More revelations on the challenges of physical casinos

[zarintasnim]

 Comparing online and offline casinos is quite different. Physical casinos have a lot of security systems so many guards use also CC TV cameras and other security. How a unknown people know the amount of winging I am a little confused. They should verify before payment wingin amount. Casinos disburse full money and for this reason, I think all of them are equally responsible. Another reason behind this is they might have planned with their worker not to release the funds since he played with a very small amount which would have been a huge loss to the casino. They give only 3 million.

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[Samlucky O]

That is why it's important to always have an online betting account because most of this offline shop agents are very mischievous, greedy and dishonest. Not only in this particular case you have Sheard but has been happening for long now in different ways. Sometimes after winning a game the gambling agent will take some commission from you won game without your permission. Sometimes if you are not careful to cross check your won ticket and the amount given to you, you may be short payed . This has led to many controversies between Gamblers and shop agents. I personally don't fancy gambling offline because of this type of scenerio. if I want to gamble, I gamble online because it is fast, easy and convenient and has a highly level of privacy and security compeard to offline.

[mak013]

It sounds strange for me. I use bank cards for gambling all time i`m in the gambling. In such situation the agent can only match that you win. He don`t work with the money and can`t steal it.
PS. It is small enough sum, as for me. The agent can get big problems and lose his job for it. I don`t sure that he would get profit as the result of this steal.

Sure it sounds weird, but there could be some sense behind of it. Perhaps, we are talking about a gambling company which works within a model of franchises, in which each betting store is operated in a autonomous way by each agent, who happens to be the owner of the place as well. Probably, the owner of this specific betting place has some of his own money as bankroll of the business to continue to operate, thrus why he did not want to pay that bettor the money which was rightfully of his property.
Regardless of what happened, this is the kind of situation which shows when a betting house or casino is not to be trusted by the general public.

It is possible situation. But it only shows that we can`t believe such bookies/casinos, and bank card can`t help in such situation. It means only that we must choose seriously the place where we bet. As we see, the best way would be to avoid small local casinos or different franchises casinos. Big bookie will care about his reputation and avoid such situations.

[m2017]

I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Physical or online casinos / bookmakers, any of them may, for a far-fetched reason, not pay the prize money won. The Internet is full of stories about online casinos freezing deposits and not paying anything for far-fetched reasons, demanding one confirmation (verification, KYC) after another. Ultimately, it may come to the point where the rules simply change at any moment. I wouldn’t be surprised if soon the conditions for providing gaming services at a casino will require you to agree to the terms “the casino can at any time, for any reason, refuse to issue a deposit without explanation.” Perhaps this condition already exists.

The type of casino (online or offline) is completely unimportant. They all have one goal - to get your money and once giving it away, the gambler finds himself in the trap of dependence on the casino: either he will lose his entire deposit, or he will be denied the prize money (if the agent is greedy). Every time you give your money to others (casinos, exchangers or traditional banks), you lose control over your finances, which in worst cases may simply not be returned.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The popularity of online gambling platform have been on the increase for a while now thereby creating several arguments between them and the  physical outlets in terms of which is the best. There was an incidence I saw on twitter this money that made me decide to create this post so anyone who is bent on using physical shops should be cautious.

According to the tweet and the victim narration, he bet the game in a physical shop and won N16,700,000 (~$13,500) but the agent of the shop refused to pay him even after the betting company from their head office instructed him to pay. Not that the company did not pay the agent, they paid but the agent refused to pay him saying that someone else have come to withdraw the money. He approached the court only to get N3,000,000( $2,400) out of the total winning and was asked to go and look for the people that withdrew that money. Normally, when there is winning, the only way to withdraw is to tender the ticket to the agents who will take the ticket before paying the winning. So I do not know how someone will withdraw the winning of another and what the person used to make the withdrawal. I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

This is a very unfortunate incident on the victim, but then, there are a few corrections you need to make, offline casinos are different from betting agents, betting agents are just individual persons that the sports book gave licenses to operate in areas where the sports book company can't reach or operate in.
so, in this case, we can't really say that the victim placed his bet on the really offline casino, but rather, he used the services of an offline betting agent.

Though on the other hand, I still understand the message you are trying to pass, and I still see it as valid, because the same bet the victim placed offline, he or she could have also placed the same bet online, and if he had placed that bet online and won, there wouldn't have been any case of another user withdrawing his winning, or a betting agent trying to steal from him.

Anyways, this is just one one those things, betting online have always been better than betting offline, because, in online betting, you don't just enjoy privacy, but you also enjoy security of your funds since it's only you who manages your account, and there are no issues like lost tickets, or torn or worn out tickets.

