More revelations on the challenges of physical casinos

[Maus0728]

The case that you mentioned is weird as hell op since simple CCTV footage would have solved the entire situation then and there itself. If they didn't have CCTVs, they are not reliable at all in my opinion.

Also, both physical and digital casinos have their own set of pros and cons which is why it all comes to individual preference at the end of the day.

Exactly, and it's weird that a casino doesn't have that as part of their security in there, you would think that they don't want other people to be messing with them so they want to make sure that they can see what everyone's doing right? That's a bit on the incompetent on their side. If travelling all over the world is a thing that every human has a right, card counters and gambling cheaters would be flocking in that casino because no one's going to make them prove that they're in fact  cheating there.

As much as we all like to praise online gambling, the convenience that it gave led us to more people getting introduced to gambling, people that you don't want to be gambling in the first place because you know that they're going to be addicted, at least in a physical casino, you have the limitations that not others can enter or access them easily but now, even those with as low as $10 can gamble away their money at the comfort of their own home.

[EarnOnVictor]

. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Its sadden that land based sport betting sites agents will continue to give a bad reputation to land base gambling companies who without delay had always paid customers their won cash immediately their bet ticket is approved. However these pattern of scam is not peculiar to land based casinos or sport betting shops alone but similar to online gambling sites too.

For me I think as long as traditional casinos can operate on daily basis and make bi players play on their edge, then they could still last. I believe the lesson in here is to really, only play with reliable casinos where they have verified payouts from their previous participants. In terms of online gambling, be aware of hidden rules and the activeness of customer service for any problem. And for traditional casinos, my biggest concern was always been my security. There's no point if I won a lot but I can't et out alive right?

For me, the offline and online casinos contest is not the issue here but the sincerity of the operators of the casinos. Even in what the OP narrated, it shows that the casino is operating online as well but has an agent which I believe is a franchisement agreement. This doesn't stop anyone from betting on their online platforms as well if need be, so it is about our choice and I have many of them in my country. But sadly, it is the fault of the agent in this situation but it could be the fault of the casino company itself in other situations, it doesn't matter. We often read about casino fraud and cheating which is directly linked to the company itself on a daily basis so there is no peculiarity here.

However, we should carefully study and research about where we play, and the person who wants to bet on the games that will earn big cash out should carefully know where to do that to avoid issues like this. If the casino agents are not the big ones, they could be greedy, and it could be worse in the situation where you win more money which could buy their structure and the equipment many times over, they could disappear due to this. Also, it is good to gamble with casinos that have big and good names, by doing that, you will unlikely be swindled by the company itself if you are dealing with them directly.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

The case that you mentioned is weird as hell op since simple CCTV footage would have solved the entire situation then and there itself. If they didn't have CCTVs, they are not reliable at all in my opinion.

Also, both physical and digital casinos have their own set of pros and cons which is why it all comes to individual preference at the end of the day.

Exactly, and it's weird that a casino doesn't have that as part of their security in there, you would think that they don't want other people to be messing with them so they want to make sure that they can see what everyone's doing right? That's a bit on the incompetent on their side. If travelling all over the world is a thing that every human has a right, card counters and gambling cheaters would be flocking in that casino because no one's going to make them prove that they're in fact  cheating there.

Before you guys talk and blame the casino for not installing cctv cameras as a security measure, I think it's fairer to first find out how big this casino in question is, or worst of all, it could be a betting shop that is managed by a betting agent, which means it's not actually a casino we are talking about, but just a mere betting shop.
Now I am not saying that betting shops don't deserve to have a cctv camera either, but just like the casino, it depends on how big the shop is, you may not want to be spending at supposed huge amount putting up a cctv camera in a shop that is only accessed by 10 to 15 people perday, or worst, smaller number.

So, in the nutshell, having such security measures in places in betting shops and casinos are very good for obvious reason, but not when the shop or casino is not generating enough to fund such project and also maintain it, for a big shop or casino that can afford it due to the size of their business, it's very alright and important to have such security outfit, as it's also to the advantage of the business in the long run.

[Shamm]

. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Its sadden that land based sport betting sites agents will continue to give a bad reputation to land base gambling companies who without delay had always paid customers their won cash immediately their bet ticket is approved. However these pattern of scam is not peculiar to land based casinos or sport betting shops alone but similar to online gambling sites too.

