Restricted games on one casino but playable to other one

[Coin_trader]

I notice this after playing on Bc.co and Bk8 a Pragmatic Play games without any VPN while I can’t play games from this provider on most of the casino here in forum. Also I have games that I can play Hacksaw Gaming on the majority of the casino here but can’t play on Bc.co and Bk8.

I’m just curious how does game providers have different set of country restricted on different casino. Does it mean that I’m not really breaking the game provider ToS when playing with VPN to bypass the restrictions since I can play their games freely on other casino while they came from same provider?  

Top Answer

#1. Slot providers are like an eco-system of their own, they can choose in which countries and on which brands to show up. It's not like we control them, they are actually the ones who are in the power position, so they can pick where and what to do.
#2. The casino license does play a role (the better your license the more slot providers you can have), but governments also play their part. Some slot providers will not be available in Germany or Sweden due to the slot regulations. It's like with the EU dictating to Apple that they need USB-C, so is Germany dictating the requirements of the gambling mechanics for some games. In Sweden, for an example, you can't have specific bonuses that are sometimes tied to a game mechanic, so you just take those games out from that market.
#3. There are also competitors between slots and exclusive contracts with specific casinos, you will rarely see all 50 variations of crypto crash games on one site, in most cases they will focus on a handful of crash games with whom they have the best deal, and they will ignore others.

With that said, yes, depending on your location, a casino like https://www.rooli.com/ might offer a different experience, with different lobby templates and game availability.

[Oshosondy]

I think you should ask the casino customer care about it. They will be the one that can give you the accurate answer. If you use VPN to bypass the restriction, it might lead to something disappointing like not able to withdraw because you use VPN to bypass one of the rules. Casino opinion about this may vary from one casino to another. If it is me, I will not use VPN to bypass it but instead prefer to visit the other casino to play the game.

[dothebeats]

I notice this after playing on Bc.co and Bk8 a Pragmatic Play games without any VPN while I can’t play games from this provider on most of the casino here in forum. Also I have games that I can play Hacksaw Gaming on the majority of the casino here but can’t play on Bc.co and Bk8.

I’m just curious how does game providers have different set of country restricted on different casino. Does it mean that I’m not really breaking the game provider ToS when playing with VPN to bypass the restrictions since I can play their games freely on other casino while they came from same provider? 

I don't think you're breaking any ToS at all. If it's playable on one casino and it's not on another, it might be something to do with the casino and not your account or VPN. It has happened to me as well, playing a PG slots on one platform and not seeing it on a local one. So far, my accounts are intact, and I can still play on these platforms freely even though I use VPNs from time to time when I'm traveling.

[Eternad]

I believe this discrepancy on ToS depends on the license which the casino using since their location varies and it has different set of law. I notice that you use a mirror link of bc.game which probably the reason why you can access the casino including the games that is originally restricted from your country.

@Oshondy suggestion is on point since each casino ToS will govern and they can use it against you in the future once you win huge amount on game provider that restrict you from playing.

[PytagoraZ]

I notice this after playing on Bc.co and Bk8 a Pragmatic Play games without any VPN while I can’t play games from this provider on most of the casino here in forum. Also I have games that I can play Hacksaw Gaming on the majority of the casino here but can’t play on Bc.co and Bk8.

I’m just curious how does game providers have different set of country restricted on different casino. Does it mean that I’m not really breaking the game provider ToS when playing with VPN to bypass the restrictions since I can play their games freely on other casino while they came from same provider? 

You can check the license of the gambling platform, maybe they have a different license so the restrictions are different. Additionally, you can check the ToS whether your country is blocked or not, if not then you are not breaking anything even if you use VPN. My country blocks access to many gambling sites, but in the ToS gambling sites are not prohibited my country so I can gamble even though I have to use a VPN

As long as we don't violate anything and our country is not prohibited in the ToS, then using VPN is no problem, I always use VPN but never had a problem.

