Only Bitcoin related posts are allowed in Local Languages Section?

[shahzadafzal]

On behalf of the Local Languages Section (Pakistan), we are requesting clarification on the rules for postings in this particular section where a community have only One Local thread.

Recently, we have noticed multiple posts from different users being deleted from the Local Languages section. After a brief investigation by our local moderator Xal0lex, it was discovered that posts related to Airdrops, Altcoins, or translations of signature campaigns are not permitted in this section.

Xal0lex further confirmed that these posts were not deleted by him, but by some other moderator.

Well, I figured out who deleted all those posts and why. In local threads like yours, there should not be any announcements of specific alternative cryptocurrencies, posts with airdrops and subscription campaigns. Since you don't (yet) have a separate section for altcoins, bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies should be talking about here (discussion only).

Here are links to the deleted posts, there should be no such posts.

https://ninjastic.space/post/63814767
https://ninjastic.space/post/63810692
https://ninjastic.space/post/63809116
https://ninjastic.space/post/63798719
https://ninjastic.space/post/63810727
https://ninjastic.space/post/63798725
https://ninjastic.space/post/63799349
https://ninjastic.space/post/63809913
https://ninjastic.space/post/63804517
https://ninjastic.space/post/63788265

P.S. This is not my whim, these are the rules for local threads.

Xal0lex also pointed out that a rule from hilariousandco states that only bitcoin related posts are allowed in local languages section.

This sub forum is for those languages that don't have a local board to have their own thread to discuss bitcoin in.

Here, I'd like to highlight that in the sections for Other languages/locations, local communities like Pakistan, বাংলা (Bengali), and Укpaїнcькa (Ukrainian) don't have their own boards. A single topic is the only place to discuss anything related to bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, politics, or off-topic discussions in a local language.

If a community have it's own board like Pyccкий (Russian) and Italiano (Italian) you can easily separate posts related to bitcoin or altcoin etc. But for one local thread you don't have this option and allowing only bitcoin related posts seems like there should not be any discussion at all.

Xal0lex our local moderator of this section seems to be agree on this, that if community have one local thread, then it should be allowed to discuss everything.

I was thinking that if there is one local thread, then everything can be discussed there (including specific altcoins and airdrops). But it turns out that's not the case. If I thought otherwise, I would have deleted all these posts myself.

I also want to highlight that Pakistan and Bangladesh are one for most active local communities despite not having their own board.

Communities marked with * (Pakistan, Bangladesh) don't have their own local boards.

create a topic in Meta, maybe you'll get the answers you need there. Maybe the person who deleted those posts will answer your questions there.

Xal0lex have suggested to create this topic. So, we are kindly requesting the moderators/admins to clarify that posting anything like the following is not allowed in Local Languages?

No posts related to airdrops
No posts related to specific altcoins
Not allowed to post any translations (signature campaigns)

and only bitcoin related posts are allowed. Thank you.

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[Upgrade00]

I'm with the Pakistani local board on this. When you have just a local thread to discuss everything about cryptocurrency, both local and international news, then one would need the freedom to discuss multiple topics on that thread, including off topic content as well, cause there is no where else to do that.

[Alone055]

I support the cause. If a thread is all we have got, we shouldn't be restricted to discussing a single thing within that thread, if it's against the rules, we request that we be given a local board where there can be different threads for each discussion to avoid such problems.

[Sayeds56]

I am fully behind this cause. It seems ethically unjust to stop a community from talking about all the allowed topics of the forum in a single available thread. To avoid these problems, it would be best to set up a separate board where members can start discussion on various topics on different threads.

[ThemePen]

Thank you sir for creating this topic for us. I support the request. Because we want freedom. We have only one thread and we want to discuss everything in our thread.

Like Shahzadafzal sir said if we can talk only on Bitcoin so why we need the local thread? We have the Bitcoin Discussion section. We can post there.
Just like this we have the altcoin section we can talk about altcoins there why this local thread made.


We have already submitted an application for our local board if administration can't give that so at least give us freedom to talk everything in our local thread. I hope administration will consider it. Thanks.

[Maus0728]

I'm with the Pakistani local board on this. When you have just a local thread to discuss everything about cryptocurrency, both local and international news, then one would need the freedom to discuss multiple topics on that thread, including off topic content as well, cause there is no where else to do that.