For me I think as long as traditional casinos can operate on daily basis and make bi players play on their edge, then they could still last. I believe the lesson in here is to really, only play with reliable casinos where they have verified payouts from their previous participants. In terms of online gambling, be aware of hidden rules and the activeness of customer service for any problem. And for traditional casinos, my biggest concern was always been my security. There's no point if I won a lot but I can't et out alive right?

For me, the offline and online casinos contest is not the issue here but the sincerity of the operators of the casinos. Even in what the OP narrated, it shows that the casino is operating online as well but has an agent which I believe is a franchisement agreement. This doesn't stop anyone from betting on their online platforms as well if need be, so it is about our choice and I have many of them in my country. But sadly, it is the fault of the agent in this situation but it could be the fault of the casino company itself in other situations, it doesn't matter. We often read about casino fraud and cheating which is directly linked to the company itself on a daily basis so there is no peculiarity here.

However, we should carefully study and research about where we play, and the person who wants to bet on the games that will earn big cash out should carefully know where to do that to avoid issues like this. If the casino agents are not the big ones, they could be greedy, and it could be worse in the situation where you win more money which could buy their structure and the equipment many times over, they could disappear due to this. Also, it is good to gamble with casinos that have big and good names, by doing that, you will unlikely be swindled by the company itself if you are dealing with them directly.

Agree with you mates the every casino matters on the behavior of the operator not the casino itself cause when the operator or the owner is not good then the casino will become not good. But the operator/owner is good enough and have a good handling on business then the casino will run forever. But ok reality it will depends on us gamblers cause we have the decision if we gonna play on that casino or not so it's better to do our own research and use some of our time to discover the ability and all about the casino.

[alastantiger]

So, in the nutshell, having such security measures in places in betting shops and casinos are very good for obvious reason, but not when the shop or casino is not generating enough to fund such project and also maintain it, for a big shop or casino that can afford it due to the size of their business, it's very alright and important to have such security outfit, as it's also to the advantage of the business in the long run.

I am not a business person but from the little I know about it is that there are some businesses for example this physical bet shop where your staff need to be micro managed. They will need to dot their "i's" and cross their "t's". That is the kind of management that is required of the business owner. Micromanaging involves installing a cctv camera in your shop bet shop and let your staff be aware of it but make to put in their best. This is what I think.

[Mrbluntzy]

This kind of thing not possible at all, those gambling tickets usually have its unique codes that will be used to differentiate the gamble ticket of one gambler from another. If for example I also played that same game that the victim played, the tickets will not have the same number and the time of staking the game may even be different from both of us because the man may stake his game before me which could be one hour earlier or some minutes earlier while I may stake my own game later. The casino attendant should make sure he provides every of that money or let the victim be strictly investigated on because he must have give someone the ticket to come and claim the money and later he will still come and reclaim the money again.

The reason why I believe that this kind of thing is not even possible is because, if for example I win a game in a betting shop and I come there with my ticket to claim my money, after they pay me the money, they will retrieve the ticket from me, so that no other person will return to the shop with that same ticket.  Let the shop attendant provide all that money.

[bitcampaign]

The case that you mentioned is weird as hell op since simple CCTV footage would have solved the entire situation then and there itself. If they didn't have CCTVs, they are not reliable at all in my opinion.

Also, both physical and digital casinos have their own set of pros and cons which is why it all comes to individual preference at the end of the day.

Exactly, and it's weird that a casino doesn't have that as part of their security in there, you would think that they don't want other people to be messing with them so they want to make sure that they can see what everyone's doing right? That's a bit on the incompetent on their side. If travelling all over the world is a thing that every human has a right, card counters and gambling cheaters would be flocking in that casino because no one's going to make them prove that they're in fact  cheating there.

As much as we all like to praise online gambling, the convenience that it gave led us to more people getting introduced to gambling, people that you don't want to be gambling in the first place because you know that they're going to be addicted, at least in a physical casino, you have the limitations that not others can enter or access them easily but now, even those with as low as $10 can gamble away their money at the comfort of their own home.

