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[Bright0515]

It's your way of understanding holding of bitcoin, They're people who hold bitcoin for short-term only, And they have a limited years they can hold their bitcoin before taking profit  why some can hold for as many as they like...Holding bitcoin for 3 years and pull of your profit, that doesn't mean that you're a trader...

Honestly I get your points clearly but let's be informed that trading isn't just specified in time because from my own understanding both behaviors, constantly selling, different strategies and constant price speculations are also part of what traders do, so it's not just about timing. What I'm trying to say here is that a trader has different patterns and behaviors because they always want to make quick profits from the market.
In as much as Bitcoin investment is concerned theres a higher chance that if you are not consistent in buying Bitcoin Bitcoin whenever you have discretionary income, you might end up not being discipline to be consistent with buying Bitcoin and it will definitely affect you in the future or even turn you into being a trader because you are not serious with buying and you don't have the mindset of investment.

Holding for just 3 year then take profits or sell all off, is not a good pattern at all because what if you sell and Bitcoin keep on rising?
The truth is that the person will definitely regret it. Although we all know that long term holding can also be long term waiting but with being patient while we keep on accumulating more SATs into our Bitcoin portfolio believing that the future will be better is what keeps many investors going and honestly they don't regret it because mear looking at the history of Bitcoin, the price it was 10 years back is no longer the same as today because today is much more higher compared to the past.
Imagine you holding for just 3 years then sell all (not good), then today Bitcoin keeps adding up, regrets will definitely come.

[Kelward]

Basically I agree with you not everyone invests for the long term, some invest for the short term, hoping that their investment will mature in a certain month or they will be able to earn a certain amount of dividend from the investment so we should abandon the habit of calling traders investors. @ejikeme24 Don't forget to mention that becoming an investor is absolutely easy, to earn this title, you need to be patient and persistent with investment for at least 3-5 years. So from experience, we have to say that those who hold this coin in the short term with the implicit expectation of a guaranteed profit are in the wrong mental framework.

Bitcoin is associated with the long term but if it is for three to five years, it does not seem to be able to bring us the desired success. Although it may brings a little profit with this little time as you mentioned, it cannot be said for sure and here profit is related to trade. To invest in Bitcoin, you need to set a five to ten year mindset. And I think those who invest in Bitcoin on a short term basis should be considered as traders not investors.

Bitcoin circles are approximately within 4 years so anything short of that shouldn't actually be considered as long term, if you plan to take profit on a shorter timeframe then 4 years you can be considered as a trader with a long term timeframe. Timeframe is the main difference between a trader and an investor, a trader can time to take profit within 1 day to less than 3 years to 4 years, anything above should be considered as an investor.

Although it is preferable for Bitcoin investors to have a timeframe between 8 to 10 years and above so that they will hold past 2 Bitcoin bull run circles, although nothing is guaranteed but we can expect that Bitcoin will go past two stages of ATH. If your goal is to accumulate and hold for the long term as a Bitcoin investor you shouldn't bother to monitor the market except your strategy is to buy dip if not just DCA as long as you have discretionary funds to accumulate.

[avp2306]

but when a person invests a very large amount of money at once, then the natural volatility of Bitcoin also becomes a cause for panic for him. That is why it is safer and more reasonable to invest consistently instead of investing in such an aggressive way.

If a person has a large discretionary income at his disposal upon starting to invest in bitcoin, he can go ahead and buy with large amounts. If the same person is committed to long-term involvement in bitcoin, he wouldn't panic because he bought with a large amount, rather he would continue holding and keep enlarging his portfolio at intervals if he has not yet reached his accumulation target and keep to his long-term commitment. More of the reasons people panic is when they buy beyond their discretionary income, so they are afraid of loosing the money they cannot afford to loose which they put into buying bitcoin and those who are into bitcoin for quick-profits. If an investor is committed to long-term in bitcoin, then short-term price fluctuations should not be his problems, let's stop getting it twisted, it is not more reasonable to invest whimpily when you can invest at a faster pace within your means, it is understandable if the new investor is still gaining confidence in bitcoin and is starting small. Investing little amount while you've bulk of cash as discretionary income might not really be the best option because cash stacked would still depreciate and it is best if you deploy some good quantity to increase your aggressiveness into bitcoin which would preserve its value for you on the long-run.

