a long-term, it is Bitcoin accumulation for a long-term not halfway and I think this should be in our mind as we keep doing the needful.

The truth is that not everyone that is investing for Long term some are investing for Short term with the hope that before so,so so, months that their investment will get matured or they will be in profit, and when it didn't work as expected by them, at that point they will be forced to sell their investment to diversify into other investment/ business but it's wrong to sell our investment when we have not reach our overaccumulation status and / or investment target, because selling when we have not reach our overaccumulation status is more like trading.

Basically I agree with you not everyone invests for the long term, some invest for the short term, hoping that their investment will mature in a certain month or they will be able to earn a certain amount of dividend from the investment so we should abandon the habit of calling traders investors. @ejikeme24 Don't forget to mention that becoming an investor is absolutely easy, to earn this title, you need to be patient and persistent with investment for at least 3-5 years. So from experience, we have to say that those who hold this coin in the short term with the implicit expectation of a guaranteed profit are in the wrong mental framework.

Long term BTC investment is actually from 4-10 or more if it's done consistently and persistently the year bracket you listed is for short time which is also trading, those going for a short time profit are just gambling with their resources because they are predict the market correctly since bitcoin is volatile they may plan to sell in a short time thinking the price will increase for them to sell and it continue to decline so buying and holding for 4-10 or more may likely earn you a more better profit than trading an asset that is not supposed to be traded to hodl for a longer period of time.

[MainIbem]

Nowadays, many new traders entry the market hoping to buy at a low price and sell at a higher price. But in reality things are not that simple. fear during price drops and greed during price increases often lead people to make wrong decisions which later causes losses.
In my opinion chasing profit without understanding the market and the risks involved is a big mistake. Making small but consistent profits over time is much better than running after unrealistic gains.
In trading, learning technical analysis is important, but controlling emotions and making the right decisions at the right time are equally important.

You’re right , but in this board we focus more on investment (holding ). Trading is not a bad skill especially when you know what you’re doing (having a solid knowledge on how it works ).  But that won’t stop the fact that’s not for everyone , without the right knowledge you are only gambling which will definitely lead to waste of resources, so the best thing to do is to save those resources and put it into something with less risk, holding is risky too especially when you are holding a no purpose coin or token, that’s why bitcoin is there to save you the stress in looking on which to invest in because it’s less riskier compared to the others .

Well it's bad for someone that's new into digital currency, it's very difficult to predict the market that's why 90% of traders in their early stage always lose lots of money before they figure out ways of applying risk management to reduce loses. Also why buying and hodling a  digital currency like Bitcoin that's trustworthy is more better for beginners cause once they can figure out their discretionary funds all they just need is to be consistent with accumulating and be patient not to sell until they reach their goal. Well it's not like success is guaranteed in bitcoin, don't get me wrong, it still has it's own risk cause of volatility but Bitcoin gives hope if only people who invest in it can be patient to hold for long-term.

[Sulegzy39]

Many people believe that in order to be successful in Bitcoin, you must invest a significant sum of money all at once, but this is not the case; even a person with a little income can achieve great success if he continues to invest in tiny sums on a constant basis. There will be volatility, but we must recognise it and continue to invest despite it. If we maintain consistency, the negative impact of volatility is greatly reduced; but, when a person invests a significant sum of money at once, the natural volatility of Bitcoin becomes a source of concern for him. That is why investing consistently is safer and more rational than investing aggressively.

[ejikeme24]

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Being aggressive in your bitcoin accumulation journey is not actually bad in fact, it is one of the best things to do sometimes in your accumulation journey, however, before you become aggressive in your accommodation, you need to have a strong backup funds, this backup funds are the things that will help you, it’s like your safe net that will help you when your aggressive accumulation has lead you to cross limit, you won’t dip hands into your bitcoin investment to solve emergency situations because you already have a strong backup funds that can be used to solve any emergency issues that comes up.

