Arizona moves to repel abortion ban but Trump could make it US wide

[paxmao]

Thanks for correcting this misinformation, the US is a top democratic government, and the definition of democracy is about the voice and wish of the people, therefore insinuating that a president will impose his personal will or religious beliefs in a country like the USA is not possible. I think that the OP is a supporter of Joe Biden, and is campaigning for him, but let's not forget that Donald Trump, was once a US president, so the American people in this forum will answer better if he had tried to push for a notional ban on abortion. I think that Americans are in a better position to choose their next president, one is the current president and the other is the former president, so let them vote who they think will serve them better as the next president.

You obviously don't understand how things work in the United States. Republicans have already made abortion illegal in many US states, and stopped all doctors nationwide from using the abortion pill for several weeks while they fought in court.

I clearly don't understand how things work in united states, and as it regards abortion laws, if Donald trump's, administration was anti abortion, the present Joe Biden, administration is pro abortion, then I think it's a good thing that we're in an election year, so let the American people vote for what they want.

I based what I said about misinformation on the report that Donald Trump, said that it's states that'll determine whether they'll allow abortions in their states or not, if he actually said that, then if any states outlaws abortion, it has nothing to do with the federal government. I think that even if abortion is banned in any states, there should be clause that'll covers rape cases.

Pro-choice. Nobody is forcing anybody to interrupt pregnancy, however some people are trying to get women to remain pregnant wheter they want it or not. Trump is not defending freedom of choice, it is exactly the opposite.

[moneystery]

i don't know why this is such a big problem in america, because in my country the issue of abortion has been discussed for a long time and it is clearly said that it is prohibited, both religiously and by state. but does that seem unfair to women who don't want the pregnancy? not really, because even so, they can abort the pregnancy with over-the-counter medicine or at a gynecologist, even though this is illegal, the government does not really emphasize this as a regulation that must be obeyed.

because from what i understand, these rules must exist as proof that the government is in line with the majority religion, but when there are citizens who violate them, then they don't need to be treated as criminals because it's up to each individual whether they want to obey the rules or not.

[BADecker]

i don't know why this is such a big problem in america, because in my country the issue of abortion has been discussed for a long time and it is clearly said that it is prohibited, both religiously and by state. but does that seem unfair to women who don't want the pregnancy? not really, because even so, they can abort the pregnancy with over-the-counter medicine or at a gynecologist, even though this is illegal, the government does not really emphasize this as a regulation that must be obeyed.

because from what i understand, these rules must exist as proof that the government is in line with the majority religion, but when there are citizens who violate them, then they don't need to be treated as criminals because it's up to each individual whether they want to obey the rules or not.

If a woman doesn't want a pregnancy, why did she get pregnant in the first place? When a woman gets pregnant, she and the man have volunteered themselves into making a family for themselves. So, is it right for a woman to kill a life because she changed her mind after the fact?

Since many men and women aren't trained by their families regarding how serious this is, the government should advertise it in a GREAT BIG WAY. Then, if the woman wants to abort, and if her man feels the same way, they should get rid of all three of them, so that they don't do it again.

Obviously, there are extenuating circumstances at times.

[Volimack]

Abortion is prohibited in many countries of the world. But these are usually depending on the will of the citizens they don't want to obey any law. Existing Arizona state law also prohibits abortion in the event of rape or involuntary manslaughter. Abortion will be permitted only if the mother's life is in danger. The law provides for two to five years in prison for assisting in an abortion.

[paxmao]

i don't know why this is such a big problem in america, because in my country the issue of abortion has been discussed for a long time and it is clearly said that it is prohibited, both religiously and by state. but does that seem unfair to women who don't want the pregnancy? not really, because even so, they can abort the pregnancy with over-the-counter medicine or at a gynecologist, even though this is illegal, the government does not really emphasize this as a regulation that must be obeyed.

because from what i understand, these rules must exist as proof that the government is in line with the majority religion, but when there are citizens who violate them, then they don't need to be treated as criminals because it's up to each individual whether they want to obey the rules or not.

If a woman doesn't want a pregnancy, why did she get pregnant in the first place? [...]
Obviously, there are extenuating circumstances at times.

Seriously                ??   I am going to keep this one for a future thread on "the best of BA".

[BADecker]

i don't know why this is such a big problem in america, because in my country the issue of abortion has been discussed for a long time and it is clearly said that it is prohibited, both religiously and by state. but does that seem unfair to women who don't want the pregnancy? not really, because even so, they can abort the pregnancy with over-the-counter medicine or at a gynecologist, even though this is illegal, the government does not really emphasize this as a regulation that must be obeyed.

because from what i understand, these rules must exist as proof that the government is in line with the majority religion, but when there are citizens who violate them, then they don't need to be treated as criminals because it's up to each individual whether they want to obey the rules or not.