Exactly, unlike with my Local Board (Pilipinas) there's some separation since there's a different board for that. It's a good thing that this has come to light though because it tackles the issue that needs to be talked about, and I think that if this isn't solved, it's probably a good time to talk about adding a board that's appropriate for the deleted posts so everyone's happy. That's probably the only way that both parties can be satisfied, the thread will be clean and people can still talk about the stuff unrelated to that thread with freedom and without the worry that it will get the deleted just because it's posted in the wrong place.

[tranthidung]

Recently, we have noticed multiple posts from different users being deleted from the Local Languages section. After a brief investigation by our local moderator Xal0lex, it was discovered that posts related to Airdrops, Altcoins, or translations of signature campaigns are not permitted in this section.

In local threads, there are rules that prohibit posts, translations, announcements of altcoin projects. Perhaps you don't know about that rule that exists for a long time already.

On top of a child board for Local languages, you can see a description for the board purposes.

Communities that don't have their own board. Translated announcements are prohibited unless locally relevant.

It has a sticky thread too.

• Do not create threads or post translated ICO Announcements in here
• The rule was applied since 2017 ICO wave.
• If a local board has their own local board, not local thread only, the rule will be applied.
• I think the rule is good to control spam in local threads. It will be easier to moderate threads on sub boards than a Mega local thread.
• You and your locals can fight (with contributions) to have your local board and can succeed with it, but to change this rule, I don't think you will succeed.

It is prohibited to create translated ICO threads for Local Languages that don't have their own sub boards. Due to abuse, it is also prohibited for users to create threads outside of their Local Thread. This sub forum is for those languages that don't have a local board to have their own thread to discuss bitcoin in; it is not a place for account farmers and spammers to easily abuse campaigns. If you post threads outside of your own local thread you will be banned.

[joker_josue]

Xal0lex have suggested to create this topic. So, we are kindly requesting the moderators/admins to clarify that posting anything like the following is not allowed in Local Languages?

No posts related to airdrops
No posts related to specific altcoins
Not allowed to post any translations (signature campaigns)

and only bitcoin related posts are allowed. Thank you.

Since the forum rules are unofficial, but accepted by everyone, it is up to the moderator to decide whether the post fits within these rules. And although the rules are general, each local board/topic has its own dynamics. After applying the recommended rules, it may vary slightly.

Now, taking into account that the topic is local, where it is difficult to catalog the conversations. I think that any topic should be avoided, as it ends up distorting the topic.

But, I also think that if the local community thinks that a certain topic is relevant to the community, even if it is not recommended by the rules, the topic should be accepted. With approval from the respective moderator. In turn, it should only be the moderator of that community who manages this issue, in order to guarantee the general and local rules agreed by that local community.

[Publictalk792]

I really appreciate your efforts for our community and our whole community is behind this case. Because we have only one thread to talk in our local language so there should be freedom to talk in anyway.
And if anyone thinks that this will go wrong so keep in mind there are many members in our community who know which post is not good for the community and they just report the post and moderator take an action on this. And delete the post immediately.
In conclusion we want freedom talk in our local community thread.

[Hispo]

From the experience I have had in the Spanish Section of the forum, the impression I have gotten from participating there is that one thread opened in the local board is supposed to have a minimum relevance or connection to the Bitcoin ecosystem or Bitcoin as a decentralized asset for the thread to stay in place and not be moved into a different section.
For example, I opened a thread about how people are kidnapped in southern asia and forced to work in factories of scams or scam facilities, at first glance such topic does not have anything to do with Bitcoin at all, however, I commented on the Original post about how much money in Bitcoin those scammers are likely to be in pursue off and warning our colleagues in the Spanish section of the forum that, since Bitcoin is in ATH territory, we are supposed to be as careful as possible not to fall for widespread scams from those human trafficking centers.

We also have a thread on what the presidency of Milei in Argentina could mean for the future of Bitcoin in that country.

Threads which do not mention Bitcoin or do not talk about Bitcoin are usually move to the alternative currency section, the beginners and help secion or the off topic one.

Just my two sats.

[hugeblack]

I do not know whether Xal0lex can speak Urdu (assuming it is the local language used) or not, but if there is no local mod who can evaluate the quality of posts and the extent of off-topic, it is better to be Bitcoin only discussions, with off-topic thread.