[Solosanz]

Even you're not restricted with the games because you can gamble on other casinos, it doesn't mean you're allowed to using VPN because for the casino, the purpose of using VPN isn't only to access restricted games, but they could think you're creating multiple accounts, live in restricted countries, etc.

To be honest, I don't see any reason why you need to gamble on those casinos and using VPN, when you can normally gamble on the other casinos you refer to.

[ultrloa]

I notice this after playing on Bc.co and Bk8 a Pragmatic Play games without any VPN while I can’t play games from this provider on most of the casino here in forum. Also I have games that I can play Hacksaw Gaming on the majority of the casino here but can’t play on Bc.co and Bk8.

I’m just curious how does game providers have different set of country restricted on different casino. Does it mean that I’m not really breaking the game provider ToS when playing with VPN to bypass the restrictions since I can play their games freely on other casino while they came from same provider? 

Each casino have certain rules and maybe its just on other casino they block the access of certain games while other not that's why you can play it on other casino. But also as suggested by other people if you can access it on other casino then maybe ask the personnels working behind those casinos and tell it why such thing happen. Clarification is important so people will not get mislead on some other peoples assumptions and you can get the exact answer about the situation occur.

[qwertyup23]

If you can access the casino with the same provider albeit under a different platform, generally, you are not restricted totally from playing from their website.

Question, does that casino have an ANN thread in this forum? I heavily recommend that you contact any of their customer service to ask for any clarifications about this said problem. There has to be a reason on why you cannot access such platform despite the provider being the same.

All things considered, I also recommend that you read their ToS carefully to prevent any foreseeable problems in the future. Check all the regulations about VPN and its usage especially if they have specific rules on these.

[348Judah]

I notice this after playing on Bc.co and Bk8 a Pragmatic Play games without any VPN while I can’t play games from this provider on most of the casino here in forum. Also I have games that I can play Hacksaw Gaming on the majority of the casino here but can’t play on Bc.co and Bk8.

I’m just curious how does game providers have different set of country restricted on different casino. Does it mean that I’m not really breaking the game provider ToS when playing with VPN to bypass the restrictions since I can play their games freely on other casino while they came from same provider? 

Right before a gambler registers, they make some detection on the ip address he is subscribing to their website with, then they make detection and the system quickly place restriction on users account after registration not to have access to some set of games or so, if this happens, we cannot also expect every games to be available on each casinos, they have their own preference and specification on the kinds of available games on their platforms and the rules that engage the use of these services by the gamblers.

[cabron]

I would listen to Oshosondy's suggestion rather than asking users here. You may not even find someone doing the same thing. But is it worth the risk to play the games that are restricted but aren't with VPN?

Because for me as a user, I would make sure I am on the safe side regardless of how little the amount I have in my account. We have already seen casinos accusing users and can't do anything about it.

[SamReomo]

I can play their games freely on other casino while they came from same provider? 

In that case I believe it's a casino thing not gaming provider thing. A casino might set restrictions to some players which may stop such players to play those games. I'm not sure whether I'm right or not but I think it's somehow a gambling platform side thing not a rule set by the gaming provider. However, I also suggest you to follow Oshosondy advice and ask the customer support of the casino about the issue.

[iv4n]

I asked the same question many times... but I never got a concrete answer. Probably it has something with licenses that providers use, not casinos licenses.  Pragmatic was "off limits" for me in all casinos,  I could play it only with a VPN. Play'n'Go, Hacksaw, Push, NoLimit, and a few other providers were half/half, in some casinos I could play them without using a VPN, and in some only with a VPN.

Metaspins and Chipstars are casinos where I can play all providers without using a VPN. I asked in their ANN thread how is that possible, but their answer was "We are trying to be open for all" or something similar (I guess we can check that in their forgotten ANN thread). Anyway, most of the providers are now available for me in one or other casinos, but ELK became forbidden for me in all casinos... all of a sudden I can say, and I really enjoyed playing some slots from ELK provider.