Of course buying aggressively is not actually bad Which I'm not disputing on that fact, but then we need to ensure that all the things we will be needing for this aggressive buying of bitcoin is in place because buying aggressively can be problematic if it's not well planned. some investors tend to jump into buying aggressively when they don't have backup funds or reserve that they will use if their discretionary income is not enough, since their initial plan is to buy aggressively they will decide to invest from their emergency funds just so that they can take advantage of the buying opportunity Which is not meant to be, I know some opportunities can be very crucial but to avoid messing up our investment we have to let go and keep preparing ourselves against the upcoming one.

[Sonia_123]

Nowadays, many new traders entry the market hoping to buy at a low price and sell at a higher price. But in reality things are not that simple. fear during price drops and greed during price increases often lead people to make wrong decisions which later causes losses.
In my opinion chasing profit without understanding the market and the risks involved is a big mistake. Making small but consistent profits over time is much better than running after unrealistic gains.
In trading, learning technical analysis is important, but controlling emotions and making the right decisions at the right time are equally important.

Not talking about trading here but bitcoin investment, remove your mind from trading so that you can focus and start investing in bitcoin because no matter how much you think you can get from trading, it cannot be compared to bitcoin investment which still remains the ultimate and better even if it is not 100% guaranteed, it's also one of the important aspect of bitcoin

[MissNonFall9]

Basically I agree with you not everyone invests for the long term, some invest for the short term, hoping that their investment will mature in a certain month or they will be able to earn a certain amount of dividend from the investment so we should abandon the habit of calling traders investors. @ejikeme24 Don't forget to mention that becoming an investor is absolutely easy, to earn this title, you need to be patient and persistent with investment for at least 3-5 years. So from experience, we have to say that those who hold this coin in the short term with the implicit expectation of a guaranteed profit are in the wrong mental framework.

Bitcoin is associated with the long term but if it is for three to five years, it does not seem to be able to bring us the desired success. Although it may brings a little profit with this little time as you mentioned, it cannot be said for sure and here profit is related to trade. To invest in Bitcoin, you need to set a five to ten year mindset. And I think those who invest in Bitcoin on a short term basis should be considered as traders not investors.

[SPIDERMAN008]

Basically I agree with you not everyone invests for the long term, some invest for the short term, hoping that their investment will mature in a certain month or they will be able to earn a certain amount of dividend from the investment so we should abandon the habit of calling traders investors. @ejikeme24 Don't forget to mention that becoming an investor is absolutely easy, to earn this title, you need to be patient and persistent with investment for at least 3-5 years. So from experience, we have to say that those who hold this coin in the short term with the implicit expectation of a guaranteed profit are in the wrong mental framework.

Bitcoin is associated with the long term but if it is for three to five years, it does not seem to be able to bring us the desired success. Although it may brings a little profit with this little time as you mentioned, it cannot be said for sure and here profit is related to trade. To invest in Bitcoin, you need to set a five to ten year mindset. And I think those who invest in Bitcoin on a short term basis should be considered as traders not investors.

I don't think there is a need to play a number game with timeline here. Investing in BTC should be done with a long-term mentality and ability. In that case, the time should be kept at least 4 years. Because one thing is clear from the past price history that if someone bought and hold Bitcoin for 4 years at any time, then he must have made a profit. The longer the time can be hold BTC, the more profit is possible. But how long someone will invest will depend on the personal position of the person. Just giving your opinion by mentioning 3, 5, 10 years here is not the main thing. The time depends on the person. In your case, it may be possible to invest for 10 years, but for others, it may seem logical to invest for less time. So everything depends on the person who is investing.

[LOVER BOY 422]

Basically I agree with you not everyone invests for the long term, some invest for the short term, hoping that their investment will mature in a certain month or they will be able to earn a certain amount of dividend from the investment so we should abandon the habit of calling traders investors. @ejikeme24 Don't forget to mention that becoming an investor is absolutely easy, to earn this title, you need to be patient and persistent with investment for at least 3-5 years. So from experience, we have to say that those who hold this coin in the short term with the implicit expectation of a guaranteed profit are in the wrong mental framework.