If a woman doesn't want a pregnancy, why did she get pregnant in the first place? [...]
Obviously, there are extenuating circumstances at times.

Seriously                ??   I am going to keep this one for a future thread on "the best of BA".

How many blades of grass are there? How many trees? How many animals? God made all of these things to abound in numbers, quantities.

But the biggest thing God did regarding this is to make more and more people. Even with all the wars and disease and disasters, the numbers of people keep on growing.

When people wantonly kill off their children with abortion, God doesn't need them. He would rather have them change their ways, but if they won't, He will get rid of them to open up space for those who want more children.

All Trump is trying to do is protect US people from God. Trump is too late, of course. We stand at the mercy of God. Utter destruction is on the way for us because of the masses of abortions.

[legiteum]

All Trump is trying to do is protect US people from God. Trump is too late, of course. We stand at the mercy of God. Utter destruction is on the way for us because of the masses of abortions.

If that's what you think, then why especially do you care if Trump wins in November?

[darkangel11]

This is a warning of what is to come for all women in the US. Your body will no longer be yours, Trump and the Christian radicals will own it and force you to have children whether you want it or not. Even if someone rapes you, you will not be able to take a bus north to a democrat state to avoid having that children.

Guess it's back to the good old herbs that Native Americans used.

Think carefully about what you want for you and your daughters - this ends up with them finding an illegal abortion clinic trying to scratch their uterus and probably leaving them without any possibility of having children in the future. You are in time to stop the madness.

In the EU we have pills that you take a day or two after the "accident" and that's legal, but in many member states aborting a pregnancy is illegal, which in a way is smart because they're preventing women from having second thoughts while they're 6 months in. There's a difference between removing an egg, or stopping it from becoming a zygote and killing a fully developed baby. I'd allow abortion up to a time, for instance 3 months, and then ban it, unless the mother's life is in danger.

[BADecker]

All Trump is trying to do is protect US people from God. Trump is too late, of course. We stand at the mercy of God. Utter destruction is on the way for us because of the masses of abortions.

If that's what you think, then why especially do you care if Trump wins in November?

When bad people who are destined for destruction by God, turn from their evil ways for a while, God often relents regarding the destruction He is bringing on them. At least, He waits with it for a time when they turn bad again.

Since you know that you will die in a few years - or do you think you are different - why not suicide your life now, so you don't have to go through all the trouble you will be getting along the way?

[legiteum]

All Trump is trying to do is protect US people from God. Trump is too late, of course. We stand at the mercy of God. Utter destruction is on the way for us because of the masses of abortions.

If that's what you think, then why especially do you care if Trump wins in November?

When bad people who are destined for destruction by God, turn from their evil ways for a while, God often relents regarding the destruction He is bringing on them. At least, He waits with it for a time when they turn bad again.

Since you know that you will die in a few years - or do you think you are different - why not suicide your life now, so you don't have to go through all the trouble you will be getting along the way?

I'm not planning on dying in a few years, thank you very much .

So you are saying God will spare the human race if we elected Donald Trump, the guy who had relations with two different porn stars shortly before his first election.

Definitely not the God I was brought up with, that's for sure...

[BADecker]

All Trump is trying to do is protect US people from God. Trump is too late, of course. We stand at the mercy of God. Utter destruction is on the way for us because of the masses of abortions.

If that's what you think, then why especially do you care if Trump wins in November?

When bad people who are destined for destruction by God, turn from their evil ways for a while, God often relents regarding the destruction He is bringing on them. At least, He waits with it for a time when they turn bad again.

Since you know that you will die in a few years - or do you think you are different - why not suicide your life now, so you don't have to go through all the trouble you will be getting along the way?

I'm not planning on dying in a few years, thank you very much .

So you are saying God will spare the human race if we elected Donald Trump, the guy who had relations with two different porn stars shortly before his first election.

Definitely not the God I was brought up with, that's for sure...

Lol. Do you think that people who die plan to do it this way? While a few of them might, mostly they don't.

Do you have proof that Trump had illegitimate sexual relations with anybody? Were you in the bedroom viewing it all? Did Trump ever admit to it?

God might spare the US for a while, if they stop their abortions. Trump might be the guy to get the abortions stopped or at least slowed down.

[legiteum]

Do you have proof that Trump had illegitimate sexual relations with anybody? Were you in the bedroom viewing it all? Did Trump ever admit to it?

God might spare the US for a while, if they stop their abortions. Trump might be the guy to get the abortions stopped or at least slowed down.

Even you don't believe Trump is "innocent" in that regard. He actively admitted his debauchery for years, and he's proud of it.

So stopping all of the abortions in the USA--and, presumably, making sure no woman can escape the USA to have one elsewhere--will hold off God's destruction of the US for... how long exactly? Can you give a ballpark timeframe for this?

