Claw Machines: a category of gambling?

[taufik123]

True, many people don't know that the grip strength can be tweaked, so that it is loose for x amount of rounds.
This way even if the player aligns it perfectly with the target, the prize will fall prematurely before being delivered to the hole.
So two factors play and contribute to the winning chance: (1) grip strength and (2) positioning. Basically, whether or not the player is skilled, there is still randomness in the game.

Exactly. I personally don't think that the grip strength can be tweaked in real time, but I'm sure the thing is designed the way that the grip is very weak and can easily lose the prize at any moment.

I had asked one of the puppet claw machine technicians I had met,
they said that the claw force would be strong enough when it reached the specified number of coins.

So it will be quite strong when many coins are inserted, but it will only happen in 1 chance.

Everything has been arranged in such a way that it is not easy to pinch a doll or other types of claw machines.

[ChiBitCTy]

Absolutely 100% they are.  Just like most gambling the house is stacked against you, and they're cheating, but you do have the chance to win money, even bitcoin lol..like - https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bIQmooFB9fg  and another lol https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SwgqQXZ2BtE

Even those coin push machines are considered a form of gambling, and you can even win bitcoin doing so with these lol ( though I don't condone the cheating)- https://youtu.be/Y-cGfaPUXNQ?si=AtVeW94A4CuwBGL8 and a few others https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5_sbDsreyM  , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xhBq0sbHOI

No different than playing bingo, or credit card roulette when out to eat for dinner with friends...if you're risking something with the potential to win more, break even or lose, it's all a gambling game.

[Lanatsa]

True, many people don't know that the grip strength can be tweaked, so that it is loose for x amount of rounds.
This way even if the player aligns it perfectly with the target, the prize will fall prematurely before being delivered to the hole.
So two factors play and contribute to the winning chance: (1) grip strength and (2) positioning. Basically, whether or not the player is skilled, there is still randomness in the game.

Exactly. I personally don't think that the grip strength can be tweaked in real time, but I'm sure the thing is designed the way that the grip is very weak and can easily lose the prize at any moment.

I had asked one of the puppet claw machine technicians I had met,
they said that the claw force would be strong enough when it reached the specified number of coins.

So it will be quite strong when many coins are inserted, but it will only happen in 1 chance.

Everything has been arranged in such a way that it is not easy to pinch a doll or other types of claw machines.

This is what i do have in mind wayback if these things are really that rigged and since you have known someone as claw machine technician on which it did really proves out that
claw grip strength would really be that somewhat changes on the time that it would really be that getting that sufficient coin amount. Its impossible that they wont really be setting out that kind of threshold
because if there's no one would be able to get then it would really be surely considered to be a scam machine. 

Is it considered gambling? For me it would really be that rather to be that an entertainment thing than on gambling. You do know that you are paying up something to get a reward like stuffed toys or other
items but of course there would really be a catch.

[DaNNy001]

In addition to this, Even 3rd party game providers like slot games doesn’t disclose their source code for the games which is why there’s no way to verify the fairness of the game. They are considered as gambling not because fairness is available but rather people risk money in exchange for a chance to win.

Talking about fairness, it is something that is difficult to achieve in gambling and people will do anything to win. Both game providers and players have something in common because what they are looking for is victory, so verifying fairness is something that is difficult for us to achieve.
People who gamble don't look at the fairness factor, but as you said, they think that risking money in gambling can give them a chance to win. Despite the fact that gambling is more about luck and not every time we are in a favorable condition.

Absolutely correct mate, fairness in gambling isn't distributed uniformly. All casino and gambling always make the winning possibility minimal, so that they can make more profit while giving you the hope of making huge wins. One of the best advertising strategy use by gamble developers is the ability to make available huge wins that can be won using a small stack, but in real sense it would be very difficult to make that win, and that's why gamblers keep trying their lucks.The company behind the claw machine is smart for making a eye catching design, usually for more of the youths. However luck is just the basic explanation to the outcome, of any gambling game  and not skill.