Bitcoin is associated with the long term but if it is for three to five years, it does not seem to be able to bring us the desired success. Although it may brings a little profit with this little time as you mentioned, it cannot be said for sure and here profit is related to trade. To invest in Bitcoin, you need to set a five to ten year mindset. And I think those who invest in Bitcoin on a short term basis should be considered as traders not investors.

In light of what jayjuanGee also says that investing in Bitcoin is not guaranteed to be profitable in the future, not also guaranteed to get anything back, due to execution risk and underlying asset risk.
That if you act like their is a guarantee of making profits that probably you will have a problematic mindset.
So if your investing in Bitcoin just remove your mindsets in profit, that's the more reason it's good to invest in amount that you can afford to lose because you should have the mindset of not getting anything back in return.
So in conclusion an investor shouldn't discuss profit at his accumulation level but he should think of how to buy more Bitcoin and hold and not discuss profit at his level, if not he will confused and also mislead biggners.

[Proty]

Basically I agree with you not everyone invests for the long term, some invest for the short term, hoping that their investment will mature in a certain month or they will be able to earn a certain amount of dividend from the investment so we should abandon the habit of calling traders investors. @ejikeme24 Don't forget to mention that becoming an investor is absolutely easy, to earn this title, you need to be patient and persistent with investment for at least 3-5 years. So from experience, we have to say that those who hold this coin in the short term with the implicit expectation of a guaranteed profit are in the wrong mental framework.

Bitcoin is associated with the long term but if it is for three to five years, it does not seem to be able to bring us the desired success. Although it may brings a little profit with this little time as you mentioned, it cannot be said for sure and here profit is related to trade. To invest in Bitcoin, you need to set a five to ten year mindset. And I think those who invest in Bitcoin on a short term basis should be considered as traders not investors.

Those that hold bitcoin for 3 years and then start taking profits are traders and not investor. Long term holders are those that can be able to hold bitcoin for at least 5 years and above. The mindset of thinking about taking profits from bitcoin investment at an initial stage that is during accumulation phase is typical of a trader, that's the reason why I said that taking profits from bitcoin at an early stage like the said 3 years is trading and not investing.

[Jamestown70]

Nowadays, many new traders entry the market hoping to buy at a low price and sell at a higher price. But in reality things are not that simple. fear during price drops and greed during price increases often lead people to make wrong decisions which later causes losses.
In my opinion chasing profit without understanding the market and the risks involved is a big mistake. Making small but consistent profits over time is much better than running after unrealistic gains.
In trading, learning technical analysis is important, but controlling emotions and making the right decisions at the right time are equally important.

I see you’re new to this forum and you didn’t go through what’s been discussed here before contributing your ideas. But then I still have a question for you, how do you understand a decentralized system that is not controlled by the any institution and has a very unpredictable nature, or you’ve thought of a particular strategy that will help you scale through in your trading journey.

Dude, all you’re doing is speculation and 80% of the time, it goes against you, despite those preemptive action you thought you’ve put in place.

I understand every person has their choices, but I’ll suggest to you, in the stead of trying to outsmart the market and putting yourself under the pressure of monitoring the price every move trying to make those small profit as you’ve, you can use the DCA strategy to accumulate fraction of Bitcoin, with your discretionary funds only, with a long term mindset of 6-10 years, with this method Dude, you’re not trying to outsmart the market rather you’re working together with it and still making your profit. It might not have the conviction now, but you just have to start. 

[Emjay24]

but when a person invests a very large amount of money at once, then the natural volatility of Bitcoin also becomes a cause for panic for him. That is why it is safer and more reasonable to invest consistently instead of investing in such an aggressive way.

If a person has a large discretionary income at his disposal upon starting to invest in bitcoin, he can go ahead and buy with large amounts. If the same person is committed to long-term involvement in bitcoin, he wouldn't panic because he bought with a large amount, rather he would continue holding and keep enlarging his portfolio at intervals if he has not yet reached his accumulation target and keep to his long-term commitment. More of the reasons people panic is when they buy beyond their discretionary income, so they are afraid of loosing the money they cannot afford to loose which they put into buying bitcoin and those who are into bitcoin for quick-profits. If an investor is committed to long-term in bitcoin, then short-term price fluctuations should not be his problems, let's stop getting it twisted, it is not more reasonable to invest whimpily when you can invest at a faster pace within your means, it is understandable if the new investor is still gaining confidence in bitcoin and is starting small. Investing little amount while you've bulk of cash as discretionary income might not really be the best option because cash stacked would still depreciate and it is best if you deploy some good quantity to increase your aggressiveness into bitcoin which would preserve its value for you on the long-run.