I believe that the beginning of solving this problem is by demanding the establishment of a local board for the Urdu language.

According to Wikipedia there are:

Languages of Pakistan
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Languages_of_Pakistan
Languages with more than a million speakers each include Punjabi, Pashto, Sindhi, Saraiki, Urdu, Balochi, Hindko, Pahari-Pothwari and Brahui.

[ZAINmalik75]

I support shahzadafzal for our local board demand because just like you guys explained that such rules were applied back in 2017 for local board and every one should follow in order to survive here, so now the only possible solution for us is to create an independent local board Paksitan for us where we can discuss and share freely what where knwoledge we want like inside circle of Bitcointalk rules the way other local board does.
Otherwise such rules and decision looking totally unfair for us. If Bitcoin can provide freedom why not Bitcointalk

[Upgrade00]

I think that if this isn't solved, it's probably a good time to talk about adding a board that's appropriate for the deleted posts so everyone's happy.

Keeping up with multiple discussions on one thread is hard enough, doing that across two different threads will be very difficult and discussions cannot be moved across from one thread to another, meaning they will need to be deleted.

I personally believe that if a local thread has gotten to a point where there is a puzzle if one thread can fit in everything, then it's a good time to start considering giving that community a local board.

[Xal0lex]

Since the forum rules are unofficial...

What makes you think the forum rules are unofficial? Where did you read about it? Can you provide a link where this is written?

[Igebotz]

Since the forum rules are unofficial...

What makes you think the forum rules are unofficial? Where did you read about it? Can you provide a link where this is written?

Joker is right.... It's clearly written.


Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ


Well, we had a single Naija thread for almost 3 years and it was the most congested thread ever - we were discussing literally everything Bitcoin, entertainment, News, Politics and Off-topic without any problem...  What changed now?

[Xal0lex]

Since the forum rules are unofficial...

What makes you think the forum rules are unofficial? Where did you read about it? Can you provide a link where this is written?

Joker is right.... It's clearly written.


Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

And where is he right? You, like him (as well as many others) have reached legendary rank, and you still don't understand what the title of the topic says "Unofficial" refers to the list that mprep created, and the rules are quite official, which is clearly indicated by the word "official" in parentheses. The rules are official, the list is unofficial.

[Igebotz]

And where is he right? You, like him (as well as many others) have reached legendary rank, and you still don't understand what the title of the topic says "Unofficial" refers to the list that mprep created, and the rules are quite official, which is clearly indicated by the word "official" in parentheses. The rules are official, the list is unofficial.

Both truth and two wrongs can co-exist BTW  I've never read it like that...

[Faisal2202]

Thanks Shahzad and xal0lex for your support and for standing for a board, I hope a time will come Pakistani will get there own board where they will post relevant content and as Igebotz said Nigerian board before getting one, posted all kinds of posts and there was no such rule, we are not against the rule (I assume, BTW I am not) what I stand for is to get a board, rules are not easily changed and I know that but I think getting local board is harder then that.

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Both truth and two wrongs can co-exist BTW  I've never read it like that...

The FUN fact is, I am also one of those who never read it like that 😂 well, that's a good thing I read it like that way, well it may be read as an unofficial list of official bitcointalk, or not. Just asked out of curiosity.

[Farhan99]

I Support Shahzadafzal Sir call for an independent local board on Bitcointalk to help community freedom in talking about any topics in our Pakistani community. I am supporting an free thinking local board on Bitcointalk for open discussions without any fear of posts being deleted That is why requesting for the local board to discuss various topics within the local thread to ensure community engagement. I think there is another reason demand for a local board on Bitcointalk because Our community seeks freedom and free discussion in our local Urdu language.

[snowpega]

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First of all, sorry for being late here as I was not active previous days well Sir many Thanks for being here for all of us. I request and stand with shahzadafzal sir for our own local board and I also request staff/moderator member Xal0lex sir to do something in our favor if possible as sir you also know that what kind of problem we are facing while posting we are being restricted and we want to talk but we can not talk just because of changing in rules. As if once we grant with with our local board there will be no problem with the forum member who facing the Deletion of post problem.

we will be able to make specific threads for specific decisions in our local board if we will be granted with it i hope that we will see positive feedback on this very soon. Many Thanks!