Reee: Which campaign has the most spammers?

[nutildah]

Need to ree this thread since it was locked and I still have questions for the Stake campaign manager. I voted for Stake in the original thread, BTW, because the sheer volume of shitposts generated by this campaign is insane.

Well, now let me point some things that I see some people are misinterpreting in our campaign

• We do not incentive or support spam of any kind. Every post with less than 150 characters, with an interval of less than 5 minutes (between each post) or has no quality is not paid.
• AI usage is forbidden in our campaign (and I really wish all the campaign managers would do the same).

Seems like people aren't misinterpreting anything but rather you are failing to apply the rules of your own campaign. I bet you I could find at least 5 active AI spammers within your campaign right now. Let's the start with the most obvious one, who had been criticized for his non-constructive shitposting for months:

borovichok

Recently I had 9 "AI spam" reports against him marked as "Good":



Although this one remains "unhandled", I suppose because it is half genuine and half AI (guess which half is which   ):

I don’t see your action as a form of support. This is reckless gambling and as you know stake also promotes the slogan bet responsibly. Gambling doesn`t cross my mind when I receive payment because I know the efforts I put in to meet weekly tasks so throwing the payment away will cost me my mental health and so I have always tried to avoid it. When you lose your weekly payment to the casino, you are essentially losing a portion of your income that could have been used for essential expenses such as bills, groceries, rent, or savings. This loss can lead to mental disturbance. It is essential to prioritize your financial well-being and avoid gambling with money that you cannot afford to lose.

Losing your weekly payment to the casino can also have profound emotional effects. The stress and shame associated with losing money through gambling can take a toll on your overall well-being. If you find yourself consistently losing your weekly payment to the casino and struggling to control this behaviour, it may be necessary to seek help from support groups, counselling services, or helplines dedicated to assisting individuals with gambling addiction. Recognizing the problem early and taking proactive steps towards recovery is key to regaining control over your finances and well-being.

When you are talking about a brand that runs 2 campaigns, with a total of 124 members, referring to its members, in general, as spammer is just stupid.

It's absolutely a fair generalization given the exceptionally low standards you have for the quality of poster who may join your campaign.

I also know many of our members are on top 50 in quantity of posts but a lot of them have a rating of 7.5+ for their quality so definitely not what I would simply call "spam".. but I also have to agree that, going further, some of the top 100 are under that rating so we will be working on it by the next week.

As was already mentioned, this is a completely meaningless metric that is not valued by anyone on the forum other than your staff and participants.

Last but not least, I am always open to read your suggestions. This is the first time I am running a campaign (and I like to believe the I am doing well, otherwise the campaign would not be on for so many years) & we always have something to learn.

My suggestions would be:

1. Cut the number of participants you have in half, retaining only the highest-merited users with non-purchased accounts.
2. Cut the total number of weekly posts paid per participant by 1/3. You can pay them more per post if you'd like since you are dismissing the worst posters.

This way, the chances of your campaign being named the spammiest will be reduced by half.

[examplens]

I agree here that Stake is by far the leading campaign when looking at spam production.
It is completely unclear why this is so because they currently have the largest weekly budget and everything could look completely different.

For me, the best thing is that the campaign is managed by a team of 6 people, which leaves only two possible conclusions. they deliberately allow this spamfest or they are incompetent to manage such a large campaign.

Get to know our Management team:
- Jesse: over 8 years experienced gambler (casino & sportsbook) and with a great knowledge about crypto. He is the responsible for messaging new approved members. He also check everyone posts to prevent issues with people who use to edit empty posts to abuse from the campaign (an issue we have faced 2x in the past). Working with me for like 4 years.
- Adrian: over 8 years experienced gambler (casino & sportsbook) and with a great knowledge about crypto. He is one of the guys to read & rate everyone posts and also works in the payments sheet. Working with me for like 6 years.
- CapHook: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world early 2021. He is also one of the guys to read & rate everyone posts and also works in the payments sheet. Working with me for over 2 years now. (he is also the one to handle things when I am not around)
- Tiiks: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world late in 2023. He is one more of the team to read & rate everyone posts. He also works in the payments sheet.
- Bere: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world in the end of 2022 (when she started to work with me). She is responsible for reading & rating every single post from the campaign members. She also works in the payments sheet as a final reviewer (to prevent mispayments).
- Me: joined casino, sportsbook & crypto world early 2014. I am the responsible for handling custom deals & sending the payments. Beside that I am the one to reply to all the questions & try to solve any issue our campaign members may have as long as these will not overpass the campaign rules.

