Poll: Acceptability of Signature Wearer's Use of Insults and Foul Language

[JackpotRacer]

Sorry, but I don't understand why it should be easier for a mod to find insults than for a signature manager?

If I meet a thread full of insults and foul words, I can easily use the report button and if a few more people do so, a mod will be notified to take necessary actions. In the other hand, a campaign manager might not be aware of such a thread. I doubt that campaign managers read posts of their campaign participants verbatim. Unless a particular participant is of the habit of insulting always, then the manager should have to keep eyes on him.

Thank you for your explanation as it makes a lot of sense if it is used this way. although not sure if it is handled this way.

Foul word is not strictly prohibited for signature wearer since there’s no written rule in the forum for this while most of the signature campaign rules doesn’t include it either. If you really want to push this to signature wearers then campaign managers are the one you need to convince since they are the one who set rules among signature campaign participants if you will target signature wearers on this topic.

Sorry, IMO there is a simple and clear hierarchy in the signature campaign pyramid.

The company/client paying for the campaign
The Signature Campaign Manager
The signature carrier/presenter

Who has the most to lose (in terms of money and reputation)?
The answer should be simple, as the pyramid will tell you

I went with "It is subjective", I see many went with "Yes, it is acceptable".

When it become acceptable and granted for everyone then I think all the forum members will be sold to their signature companies. Business with shady intention companies will launch a campaign and their campaign members will justify anything [right or wrong] in their favour.

Hehe very well said!

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[yahoo62278]

I like the freedom of speech that's observed here honestly. I think we are all adults and can handle hearing the word fuck or whatever foul language is offending you. Instead of getting upset, just scroll past the post if it bothers you. I'm not going to lose sleep if I read a post and someone calls me a bitch or whatever, neither should any of you.

A campaign is paying users to make posts, they're not acting like dictators and telling us what to post.

[acroman08]

Fair enough, but the question was about foul language and insults in Signature Campaign posts and whether it was acceptable.

There is no rule prohibiting campaign participants using foul languages on their posts, if you think it is unnecessary and should not be allowed you can ask campaign managers to add a rule on their campaign that prohibits campaign participants from using foul language.

For me I don't see anythin wrong with forum members(may they be a campaign participants or not) using foul language on their posts.

[dimonstration]

I’m not a fan of using insult on a post even on a rough conversation with other user that doesn’t get my point. But as many years of using the forum for discussion I learned how to use the ignore button to hide the post from other user that I don’t like the post construction. It’s a common knowledge here and everyone already mention that foul language and insults are not moderated.

Signature campaign is just an advertisement which means it can’t control the user posting habits unless it’s already harmful to the brand but it’s up to the manager to their job. I really suggest that you start using the ignore button instead of encouraging everyone here to change their posting habits.

[goldkingcoiner]

I voted insignificant.

I think that insults and foul language should be avoided and we should all stay civil and professional as in real life. But not censored. Freedom of speech is what this forum stands for and that should not change.

A signature wearer is usually favored for how much they post, their seniority, rank, and much more. Whether or not he uses foul language is not something that any advertiser would care about unless it were to become a direct issue, connected to their business.

[NotATether]

The only correct answer is that it is subject to the rules of the campaign and Bitcointalk, and if the posts give a negative impression of the advertised service then the campaign manager reserves the right to terminate his membership in the campaign.

[JackpotRacer]

The advertisers don't care about the content; only the income.  This is a mostly free speech forum.
They would only be concerned if their business was connected to the scam, not if the poster is just scamming.

I've recently begun tracking all signature, avatar and tagline changes.  Until I started this project (similar to BPIP but different) there was no way to "prove" someone wore a signature when they wrote something.   I'm not doing this for legal reasons, since I voted it's acceptable, but more to track signature cheaters and other fraud.

This is very commendable, and most here should appreciate it. But you still risk becoming the most hated member here.

>>>All the cheaters will hate you 

[paid2]

The advertisers don't care about the content; only the income.  This is a mostly free speech forum.
They would only be concerned if their business was connected to the scam, not if the poster is just scamming.

Maybe for the Stake or ShitElonCoin campaign, yes, but I don't think that applies to all campaigns. If not all managers are indifferent to the quality of their posters/if the poster is a scammer, it's probably because their customers aren't either indifferent I guess.

I've recently begun tracking all signature, avatar and tagline changes.  Until I started this project (similar to BPIP but different) there was no way to "prove" someone wore a signature when they wrote something.   I'm not doing this for legal reasons, since I voted it's acceptable, but more to track signature cheaters and other fraud.

If it can helps you, LoyceV already offers a service that tracks signature changes and makes it possible to find out who is wearing what on a certain date.
LoyceV's Avatar and Signature log (campaign managers read this!)

[aioc]

The only correct answer is that it is subject to the rules of the campaign and Bitcointalk, and if the posts give a negative impression of the advertised service then the campaign manager reserves the right to terminate his membership in the campaign.

You are correct some bounty managers will hire people who they think can help the advertised platform create a good impression on their potential clients, it's the managers' privilege to pick the right people in their campaign but they base it on the substance of the post, contribution to the community and where the participant is mostly active based on the preference of the advertisers.

