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April 28, 2024, 05:28:25 PM
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We don't really need to blame the fraudster, if you don't fall victim to them there's no way you're going to get scammed, that is why is not advisable for children who's at the age of 17 to start using the internet, reason is because they can easily get scammed. However most people heard about internet fraudsters but you will be surprise on how they will still fall victim to them, I think most of this internet fraudsters are using charm to get what they want.
But if you have fall victim to fraudster before, you will know that we need to blame them for carry out such evil act in the community, and they don't know child or adult if you fall to their traps and they will empty your account to frustrate your life, but fraudster don't live long to enjoy what they have stole from people.

It hard for someone that fell victim to scammers before, to fall victim again because the person will like to share his mistakes for other people to learn and never to fall victims to scammers, which many people have learned from other people mistakes never to be a victim.

Assume there is no scammers in the community,  people coins would have be safe even though they mistakenly exposed their details in the public but scammers are now the ones looking for way to have access to people details to hack their accounts, which scammers are to be blame for the fraudulent.

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April 28, 2024, 07:51:08 PM
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IMO neither party Is to blame cause we are all part of a cycle and that is the way the world is, some frudstrs didn't have a choice than to be what there are, it maybe bad friends or even a product of circumstances and environment
I'm sorry but this doesn't make any sense: I understand that some people are luckier than others depending on where they were born, the family, the education they received, etc etc, but if you decide to commit a crime that is on you. Otherwise we should find excuses also for murderers, etc etc. Scamming people is just one easy way to make money, just like stealing, that's it. If you want to earn money the legal way you have plenty of options but of course many choose the quickest and laziest way.
Everyone will have the same opportunity to work hard. However, they cannot compare their results with those of others because they are in accordance with what has been outlined. If there are people who deceive others to get what they want, those are the wrong methods. We can't blame them because they may be having difficulties and are forced to use such methods. But we can advise them not to do such things or cheat others.

Some people can give advice and also provide a way out for people who have often deceived other people. There are people who no longer want to deceive other people because they understand that it is wrong. Deceiving others is a choice made by each person and if they think that deceiving others is wrong, they will not do it again.
What do you mean we can't blame people who deceive others because they may be having difficulties? So you're saying that the law doesn't apply to them? If you're hungry you can stab someone and steal his food? There is no excuse for committing a fraud. I can understand if you go to a supermarket and steal some bread because you're starving, but if you're scamming people online you're just a criminal, that's it.

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May 01, 2024, 11:21:37 AM
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Between scammers and the victim who are to be blamed?first the I would blame the scammers more because God has given everybody the potential to work to earn a living and these scammers who are lazy to work genuinely but depend on other people's income for survival.Scammers are inhumane,how would someone just think of causing harm to someone's emotion.The fact that the blames are more on the scammers doesn't mean that the scammed shouldn't be blamed both parties played a role.The Internet is not scam free so every crypto investors should be guided and security concious because those fraudsters are getting with new updates that looks so real to be called scam.

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May 01, 2024, 11:50:41 AM
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Cheating is a wrong attitude, if someone does it then they are very blameworthy, the act of cheating cannot be justified.

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May 02, 2024, 07:27:20 AM
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Cheating is a wrong attitude, if someone does it then they are very blameworthy, the act of cheating cannot be justified.
We don't want blame or any because it a negative thing. What we want to happen of course is to make those people involved be accountable of their foul action taking advantage of other people. But most of the time, don't have anything to do about it. Those people just keeps getting away. So what we can do  is to be more aware and cautious of this type of scams.

As said, we cannot chose the people we get transaction with, but we always have the choice to be most responsible participant in the crypto space.

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May 02, 2024, 07:59:11 AM
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We don't really need to blame the fraudster, if you don't fall victim to them there's no way you're going to get scammed, that is why is not advisable for children who's at the age of 17 to start using the internet, reason is because they can easily get scammed.

What do you mean "not advisable"? These days, children have been using the internet since the age of 12, if not earlier. We can't do much about it, and imo we shouldn't. Preventing them using the internet is like pushing them back in the direction of the Stone Age. What we should do is educate our children regarding possible scams on the internet, and ask them to consult us first before following any suspicious links.

And don't keep your Bitcoin on the devices your kids use for browsing the internet, guys. For sure don't do that.


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May 02, 2024, 08:14:29 AM
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Cheating is a wrong attitude, if someone does it then they are very blameworthy, the act of cheating cannot be justified.