[Apocollapse]

I repeat my previous answer: Stake.

My suggestion is to hire a campaign manager, he's not capable to handle a campaign, he said that he will combat against AI usage and spams, but as we can see there's no improvement at all.

Other alternative is to replace all the existing posts reviewers, hire few users from this list.

	SpamBuster	GazetaBitcoin (69), nutildah (43), lovesmayfamilis (32), light_warrior (14), jokers10 (7), 1miau (7), The Sceptical Chymist (5), bitbollo (4), actmyname (4), Lafu (4)

1. Cut the number of participants you have in half, retaining only the highest-merited users with non-purchased accounts.

He will counter your suggestion by saying:

I dont really trust in the current Merit System, tbh. I have seen shitty posters with over 5k merits and I have also seen good posters that barely could reach Sr Member so no, dont ask me to use it as basis to accept or maintain members in the campaign because I wont.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Stake recently removed the Sr. Members from their campaign but they are still one of, if not the largest signature campaign. They have not taken any other significant measures to reduce the amount of spam. I checked some of the names I recognized from their campaign on Ninjastic and some of them have 75+ posts in a week. No coincidence these are all people who make redundant and low quality posts to inflate their count.

Their rating system is also entirely useless, as AI spammers like YuginKadoya were always near the highest rated week after week. Going back several months in their rating spreadsheet I see that jakelyson, who I am certain is another alt of YuginKadoya based on their writing style and behavioral patterns, was also enrolled in their campaign at the same time.

[Lucius]

A campaign that works according to the principles of "quantity instead of quality" and has been doing so for a very long time definitely shows that it does not matter what its participants write, but how many posts they make every week/month. I sincerely doubt that anyone from their team reads all those posts, much less checks them with AI detectors, because in that case they would have to reject at least 50% of the posts as uncountable, which means that the spammers would look for their business elsewhere.

However, I hope that the Stake team will listen to some of the advice and change some things in their campaign.

[SatoPrincess]

It’s hard to open a topic and not see two or more Stake participants posting there. The conditions of the campaign is the reason why its participants are motivated to spam the forum. I doubt any of the campaign participants were posting this much before joining the campaign. Most of them make 80+ posts per week just to meet the maximum post quota and get paid more. I believe if the CM adopts a weekly post quota of 20-30 posts, the post quality will be much better than it is now.

[borovichok]

Seems like people aren't misinterpreting anything but rather you are failing to apply the rules of your own campaign. I bet you I could find at least 5 active AI spammers within your campaign right now. Let's the start with the most obvious one, who had been criticized for his non-constructive shitposting for months:

borovichok

I'm not sure how this AI detector works ( this tools can mislead) , but how did you evaluate my postings using common sense and the ones I responded to as being on topics and decide they were written by AI? If you pay attention to my posts, you will see that all of my responses are on topics. I don't just post; I make sure to quote, and all of my quotes are always on topics, which AI can't do.

Reporting some of my posts and getting them moderated ( is normal) does not mean you are right. I'll state it again: I've never used AI to post, and I have no idea how it works in the first place. It's foolish to subscribe to some AI bots to be posting on the forum. ( I can't)

Read my posts carefully and the ones I quoted. What kind of AI can do that ? I've been wrongly accused before but please don't use it against me. I've been able to increased my posts rating from the last incident.

Edit:
I'll post them here for everyone to see, and I'm curious how you convinced the moderators that these 100% human discussions were AI generated because some random sites said so.

These were healthy discussions and the mod had to throw them out like that ...... Shocked


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[DaveF]

..... I believe if the CM adopts a weekly post quota of 20-30 posts, the post quality will be much better than it is now.

Perhaps, or you may just wind up with the same post quality just less of it.
Either way, I think at this point that it really comes down to the fact that for whatever reason instead of removing people that are spamming the CM just let's it go on.