There is nothing wrong when an investor whether they are new or not choses to invest little amount of their discretionary income even while they have a larger discretionary income, let's say every one has this Liberty to be this aggressive or maybe wimpy in their investment, investing at a faster rate is not the problem but the question is does it satisfies your confidence and in consideration of what other objectives you have to do with your discretionary income in opposed to buying Bitcoin.

True that everyone has their own freedom to choose how small or big their investment, its best to invest what they are comfortable to spend.

Its not a problem if they want to invest small, since what matter is if this align with their plans and confidence level. If their priorities or those important needs is been covered, then even those small investment they put for Bitcoin still valid figures.

[Crytohillss]

You are wrong Charcol.
Even though bitcoin is different from gambling and/or trading, the same idea of investing no more than you can afford to lose is the correct mental framework... and it seems that your own expectation of a guaranteed return shows that your expectations are likely not correct.. you are in a wrong mental framework with underlying expectations of guaranteed return, which is not true... even though you can do what you like and maintain wrong expectations.

A lot of individuals get confuse investing with expectations of getting quick profits and that mindset alone changes how people react to the Market cycle. Investing in Bitcoin long term requires patience discipline and understanding that volatility is the part of the movement invest what you can afford to lose doesn't mean invest peanuts out of fear it simply means not risking money that would as affect your daily life or peace of mind if the market moves against you. the real key is consistency and having a strategy like while DCA while focusing on building over time instead of chasing fast returns.

[Agbam]

Nowadays, many new traders entry the market hoping to buy at a low price and sell at a higher price. But in reality things are not that simple. fear during price drops and greed during price increases often lead people to make wrong decisions which later causes losses.
In my opinion chasing profit without understanding the market and the risks involved is a big mistake. Making small but consistent profits over time is much better than running after unrealistic gains.
In trading, learning technical analysis is important, but controlling emotions and making the right decisions at the right time are equally important.

When I started reading your comment I was liking what you were saying until I saw where you’re going. This thread is not about trading and I’m assuming you’re one but the better choice will be to buy and hodl for a long term of 4-10 years.

You see everyone who invests in bitcoin buys and sells but where the difference lies is in the period of hodl to selling. If you go into bitcoin thinking about profits at the early stages, you’re already on the wrong track.
Talking about Technical Analysis and controlling emotions: All those skills and analysis doesn’t make you not lose money in trading.

[Soldroplet]

but when a person invests a very large amount of money at once, then the natural volatility of Bitcoin also becomes a cause for panic for him. That is why it is safer and more reasonable to invest consistently instead of investing in such an aggressive way.

If a person has a large discretionary income at his disposal upon starting to invest in bitcoin, he can go ahead and buy with large amounts. If the same person is committed to long-term involvement in bitcoin, he wouldn't panic because he bought with a large amount, rather he would continue holding and keep enlarging his portfolio at intervals if he has not yet reached his accumulation target and keep to his long-term commitment. More of the reasons people panic is when they buy beyond their discretionary income, so they are afraid of loosing the money they cannot afford to loose which they put into buying bitcoin and those who are into bitcoin for quick-profits. If an investor is committed to long-term in bitcoin, then short-term price fluctuations should not be his problems, let's stop getting it twisted, it is not more reasonable to invest whimpily when you can invest at a faster pace within your means, it is understandable if the new investor is still gaining confidence in bitcoin and is starting small. Investing little amount while you've bulk of cash as discretionary income might not really be the best option because cash stacked would still depreciate and it is best if you deploy some good quantity to increase your aggressiveness into bitcoin which would preserve its value for you on the long-run.

There is nothing wrong when an investor whether they are new or not choses to invest little amount of their discretionary income even while they have a larger discretionary income, let's say every one has this Liberty to be this aggressive or maybe wimpy in their investment, investing at a faster rate is not the problem but the question is does it satisfies your confidence and in consideration of what other objectives you have to do with your discretionary income in opposed to buying Bitcoin.

True that everyone has their own freedom to choose how small or big their investment, its best to invest what they are comfortable to spend.

Its not a problem if they want to invest small, since what matter is if this align with their plans and confidence level. If their priorities or those important needs is been covered, then even those small investment they put for Bitcoin still valid figures.