Anyone can access online gambling, even if they are underage, they can play there. The advantages and disadvantages of physical gambling include limits on the amount of money carried and the age of the player becomes an obstacle for each player, but as time goes by, physical gambling is just a home game to fill the void. when someone or playing with relatives, but the context is different if you play online gambling, usually the players will have fun according to their hobbies, so in my opinion physical gambling has been left behind by the digital era.

[Findingnemo]

Actually casinos won't have such problems at all, apart from they will throw you out when you keep winning in poker or any game because they assume you're doing things like counting cards or some tricks to best the odds which is uncommon though. What you said in OP more like a shop that has feature to bet on games, but it's preferable to always pick the place where everything is automated whether it's physical or online casino.

[Accardo]

So, in the nutshell, having such security measures in places in betting shops and casinos are very good for obvious reason, but not when the shop or casino is not generating enough to fund such project and also maintain it, for a big shop or casino that can afford it due to the size of their business, it's very alright and important to have such security outfit, as it's also to the advantage of the business in the long run.

I am not a business person but from the little I know about it is that there are some businesses for example this physical bet shop where your staff need to be micro managed. They will need to dot their "i's" and cross their "t's". That is the kind of management that is required of the business owner. Micromanaging involves installing a cctv camera in your shop bet shop and let your staff be aware of it but make to put in their best. This is what I think.

The agent who seized or claimed the money could be the owner of the place. Agents are not employees of the shop, some owners run it themselves alongside his staff. Because the shops get opened with the owner's account not the employee. Hence in this context, the company sent the funds directly to the official account for the agent in charge of the shop; the owner. The company can't monitor their agents across the nation. So, the trouble of going to such places should be avoided.

If the player gambled directly with the official site and didn't go to shops where his payment is controlled by agents, he wouldn't have been visiting courts. Most players who gamble in such places have gadgets to wager online but don't prefer using their phone. Don't know if they're also addicted to visiting those shops. However, whatever it is the agent did he is not right. How come somebody else with a different slip number withdraw another player's fund. Have not heard of such mistakes, his hands seem to be on the money, if he was able to easily give away some funds to the owner.

[Yatsan]

Not a representation to all land based casinos and gambling providers but I am more disappointed that they did not take responsibility of their agent whether it is a huge or small amount. Proofs should be presented that more than half was withrawn already and also, it would be the agent and provider's fault if they gave it to the wrong person since verification should be a priority on their end. Actually it is hard to believe that this really happened to someone. Winning is not something that will happen on a daily basis and I symphatize the winner on this instance if ever this thing's true. The provider should be the one dealing with the mistake their agent did and to conduct thorough investigation on this one to avoid its occurence again.

[Kavelj22]

People need to stop playing bets anywhere they see available, what is the use of getting robbed after many failed attempts to get lucky when gambling, it is not easy, always do your research about a gambling location before using them, unfortunately you can't escape this if you prefer offline betting over online, this is one of its disadvantages.

Bet agents are humans, they are not programmed like a robot or bots to process your wining fund straight away after you win, they have human minds and it's most time more uglier than any living thing in the world, if what you win is much they can plan to cheat or rob you, they can even plan to take your life, be very careful.

I choose online gambling because I don't want to be monitored, no one will see many as a gambler and if I get lucky no one will know that I just won a big amount of money, it will be a secret between the casino and I only.

I agree with you that real casinos are not the best place that any gambler can use to make profits, since the risk may include physical safety, given that the casino will not allow any user to make profits that may affect direct returns. This explains two things:
- The patrons of these casinos are often wealthy people who have authoritarian influence, such that it is difficult to deal with them in any barbaric manner. They are also the preferred customers of these casinos since it will not affect their balance budgets to lose indefinitely.
- The rise of the position of online casinos because ordinary users will feel more secure despite losing part of their privacy.

[Dunamisx]

If having fun has no challenges then i don't think we should also be having issues with he way we gamble, except if we are not doing the appropriate thing needed of us to do when gambling, same as well is being applicable for us to know our rights in gambling because if we don't, anyone can take advantage on them against us, we must by now have a full idea about what we are doing when it comes to gambling.

[Nwada001]

In gambling greedy and scammers are rampant and this is why we must be always aware and try to choose more legit and trustworthy people to put on our money and bets because in the end we will suffer hardly like what happened here.
and the sad part is that the agent even creating story that there is already someone claims the winning? that is the stupidest thing he can deliver.

