Do you avoid some games because of racism?

[iv4n]

I’m not familiar on racism effects on sports since I never witness one when watching sports. I think you are pertaining to football since you mention VAR which I didn’t watch frequently. Can you share example scenario that describes this racism acts on sports so that non football player can easily catch up to your topic?

I would like to see some examples as well because I can't see how racism can have some huge effects on the result. We have all seen fans chanting really ugly things, and it can probably hurt some players, but surely some players get mad and play even better afterward just to show everyone that they are stronger than the racists who are telling them ugly things. So that can be seen as "racism manipulation", but it's not even close to "game fixing" or anything like that I think.

Thank you for bringing this up because it has become a thing of concern to me. I noticed that in some leagues, the home team will always win whereas it is not like that in other leagues. I have tried asking questions in the past and I was told that the officials do their best to favor the home sides in order to save their head. I don't know if this can be called racism though.

I'm sure it happens in the lowest leagues. When drunken peasants gather to watch a game without any fences or guards and their home team is losing or they simply don't like the referee and his decisions riot starts in seconds. Happened to many times in my country, in countryside leagues. But it's not racism, it's simply a low-level league and it's how things work there.

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[Kelward]

This happened a lot of times in boxing and I lost because of the obvious reason being rigged because of racism. Maybe this is the new normal nowadays in sports but yeah hard to predict when will happen so we really are left being disappointed with results though we just accept and move on.

I only go for big boxing game like the Anthony Joshua versus Francis Ngannou that we are expecting to come. These kind of boxing matches can not be manipulated. I can say I hardly bet more than 3 boxing games in a year. I prefer football and I do not think there is racism in big leagues. Underdog leagues is where that can happen and I can not go for it. To what I have known, I do not see racism in the matches that I go for.

Racism and manipulations will be dominant in underdog leagues, like you said, because they've probably got nothing much to loose, no big company endorsements that'll pull out if the leagues don't perform to standard expectations. Big leagues and top boxing matches, like the upcoming Joshua versus Nganou, will hardly give biased officiating because they have so much to loose if they stoop too low in expected standards from them, they'll lose endorsements and fans. Although no matter the standard of the leagues, you can't totally rule out prejudice, there must be personal preferences, but if the officials and athletes are true professional, then personal feelings will not count.

[Promocodeudo]

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

Though this things happens, but if a referee is biased in a match doesn't mean that such referee will be biased in another match, but you feel that such will happen the best thing to do is to avoid the match entirely, for me the only way to avoid this thing is to be choosing matches that involves 2 big team's because in matches like that it is very rare to see such thing happening.

Manipulations sometime happens in matches that affect bettors winning but it is not often and ascertaining the particular match this incident will take place is almost impossible.

[Spaceman1000$]

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

To avoid matches that can be manipulated, I go for just big leagues like the EPL, Serial A, La Liga, Bundesliga, Lique 2 and some others. I only think that the lower leagues that are not common are the ones that can be manipulated because I can still go for second and third leagues like Championship, Serial B, Lique 2 and others which are common and well known. I also still go for leagues in countries like Brazil and Argentina. But there are some that are very low leagues that I can not go for.

You're right about the fact that for big leagues manipulation is always reduced because a lot of eyes are concentrated on those leagues and their matches, however I think lower divisions leagues don't always get attention so manipulations can be done, I agree with you on this. I have not personally experienced manipulation due to racism in football matches, because I don't have any fact to on that, but I can agree with you in terms of Match fixing and manipulation of match results, it can always happen in the lower division. Moreover I think even in betting most of us go for the big leagues and their matches  to select games, I hardly go for lower division.

[Z390]

Honestly speaking this is the only problem that is affecting sports, especially if the match is local or country based, one will have a better support than the other, there will always be those who won't want the outsider to win because it's like a shame to challenge a country and go vs one on one in the same country, the home country will be more supported.

The only way to avoid this is to place bet on biggest matches, and pray that your favourite is well treated, still sports betting are game of luck, there are cases where the most favoured club still lose to the other that's not been treated very well, sometimes, luck will play out and the home owner will still lose.
But I do have a question, we are complaining because we are not the one at the other side, what will you have to say if the football club you are supporting has the upper hand and the football club they are going up against are the ones facing the racsism, will you still complain? Because I believe that people only think about themselves.