Your words seem very realistic to me. Everyone has the freedom to invest in Bitcoin, but that freedom is beautiful only when it is done in accordance with one's capabilities and needs. In my opinion, it is more important to ensure emergency expenses, family, education or daily needs before investing in Bitcoin, because investing in Bitcoin under pressure will lead you to make the wrong decision.

The DCA method can be very effective here. Because in this, instead of investing a large sum of money at once, you can invest a little bit every month or week according to your capabilities. In this, excessive fear or greed about market fluctuations does not work, but rather you can move forward in the long term through patience and planning. Therefore, for me, investing with the right mindset, regularity and understanding of risk is more important than making big investments. Investment should be made to build your future without destroying your peace.

[PhilosopherKing]

Basically I agree with you not everyone invests for the long term, some invest for the short term, hoping that their investment will mature in a certain month or they will be able to earn a certain amount of dividend from the investment so we should abandon the habit of calling traders investors. @ejikeme24 Don't forget to mention that becoming an investor is absolutely easy, to earn this title, you need to be patient and persistent with investment for at least 3-5 years. So from experience, we have to say that those who hold this coin in the short term with the implicit expectation of a guaranteed profit are in the wrong mental framework.

3-5 years is still short time and it is trading man. If person investment amount is small, even 5 years cannot earn the person enough bitcoin to call it a solid stash.. The person will need to continue investing for Ten or Fifteen year onward for them to build a solid stash. So I think that for a person to be an investor the person have to develop patience and go on investing for a long time without thinking of selling to make profit. Because profit can always come later.

[alankasman]

3-5 years is still short time and it is trading man. If person investment amount is small, even 5 years cannot earn the person enough bitcoin to call it a solid stash.. The person will need to continue investing for Ten or Fifteen year onward for them to build a solid stash. So I think that for a person to be an investor the person have to develop patience and go on investing for a long time without thinking of selling to make profit. Because profit can always come later.

The ideal investment timeframe for all parties is 10-15 years to achieve a substantial investment but many argue that 5-8 years is sufficient. Therefore I understand this question and it's certainly inappropriate for them to invest within a 5-8 year timeframe. This is a very short timeframe for investing. Therefore many are now investing in Bitcoin for the long term. Investing over a 10-15 year period certainly yields greater savings than investing over a short period but the growth rate is certainly not optimal.

Therefore when investing it's important for someone to build a portfolio over a long period of time. This will maximize the growth of their investment. Patience with the investment timeframe is not short but it clearly reaches the desired point which will ultimately lead to success in their efforts to increase their investment.

[Hewlet]

Basically I agree with you not everyone invests for the long term, some invest for the short term, hoping that their investment will mature in a certain month or they will be able to earn a certain amount of dividend from the investment so we should abandon the habit of calling traders investors. @ejikeme24 Don't forget to mention that becoming an investor is absolutely easy, to earn this title, you need to be patient and persistent with investment for at least 3-5 years. So from experience, we have to say that those who hold this coin in the short term with the implicit expectation of a guaranteed profit are in the wrong mental framework.

3-5 years is still short time and it is trading man. If person investment amount is small, even 5 years cannot earn the person enough bitcoin to call it a solid stash.. The person will need to continue investing for Ten or Fifteen year onward for them to build a solid stash. So I think that for a person to be an investor the person have to develop patience and go on investing for a long time without thinking of selling to make profit. Because profit can always come later.

An investor that's able to stay invested for at least a period of five years is old enough to have a full understanding of what long term investment entails and certainly, for such an investor, I don't think it's neccesary to keep reminding him of the neccesity of not selling his holding because he should have known it by himself.

For someone that's able to hold his asset for a period of five years, he's surpassed a circle while being invested and there's absolutely nothing wrong calling such a person and investor because it actually takes a lot to even stay that long. Depending on what the investor is able to gather by a space of five years,  it will go a long way to influence the way he chooses to go about his next phase. Every number of of years you've remained invested without selling your asset is worth celebrating because not all that planned doing so where able to do it.

[Cossyblack]

It's your way of understanding holding of bitcoin, They're people who hold bitcoin for short-term only, And they have a limited years they can hold their bitcoin before taking profit  why some can hold for as many as they like...Holding bitcoin for 3 years and pull of your profit, that doesn't mean that you're a trader...