It's really not about trusted casinos in this case. You can still gamble on a trusted and highly rated gambling platform and still get scammed by their agent.
 
Like what was just explained on the OP, the gambler did gamble with a casino that has a reputation in that country, but the shop operator who works as the agent was the scammer in the picture, who tries to rob the person of his own winnings. It can happen to anyone as long as you gamble in a physical gambling shop.

[Marvell1]

People need to stop playing bets anywhere they see available, what is the use of getting robbed after many failed attempts to get lucky when gambling, it is not easy, always do your research about a gambling location before using them, unfortunately you can't escape this if you prefer offline betting over online, this is one of its disadvantages.

Bet agents are humans, they are not programmed like a robot or bots to process your wining fund straight away after you win, they have human minds and it's most time more uglier than any living thing in the world, if what you win is much they can plan to cheat or rob you, they can even plan to take your life, be very careful.

I choose online gambling because I don't want to be monitored, no one will see many as a gambler and if I get lucky no one will know that I just won a big amount of money, it will be a secret between the casino and I only.

I agree that offline gambling is more risky even though it will bring us more exciting emotions. In addition to us being followed by others or being played foul if we win against them, there is also a bigger risk that is related to the law. Many countries around the world still ban gambling gatherings because it disrupts social order and security.
Online gambling will be a better choice but we also need to note that it will also have risks, and is not completely safe as we think. So always consider and evaluate carefully before participating in any online gambling platform, not all gambling platforms are fair and transparent.

[bitterguy28]

The case that you mentioned is weird as hell op since simple CCTV footage would have solved the entire situation then and there itself. If they didn't have CCTVs, they are not reliable at all in my opinion.

Also, both physical and digital casinos have their own set of pros and cons which is why it all comes to individual preference at the end of the day.

Exactly, and it's weird that a casino doesn't have that as part of their security in there, you would think that they don't want other people to be messing with them so they want to make sure that they can see what everyone's doing right? That's a bit on the incompetent on their side. If travelling all over the world is a thing that every human has a right, card counters and gambling cheaters would be flocking in that casino because no one's going to make them prove that they're in fact  cheating there.

As much as we all like to praise online gambling, the convenience that it gave led us to more people getting introduced to gambling, people that you don't want to be gambling in the first place because you know that they're going to be addicted, at least in a physical casino, you have the limitations that not others can enter or access them easily but now, even those with as low as $10 can gamble away their money at the comfort of their own home.

Anyone can access online gambling, even if they are underage, they can play there. The advantages and disadvantages of physical gambling include limits on the amount of money carried and the age of the player becomes an obstacle for each player, but as time goes by, physical gambling is just a home game to fill the void. when someone or playing with relatives, but the context is different if you play online gambling, usually the players will have fun according to their hobbies, so in my opinion physical gambling has been left behind by the digital era.

wrong ,  yeah underage can access the casino but they cannot play in it unless there is a registered name(in right age) that can be use on that account so this is the problem for that underage .
we have all our preferences in gambling , some loves online why many are still loving to play Physical casino.

[EarnOnVictor]

The case that you mentioned is weird as hell op since simple CCTV footage would have solved the entire situation then and there itself. If they didn't have CCTVs, they are not reliable at all in my opinion.

Also, both physical and digital casinos have their own set of pros and cons which is why it all comes to individual preference at the end of the day.

Exactly, and it's weird that a casino doesn't have that as part of their security in there, you would think that they don't want other people to be messing with them so they want to make sure that they can see what everyone's doing right? That's a bit on the incompetent on their side. If travelling all over the world is a thing that every human has a right, card counters and gambling cheaters would be flocking in that casino because no one's going to make them prove that they're in fact  cheating there.

As much as we all like to praise online gambling, the convenience that it gave led us to more people getting introduced to gambling, people that you don't want to be gambling in the first place because you know that they're going to be addicted, at least in a physical casino, you have the limitations that not others can enter or access them easily but now, even those with as low as $10 can gamble away their money at the comfort of their own home.