[Hispo]

It sounds strange for me. I use bank cards for gambling all time i`m in the gambling. In such situation the agent can only match that you win. He don`t work with the money and can`t steal it.
PS. It is small enough sum, as for me. The agent can get big problems and lose his job for it. I don`t sure that he would get profit as the result of this steal.

Sure it sounds weird, but there could be some sense behind of it. Perhaps, we are talking about a gambling company which works within a model of franchises, in which each betting store is operated in a autonomous way by each agent, who happens to be the owner of the place as well. Probably, the owner of this specific betting place has some of his own money as bankroll of the business to continue to operate, thrus why he did not want to pay that bettor the money which was rightfully of his property.
Regardless of what happened, this is the kind of situation which shows when a betting house or casino is not to be trusted by the general public.

It is possible situation. But it only shows that we can`t believe such bookies/casinos, and bank card can`t help in such situation. It means only that we must choose seriously the place where we bet. As we see, the best way would be to avoid small local casinos or different franchises casinos. Big bookie will care about his reputation and avoid such situations.

Sure, I agree with you in that matter. A big, reputable casino or sport book with a long track record will certainly care if people started to question for legitimacy because they decided not to pay some money to a winner.
Though, we should also keep in mind the implications of centralized systems in the long term when comes to betting and gambling, there will be people within this community who may not feel completely comfortable with fully centralized bookies, perhaps that is why there is a niche market for so-called decentralized casinos and betting webpages.

Even though those big casinos have ended up proving their reliability several times in the past, the extreme centralization and the fact there is a KYC system to co only with, could turn some gamblers away from some platforms. It is not my case, but I am sure it happens more than once.

[traderethereum]

Although the events may not have been the same as those in online casinos, the result of this incident was that the winner couldn't get his money and could only be sad.
Greed will come to everyone, and only those who are able to get rid of it will not get into trouble. We don't know how the other person managed to withdraw the winnings from the winner, but it is possible that he stole the ticket and handed it over to his agent.
Or the agent may not want to hand over the winnings. However, because this problem occurs in real life, the winner can complain to the regulator so that the agent will pay out the winnings.

[EarnOnVictor]

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Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

The $13,500 is a whole lot of money, so the money must be out by force. Well, this is not the first time that gambling agents have tried to play smart on the customers, but this is not a difficult case, police involvement is key. The first thing they will ask the guy is the ticket with the right winning number. If truly another person has come to claim it with the same ticket, it will be seen by all.

I don't think the ticket can be doctored, if it can, the fraud in this regard would have been rampant. But because it can't be doctored, the fraud is less and is often perpetrated by gambling agents. In most cases as well, the physical gambling outlet is merely a franchise, and despite that the main company exist, there will be the owner of the franchised outlet who would also employ operators. This is why the case is somehow difficult at times, regardless, this is not the first time agents would deny money but the money was later released.

At times, the fault could be from the owner of the franchised outlet, and at times too, it can be the employee(s). But when this is becoming persistent, I see no reason why the head office should not close the outlet down. It is soiling their name.

[SmartGold01]

This type of issue as been brought up before on this which is also about a Nigerian. But the person won in court as the betting agent assistant wanted to scam him and the betting agent shop owner was not around.

Most of those people (agent staffs) who never seen money before always act like this and its very wrong of them to have this mentality to always try to cheat and scam people their winnings, sometimes there have been numerous cases like that when look across the gambling site opposite where we are living and you began to hear all manner of stories, calling of police and fighting all the time due to winnings and the rest issues.
 
At this point don't you think online gambling is the best? Since this is a common problems associated with local betting shops which some agents is representing even as that they always try to tarnished the image of the gambling site by not paying people with what they win.

[Wapfika]

This type of issue as been brought up before on this which is also about a Nigerian. But the person won in court as the betting agent assistant wanted to scam him and the betting agent shop owner was not around.

Most of those people (agent staffs) who never seen money before always act like this and its very wrong of them to have this mentality to always try to cheat and scam people their winnings, sometimes there have been numerous cases like that when look across the gambling site opposite where we are living and you began to hear all manner of stories, calling of police and fighting all the time due to winnings and the rest issues.

This is the main reason why a license is required in able to work on this kind of work since huge money is involved while hiring someone randomly will surely result to this incident especially if poverty is high on that particular area which the fraud occur. People can be easily tempted by huge money especially if they knew that they can run the money without facing immediate legal action.

At this point don't you think online gambling is the best? Since this is a common problems associated with local betting shops which some agents is representing even as that they always try to tarnished the image of the gambling site by not paying people with what they win.

It’s same, there’s some casino that scam their users after winning big amount. I said that it’s same since this issue is just an isolated case same with online casino.