[Wiwo]

The reason may not be far from countries' internal gambling regulations,  some times the regulations in various countries differ and at most it reflects how casinos allow access to those games based on their location.

But also note that if it be allowed in one country location and in the same casino it then means there is a low probability that you are breaking their rules and at that should be punished in the future.

But then also the best approach is to reach out to the support to hear what exactly the casino rules are towards such VPN usage.

[Coin_trader]

I asked the same question many times... but I never got a concrete answer. Probably it has something with licenses that providers use, not casinos licenses.  Pragmatic was "off limits" for me in all casinos,  I could play it only with a VPN. Play'n'Go, Hacksaw, Push, NoLimit, and a few other providers were half/half, in some casinos I could play them without using a VPN, and in some only with a VPN.

Been asking this many times and the closest answer that I can get is due to license but no definitive answer to on how is this possible. Maybe this question should be dedicated again to @ SirJohnVonSlotty since he is the only real expert on this matter.

Metaspins and Chipstars are casinos where I can play all providers without using a VPN. I asked in their ANN thread how is that possible, but their answer was "We are trying to be open for all" or something similar (I guess we can check that in their forgotten ANN thread). Anyway, most of the providers are now available for me in one or other casinos, but ELK became forbidden for me in all casinos... all of a sudden I can say, and I really enjoyed playing some slots from ELK provider.

I created this thread because I become annoyed when I finally play Pragmatic games freely including their live games then later on I can access other games. Only play’n go and push gaming are the game providers that working well for me to all casino. I like to play that ELK and ELA privider but I can’t find any casino which I’m allowed to play this provider. 

[swogerino]

Unfortunately there is no final solution to this.I see that sometimes of the not most well known providers says to me error,this game is not allowed in your country and there is no a casino thing,it is just a restriction from the provider of that game,most probably they have had a lot of bad things happening to them from such countries that they opt to restrict these countries in order to avoid problems.

The usage of the VPN in almost all cases is against the Terms of Service of the casino so if you don't want to be banned after some time you better don't use VPN.The good thing is that the big providers like Play n Go,No Limit City and even Pragmatic are allowed in 95% of the countries,so most likely you won't have any trouble accessing them.

[moneystery]

this is a question that you should ask the casino where you play, because perhaps each casino has its own rules regarding games that cannot be played in certain countries, even though you can play these games on different providers. and you should avoid using vpn when playing because we don't know what the casino will do when you win big, maybe they will make things difficult for your account and make you unable to withdraw your winnings.

[Slow death]

This is a very complicated subject in the sense that first we need to understand why a country is on the list of restricted countries, there are cases in which certain countries have received sanctions from the European Union and the USA for various reasons such as terrorism, invasion of another country, dictatorship, genocide and in these cases these countries that will receive sanctions are listed on a list of sanctioned countries. These sanctions may include prohibiting citizens of these countries from accessing gambling websites. other cases are that there are countries that have banned gambling and therefore casinos place these countries on the list of restricted countries. So far everything is quite simple to understand, but unfortunately some casinos and game providers seem to have no lawyers and don't do research.

about the restricted countries and their reasons and laws, and they end up adding countries that don't have any problem with gambling and that also haven't received any sanctions from the USA and the European Union, so people from these countries are shocked when they see their country that They accept gambling and do not have any international sanctions and are placed on the list of restricted countries in the casino. There have been cases of new casinos appearing on this forum and when I went to look at the TOS of that casino to find out about the list of restricted countries, something that I haven't done often because my country is friendly with gambling and doesn't have any restrictions imposed internationally, because my country is democratic, you respect laws and human rights

but that day I was curious to see in the TOS of that new casino about the list of restricted countries and I was very shocked to see my country, I was wondering what the hell was going on, but in all the casinos I have an account there is no my country on the list of restricted countries, there was only one in that new casino, so I started to realize that certain casinos don't have lawyers and don't do more research on these sanctions issues, countries that banned gambling and gambling-friendly countries, they just copy the TOS of some casino they saw first. Finally, I want to tell you that if a game provider has placed your country on the list of restricted countries, then don't use that game provider anymore, just use casinos and game providers that accept your country and don't use a VPN