Anyone can access online gambling, even if they are underage, they can play there. The advantages and disadvantages of physical gambling include limits on the amount of money carried and the age of the player becomes an obstacle for each player, but as time goes by, physical gambling is just a home game to fill the void. when someone or playing with relatives, but the context is different if you play online gambling, usually the players will have fun according to their hobbies, so in my opinion physical gambling has been left behind by the digital era.

wrong ,  yeah underage can access the casino but they cannot play in it unless there is a registered name(in right age) that can be use on that account so this is the problem for that underage .
we have all our preferences in gambling , some loves online why many are still loving to play Physical casino.

Do not take your stance so rigidly my friend, if it were to be a physical casino that is well-established and not a franchise in which they partner with an operator/agent, then what you insinuated could be true. If not, then underage are still playing, though it depends on the country as well. In my country, they are playing it real good, to the point that their parents or an older person will send them betting prediction messages in written notes for the agents/operators to play it for them and bring back the ticket for them. With this, do you think the children can't play it directly by themselves in the pretence that someone sent them? Even secondary school students with the ages between 12 and 16 are known for such a thing even as the government turns a blind eye to it.

Although such an activity may not be popular with the government, nevertheless, if the system is working and casinos are well-regulated where heavy arrests and a heavy sanction could be meted out to those people disobeying the law, they will not dare do it again. Also, the no-KYC casinos and those casinos that will allow you to register and start betting and withdraw before KYC are causing issues for the interested underage as they can start betting with a fake age registered until the casinos ask them for the KYC which in some cases could take years. Again, many local casinos in my country will not ask for anything at all since you are a native of the country or have provided what we call BVN or NIN or both. What if an underage provided the one of the parents or an older friend or relative's own? These are lapses to be candid. 

[LUCKMCFLY]

The case that you mentioned is weird as hell op since simple CCTV footage would have solved the entire situation then and there itself. If they didn't have CCTVs, they are not reliable at all in my opinion.

Also, both physical and digital casinos have their own set of pros and cons which is why it all comes to individual preference at the end of the day.

Exactly, and it's weird that a casino doesn't have that as part of their security in there, you would think that they don't want other people to be messing with them so they want to make sure that they can see what everyone's doing right? That's a bit on the incompetent on their side. If travelling all over the world is a thing that every human has a right, card counters and gambling cheaters would be flocking in that casino because no one's going to make them prove that they're in fact  cheating there.

As much as we all like to praise online gambling, the convenience that it gave led us to more people getting introduced to gambling, people that you don't want to be gambling in the first place because you know that they're going to be addicted, at least in a physical casino, you have the limitations that not others can enter or access them easily but now, even those with as low as $10 can gamble away their money at the comfort of their own home.

Anyone can access online gambling, even if they are underage, they can play there. The advantages and disadvantages of physical gambling include limits on the amount of money carried and the age of the player becomes an obstacle for each player, but as time goes by, physical gambling is just a home game to fill the void. when someone or playing with relatives, but the context is different if you play online gambling, usually the players will have fun according to their hobbies, so in my opinion physical gambling has been left behind by the digital era.

wrong ,  yeah underage can access the casino but they cannot play in it unless there is a registered name(in right age) that can be use on that account so this is the problem for that underage .
we have all our preferences in gambling , some loves online why many are still loving to play Physical casino.

You're right about that, the first time I entered the casino it was with some neighbors who took me and it's true, I entered with the condition of not playing, but once inside I did play, of course I didn't. I played a lot because at that moment I was very afraid and I didn't Spend a lot of money, where I played the most was bingo, but I didn't win anything and that was very difficult because they said the numbers quickly and only the numbers. At that time I was used to playing but with the letter and the number, but it was a good experience. At that time I was 16 years old, and of course the entrance has always been for adults and that is a reality, everywhere in the world. People are considered to be of legal age at 18 years of age, except for some countries that are considered to be 18 years of age or older from 21 years of age.

[bitterguy28]

The case that you mentioned is weird as hell op since simple CCTV footage would have solved the entire situation then and there itself. If they didn't have CCTVs, they are not reliable at all in my opinion.

Also, both physical and digital casinos have their own set of pros and cons which is why it all comes to individual preference at the end of the day.

Exactly, and it's weird that a casino doesn't have that as part of their security in there, you would think that they don't want other people to be messing with them so they want to make sure that they can see what everyone's doing right? That's a bit on the incompetent on their side. If travelling all over the world is a thing that every human has a right, card counters and gambling cheaters would be flocking in that casino because no one's going to make them prove that they're in fact  cheating there.