[redsun114]

This should be a good fact to use when comparing online and offline casino. You see, these human betting agents can sometimes be funny. How does one explain that a total stranger came withdrawing the wins of another person, In the first place, how did the person know that somebody had won such an amount of money? If not for the agent who is privy to such information, who else except the winners knows that? As it is an offline bet, anything can happen due to the safety of such information. Who else except the winners knows that?

As it is an offline bet, anything can happen as the safety of the players and winners is not guaranteed, but the online casino is very much safer and better because only the gambler has their details and logins, and no one would interfere with their privacy, not even the customer care, until they make a complaint for help, which is when their account is looked into. Looking at this scenario, one would quickly say that the online casino is far more secured than the offline casino.

This definitely makes a strong case for the convenience and security of online gambling platforms, where transactions are digital and can be more easily tracked and verified. Online platforms often have robust systems in place to ensure that winnings are paid out directly to the account holder, reducing the chances of disputes or fraud.

Online in general is indeed more convenient, knowing one has at least some basic knowledge with it but specifically there are faulty platforms which can cause inconvenience to us. Same goes with the security. We think we are secure because it was only online anyway but what about those hackings and the likes that we heard here from time to time especially on those fields where money is already involved?

When it comes to tracking and verification, I wouldn't deny that online can win here. There are disputes and fraud before on online transactions and it was still carried in crypto via double spending but we are now in the future already so cases like this are now minimized.

[Odusko]

That is why it's important to always have an online betting account because most of this offline shop agents are very mischievous, greedy and dishonest. Not only in this particular case you have Sheard but has been happening for long now in different ways. Sometimes after winning a game the gambling agent will take some commission from you won game without your permission. Sometimes if you are not careful to cross check your won ticket and the amount given to you, you may be short payed . This has led to many controversies between Gamblers and shop agents. I personally don't fancy gambling offline because of this type of scenerio. if I want to gamble, I gamble online because it is fast, easy and convenient and has a highly level of privacy and security compeard to offline.

There is not comperism between physical and online casinos, because the online version have alot of features that makes them most preferred by gambler's compared to the physical casino's, and also when you talk about some other things that comes with personal security and privacy, online casinos gives you the sure privacy unless for the data you give out during KYC verification.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Online in general is indeed more convenient, knowing one has at least some basic knowledge with it but specifically there are faulty platforms which can cause inconvenience to us. Same goes with the security. We think we are secure because it was only online anyway but what about those hackings and the likes that we heard here from time to time especially on those fields where money is already involved?

When it comes to tracking and verification, I wouldn't deny that online can win here. There are disputes and fraud before on online transactions and it was still carried in crypto via double spending but we are now in the future already so cases like this are now minimized.

Well in canot to the hacks that you talk about online casinos, well they can happen and it is a reality that things are ready for that, but the security of a casino intensifies every day, that is what casino owners do, in I have always thought about something in the business, when we look for more ways to spend money and physical casinos can also be robbed in millions, perhaps in hacks or perhaps with a big robbery, so they must have good security, the only thing A good difference between physical casinos and online casinos is the KYC, where there is no KYC, I think that many people have the world at their feet, because in the physical casino the money is instantaneous and as you can see, now in the online one , In casinos it is difficult with KYC where they can track absolutely everything, for me that is a notable difference compared to physical casinos.

[fikrett]

The popularity of online gambling platform have been on the increase for a while now thereby creating several arguments between them and the  physical outlets in terms of which is the best. There was an incidence I saw on twitter this money that made me decide to create this post so anyone who is bent on using physical shops should be cautious.

According to the tweet and the victim narration, he bet the game in a physical shop and won N16,700,000 (~$13,500) but the agent of the shop refused to pay him even after the betting company from their head office instructed him to pay. Not that the company did not pay the agent, they paid but the agent refused to pay him saying that someone else have come to withdraw the money. He approached the court only to get N3,000,000( $2,400) out of the total winning and was asked to go and look for the people that withdrew that money. Normally, when there is winning, the only way to withdraw is to tender the ticket to the agents who will take the ticket before paying the winning. So I do not know how someone will withdraw the winning of another and what the person used to make the withdrawal. I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

This story is indeed cautionary. However, it's important to note that this doesn't necessarily reflect the behavior of all such establishments. Issues of dishonesty can arise in any industry, not just gambling. It sounds like greed played a big role in this situation, but thankfully, there was some accountability in the end. While the resolution wasn't ideal

[dothebeats]

This doesn't only happen on physical casinos. There are online casinos that also require agents before a player can sign up and start betting. Basically any platform that requires an agent to start playing is prone to this kind of activity, so it's best to be weary against such platforms when you're looking to gamble. Though in most cases, online casino platforms tend to not really require agents and there are only few exceptions to this.

It's an incredible story that unfortunately seems like a real scam...I don't know how it works legal system in your country but this not seems a quick solution.
Also seeing the figure/amount spends, unfortunately it is not a small thing to lose such an amount and anyone would be angry

It's actually a quick solution no matter which way you put it, but certainly not a justifiable one especially in favor of the gambler who rightfully won the winning.