[dunfida]

In addition to this, Even 3rd party game providers like slot games doesn’t disclose their source code for the games which is why there’s no way to verify the fairness of the game. They are considered as gambling not because fairness is available but rather people risk money in exchange for a chance to win.

Talking about fairness, it is something that is difficult to achieve in gambling and people will do anything to win. Both game providers and players have something in common because what they are looking for is victory, so verifying fairness is something that is difficult for us to achieve.
People who gamble don't look at the fairness factor, but as you said, they think that risking money in gambling can give them a chance to win. Despite the fact that gambling is more about luck and not every time we are in a favorable condition.

Absolutely correct mate, fairness in gambling isn't distributed uniformly. All casino and gambling always make the winning possibility minimal, so that they can make more profit while giving you the hope of making huge wins. One of the best advertising strategy use by gamble developers is the ability to make available huge wins that can be won using a small stack, but in real sense it would be very difficult to make that win, and that's why gamblers keep trying their lucks.The company behind the claw machine is smart for making a eye catching design, usually for more of the youths. However luck is just the basic explanation to the outcome, of any gambling game  and not skill.

If you do tend to look at on the recent previous post then this isnt really talking about luck with those claw machines but rather there are really that kind of fixing or being programmed that you would be able to get
if they would be getting sufficient amount into those coins that would be put up into the slot. Its business as we do all know on which this kind of program will really be that just normal. People would really be trying out their luck with these machines at the same time that they would really be having that thrill on the time that they would really be trying to get those stuffs on the machine.Its true that the primary target out of these machines are those young people who are really that believing that they could easily get those stuffs without any problems and this what makes money  with those operators.

[wheelz1200]

I mean we are splitting hairs here.  Is playing arcade games for tickets where you can hand in for prizes gambling?  Probably not.  If you play a game and win a prize it's just that, a game.  I mean I guess if there is money in the claw machine possibly but I would consider that more a game in which you can win something if played correctly.  There is no real other player, or house.

[Dzigie]

I've played the claw machine before. To me, they're entertainment machines. It's not right to call them gambling machines. But for some people, these machines turn into addiction like gambling. Some people spend a lot of money on these machines. I don't want to call them gambling machines, but I know that for some people they are no different from gambling.

Also, I have a memory of these machines. One day I played one of these machines to win a little pink bear for my girlfriend. I didn't win, but my girlfriend played after me and she won. I don't know if these machines are for entertainment or gambling, but I lost both times.

[South Park]

I've played the claw machine before. To me, they're entertainment machines. It's not right to call them gambling machines. But for some people, these machines turn into addiction like gambling. Some people spend a lot of money on these machines. I don't want to call them gambling machines, but I know that for some people they are no different from gambling.

Also, I have a memory of these machines. One day I played one of these machines to win a little pink bear for my girlfriend. I didn't win, but my girlfriend played after me and she won. I don't know if these machines are for entertainment or gambling, but I lost both times.

I do not know, to me those machines are clearly a form of gambling even if the people behind them may argue against it, and my reasoning is very simple, if you use your money to buy a product and you have a 100% chance of getting your product or your money back in the case there was an issue with it, then that is a simple transaction, however if you use your money for the possibility of getting something, whether that something is a monetary reward or some other prize, then regardless of whether your skill matters or not, this is a form of gambling.

[Maus0728]

Would've categorized claw machines as gambling if only the machines weren't rigged or anything like that, and it just so happens that this is what's happening with claw machines, it doesn't give you the reward no matter how good you are because the claw has been rigged by the owner, it's not the same at how the casinos rig their games, they rig it based on mathematical principle and that the odds are always against you even in the natural state of things but in claw machines, the rigging is not natural, it's created by someone so you think that you can win something from it. Maybe that aspect of claw machine can be debated as the reason why it's considered gambling but I'm going to stand by it and say it's not.