Should be a rule of sorts, if more then X% of your posts are junk / spam you are removed.
And then you actually have to enforce it.

-Dave

[btc_angela]

And add to that the incentive of having a bonus, so there are members who have at least get it more than once and so they know what the supposedly campaign manager is looking and so they produces this long post that nobody reads because it's just that, they add more to look like they put a lot of thoughts on their reply hence, possible for a bonus.

This campaign has been running for many years and yet the CM don't know how to used the merit system, and to say that they don't trust the merit system, and this is the result, potential spammers go accepted in the campaign and incentivize.

[Beparanf]

The problem on Stake campaign despite they have a lot of people handling the campaign is most of them don’t use the forum personally to have the idea on what’s good quality post is. Most of the Stake participants especially on gambling boards makes their post unnecessary long despite the content is so simple and can be expressed on few line of sentence.

Probably the Stake CM based their scoring on the length of the post not on the actual thought.  This is probably the reason why they still keep a lot of purchased account and AI spammer.

Their pay rate too is insanely low that’s why users are posting are just to get max payment and bonus.

[KingsDen]

so they know what the supposedly campaign manager is looking and so they produces this long post that nobody reads because it's just that, they add more to look like they put a lot of thoughts on their reply hence, possible for a bonus.

Most of the Stake participants especially on gambling boards makes their post unnecessary long despite the content is so simple and can be expressed on few line of sentence.

Both of you summarized the problem of Stake campaign. I gave the manager a suggestion the last time on the former thread, but it seems they implemented what they think is the best.
The rating system is deceitful. If there's a way the participants will complain they may. I have looked at the posts of the users with good ratings, the only criterion for rating is "the length of post". These guys paste wall of texts making it impossible for anyone to read and engage in healthy conversation. There are some good posters in that campaign, but the rules is gradually turning them all to spammers.

• Remove the bonus system
• Cap the campaign at $100
• Remove the post raters, I don't think they are need
• With your weekly budget, your avatar and signature will still dominate the gambling board

[borovichok]

The problem on Stake campaign despite they have a lot of people handling the campaign is most of them don’t use the forum personally to have the idea on what’s good quality post is. Most of the Stake participants especially on gambling boards makes their post unnecessary long despite the content is so simple and can be expressed on few line of sentence.

Probably the Stake CM based their scoring on the length of the post not on the actual thought.  This is probably the reason why they still keep a lot of purchased account and AI spammer.

Their pay rate too is insanely low that’s why users are posting are just to get max payment and bonus.

Sometimes it makes more sense to include more details in conversation rather than simply one or two liner responses. Most people are more interested in the details and how you came to such a conclusion than the answers themselves.

Stake signature is no different from other campaigns; they are only receiving negative energy because the manager does not belong to any club or pays more attention to forum politics, the DT, or the Merit system.

Four experienced individuals grade stake participants, and users with negative evaluations are dropped. My postings are misinterpreted for AI-generated content since they are perhaps too brilliant to be written by humans. I guess.

[Ultegra134]

Both of you summarized the problem of Stake campaign. I gave the manager a suggestion the last time on the former thread, but it seems they implemented what they think is the best.
The rating system is deceitful. If there's a way the participants will complain they may. I have looked at the posts of the users with good ratings, the only criterion for rating is "the length of post". These guys paste wall of texts making it impossible for anyone to read and engage in healthy conversation. There are some good posters in that campaign, but the rules is gradually turning them all to spammers.

• Remove the bonus system
• Cap the campaign at $100
• Remove the post raters, I don't think they are need
• With your weekly budget, your avatar and signature will still dominate the gambling board

I don't think we should expect much when the maximum quota is at 60 posts, and you're receiving a 20% bonus on each post made on the gambling board. The gambling board is flooded with nonsense. It's extremely common to see replies that have nothing to do with the subject of the topic!

I don't doubt that there are participants who create decent posts, but there's a large number of them who're after the maximum they can receive. I'm not going to jump into assumptions to judge their financial situation, and I'm referring to users from third-world countries, but I'm going to remain to the statement that you cannot write constructive and contributing posts when you're after such a quota. I personally couldn't imagine myself writing so many posts and remain on-point; I'd have to spend all day on the forum and still, I would either run out of subjects or a large number of my posts would be of substandard quality.