A similar case happened in Italy, but here the shopkeeper actually stole a winning ticket and then try cashed it himself
Meanwhile he was famous at nation level, and he doesn't was able to cashout

It's possible that they got this story publicized, although people would certainly have any other things to worry about and may have forgotten about this issue faster than expected.

[Stepstowealth]

This story is indeed cautionary. However, it's important to note that this doesn't necessarily reflect the behavior of all such establishments.

This is a good reason why just as you are careful of the where to gamble online, there also has to be care taken to make sure that you as a gambler do not go gambling in a physical casino that has such bad behaviors.

Issues of dishonesty can arise in any industry, not just gambling.

There can be quick criticism to people who are in the gambling industry and show attributes of dishonesty. Dishonesty is not special to gamblers, but because some people have a bad view on gambling and gamblers in general, they make dishonesty look peculiar to gamblers alone, that is a lie.

[Orpichukwu]

It was very sad to hear such an incident. Unfortunately, some agents prioritize their greed over winning their customers fairly. I think online platforms are better than physical gambling. It has a history of every transaction and there is less risk involved.

I think differently about this. The online gambling platform doesn't seem very secure compared to the traditional gambling methods, which have offices and agents representing them.
 
Most of those online casinos you are seeing don't even have a physical office, so if you have any problem or issue, there is no place to report it other than waiting for them to reply to your complaint.
 
But aside from all these agents who are looking for ways to milk gamblers, it's hard to see them run with your money. I didn't say it's not possible, but it's hard compared to the way most new online casinos just run and stop paying winnings.

[mak013]

It is possible situation. But it only shows that we can`t believe such bookies/casinos, and bank card can`t help in such situation. It means only that we must choose seriously the place where we bet. As we see, the best way would be to avoid small local casinos or different franchises casinos. Big bookie will care about his reputation and avoid such situations.

Sure, I agree with you in that matter. A big, reputable casino or sport book with a long track record will certainly care if people started to question for legitimacy because they decided not to pay some money to a winner.
Though, we should also keep in mind the implications of centralized systems in the long term when comes to betting and gambling, there will be people within this community who may not feel completely comfortable with fully centralized bookies, perhaps that is why there is a niche market for so-called decentralized casinos and betting webpages.

Even though those big casinos have ended up proving their reliability several times in the past, the extreme centralization and the fact there is a KYC system to co only with, could turn some gamblers away from some platforms. It is not my case, but I am sure it happens more than once.

Yeah, i see it often enough. I don`t understand why users are so afraid of KYC, but it is their choice and i can`t and mustn`t make them change it. If we use big casino we mostly protected from the main part of risks and i think that it is normally to KYC - it is fair price for your safety.

[Z390]

The popularity of online gambling platform have been on the increase for a while now thereby creating several arguments between them and the  physical outlets in terms of which is the best. There was an incidence I saw on twitter this money that made me decide to create this post so anyone who is bent on using physical shops should be cautious.

According to the tweet and the victim narration, he bet the game in a physical shop and won N16,700,000 (~$13,500) but the agent of the shop refused to pay him even after the betting company from their head office instructed him to pay. Not that the company did not pay the agent, they paid but the agent refused to pay him saying that someone else have come to withdraw the money. He approached the court only to get N3,000,000( $2,400) out of the total winning and was asked to go and look for the people that withdrew that money. Normally, when there is winning, the only way to withdraw is to tender the ticket to the agents who will take the ticket before paying the winning. So I do not know how someone will withdraw the winning of another and what the person used to make the withdrawal. I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

This is not a casino, its a sport bet outlet, and I have heard a lot of similar stories before, just like you are guessing, I believe that those people working in the located betting outlet are the ones playing the winner, he should count himself lucky, this can lead to a murder if the agents feel the need necessary.

May God deliver us from evil, the reason why I am not a target for bad people is because no one knows my worth, I am sitting on a good amount of money that someone very bad would definitely kill for, but since I don't look like I worth that much I always move around with no problems.

This will serve as a lesson for those who like located sport bets outlets than placing bets online, the disadvantage is more than gambling online with ease of mind, this can't happen online because the casino will ask for your KYC.

As for those who hated KYC, if this happens on a non KYC website for gambling how do you think this problem will be solved?

[samuraijin]

Their main goal is the same, namely money, there is no other goal from year to year where there is no advanced technology, whether there is fraud or not, there will always be no such thing as no fraud, all aim at how they make money from gambling, whether it is physical or non-physical, so  It's not surprising that so many people out there are affected by this, whether physically or online, so in conclusion, playing according to your expectations is not excessive in playing.