I'm a business person, so I like to look at the the ROI on stuff. The police force you are talking about creating here will be vast, and will necessarily need to crack down on every aspect of American life (including, for instance, making Bitcoin illegal). Besides the lost revenues caused by the economic disruption Trump is calling for here, this police force, and the border controls, and all of that will cost hundreds of billions of dollars.

So if you are saying, for instance, that we will only garner perhaps a few more years of existence in exchange for this much money and disruption, I don't think it's really worth it, do you?

[BADecker]

Do you have proof that Trump had illegitimate sexual relations with anybody? Were you in the bedroom viewing it all? Did Trump ever admit to it?

God might spare the US for a while, if they stop their abortions. Trump might be the guy to get the abortions stopped or at least slowed down.

Even you don't believe Trump is "innocent" in that regard. He actively admitted his debauchery for years, and he's proud of it.

So stopping all of the abortions in the USA--and, presumably, making sure no woman can escape the USA to have one elsewhere--will hold off God's destruction of the US for... how long exactly? Can you give a ballpark timeframe for this?

I'm a business person, so I like to look at the the ROI on stuff. The police force you are talking about creating here will be vast, and will necessarily need to crack down on every aspect of American life (including, for instance, making Bitcoin illegal). Besides the lost revenues caused by the economic disruption Trump is calling for here, this police force, and the border controls, and all of that will cost hundreds of billions of dollars.

So if you are saying, for instance, that we will only garner perhaps a few more years of existence in exchange for this much money and disruption, I don't think it's really worth it, do you?

Abortion is a major reason why the US will fall. The time frame is that it has started already.

No proof for Trump sex scandals, right?

All right. You are a business person. What police force are you talking about? The one that will offer the US a chance to continue without being destroyed? You don't really want that. The destruction of the US is something that will be good for the States. In other words...

We don't need the Federal US government any longer. With communication and transportation being what it is, the States can do a better job of ruling the nation than the US government can. And with a big money savings at that. So, you really want Trump in office to hold it together for you, right?

[legiteum]

All right. You are a business person. What police force are you talking about? The one that will offer the US a chance to continue without being destroyed?

Yep, that's the one. I don't want to debate your ideas about abortion or religion, I only like to point out that Trump's core voting base wants what you want and are prepared to eliminate not only Bitcoin, but the whole of the United States in order to get it.

In other words, if you want the USA to be run by people convinced the USA is going to be destroyed by God soon since we are so evil, and that absolutely any measure imaginable including making Bitcoin illegal may necessary to stop all of those abortions, then by golly you should vote for Trump.

If you like the country we are today, generally speaking, and would like international commerce and trading to continue as they have been (e.g. Bitcoin going up 500% under Biden), then... vote for Biden.

That is the choice everybody needs to make.

[BADecker]

All right. You are a business person. What police force are you talking about? The one that will offer the US a chance to continue without being destroyed?

Yep, that's the one. I don't want to debate your ideas about abortion or religion, I only like to point out that Trump's core voting base wants what you want and are prepared to eliminate not only Bitcoin, but the whole of the United States in order to get it.

In other words, if you want the USA to be run by people convinced the USA is going to be destroyed by God soon since we are so evil, and that absolutely any measure imaginable including making Bitcoin illegal may necessary to stop all of those abortions, then by golly you should vote for Trump.

If you like the country we are today, generally speaking, and would like international commerce and trading to continue as they have been (e.g. Bitcoin going up 500% under Biden), then... vote for Biden.

That is the choice everybody needs to make.

Bitcoin going up under Biden doesn't have much of anything, if anything at all, to do with Biden. The major thing it might have to do with Biden would be as a safety for the way Bidenomics has ruined the finances of the country for the average person.

Remember that Bitcoin has gone to $65,000 (or so) twice in the past, and dumped back down to under $20,000. It isn't Biden.

Trump would smooth fiat off so that the financial plague from Bidenomics would disappear. Bitcoin could easily go down from this. It wouldn't be that people wanted to destroy Bitcoin. It would be that nobody would need BTC.


As far as voting for Biden (the Biden Team), They are the ones who through Bidenomics killed millions around the world - Ukraine/Russia, Middle East, Iran, probably many more places - just to boost their own finances. Trump-onomics made success for America without killing anyone, and even with destroying some of the killing by keeping the world out of wars.


Since your point seems to be something like... "Kill off the world to keep me rich, if necessary," you are showing that you are a warmonger. So, it is understandable why you would vote for Biden.

[legiteum]

Trump would smooth fiat off so that the financial plague from Bidenomics would disappear.

What would that have to do with ending abortion in the United States? That's clearly your priority. And you've made it clear it requires Bitcoin to be banned in order to accomplish that, then you and most of Trump's core voters are absolutely fine with that.

And banning Bitcoin will be very much what it takes since millions of women have abortions every year in the USA, and stopping all of those women--and the people who help them--from getting abortions will take a HUGE law enforcement effort, the likes of which we've never seen in our country.