Does it even make sense to hold Bitcoin and sell it within three years as a long-term investor? In my opinion  it doesn't because buying and selling of bitcoin withing a period of three years is trading. An investor shouldn't take profits when they haven't reached over accumulation, that's trading.  it is only a trader who sell his Bitcoin early for profits.
You are trader that is why you don't see it as a bad idea if someone sells they bitcoin within three years for profits. In my opinion You're trader If you're just buying and selling and you're not holdin for 4-10 years or more.

[Charcol]

3-5 years is still short time and it is trading man. If person investment amount is small, even 5 years cannot earn the person enough bitcoin to call it a solid stash.. The person will need to continue investing for Ten or Fifteen year onward for them to build a solid stash. So I think that for a person to be an investor the person have to develop patience and go on investing for a long time without thinking of selling to make profit. Because profit can always come later.

The ideal investment timeframe for all parties is 10-15 years to achieve a substantial investment but many argue that 5-8 years is sufficient. Therefore I understand this question and it's certainly inappropriate for them to invest within a 5-8 year timeframe. This is a very short timeframe for investing. Therefore many are now investing in Bitcoin for the long term. Investing over a 10-15 year period certainly yields greater savings than investing over a short period but the growth rate is certainly not optimal.

When investing in Bitcoin, we must plan for the long term. It should not be seen as a quick profit plan of a few months or a few years. Especially if the savings are not significant.

But it is quite difficult to call 5-8 years a short time. Do you know that 5-8 years is a long time for many, and in many cases, even this 5-8 year period can be meaningful. But it actually depends on when the person started, how regularly he bought, what is the situation of his income and expenses, whether he has an emergency fund or whether he can hold on without selling. And 5-8 years is also a long time. During this period, if someone buys Bitcoin regularly with discretionary income, has an emergency fund, avoids debt pressure and does not sell in panic, then he can build a good position in 5-8 years.

However, I believe that the thought of 10-15 years is stronger. And during this time, there is an opportunity to withstand multiple fluctuations in the market.

[letteredhub]

True that everyone has their own freedom to choose how small or big their investment, its best to invest what they are comfortable to spend.

Its not a problem if they want to invest small, since what matter is if this align with their plans and confidence level. If their priorities or those important needs is been covered, then even those small investment they put for Bitcoin still valid figures.

Having to invest should be the most important concern for any guy out there who wants to build a portfolio with bitcoin investment. It shouldn't be about the size of the portfolio but how well at the end of all the time taken to make those timely purchasing through DCA approach. Bitcoin investment isn't a competitive process but rather one that offers every guy the opportunity to purchase any unit in sats that they can afford to, accumulatively without stretching or having to emptying your savings and emergency funds.

[BTC princess]

You are wrong Charcol.
Even though bitcoin is different from gambling and/or trading, the same idea of investing no more than you can afford to lose is the correct mental framework... and it seems that your own expectation of a guaranteed return shows that your expectations are likely not correct.. you are in a wrong mental framework with underlying expectations of guaranteed return, which is not true... even though you can do what you like and maintain wrong expectations.

A lot of individuals get confuse investing with expectations of getting quick profits and that mindset alone changes how people react to the Market cycle. Investing in Bitcoin long term requires patience discipline and understanding that volatility is the part of the movement invest what you can afford to lose doesn't mean invest peanuts out of fear it simply means not risking money that would as affect your daily life or peace of mind if the market moves against you. the real key is consistency and having a strategy like while DCA while focusing on building over time instead of chasing fast returns.

In as much as you are right in some of your points, but I think you are very wrong to know the meaning of investing in what you can afford to lose.
What you can afford to lose means your spear money that's the descretionary income a left over income after you have finished settling your needs , the spear is call descretionary income, if you invest with it and along the line you lost it , it will not eat you up because you have indeed settled all your needs , and now you can afford to lose it, because is your spear money, that's why jayjuanGee always said invest in what you can afford to lose, so when you finally lost as the matter of fact, you will not feel a sharp pain within you because you invited with your descretionary income.

[Sarah_Jannat42]

Nowadays, many new traders entry the market hoping to buy at a low price and sell at a higher price. But in reality things are not that simple. fear during price drops and greed during price increases often lead people to make wrong decisions which later causes losses.
In my opinion chasing profit without understanding the market and the risks involved is a big mistake. Making small but consistent profits over time is much better than running after unrealistic gains.
In trading, learning technical analysis is important, but controlling emotions and making the right decisions at the right time are equally important.