I completely agree, and at the same time, it is much harder to find scammers in the cryptocurrency world than scammers in reality.
The fact is that pseudonymity or complete anonymity have a downside, which makes it very difficult to find guilty people. Therefore, I believe that anonymous cryptocurrencies will disappear. They will be banned. And every day I see more and more opinions in which people write that anonymous cryptocurrencies are used only by scammers. As well as mixers. After all, there is no need for ordinary honest people to use it.
On the one hand, I agree with these statements, and on the other hand, I would not like cryptocurrencies to become completely anonymous because of scammers. After all, anonymity is part of the bitcoin concept.

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May 02, 2024, 08:30:30 AM
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Cheating is a wrong attitude, if someone does it then they are very blameworthy, the act of cheating cannot be justified.

I completely agree, and at the same time, it is much harder to find scammers in the cryptocurrency world than scammers in reality.
The fact is that pseudonymity or complete anonymity have a downside, which makes it very difficult to find guilty people. Therefore, I believe that anonymous cryptocurrencies will disappear. They will be banned. And every day I see more and more opinions in which people write that anonymous cryptocurrencies are used only by scammers. As well as mixers. After all, there is no need for ordinary honest people to use it.
On the one hand, I agree with these statements, and on the other hand, I would not like cryptocurrencies to become completely anonymous because of scammers. After all, anonymity is part of the bitcoin concept.

We have already learned to track where bitcoins go and mark wallets, development in this area occurred several years ago. Now analytical centers can fully disclose everything to those authorized bodies that request such information. Anonymity will always be curtailed because it implies the actions of dishonest people and this is logical. I don’t understand why many people are surprised by this, you just need to lead an honest life and sleep peacefully at night. Still, creation, development, honesty are of greater benefit to us and our lives than those who want to steal something valuable from someone and go unpunished.

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May 02, 2024, 01:36:02 PM
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You should know that most times these fraudsters have the ability to manipulate your ! mentality and scam you. So when someone falls victim of fraud, it's not only because they were irresponsible or not security conscious but also because they were tricked. The truth is that anyone can fall victims of scam. Even those we might think are experts may also be vulnerable to scam. There might be little doors that may grant access to these hackers, scammer to get your funds. As an investor, you should be able to secure your funds at all cost and this can only be achieved by constantly being updated with security tips. Avoid anything that looks too good to be true. Don't link your funded account to unknown sites.
the funny thing about scammers is that scammers cannot scam you when you are not desperate of having something so if you are desperate to achieve something else is a condition a scammer can easily scam you so that is why when I look at some people who is the victim of a scammers I do not blame them that much because I know quite well that may be they are willing to get what they want so whoever that being scam by any scammer it is the fault of the person, so I know very well that everyone have it own lapses when you come to investment

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Have you noticed that whenever someone complain or there is an incident of scam they is always a role that was played by the person in that happening
Of course, you must have a role to play that results in an incident else, there wouldn’t be any incident in the first place.

Now, how do you treat an infection, you cut it right from the source. That’s because if you don’t and rather give it a surface treatment, you’ll just have another grow in its place.
Well, this ain’t an infection but, it could be approached in the same way in its treatment. Yeah, you don’t get to get Al scammers from the internet but, it’s the bases that guides our having to teach the young once to be patriotic and morally abide in virtues that would make the space we occupy, either online or offline a safe place to exist.
The surface treat of exposing scam schemes, scam bursting, creating awareness and more would help but, we need to teach our next generation too that these aren’t worth practicing.

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You should know that most times these fraudsters have the ability to manipulate your ! mentality and scam you. So when someone falls victim of fraud, it's not only because they were irresponsible or not security conscious but also because they were tricked. The truth is that anyone can fall victims of scam. Even those we might think are experts may also be vulnerable to scam. There might be little doors that may grant access to these hackers, scammer to get your funds. As an investor, you should be able to secure your funds at all cost and this can only be achieved by constantly being updated with security tips. Avoid anything that looks too good to be true. Don't link your funded account to unknown sites.
the funny thing about scammers is that scammers cannot scam you when you are not desperate of having something so if you are desperate to achieve something else is a condition a scammer can easily scam you so that is why when I look at some people who is the victim of a scammers I do not blame them that much because I know quite well that may be they are willing to get what they want so whoever that being scam by any scammer it is the fault of the person, so I know very well that everyone have it own lapses when you come to investment

In fact they cannot scam those people if they know what is the real intention of the programs created by those scammers. They only target those desperate people or newbies which is trying to seek for immediate profit and this is what usually we see. If the question is we should blame the fraudster then I guess the main person need to be blame on this are the promoters of those scams and the greedy bastards thinking about getting easy money from them.