As much as we all like to praise online gambling, the convenience that it gave led us to more people getting introduced to gambling, people that you don't want to be gambling in the first place because you know that they're going to be addicted, at least in a physical casino, you have the limitations that not others can enter or access them easily but now, even those with as low as $10 can gamble away their money at the comfort of their own home.

Anyone can access online gambling, even if they are underage, they can play there. The advantages and disadvantages of physical gambling include limits on the amount of money carried and the age of the player becomes an obstacle for each player, but as time goes by, physical gambling is just a home game to fill the void. when someone or playing with relatives, but the context is different if you play online gambling, usually the players will have fun according to their hobbies, so in my opinion physical gambling has been left behind by the digital era.

wrong ,  yeah underage can access the casino but they cannot play in it unless there is a registered name(in right age) that can be use on that account so this is the problem for that underage .
we have all our preferences in gambling , some loves online why many are still loving to play Physical casino.

You're right about that, the first time I entered the casino it was with some neighbors who took me and it's true, I entered with the condition of not playing, but once inside I did play, of course I didn't. I played a lot because at that moment I was very afraid and I didn't Spend a lot of money, where I played the most was bingo, but I didn't win anything and that was very difficult because they said the numbers quickly and only the numbers. At that time I was used to playing but with the letter and the number, but it was a good experience. At that time I was 16 years old, and of course the entrance has always been for adults and that is a reality, everywhere in the world. People are considered to be of legal age at 18 years of age, except for some countries that are considered to be 18 years of age or older from 21 years of age.

great experience there , I also remember involving in Bingo when I was young because this is the game in our community even my relatives playing so at young age i was being in there playing with them whenever my father is at work because he hates gambling lol.

[traderethereum]

If having fun has no challenges then i don't think we should also be having issues with he way we gamble, except if we are not doing the appropriate thing needed of us to do when gambling, same as well is being applicable for us to know our rights in gambling because if we don't, anyone can take advantage on them against us, we must by now have a full idea about what we are doing when it comes to gambling.

If that have fun is about playing gambling, that will not a good idea because they can lose a lot of money insides the games. They will not have the opportunity to gets wins easily but only lose the money. They must thinks about the lose that can becomes big.
Otherwise, they will really lose that money and can regrets it when they ends their gambling sessions. But many people can realizes what they have done.
But in this case, both online and offline casino will have the challenge to proves to people that they are reliable to serves their members. On that case, the agent makes a wrong thing and refused to pay the winner.

[carlfebz2]

The popularity of online gambling platform have been on the increase for a while now thereby creating several arguments between them and the  physical outlets in terms of which is the best. There was an incidence I saw on twitter this money that made me decide to create this post so anyone who is bent on using physical shops should be cautious.

According to the tweet and the victim narration, he bet the game in a physical shop and won N16,700,000 (~$13,500) but the agent of the shop refused to pay him even after the betting company from their head office instructed him to pay. Not that the company did not pay the agent, they paid but the agent refused to pay him saying that someone else have come to withdraw the money. He approached the court only to get N3,000,000( $2,400) out of the total winning and was asked to go and look for the people that withdrew that money. Normally, when there is winning, the only way to withdraw is to tender the ticket to the agents who will take the ticket before paying the winning. So I do not know how someone will withdraw the winning of another and what the person used to make the withdrawal. I think the agent wanted to steal the entire money but due to the pressure from the court, he has to return part of it. I see this as a warning on the dangers of greedy agents in physical gambling platforms.

Source: https://twitter.com/General_Oluchi/status/1782027404027797716

One of the main reasons on why i cant just trust up any 3rd parties or really those intermediaries when it comes to this on which i would really be rather preferring on making out that direct bet rather than on putting up yourself into trusting up someone on which these kind of situations could really happen because human greed could easily kicked in specially if the said amount isnt something that they do able to
hold or handled for the rest of their lives or something that they are really that in extreme need. On the time that they've seen that they are handling out such money then the temptation is there. I dont know
on why the court had decided on just asking or giving out that 2k instead of 13k or the whole amount?  This amount might not really be that too big for some people but if you are living in a country
on which the USD value is high then we can really say that this is something significant and something that you would really be going for legal actions as much as possible.