[sokani]

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

In football, there have been incidents where opposition fans target the markman of a team with racist gestures which had negative impact in the general performance of the team as well as the outcome of the match. But to say that the VAR crew are also complicit in such disdainful act is unbelievable. A VAR crew comprises of 6 - 7 persons, headed by one person and all of them cannot be racist. Also, I believe their decisions are looked at by the FA even if they may not publicly say it.

[Hirose UK]

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

In football or even several other types of sport, we will often find things like this, but it cannot be easily proven that there was manipulation that caused the leading team to fail to win.
It just that I never think that failure occurs because of manipulation because many failures occur because of mistakes made by players, not because of cheating in the course of the match.
For example, when Manchester United suffered very embarrassing defeat because of mistakes made by their own player Maguire and of course we have often seen incidents like this before.
I will only assume that the game is run through manipulation if the referee makes mistake, it will be very easy for the referee to become part of the manipulation that occurs and there have been quite lot of incidents like this in almost all existing competitions.
Especially for small competitions, it will be very easy to manipulate to win one particular party.

Priority remains in competitions or big leagues which are clearly filled with big and popular team, after all betting on matches in big competitions gives its own satisfaction.
Apart from that, I also saw that the favorite team competed with much better game, the games in big competitions and small competitions really showed very significant differences.

[SamReomo]

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

I avoid all such games which can be manipulated in one way or other and that's why I mostly bet on high level sports where chance of manipulation is very low. In sports betting I most bet of cricket matches and I don't think that cricket matches can be manipulated.

[Gozie51]

Well most contributors have said to bet in popular leagues is the way to avoid being locked up in racism and I think that is possibly so because such top leagues have the public and press watching at them and that makes manipulation come down quite low.

Money is money. As long as it is legal to make that money, somebody will make it. If some people think like you and ignore those “racist bets”, somebody else will collect that money. Think like a businessman don’t let your emotions get in your way. It will only make you poor in the long run. People who got rich think like computers. They are emotionless. They often don’t care about ethics too. Why should you? If you want to fight racism, you can take advantage of those bets, collect the profits and make a donation to an anti-racism organization.

Lol but it depends on the side of divide he is or is coming from. If he feels the area of racist is that that doesn't favour him from the officials then he won't be betting because betting on what he knows is already against him won't be a good business idea. He is pointing out racism because it affects his bet and so he could decide to let it go and not to gamble on the area again.

Can an individual really fight racism? I don't think so. Racism has been there a long time and is not looking like it will become a history anytime soon.

[alastantiger]

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

I do not factor in racism when I am betting on a sports like football. While I don't deny that it exists and occurs, I feel that it's incidence is so low to the extent that it can greatly impact the outcome of the game. There are small exceptions here but it is likely to be 5% or less. Aside racism, there are other forms of discrimination that happens in sports and could potentially impact the outcome of the games. Most notable are discrimination based on religion and nationality. Thus, as part of your research and analysis before betting on a game consider leagues with very low incidence or where there is a swift punishment in place to deter its recurrence.

[Iroh]

I wouldn’t exactly say racism affects the outcome of games of most leagues. Perhaps it does affect the outcome of matches of smaller and somewhat unknown leagues. That’s why I place bets on known and familiar leagues like the EPL.
There’s too much at stake to openly be racist about your decisions and some people is kind of being coerced into behaving like a normal decent human would. You’ve just got to bet on leagues you’re familiar with. Unless of course, you decide to still place bets on those games you think the outcome could be affected by racism.

[qwertyup23]

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

I find this interesting- I have yet to experience a game where manipulation of the games revolving racism is involved. Can you please share your specific experience on why it involved racism in the first place? This is a rare instance where I have yet to encounter this type of manipulation though I have noticed that there are also other people sharing the same concern.

I wouldn’t exactly say racism affects the outcome of games of most leagues. Perhaps it does affect the outcome of matches of smaller and somewhat unknown leagues. That’s why I place bets on known and familiar leagues like the EPL.
There’s too much at stake to openly be racist about your decisions and some people is kind of being coerced into behaving like a normal decent human would. You’ve just got to bet on leagues you’re familiar with. Unless of course, you decide to still place bets on those games you think the outcome could be affected by racism.

If this were the case, I guess the best recommendation here would be to choose leagues that are prominent and famous instead of betting on small platforms. Even if some of the offers may seem attractive, manipulation may happen given that there are less securities and guarantees there.

[coin-investor]

It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

This is gambling there will always be manipulation, bias, and racism that's going to happen, I will just ignore it as long as I have a chance to win, not every day that you have a chance to win gambling so you have to take it if there's an opportunity to win.