Those scammers will continue to create these scam platforms since they know that there's still a lot of guys will gonna bite those platforms they created. If people is just well educated on this type of scam for sure there will be no victim of scams and scammers might stop especially if they see that what they do is not giving them good earnings anymore. But at current situations its like it will never happen since scamming seems will not end anytime soon and it will continue to exist.

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May 03, 2024, 02:11:33 PM
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Scammers are to blame for taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge. At the same time, people also have a responsibility to educate themselves to avoid losing money.
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May 03, 2024, 02:15:15 PM
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Scammers are to blame for taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge. At the same time, people also have a responsibility to educate themselves to avoid losing money.

Well, scammers are committing a crime, and it's kinda strange to blame the victim. On the other hand, if someone keeps falling for their schemes then there is something wrong with that person...
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You should know that most times these fraudsters have the ability to manipulate your ! mentality and scam you. So when someone falls victim of fraud, it's not only because they were irresponsible or not security conscious but also because they were tricked. The truth is that anyone can fall victims of scam. Even those we might think are experts may also be vulnerable to scam. There might be little doors that may grant access to these hackers, scammer to get your funds. As an investor, you should be able to secure your funds at all cost and this can only be achieved by constantly being updated with security tips. Avoid anything that looks too good to be true. Don't link your funded account to unknown sites.
the funny thing about scammers is that scammers cannot scam you when you are not desperate of having something so if you are desperate to achieve something else is a condition a scammer can easily scam you so that is why when I look at some people who is the victim of a scammers I do not blame them that much because I know quite well that may be they are willing to get what they want so whoever that being scam by any scammer it is the fault of the person, so I know very well that everyone have it own lapses when you come to investment




You are wrong Mate. You can't justify a scammer because of the desperacy of someone, yeah most people are unwise and then to be less cautious but you the scammer that have intentions of scamming creating a promising effect to catch bait is the real deal.
I don't see how you leave perpetrators of evil, then blame ignorance of anyone. Minus them would suggest happen, NO.


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May 03, 2024, 10:43:34 PM
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We don't really need to blame the fraudster, if you don't fall victim to them there's no way you're going to get scammed, that is why is not advisable for children who's at the age of 17 to start using the internet, reason is because they can easily get scammed.

What do you mean "not advisable"? These days, children have been using the internet since the age of 12, if not earlier. We can't do much about it, and imo we shouldn't. Preventing them using the internet is like pushing them back in the direction of the Stone Age. What we should do is educate our children regarding possible scams on the internet, and ask them to consult us first before following any suspicious links.

And don't keep your Bitcoin on the devices your kids use for browsing the internet, guys. For sure don't do that.


I guess preventing the children not to use the internet could result the other way, they will only be left ignorant with what is happening all over the world, and I don’t want for my child either to experience like that. All they need is our guidance and assistance so they won’t end up clicking those suspicious links that will scam them or hack their accounts.

Also, let’s just accept that scamming has become inevitable now. But if we can take some measures to lessen their existence, then we should do it. And I think getting the right education on how to secure our accounts and on how to secure our online investments could be very helpful most particularly for those who are still beginners.

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May 04, 2024, 06:15:39 AM
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You should know that most times these fraudsters have the ability to manipulate your ! mentality and scam you. So when someone falls victim of fraud, it's not only because they were irresponsible or not security conscious but also because they were tricked. The truth is that anyone can fall victims of scam. Even those we might think are experts may also be vulnerable to scam. There might be little doors that may grant access to these hackers, scammer to get your funds. As an investor, you should be able to secure your funds at all cost and this can only be achieved by constantly being updated with security tips. Avoid anything that looks too good to be true. Don't link your funded account to unknown sites.

Yes your really correct , you speak volume in my heart fraudster go beyond the victim mist as mist has the technicality as engaged in most diabolical means just to track their victims. Many time some victim realize themselves after being a victim is not all about being cautious but some time one should also seek the guide if what ever you believe as supreme being to protect you against intruder coming in against your own way of survival.

Example the common term they called 419 one if my family man fall victim why he was in thesame vehicle with this kind of people just an engagement in conversation he loss his memory and give this people all his details to his account, even to the point he sold his property, borrowed money and send to this 419 people before the family realize things has gone wrong beyond control and this leads to sudden death if the man because the Dept he incured was unbearable because of this 419.