Sometimes it makes more sense to include more details in conversation rather than simply one or two liner responses. Most people are more interested in the details and how you came to such a conclusion than the answers themselves.

Stake signature is no different from other campaigns; they are only receiving negative energy because the manager does not belong to any club or pays more attention to forum politics, the DT, or the Merit system.

Four experienced individuals grade stake participants, and users with negative evaluations are dropped. My postings are misinterpreted for AI-generated content since they are perhaps too brilliant to be written by humans. I guess.

I think it would be better to own up your mistake and move on, and perhaps, you'd be forgiven by your campaign manager, community or whoever else. The deleted posts were 100% written by an AI software, I can distinguish if it's written by AI without even checking it with any kind of scanner. Most of the times I'm on point, I've reported a handful of users in the past and can now recognize them with decent accuracy. You've been caught, and this isn't the first time either. You don't seem to be learning from your mistakes.

[Beparanf]

The problem on Stake campaign despite they have a lot of people handling the campaign is most of them don’t use the forum personally to have the idea on what’s good quality post is. Most of the Stake participants especially on gambling boards makes their post unnecessary long despite the content is so simple and can be expressed on few line of sentence.

Probably the Stake CM based their scoring on the length of the post not on the actual thought.  This is probably the reason why they still keep a lot of purchased account and AI spammer.

Their pay rate too is insanely low that’s why users are posting are just to get max payment and bonus.

Sometimes it makes more sense to include more details in conversation rather than simply one or two liner responses. Most people are more interested in the details and how you came to such a conclusion than the answers themselves.

I have no problem on reading a more detailed post as long as it’s not a forced prolonged which can be end on simple sentence. Making it more detailed is different than what I’m describing here. I don’t want to quote post here but I talking about post that doesn’t make sense at all yet constructed on 2 to 3 paragraphs long.

Stake signature is no different from other campaigns; they are only receiving negative energy because the manager does not belong to any club or pays more attention to forum politics, the DT, or the Merit system.

Stake is different because they allowed user to participate even if some of them has proven alt of scammer, ban evader, shitposter, purchased account and many more. It’s not about the manager specifically but rather how they manage their campaign.

My postings are misinterpreted for AI-generated content since they are perhaps too brilliant to be written by humans. I guess.

LoL

[borovichok]

I think it would be better to own up your mistake and move on, and perhaps, you'd be forgiven by your campaign manager, community or whoever else. The deleted posts were 100% written by an AI software, I can distinguish if it's written by AI without even checking it with any kind of scanner. Most of the times I'm on point, I've reported a handful of users in the past and can now recognize them with decent accuracy. You've been caught, and this isn't the first time either. You don't seem to be learning from your mistakes.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I will not be pressured into admitting to something I did not do, and if the manager is fine with whatever the website detector report says, she can remove me; I do not want to be the reason the campaign is receiving negative energy. This is not pride; it is understanding who you are and not allowing others do it for you.

Thought I was leaving the reputation and Meta board for good

[Ultegra134]

You are entitled to your opinion, but I will not be pressured into admitting to something I did not do, and if the manager is fine with whatever the website detector report says, she can remove me; I do not want to be the reason the campaign is receiving negative energy. This is not pride; it is understanding who you are and not allowing others do it for you.

Thought I was leaving the reputation and Meta board for good

Most AI writers have a very specific way of typing—too formal or robotic—using certain expressions and words and some other characteristics. Your posts fit perfectly with what I'm referring to. It seems that you have nothing to say in your defense; if it were just one or two posts, I could possibly claim that it was a false positive, even though they look AI-written; however, Nutildah reported 9, which all fit perfectly into the category I just mentioned, and multiple detectors have shown the same results, so it's not my, his, her, or someone else's opinion.

[borovichok]

You are entitled to your opinion, but I will not be pressured into admitting to something I did not do, and if the manager is fine with whatever the website detector report says, she can remove me; I do not want to be the reason the campaign is receiving negative energy. This is not pride; it is understanding who you are and not allowing others do it for you.