[tottong]

Absolutely correct mate, fairness in gambling isn't distributed uniformly. All casino and gambling always make the winning possibility minimal, so that they can make more profit while giving you the hope of making huge wins. One of the best advertising strategy use by gamble developers is the ability to make available huge wins that can be won using a small stack, but in real sense it would be very difficult to make that win, and that's why gamblers keep trying their lucks.The company behind the claw machine is smart for making a eye catching design, usually for more of the youths. However luck is just the basic explanation to the outcome, of any gambling game  and not skill.

The possibility of winning is deliberately created and in almost all forms of gambling we find something like that. But the problem lies in who will be lucky to get that big win and not everyone can achieve it.
We get caught up in the advertising they are trying to develop and most people experience the thought of chasing big wins with small stacks. The smart claw machine is designed as a game and I see that there are many companies that have developed it in areas that are generally visited by young people.
It's a place of fun and people will put in coins to play it and it will probably grow quite a bit in the next few years.

[Betwrong]

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Exactly. I personally don't think that the grip strength can be tweaked in real time, but I'm sure the thing is designed the way that the grip is very weak and can easily lose the prize at any moment.

I had asked one of the puppet claw machine technicians I had met,
they said that the claw force would be strong enough when it reached the specified number of coins.

So it will be quite strong when many coins are inserted, but it will only happen in 1 chance.

Everything has been arranged in such a way that it is not easy to pinch a doll or other types of claw machines.

I think there are at least several different types of claw machines, and maybe that particular one in that particular place was designed like they told you, but I'm sure there are many others, much simpler than that. They are just designed to hold the prize(if they caught it) with pretty weak grip, weak enough to lose most of the prizes right away or along the road. It's all mechanical, no sophisticated programming involved.

[dansus021]

Hahahhaha very very good question is Claw Machines: a category of gambling? Claw machine is everywhere and kid loves it, adult people loves it I mean who dont like this game hahahah and this is personal opinion but I would condider claw machine as mini gambling machine  why because I heard that the owner of the claw machines can setup how much power the claw is and if you have weak claw meaning you need extra careful and focus to win the prize

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? Mini gambling machine yes hahahha but this is JuST IMo
What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless? chances are good especially if you have skill a focus and yes luck are needed too

[angrybirdy]

Hahahhaha very very good question is Claw Machines: a category of gambling? Claw machine is everywhere and kid loves it, adult people loves it I mean who dont like this game hahahah and this is personal opinion but I would condider claw machine as mini gambling machine  why because I heard that the owner of the claw machines can setup how much power the claw is and if you have weak claw meaning you need extra careful and focus to win the prize

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? Mini gambling machine yes hahahha but this is JuST IMo
What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless? chances are good especially if you have skill a focus and yes luck are needed too

So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

[nullama]

~snip~
So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

I think those machines must go through some kind of "certification" just like the gambling machines have to.

Otherwise they could simply not give you prizes, ever, which would be a scam I think.

One thing is to be difficult to win, other to be impossible.

[dansus021]

~SNIP~

So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

Yeah you can set up the strength or adjust the claw machine if you the owner you can set the claw more tight or more loose when grab something and hahhaha ring a bell it is similiar with playing gatcha in games and I personally consider that as a gambling too hahaha.

Oh one more thing if you still curious about claw machine consider checking google this "can we setup the strength of claw machine" there are also videos tutorial in it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL0GO9SCHwU

[ethereumhunter]

So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

It could be right because the owners doesn't wants to sees many people can wins from their machines so they will figures out how to prevents people to wins. If some people can wins, that means they have their luck as we knows that claw machine is based on the luck. If those people can't wins, they don't have their luck but they will try it in the other days. They used their customer greediness to play more which means they knows how to tempts their customer to spends more money to wins some prizes. Some people really gets tempts to keeps playing claw machine and not realizes that they already spent much money. That's why claw machine is one of the gambling games that offers fun to their customer because the customer can try over and over to wins the prizes.