Conclusively one must be careful in all means knowing that scammers don't only operate most time with mere eye but engage on some spiritual powers and their victims is easily capture by conversation and sharing of details let your own God be strong through your faith and one must apply wisdom at all cost never been ignorance in their tactics.

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May 04, 2024, 06:44:43 AM
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No one is at fault but depending to how each of them uses the system .

Example the one person deliver fraud , and the other one believes that completely without digging what is the real score then that is his own foolishness .

and also that one who believes easily about those fraud but for me , I analyze them first because at some point fraud can be use as readying material to what will come in the future.

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May 04, 2024, 07:03:22 AM
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The Big Question

Who Is Really At Fault?

Have you noticed that whenever someone complain or there is an incident of scam they is always a role that was played by the person in that happening, either they failed to be security conscious or they were totally ignorant, and when you look at it the scammer never forced them to comply, this people willingly fell for their trick (Now to be clear I'm not saying scammers are right or saints, I'm pointing to the fact that we are responsible for ourselves, so enough of that shitty excuse, yeah the Internet would be a safer place without scammers but there are here, so deal with it)

There are lots of crypto investors that are well educated, have a good job and a higher level of exposure than even most scammers, but they chose to enter into the crypto space irresponsibly and they inevitably get scammed and at times lose huge sums of money or even life savings. Last bull run there was this Elon musk swap scam that was on and someone lost 10 bitcoins to it and even other cases where people have gotten scam through crypto ads or crypto exchanges that shut down and all this would have been prevented in a way.


In conclusion
there are numerous experiences and stories of people getting scammed and it wasn't as tho a high class hacker went into the blockchain or stole their seed phrase, they literally gave them their money, I think no matter the new app with added security or software, people would still fall into scam as long as they chose to remain ignorant and disregard security consciousness, we can not protect anyone's holding for them, no matter how many treads on security and how to avoid scams are introduced, at the end of the day its a personal responsibility and each person must play their role in their safety.




With crypto you gotta have high standards when it comes to safe guarding it. There are crazy scams all the time and so elaborate that even some bitcoin devs fall for them.

It's so funny how people would be so careless in the crypto space, and you would wonder if there knew what they were doing, it's decentralization for God's sake which means you are responsible for yourself you can't go around messing with what you have;

  • your safety is in your hands
  • your improvements is also in your hands


I think if more people accept that it's their responsibility to protect and safeguard themselves and also filter the information they consume, we would have a reduce in the amount of scam that happens.

Firstly, I don't think there is any need for the big question in bold, here. Because obviously you're not disputing the fact that not only one plays the role in scam rather the both party does.

It's very much obvious that both the scammers and the scammed plays a very big role in every scam case but the fact that this scammers are just so greed not to go work for their own money rather prefer to take from people who have worked for themselves, that's the only place I blame this scammers hence, I thing the people scammed in the crypto space especially with the Ponzi scheme scam are truly at fault for there lost coins. Greed plays a major role in this scam case most victims are very greedy to the extent of risking their money to get more with someone who you don't even know.

It's just poor to see such scenarios but it's true that both party plays a very big role in every scam, but we pray circumstances don't befall us hence we could be save in the crypto space, because for sure there is no 100% safe place in the internet.

Yeah they played a big role in fooling you and also held your hands and forces you to send your bitcoin to them, then you go around screaming I was scammed, doesn't that sound lame to you, the truth is that your were ignorant, careless and failed to be security conscious, yeah your so busy crying out for decentralization and most you don't know what that really means, you in fucking control, no one is responsible for you but yourself, and scammers know that and that's why they exploit the shit out of you, if it's so fun been ignorant your free and can continue blaming the mirror for showing you how ugly you are than applying some make up.

If more people realise that decentralized systems isn't like a banking or centralized system were you can go and report a transaction and they seize the persons money or track the person( although its possible if they are not smart enough) then you would be more careful when doing deals here.
I think we can never blame a person who is trying to do scam because in every situation and era there are people who will try to scam you in the way that you would have never thought of. So it's your responsibility to educate yourself enough so that you can be capable enough to resist these kind of toxic people.

Focus on yourself and the way you can reduce being victimised to these kinds of situations.

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May 04, 2024, 09:45:29 PM
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The Big Question

Who Is Really At Fault?