Thought I was leaving the reputation and Meta board for good

Most AI writers have a very specific way of typing—too formal or robotic—using certain expressions and words and some other characteristics. Your posts fit perfectly with what I'm referring to. It seems that you have nothing to say in your defense; if it were just one or two posts, I could possibly claim that it was a false positive, even though they look AI-written; however, Nutildah reported 9, which all fit perfectly into the category I just mentioned, and multiple detectors have shown the same results, so it's not my, his, her, or someone else's opinion.

I used the same AI detection website to test one of your most recent posts, and it came up 100% AI generated. Do you still believe the report, or are you using AI to post?

If I run your complete post history through the same system, I'll get more. These tools are imperfect and cannot be used.

https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/e5dc28b08011e3873a9da1980615e942

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We're not anticipating thousands or millions of dollars worth of rewards when gambling on other games, which is why our chances are considerably better. Moreover, most gambling games have very specific outcomes (see roulette, dice, football betting, and so on), while the lottery is composed of numerous tickets with only a few actually winning anything of value. Add the low purchase cost and the large audience you mentioned, and your chances are statistically close to zero.

Personally, I'd rather use that money towards something else; these insignificant amounts we're discussing now can easily add up to reasonable amounts that could be used elsewhere.

[SmartGold01]

But come to think of this how could a campaign I mean same campaign run about 2 to 3 same signature campaign what did they think their participants would product spam right?

Yes It will likely be spam since they have much users and they aren't just doing it for the passion they have for this forum but rather than for the passion they have for earnings though I know we are all getting paid but let it not be obviously where it would shows that people are only interested for their paid and not for the Joy they derived in joining in deep conversation. With this, either you are being paid or not it won't cost you anything rather you post freely without the needs to be called spammers.

I really love the ideas of op saying most of the campaign that is highly populated should be cut down to reduce spam especially those that has been recorded as most spamming campaign, or that are launching two campaign to reduce to one only then can they increased their pay rates with this anyone who is chosen or selected would seat up and know what they are doing.

But still this doesn't stopped projects from hiring as much as many members they think of but, the problems now bounces back to managers, I think merits shouldn't be the only criterion to determine whether a user is a quality poster. Why some manager also consider reputation, if they wanna consider by merits then account creation date should be determined as well because I believe that most of the accounts are airdropped merits while some low merits are from scratch meaning they are created after the meritocracy.

And other ways to determine is also checking their post radio the gape between posts also matters, because I can't seem to understand someone posting between 2 to 5 minute before making another post it makes it looks very messed up at least15 or  20 to 30 minutes is okay in my opinion.

[Rikafip]

I believe if the CM adopts a weekly post quota of 20-30 posts, the post quality will be much better than it is now.

If you keep the same payrate per post and lower the weekly quota, you won't magically increase post quality as same shitposters will stay in the campaign an the only thing that will change is amount of shitposts.

Read my posts carefully and the ones I quoted. What kind of AI can do that ? I've been wrongly accused before but please don't use it against me. I've been able to increased my posts rating from the last incident.

Pretty much any chatbvot tool as all I see in your replies are generic responses to generic topics.

Four experienced individuals grade stake participants

Its interesting how those "4 experienced individuals" rate users simiarly which makes me think that (at best) those 4 are doing a very shitty job and not actually reading posts, or more realistically that story about 4 different persons rating posts is just a bs.

[Ultegra134]

I used the same AI detection website to test one of your most recent posts, and it came up 100% AI generated. Do you still believe the report, or are you using AI to post?

If I run your complete post history through the same system, I'll get more. These tools are imperfect and cannot be used.

https://sapling.ai/ai-content-detector/e5dc28b08011e3873a9da1980615e942

I'm not saying that these scanners are 100% accurate, try testing a few more websites on your reported posts, which as I mentioned already, looked AI-written, does mine look like it was written by an AI? Probably not, you can also ask other members. You believe that I want to prove my point but I actually don't. I'd rather be proven wrong and that your posts are actually human written, because it would suck seeing someone lose their spot in their signature campaign and/or in the forum.