[LUCKMCFLY]

What I think about this is that first it is very unfortunate that this type of dependence on licenses and cough arrives for people from certain countries or various locations, a casino like this, I rule them out, because where I am not welcome to insist on something I am not It works, and since I have many friends who play hard in casinos, I simply say don't play at casino This is how the speed of the casinos that are good and bad runs, so my advice is that you don't play there anymore, or if you want to know the main reason, then ask the support, you will find it there. They will give you the details more clearly, but I would not go to that casino anymore.

The Tos can be manipulated in some casino, because there are cases where they change them without telling or participating anything to the players , and that already seems in bad taste to me, because the opinion of the players is not taken into consideration, but rather itself. , the fact that you can't play certain games without a VPN is something that for me is enough to not go back, I don't know if you are a big casino fan, but sometimes you have to look at other casinos and stick with the casino that suits you. They treat you well and always make a difference, with that you avoid having bad times and meaningless problems.

[SirJohnVonSlotty]

Maybe this question should be dedicated again to @ SirJohnVonSlotty since he is the only real expert on this matter.

Does my answer really matter though? I don't have the feeling that it ever matters since these type of threads are being flooded with "gambling quota" posts.

#1. Slot providers are like an eco-system of their own, they can choose in which countries and on which brands to show up. It's not like we control them, they are actually the ones who are in the power position, so they can pick where and what to do.
#2. The casino license does play a role (the better your license the more slot providers you can have), but governments also play their part. Some slot providers will not be available in Germany or Sweden due to the slot regulations. It's like with the EU dictating to Apple that they need USB-C, so is Germany dictating the requirements of the gambling mechanics for some games. In Sweden, for an example, you can't have specific bonuses that are sometimes tied to a game mechanic, so you just take those games out from that market.
#3. There are also competitors between slots and exclusive contracts with specific casinos, you will rarely see all 50 variations of crypto crash games on one site, in most cases they will focus on a handful of crash games with whom they have the best deal, and they will ignore others.

With that said, yes, depending on your location, a casino like https://www.rooli.com/ might offer a different experience, with different lobby templates and game availability.

[Coin_trader]

Maybe this question should be dedicated again to @ SirJohnVonSlotty since he is the only real expert on this matter.

Does my answer really matter though? I don't have the feeling that it ever matters since these type of threads are being flooded with "gambling quota" posts.

Sadly this post quota post is unavoidable as long as campaigns have a required post quota on gambling board. But your post will always be valuable and I will put it on the OP to indicate as top answer so that other user that has same question will find your insight. Your effort will not be put in vain sir.

#1. Slot providers are like an eco-system of their own, they can choose in which countries and on which brands to show up. It's not like we control them, they are actually the ones who are in the power position, so they can pick where and what to do.
#2. The casino license does play a role (the better your license the more slot providers you can have), but governments also play their part. Some slot providers will not be available in Germany or Sweden due to the slot regulations. It's like with the EU dictating to Apple that they need USB-C, so is Germany dictating the requirements of the gambling mechanics for some games. In Sweden, for an example, you can't have specific bonuses that are sometimes tied to a game mechanic, so you just take those games out from that market.
#3. There are also competitors between slots and exclusive contracts with specific casinos, you will rarely see all 50 variations of crypto crash games on one site, in most cases they will focus on a handful of crash games with whom they have the best deal, and they will ignore others.

With that said, yes, depending on your location, a casino like https://www.rooli.com/ might offer a different experience, with different lobby templates and game availability.

Thanks for these answer!

On follow up question to this, I notice that even some scam casino can add this game provider despite they are new and no licensed. What’s the typical cost for adding game provider like Evolution gaming, Pragmatic and others as set. And does casino license is required or not?