In international sports or events, fans and the sports community will always see manipulation and racism if the decisions are not in their favor This has always been the issue in many international sporting events.
If you're a real gambler you'll ignore it, if you're a patriotic bettor will choose not to bet.

[danherbias07]

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

I see referees side with one team but I have never seen racism yet or maybe they are just not admitting it. They are humans too and maybe they are a fan of one team and they could definitely change the pace of the game if ever. But when it is proven he might also lose his job and that's more scary in this time of bad economy.
I guess I cannot use the NBA as an example since most of them are Americans. But I have not seen international players like Jokic or Doncic tell the media that something like that is happening. So I guess racism is not there or there will be a heavy punishment if proven.

Last year FIBA happened, and I didn't see anything like racism that happened. It's clean. Well, that's according to the games I only watched but maybe there were some games that I missed with this kind of problem.

Manipulation? Yes, I would not bet on it. But I doubt they will warn us that it will be manipulated so we can still fall victim to it.
Racist referee? No, some sports don't only have 1 referee and I think it's there to balance it. I might still bet for a game like that.

[teamsherry]

Especially on sports betting we see some racism happening and this happened in most of the league that are popular of which so many persons bet on. It bothers me to ask, that imagine you placed a bet and somehow you have 80% assurance that it would come out successful. And on the process of waiting for the game to end there was some racism manipulation in the game which made you lost the game. It could be football or other sports cause its mostly found in sports.

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

Yeah I've experienced stuff like this with man United a season or 2 ago and I noticed how the referee normally helped them to win matches through penalty and apart from that I also notice this in some kind of games where a team in a lower league would beat a team in a higher league just because of history and based on performance it not even supposed to happen.

[piebeyb]

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

Actually, I'm not sure about small leagues, maybe what you say is true, that it could be rigged, after all there are many cases of match fixing in European small leagues, therefore I prefer to bet on big leagues such as EPL, Laliga, Bundesliga, The Italian league and other big leagues basically depend on where you bet. If you bet in a small league, you will likely find VAR members, or referees who are racist, and manipulate, so it's best to just avoid leagues like that to be safe so that you don't lose unnecessary money. required.

I once bet on a small league league and it was strange in my opinion where the club that was supposed to win actually lost to a bottom club, it was really annoying and I felt that there was cheating and match fixing in that match so since then I haven't bet any more on gambling. sports betting such as small league leagues and only betting on big league sports betting as we know today and I mentioned above, I am sure you will also experience this if you feel cheating that you are aware of in this thread. Avoiding risky things is really recommended rather than going bankrupt just because of fraudulent actions.

[aioc]

You mentioned in your thread that there is an 80% chance of winning, so why would I not lose the chance to make money, it's not easy to make money in gambling so I can ignore racism and manipulation if I have a chance to win a game, so many sports have their share of racism and manipulations, it's up to the commissions and the organizations to resolve these issues they will lose their reputation if they will not resolve those issues.
As a bettor, if there is a chance to make money then you have to go for it.

[moneystery]

I wouldn’t exactly say racism affects the outcome of games of most leagues. Perhaps it does affect the outcome of matches of smaller and somewhat unknown leagues. That’s why I place bets on known and familiar leagues like the EPL.
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agree with what you say that this problem only occurs in smaller leagues that are not as exposed to as many people. however, in a popular league like the epl, this is unlikely to happen because their association's regulations for the teams playing are very strict, so that when there is an intervention that occurs in a game it will immediately be exposed and that can affect the image of the league. and because of this, more people bet on teams that compete in the major leagues to avoid manipulation that might occur.

[Kelvinid]

Next time would you choose to not bet on a particular game because you feel the members of the VAR, or the referee are racist, and you are sure that there would be some manipulation?

In the case that we know there is manipulation, I don't think we have to do this instead, it deserves to be rejected. Otherwise, we make ourselves a fool knowing that our chances are very slim unless we place the bet on the team that they are planning to win. But I stand myself not to bet, I'd rather choose the other game than bet on a manipulated game.

And there is only one thing it means, that particular betting platform can't be trusted nor do we think that the results are fair. It is a shame for them to make money by cheating.

[madnessteat]

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It's hard enough to prove that an action or decision is caused by racist attitudes, and as long as it can't be proven, it's just an assumption.

It seems to me that if you think too much about being surrounded by racists, you start to unconsciously look for these manifestations where they do not exist.

At least if you have such assumptions try to avoid matches where you think the referees are racist.