[Sally9256]

Nowadays, many new traders entry the market hoping to buy at a low price and sell at a higher price. But in reality things are not that simple. fear during price drops and greed during price increases often lead people to make wrong decisions which later causes losses.
In my opinion chasing profit without understanding the market and the risks involved is a big mistake. Making small but consistent profits over time is much better than running after unrealistic gains.
In trading, learning technical analysis is important, but controlling emotions and making the right decisions at the right time are equally important.

Not talking about trading here but bitcoin investment, remove your mind from trading so that you can focus and start investing in bitcoin because no matter how much you think you can get from trading, it cannot be compared to bitcoin investment which still remains the ultimate and better even if it is not 100% guaranteed, it's also one of the important aspect of bitcoin

Let's not even focus on how much someone can make because focusing on profits can easily make someone lose sight of the real purpose and idea of investing. There's more to Investing than just the profit. Investing is more about building wealth gradually, preserving your finances now to build and achieve a bigger goal in future so what you gain now shouldn't be your concern. Long term investment is the best approach because it gives your investment time to grow properly. With Bitcoin investment you’re giving yourself time to benefit from Bitcoin’s long term growth instead of stressing over short term market movements every day.

[GeorgeJohn]

Those that hold bitcoin for 3 years and then start taking profits are traders and not investor.

It's your way of understanding holding of bitcoin, They're people who hold bitcoin for short-term only, And they have a limited years they can hold their bitcoin before taking profit  why some can hold for as many as they like...Holding bitcoin for 3 years and pull of your profit, that doesn't mean that you're a trader...

Long term holders are those that can be able to hold bitcoin for at least 5 years and above. The mindset of thinking about taking profits from bitcoin investment at an initial stage that is during accumulation phase is typical of a trader, that's the reason why I said that taking profits from bitcoin at an early stage like the said 3 years is trading and not investing.

That's difference between 3 years and five years...it's not guaranteed that holding of bitcoin most be at range of five years before it will guarantee that you're a bitcoin holder...Every investor have a target for holding bitcoin, and most of the investors the reason why they prolong holding bitcoin, it's because of profit making why some hold bitcoin base on economy reserve...

[Tmoonz]

but when a person invests a very large amount of money at once, then the natural volatility of Bitcoin also becomes a cause for panic for him. That is why it is safer and more reasonable to invest consistently instead of investing in such an aggressive way.

If a person has a large discretionary income at his disposal upon starting to invest in bitcoin, he can go ahead and buy with large amounts. If the same person is committed to long-term involvement in bitcoin, he wouldn't panic because he bought with a large amount, rather he would continue holding and keep enlarging his portfolio at intervals if he has not yet reached his accumulation target and keep to his long-term commitment. More of the reasons people panic is when they buy beyond their discretionary income, so they are afraid of loosing the money they cannot afford to loose which they put into buying bitcoin and those who are into bitcoin for quick-profits. If an investor is committed to long-term in bitcoin, then short-term price fluctuations should not be his problems, let's stop getting it twisted, it is not more reasonable to invest whimpily when you can invest at a faster pace within your means, it is understandable if the new investor is still gaining confidence in bitcoin and is starting small. Investing little amount while you've bulk of cash as discretionary income might not really be the best option because cash stacked would still depreciate and it is best if you deploy some good quantity to increase your aggressiveness into bitcoin which would preserve its value for you on the long-run.

There is nothing wrong when an investor whether they are new or not choses to invest little amount of their discretionary income even while they have a larger discretionary income, let's say every one has this Liberty to be this aggressive or maybe wimpy in their investment, investing at a faster rate is not the problem but the question is does it satisfies your confidence and in consideration of what other objectives you have to do with your discretionary income in opposed to buying Bitcoin.