Have you noticed that whenever someone complain or there is an incident of scam they is always a role that was played by the person in that happening, either they failed to be security conscious or they were totally ignorant, and when you look at it the scammer never forced them to comply, this people willingly fell for their trick (Now to be clear I'm not saying scammers are right or saints, I'm pointing to the fact that we are responsible for ourselves, so enough of that shitty excuse, yeah the Internet would be a safer place without scammers but there are here, so deal with it)

There are lots of crypto investors that are well educated, have a good job and a higher level of exposure than even most scammers, but they chose to enter into the crypto space irresponsibly and they inevitably get scammed and at times lose huge sums of money or even life savings. Last bull run there was this Elon musk swap scam that was on and someone lost 10 bitcoins to it and even other cases where people have gotten scam through crypto ads or crypto exchanges that shut down and all this would have been prevented in a way.


In conclusion
there are numerous experiences and stories of people getting scammed and it wasn't as tho a high class hacker went into the blockchain or stole their seed phrase, they literally gave them their money, I think no matter the new app with added security or software, people would still fall into scam as long as they chose to remain ignorant and disregard security consciousness, we can not protect anyone's holding for them, no matter how many treads on security and how to avoid scams are introduced, at the end of the day its a personal responsibility and each person must play their role in their safety.




With crypto you gotta have high standards when it comes to safe guarding it. There are crazy scams all the time and so elaborate that even some bitcoin devs fall for them.

It's so funny how people would be so careless in the crypto space, and you would wonder if there knew what they were doing, it's decentralization for God's sake which means you are responsible for yourself you can't go around messing with what you have;

  • your safety is in your hands
  • your improvements is also in your hands


I think if more people accept that it's their responsibility to protect and safeguard themselves and also filter the information they consume, we would have a reduce in the amount of scam that happens.

Firstly, I don't think there is any need for the big question in bold, here. Because obviously you're not disputing the fact that not only one plays the role in scam rather the both party does.

It's very much obvious that both the scammers and the scammed plays a very big role in every scam case but the fact that this scammers are just so greed not to go work for their own money rather prefer to take from people who have worked for themselves, that's the only place I blame this scammers hence, I thing the people scammed in the crypto space especially with the Ponzi scheme scam are truly at fault for there lost coins. Greed plays a major role in this scam case most victims are very greedy to the extent of risking their money to get more with someone who you don't even know.

It's just poor to see such scenarios but it's true that both party plays a very big role in every scam, but we pray circumstances don't befall us hence we could be save in the crypto space, because for sure there is no 100% safe place in the internet.

Yeah they played a big role in fooling you and also held your hands and forces you to send your bitcoin to them, then you go around screaming I was scammed, doesn't that sound lame to you, the truth is that your were ignorant, careless and failed to be security conscious, yeah your so busy crying out for decentralization and most you don't know what that really means, you in fucking control, no one is responsible for you but yourself, and scammers know that and that's why they exploit the shit out of you, if it's so fun been ignorant your free and can continue blaming the mirror for showing you how ugly you are than applying some make up.

If more people realise that decentralized systems isn't like a banking or centralized system were you can go and report a transaction and they seize the persons money or track the person( although its possible if they are not smart enough) then you would be more careful when doing deals here.
I think we can never blame a person who is trying to do scam because in every situation and era there are people who will try to scam you in the way that you would have never thought of. So it's your responsibility to educate yourself enough so that you can be capable enough to resist these kind of toxic people.

Focus on yourself and the way you can reduce being victimised to these kinds of situations.

Well said , I think we don't need to blame those scammers because if you don't fall a victim to them there's no way you will get scammed, that is why is good to be educated because if you're not educated enough you will find it so difficult to resist them. Those people who are not  educated enough they get brainwash so easily, that is one of the importance of being educated.

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Yes, I am an advocate that people should always exercise the most care and diligence whenever they try to deal with downloading applications or registering into a sketchy website. But the fact that there are people who intentionally scam others is not an excuse to a person's ignorance.

At the end of the day, it is all about the existence of these scams. Sure, newbies are party to blame in this perspective but at the same time, why would you scam in the first place? Again, you do not blame the victim- you blame the offender for creating a harmful situation that exposes a newbie's innocence.
I'll never support fraud cause I know it's not right to cheat people or take advantage of their ignorance but i agree with you that people should be careful when dealing with certain things especially things on the Internet like applications or sketchy websites like you stated, which  could make them reveal vital informations to those fraudsters. Ignorance could be the reason for such carelessness but greed could also be thing too, sometimes those scammers publish things that are too good to be true and then back it up with huge offers that could attract people to patronise them and out of greed some people would fall for it. It's not only newbies anyone could fall victim to scam, all those scammers just need most times is not ignorant people but greedy people that they could lure into a fake business or investment plan and then boom even as a professional you could find yourself falling for it if you are  not careful.


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