[EarnOnVictor]

I voted for Yes because all the figures on the wall show the same. Campaign managers may care less about the altercation between members of the forum and since it is a valid post, such would be scored OK just like others.

This is evident in the fact that they do not call anyone to order about this which is one of the reasons those wearing campaign signatures are emboldened to continue with their vulgar words unrestrained. Again, the forum does not spell a strict rule about this, I do not think that it is a headache for campaign managers to do that.

Needless to say, some of the abusive words are constructed with some sensible facts in most cases but just in an annoying manner. So this may make the campaign manager overlook the abusive words and go ahead to accept the post if the requirement of the campaign is met by it, which is the main goal here.

[Sandra_hakeem]

As far as signature campaigners and insults/profanity goes..[..]

yes, the phrase there is all I needed to stress the idea of criticism.. alot of posters would prefer to criticize rigorously every post they come across...it could include swearing and any type of foul languages you'd think of..

If that was actually a rule in a campaign, it'd be one I'd avoid like the plague.  Who wants some censor following them around the forum, micromanaging what gets said and what doesn't?  Sounds pretty fuckin' icky to me.

You are actually a typical example of someone that doesn't wanna be monitored nor controlled -- especially when it has to do with having a choice of word... Just like I said earlier, dude's clueless about who TF TMan was... maybe he knows? lol.

A campaign is paying users to make posts, they're not acting like dictators and telling us what to post.

Exactly!! If anyone feels they should shove out their dirty panties for FUCK SAKE, let them be!.. it's got alot to do with their reputation.


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[JackpotRacer]

I voted for Yes because all the figures on the wall show the same. Campaign managers may care less about the altercation between members of the forum and since it is a valid post, such would be scored OK just like others.

This is evident in the fact that they do not call anyone to order about this which is one of the reasons those wearing campaign signatures are emboldened to continue with their vulgar words unrestrained. Again, the forum does not spell a strict rule about this, I do not think that it is a headache for campaign managers to do that.

Needless to say, some of the abusive words are constructed with some sensible facts in most cases but just in an annoying manner. So this may make the campaign manager overlook the abusive words and go ahead to accept the post if the requirement of the campaign is met by it, which is the main goal here.

A very interesting angle of view!

[_BlackStar]

Subjective - meaning not all insults are acceptable and may need to be reported to a moderator, but of course there are exceptions why mods should not take action on the report. In some cases - insults may be removed by moderators because they lack meaning or more detailed explanation, but otherwise mods are unlikely to remove them if the post has much other value.

Managers most likely won't count insulting posts like just "you're stupid", "you're an idiot" or something like that due to the lack of character that is a posting requirement. But if it's "you're stupid - you've been warned not to do that and bla bla bla, maybe they will count it as a payment eligible post.

[Hispo]

I suppose it is kind of a subjective thing and also highly dependent on the context of the situation and the rules of the signature campaign. A campaign manager can always do the easiest thing and simply not to count those posts which could be considered lacking of any value and only sent for the sake of flaming and the creation of chaos in a thread/discussion.
Eventually, anyone who just continues to insult without reason and purposely try to taunt others will get excluded from participating in the signature campaign and could even get red tagged by members who belong to the Default Trust.

Many of us have recently seen the case of certain so-called Doctor from the United States which only comes around here in the forum to insult and claim universities are racist and promote violence against him, etc. He got red tagged and he could not join a signature campaign even if he wanted to, it is a clear demonstration of what happena if one misbehaves beyond common sense and reason. Just my opinion.

It is always just try to be civil and be respectful towards others, even when one have strong disagreements, it is one of the things one is supposed to learn how to do as an adult.

[nutildah]

I voted Yes, Acceptable. But it comes with the caveat of being conditional and whether or not the language used is specifically harmful to the employer of the campaign.

OP is just big mad because he launched a Don Quixote-esque campaign against a rather reputable online casino for reasons not entirely clear. Everyone who dared to criticize his heavily-flawed logic and foul-attitude approach was dismissed as being a "signature shower". To my knowledge not one single forum member has taken his side on this issue.

The casino tried to compensate and pacify him in every reasonable way, but he continues to spew unfounded bullshit against them, almost like he is trying to extort money from them or something. Clearly he's not right in the head and the feedback I left for him 4 years ago still holds true today, possibly more than ever before:

nutildah

2020-03-02

While I do not trust users who allow themselves to be "scammed" so frequently, that in itself is not worthy of a negative trust. I do recommend avoiding engaging in any business with this user as they have an extremely poor attitude and tend to complain (a lot) if things don't go exactly as they hoped. Check previous feedback both given and received for examples.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Conversations can sometimes get heated and a person’s choice in language will reflect that. We cannot change human nature, therefore campaign managers should have some tolerance for foul language. As long as the person isn’t doing it just to be a troll and behaving in such a way that it becomes detrimental to the image of the business they are advertising then it should just be considered as exercising their right to free speech.

[JackpotRacer]

I voted Yes, Acceptable. But it comes with the caveat of being conditional and whether or not the language used is specifically harmful to the employer of the campaign.