[Xackie]

I agree with you that it is very important to know your financial situation and how much risk you can take before investing in BTC. The DCA method can be a good strategy in the long term, because it does not have to worry much about the daily fluctuations of the market. However, you should always invest money that will not cause a big problem in your personal life even if you lose it. Patience and proper planning are the most important things here.

To make investing in Bitcoin less risky, dollar cost averaging is a nice, comfortable and popular method that reduces the risk by gradually, continuously buying and accumulating Bitcoin. Since the investment is made and held for the long term, patience is very important here and planning means you have to continue investing regularly.

Since you don't have to invest a lot of money at once, it's possible to stay mentally strong. When a low-income person invests his savings of several years in Bitcoin, he can't keep his mentality strong due to the volatility of the price.

But if he had followed the DCA method and accumulated little by little, the fluctuations in the price of Bitcoin would not have affected his mentality that much. He wouldn't have felt the financial and mental stress as much like he would  felt in lump sum .

Many people think that to be successful in Bitcoin, you have to invest a large amount of money at once, but the reality is not like that, even a person with a low income can achieve a lot if he continues to invest with small amounts consistently. There will be volatility, but we have to understand it and continue to invest despite the volatility. If we maintain consistency, the negative impact of volatility is much less, but when a person invests a very large amount of money at once, then the natural volatility of Bitcoin also becomes a cause for panic for him. That is why it is safer and more reasonable to invest consistently instead of investing in such an aggressive way.

Consistency is one of the most important things when investing in Bitcoin. To invest doesn't require huge amount what matters is consistency and not the amount you invest because it's not everyone that can afford to invest a huge amount at once so even small amounts regularly can still grow bigger as long as you're consistently investing little by little for a long period. That's why we have DCA strategy that makes investing affordable by low income earners too. Investing regularly even reduce the impact of volatility.
Investing aggressively shouldn't be discouraged as long as you have enough discretionary income and won't be using part of your money for your expenses.

You are right, consistency is an important aspect in Bitcoin investment. it's easy for someone to figure out their Discretionary income, but what matters is how long you keep on accumulating Bitcoin either on a weekly or monthly basis. Your Bitcoin holdings can't grow if you don't invest regularly especially when you are someone who starts investing in Bitcoin with low amounts unlike people who begin with big amounts,but they still need to be also consistent. Why am saying this is because someone people will be determined to buy Bitcoin this week , then completely forget about it for a long time, so when they hear something about Bitcoin again they will buy and forget again and it continues like. Then after many years of inconsistent accumulation, they will now realize that they haven't built enough Bitcoin holdings, which later turns to regret..... so when you decide to use DCA method, make sure you find yourself accumulating regularly, be disciplined about it.
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[Barikui1]

Those that hold bitcoin for 3 years and then start taking profits are traders and not investor.

It's your way of understanding holding of bitcoin, They're people who hold bitcoin for short-term only, And they have a limited years they can hold their bitcoin before taking profit  why some can hold for as many as they like...Holding bitcoin for 3 years and pull of your profit, that doesn't mean that you're a trader...

No matter how you are trying to make It look pleasing in the eye, it still doesn't make sense because anyone that did such, by selling off or taking profit from his Bitcoin investment when he hasn't gotten to his over accumulation status is a trader that is trading his bitcoin for minimal gains, besides how do you explain and convince me that someone that started taking profit from his Bitcoin when it's not even up to a circle is not a trader?

That's difference between 3 years and five years...it's not guaranteed that holding of bitcoin most be at range of five years before it will guarantee that you're a bitcoin holder...Every investor have a target for holding bitcoin, and most of the investors the reason why they prolong holding bitcoin, it's because of profit making why some hold bitcoin base on economy reserve...

You are here emphasizing on target as if having target entails that you are automatically an investor or it guarantees anything, forgetting that even traders have their own target of profit  making, so it's not proper to be using target as an excuse for trading your Bitcoin and still be saying that such person is an investor.