[South Park]

Hahahhaha very very good question is Claw Machines: a category of gambling? Claw machine is everywhere and kid loves it, adult people loves it I mean who dont like this game hahahah and this is personal opinion but I would condider claw machine as mini gambling machine  why because I heard that the owner of the claw machines can setup how much power the claw is and if you have weak claw meaning you need extra careful and focus to win the prize

Do you consider this a category of gambling game? Mini gambling machine yes hahahha but this is JuST IMo
What are the chances on long run? Skills matter, or do you have to be lucky, nevertheless? chances are good especially if you have skill a focus and yes luck are needed too

So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

I think it is pretty much a fact this is the case, if not then a skilled player could win most of the time by simply getting better at manipulating the claw, so the owners of those machines need to find a way to counter those players, and the way to do that is by manipulating the strength of the claw, this way it does not matter how much skilled a person may get when using the claw, as if the claw itself is not working properly, then they have no way to win no matter what they do.

[Asuspawer09]

In my opinion yes, it is considered to be gambling since you are risking your money in order to win, but the only thing is it's going to be a different reward, it's not going to double your money something like that instead your getting stuff toy or some reward. But more like a scam   since I never actually win on a claw machine, I guess if you are a skilled claw machine player it might be a good bet but in my opinion, the chances of winning are very slim so might not be worth it because the quality of your reward wasn't really that great considering your paying a lot for such a cheap stuff toy.

But I guess the good thing here is most of the people that use the machine are just playing for fun because it is really something that you could be proud of with your friends or probably girlfriends if you win a prize then give it to them, it would make you look good as a skilled player  so even though it was kind of a scam not winning, but the moment you win it was really worth it and fun at the same time.
 

[dansus021]

~SNIP~

So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

I think it is pretty much a fact this is the case, if not then a skilled player could win most of the time by simply getting better at manipulating the claw, so the owners of those machines need to find a way to counter those players, and the way to do that is by manipulating the strength of the claw, this way it does not matter how much skilled a person may get when using the claw, as if the claw itself is not working properly, then they have no way to win no matter what they do.

Yeah South park already tell you the truth a claw machine has been a set up. the owner of claw machine did that I mean at the end of the day all of this is just for a profit and that it if you want to give some free stuff that fine you can make the claw even tighter and stronger maybe no skilled required for it.

Hahaha skilled player is everywhere and people who want to profit is also everywhere this is just business and people who play it sometimes just do it for fun and test their luck

[angrybirdy]

~SNIP~

So you mean, It's real that some claw machine has been set up? that's why sometimes there's a low chance of winning because the claw didn't work well even if you already placed it correctly in your target item. If that's the case, They tricked their customer in order to play more and more until they get at least 1 item from that machine, It is considered as a type of mini gambling and just a normal game at the same time because it gives us an exciting and interesting game while spending A lot of money.

I think it is pretty much a fact this is the case, if not then a skilled player could win most of the time by simply getting better at manipulating the claw, so the owners of those machines need to find a way to counter those players, and the way to do that is by manipulating the strength of the claw, this way it does not matter how much skilled a person may get when using the claw, as if the claw itself is not working properly, then they have no way to win no matter what they do.

Yeah South park already tell you the truth a claw machine has been a set up. the owner of claw machine did that I mean at the end of the day all of this is just for a profit and that it if you want to give some free stuff that fine you can make the claw even tighter and stronger maybe no skilled required for it.

Hahaha skilled player is everywhere and people who want to profit is also everywhere this is just business and people who play it sometimes just do it for fun and test their luck

Ohhh I see, that's why sometimes it's really hard to get some items in some claw machine especially here in our place, it's kinda difficult to get some items even if you have skills in doing it but when you come in japan, I've watched a lot of videos showing that some people are easily catch some stuffs because of tight set up of claw and if I'm able to visit that country, I won't miss to try their claw machines because for sure I will enjoy doing the catch there.