First determine where your focus is (investment or trading). If the focus is trading related, then this is the wrong place for you. Here we only discuss long-term investment in Bitcoin. A new investor should gain general knowledge about Bitcoin and long-term investment. And it is very important to know with what money to start his investment activities. A person will start his investment activities in Bitcoin with the money that is left after meeting his basic needs (it can be $ 10). And we know that, just as for success in any work, consistency is needed, in order to invest in Bitcoin, an investor will continue to buy and collect Bitcoin on a weekly or monthly basis (whichever is his comfort zone) and hold it for at least 4-10 years. In this way, if you invest patiently and keep the mindset of long-term investment, the rate of success from that investment is much higher than any other work.

[Umulala-alala]

Nowadays, many new traders entry the market hoping to buy at a low price and sell at a higher price. But in reality things are not that simple. fear during price drops and greed during price increases often lead people to make wrong decisions which later causes losses.
In my opinion chasing profit without understanding the market and the risks involved is a big mistake. Making small but consistent profits over time is much better than running after unrealistic gains.
In trading, learning technical analysis is important, but controlling emotions and making the right decisions at the right time are equally important.

First determine where your focus is (investment or trading). If the focus is trading related, then this is the wrong place for you. Here we only discuss long-term investment in Bitcoin. A new investor should gain general knowledge about Bitcoin and long-term investment. And it is very important to know with what money to start his investment activities. A person will start his investment activities in Bitcoin with the money that is left after meeting his basic needs (it can be $ 10). And we know that, just as for success in any work, consistency is needed, in order to invest in Bitcoin, an investor will continue to buy and collect Bitcoin on a weekly or monthly basis (whichever is his comfort zone) and hold it for at least 4-10 years. In this way, if you invest patiently and keep the mindset of long-term investment, the rate of success from that investment is much higher than any other work.

I agreed with what you just said about bitcoin investment apart from the bold part, if a new investor what to start investing in bitcoin he doesn't need gain all general knowledge about BTC before he can start because he will not get started if he wants to gain general knowledge about bitcoin because he can't know all about bitcoin BUT if he can gain some basic knowledge and also have his discretionary income he can get started just with basic knowledge and discretionary income then as he is buying so he will be learning more about bitcoin investment.

[Showlove01]

Basically I agree with you not everyone invests for the long term, some invest for the short term, hoping that their investment will mature in a certain month or they will be able to earn a certain amount of dividend from the investment so we should abandon the habit of calling traders investors. @ejikeme24 Don't forget to mention that becoming an investor is absolutely easy, to earn this title, you need to be patient and persistent with investment for at least 3-5 years. So from experience, we have to say that those who hold this coin in the short term with the implicit expectation of a guaranteed profit are in the wrong mental framework.

3-5 years is still short time and it is trading man. If person investment amount is small, even 5 years cannot earn the person enough bitcoin to call it a solid stash.. The person will need to continue investing for Ten or Fifteen year onward for them to build a solid stash. So I think that for a person to be an investor the person have to develop patience and go on investing for a long time without thinking of selling to make profit. Because profit can always come later.

I disagree with you 3-5 Years is not really short and it is not trading and what will determine if the period is short to have a good stash or portfolio is investor's capacity and capability. An investor with a good or handsome discretionary income can get a handsome or huge portfolio before this period of time. So, how consistent and the availability of discretionary income will determine what someone portfolio will look like in this interval as 3-5 years is really a good period of time to accumulate.

[Bryan jessy]

Nowadays, many new traders entry the market hoping to buy at a low price and sell at a higher price. But in reality things are not that simple. fear during price drops and greed during price increases often lead people to make wrong decisions which later causes losses.
In my opinion chasing profit without understanding the market and the risks involved is a big mistake. Making small but consistent profits over time is much better than running after unrealistic gains.
In trading, learning technical analysis is important, but controlling emotions and making the right decisions at the right time are equally important.

First determine where your focus is (investment or trading). If the focus is trading related, then this is the wrong place for you. Here we only discuss long-term investment in Bitcoin. A new investor should gain general knowledge about Bitcoin and long-term investment. And it is very important to know with what money to start his investment activities. A person will start his investment activities in Bitcoin with the money that is left after meeting his basic needs (it can be $ 10). And we know that, just as for success in any work, consistency is needed, in order to invest in Bitcoin, an investor will continue to buy and collect Bitcoin on a weekly or monthly basis (whichever is his comfort zone) and hold it for at least 4-10 years. In this way, if you invest patiently and keep the mindset of long-term investment, the rate of success from that investment is much higher than any other work.