I apologize, but I cannot let a LIAR and a member who follows me just to spread his lies go away without an answer.
I opened this poll and it is a simple and legitimate poll. Why would someone come in here to attack me and make it personal? Did I mention a member by name and attack them in this poll? NO


Why did you vote here? AM I surprised that you voted with YES? NO as you don't care as long you can show your Signature to earn some sats?
You wrote I opened this poll because I am mad at signature spammers, YES I AM and with reason and one is members like YOU

OP is just big mad because he launched a Don Quixote-esque campaign against a rather reputable online casino for reasons not entirely clear. Everyone who dared to criticize his heavily-flawed logic and foul-attitude approach was dismissed as being a "signature shower". To my knowledge not one single forum member has taken his side on this issue.

Wrong and you are a LIAR and anyone who is interested can read the scam accusation thread (link he posted) but not only to read but to be objective to understand the reason.
You also should read their thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106215.msg63814896#msg63814896
and the reputation thread they opened
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5485686.msg63847290#msg63847290

Yes Blackjack.fun the reputable online casino as you call it SCAMMED me out of 24USDT LOL and they accused me that a big part of the 24USDT was won by using an exploit LOL
I found the exploit when another player used it against me. Instead of being grateful, they accused me of cheating them out of most of the 24USDT. All this without providing any evidence in the form of game logs, which would be easy for the owner/developer. BTW I never asked for a withdrawal as I wanted to help without any bounty

The casino tried to compensate and pacify him in every reasonable way, but he continues to spew unfounded bullshit against them, almost like he is trying to extort money from them or something. Clearly he's not right in the head and the feedback I left for him 4 years ago still holds true today, possibly more than ever before:

nutildah

2020-03-02

While I do not trust users who allow themselves to be "scammed" so frequently, that in itself is not worthy of a negative trust. I do recommend avoiding engaging in any business with this user as they have an extremely poor attitude and tend to complain (a lot) if things don't go exactly as they hoped. Check previous feedback both given and received for examples.

Blatant LIAR! Prove your Accusations!

Blackjack.fun after I opened the Scam accusation wanted to pay me the 24USDT - 30USDT and an additional 100USDT even without KYC! Guess what I did? I kindly declined it as no one can buy me! You can try me! I asked them to give the 30USDT as a donation to any Legendary member or to open a game and round riddle and give the 30USDT as a Prize for free

A member asked me as he was confused that the whole discussion was about 30USDT and an apology because of false accusation if I will stop and close the scam accusation. here you can read the conversation in Blackjack.fun gambling thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106215.msg63819291#msg63819291
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106215.msg63819340#msg63819340
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106215.msg63821949#msg63821949
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5106215.msg63822407#msg63822407

sadly I did not get any answer from this member or Blackjack.fun which means they want to go on fighting for 30USDT the owe me and I never asked for but then I insisted they need to give it as  Donation.

[dimonstration]

@Jackpotracer you change temper quickly and forget about the intention of your thread despite you are the sole author. This is the reason why keep receiving foul word and insulted because you are easy to be triggered on comment that is against you. 

It only takes you 8 non color post to be back again on this same color scheme post pattern to intensify the message of your post. @Nutildah always hits you right on the spot with his valid argument.

[JackpotRacer]

@Jackpotracer you change temper quickly and forget about the intention of your thread despite you are the sole author. This is the reason why keep receiving foul word and insulted because you are easy to be triggered on comment that is against you. 

It only takes you 8 non color post to be back again on this same color scheme post pattern to intensify the message of your post. @Nutildah always hits you right on the spot with his valid argument.

Nutildah and you derailed the Poll now. I hope other members can see it. this Poll is not personal but a legit one

please give me the valid argument? let him or you or anyone prove that I exploited Blackjack.fun for 24USDT or a part of it!
and how much I wanted to extort from Blackjack.fun

all empty accusations! and if not PROVE IT!

I answered you on your what I thought was a serious question and then I never heard back from you. did you forget?
I am sure you had your reasons for not answering. You asked me how Blackjack.fun and I can just agree and settle the case as you could not believe that the whole dilemma is 30USDT and even as a donation.

Prove me wrong and that I wanted to steal the big part of 24USDT easy as that. but you can not and even Blackjack.fun can not prove it as they have not done so far. you and all the others who are fighting me are not doing Blackjack.fun a favor in the contrary you are just hurting them more and more. That is fine with me, and I am grateful for the opportunity to shout it over and over again.


It would be so easy to end this sad comedy of yours if you or whoever and Blackjack.fun would prove your false and empty accusations because if you prove it I will have to sit on my hands/mouth and apologize.

I still think that this is a very legit Poll even some want to derail it as I opened it. I can promise to those who want to derail it that I have some more legit Polls in mind

[dimonstration]

^I’m not trying to derail your poll with my post above. You are the one who started it and I just merely pointed out to you how you easily agitated when an issue is about your previous action is addressed to you.

Just checking here the result of your poll until I saw again your color code post that you are using when the topic is about Blackjack.fun since you already change it back to normal when you started this thread. Not gonna cause you a buzz anymore here. Chill.