The main problem some persons encounter in Bitcoin investments is lack of basic knowledge about Bitcoin and it investment, because if a person is not fit enough to bare the changes in price, a person might end up depressed, watching the money they invented turn almost zero, for someone who does not know about discretionary income and emergency funds, and ended up investing almost everything he had hoping the price will go up soon, and it turns to be the opposite. Really that basic knowledge is very important and a person should also made up their mind on what investment method they want to operate, either long term or short term investment to avoid confusion.

[Lembo69]

The main problem some persons encounter in Bitcoin investments is lack of basic knowledge about Bitcoin and it investment, because if a person is not fit enough to bare the changes in price, a person might end up depressed, watching the money they invented turn almost zero, for someone who does not know about discretionary income and emergency funds, and ended up investing almost everything he had hoping the price will go up soon, and it turns to be the opposite. Really that basic knowledge is very important and a person should also made up their mind on what investment method they want to operate, either long term or short term investment to avoid confusion.

In my opinion, the short-term issue is more related to trading. Because real investments are usually made based on long-term plans. An investor has to decide at the beginning whether he will invest for the long term for at least 4-10 years. If someone wants, he can also invest for a full market cycle, which can be about 4-5 years. However, there is no guarantee that he will definitely make a profit by investing for such a long time.
I think that every investor should first determine what goal and purpose he is investing for. If someone has the intention to profit from Bitcoin in the long term, then he must move forward with a long-term mindset.

@Bryan Jessy, you are right that to invest in Bitcoin, one must have the mental ability to tolerate price fluctuations. This mental toughness helps an investor maintain his investment discipline. If someone has a stable source of income, then he can invest for the long term from his discretionary income. Additionally, if he saves at least 6 months of expenses as an emergency fund, it will be much easier for him to remain a long-term holder.

[I_Anime]

It's your way of understanding holding of bitcoin, They're people who hold bitcoin for short-term only, And they have a limited years they can hold their bitcoin before taking profit  why some can hold for as many as they like...Holding bitcoin for 3 years and pull of your profit, that doesn't mean that you're a trader...

Does it even make sense to hold Bitcoin and sell it within three years as a long-term investor? In my opinion  it doesn't because buying and selling of bitcoin withing a period of three years is trading. An investor shouldn't take profits when they haven't reached over accumulation, that's trading.  it is only a trader who sell his Bitcoin early for profits.
You are trader that is why you don't see it as a bad idea if someone sells they bitcoin within three years for profits. In my opinion You're trader If you're just buying and selling and you're not holdin for 4-10 years or more.

Every one with their accumulation goal , many set their goal as accumulating a certain number of bitcoin. While some is holding and accumulating for certain numbers of years. So there’s nothing wrong with taken profit  after reaching their goal .

It is only wrong when you sell off all  bitcoin , which is not smart at all . Reaching goal doesn’t mean you will sell all your coins , no one is stopping you from taken profits but there are smart ways to do that than selling off all your holdings .

[ejikeme24]

In light of what jayjuanGee also says that investing in Bitcoin is not guaranteed to be profitable in the future, not also guaranteed to get anything back, due to execution risk and underlying asset risk.
That if you act like their is a guarantee of making profits that probably you will have a problematic mindset.
So if your investing in Bitcoin just remove your mindsets in profit, that's the more reason it's good to invest in amount that you can afford to lose because you should have the mindset of not getting anything back in return.
So in conclusion an investor shouldn't discuss profit at his accumulation level but he should think of how to buy more Bitcoin and hold and not discuss profit at his level, if not he will confused and also mislead biggners.

How did you think it is possible for one to remove their mind in anything profit when profit is what motivates people to invest in bitcoin? I think you don't get the full gist of what JJG said. Probably he might be saying that we don't need to rely too much on making profit from our bitcoin investment since there's no guarantee about the outcome . You saying that we should remove our mindset from profit doesn't sound well because it's the hope of getting profit from our investment that motivates us to keep stacking so that to enable us get a good potential return that's if it eventually work as expected.