I'm not saying it's 100% assured that Trump will ban Bitcoin if he's elected in order to stop abortions, but there's certainly a risk of that.

And meanwhile, Bitcoin went up 500% under President Biden. The market is stable and fine. A few new regulations actually help the market because it makes it safer for average investors.

The safe bet for your Bitcoin is to avoid the fanatics and go with the proven winner, which is Biden.

[BADecker]

Trump would smooth fiat off so that the financial plague from Bidenomics would disappear.

What would that have to do with ending abortion in the United States? That's clearly your priority. And you've made it clear it requires Bitcoin to be banned in order to accomplish that, then you and most of Trump's core voters are absolutely fine with that.

And banning Bitcoin will be very much what it takes since millions of women have abortions every year in the USA, and stopping all of those women--and the people who help them--from getting abortions will take a HUGE law enforcement effort, the likes of which we've never seen in our country.

I'm not saying it's 100% assured that Trump will ban Bitcoin if he's elected in order to stop abortions, but there's certainly a risk of that.

And meanwhile, Bitcoin went up 500% under President Biden. The market is stable and fine. A few new regulations actually help the market because it makes it safer for average investors.

The safe bet for your Bitcoin is to avoid the fanatics and go with the proven winner, which is Biden.

Bidenomics approves of abortion. It's an approval of death for the whole country if they follow it. Abortion is murder, and God is against murder.

Banning Bitcoin is an individual choice. If you don't need it, why have it around? Ban yourself out of it if it isn't doing you any good.

Stopping abortion is what God will do if the people won't do it. Trump might slow down God's method by slowing abortions down... so that we all live a little longer.

The only way Trump will ban Bitcoin is by offering people a better choice in fiat. Bidenomics is destroying the better fiat way. Look at the inflation.

The Biden way is only offering destruction. How? By promoting abortions so that the country is destroyed sooner by God rather than later. If you are dead, all the Bitcoin in the world won't mean anything to you. Keep the destruction from happening. Go the Trump way... better fiat for a while, so that people survive longer. This doesn't stop or ban BTC. It leaves it up to the people.

[paxmao]

Trump would smooth fiat off so that the financial plague from Bidenomics would disappear.

What would that have to do with ending abortion in the United States? That's clearly your priority. And you've made it clear it requires Bitcoin to be banned in order to accomplish that, then you and most of Trump's core voters are absolutely fine with that.

And banning Bitcoin will be very much what it takes since millions of women have abortions every year in the USA, and stopping all of those women--and the people who help them--from getting abortions will take a HUGE law enforcement effort, the likes of which we've never seen in our country.

I'm not saying it's 100% assured that Trump will ban Bitcoin if he's elected in order to stop abortions, but there's certainly a risk of that.

And meanwhile, Bitcoin went up 500% under President Biden. The market is stable and fine. A few new regulations actually help the market because it makes it safer for average investors.

The safe bet for your Bitcoin is to avoid the fanatics and go with the proven winner, which is Biden.

Bidenomics approves of abortion. It's an approval of death for the whole country if they follow it. Abortion is murder, and God is against murder.

Banning Bitcoin is an individual choice. If you don't need it, why have it around? Ban yourself out of it if it isn't doing you any good.

Stopping abortion is what God will do if the people won't do it. Trump might slow down God's method by slowing abortions down... so that we all live a little longer.

The only way Trump will ban Bitcoin is by offering people a better choice in fiat. Bidenomics is destroying the better fiat way. Look at the inflation.

The Biden way is only offering destruction. How? By promoting abortions so that the country is destroyed sooner by God rather than later. If you are dead, all the Bitcoin in the world won't mean anything to you. Keep the destruction from happening. Go the Trump way... better fiat for a while, so that people survive longer. This doesn't stop or ban BTC. It leaves it up to the people.

You do not get to speak in the name of God, she is far to busy to kick your but, but do not abuse it.

It has never been "pro-abortion" it is pro-choice. You can follow your beliefs, but you keep them out of other's peoples uterus and genitals.

There are a number of studies that link ban on abortion and crime. Basically you are creating inmates.

Biden economy has created work and salary increases all over the US.

[Hispo]

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There are a number of studies that link ban on abortion and crime. Basically you are creating inmates.

Biden economy has created work and salary increases all over the US.

It would seem to me it is mainly because of the endless story of couples and marriages which have children who they are incapable of raising properly and economically sustain in the long term. in those conditions, it is easy to see how a children slowly losses his innocence and turn into a criminal as soon as reaches the age of adulthood.
To me, the issue goes beyond the topic of abortion, the government and the schools should make sexual education more widespread and break the taboo associated to it, uneducated teen and young adults in their fertile age are easier to take choices which would lead towards unwanted pregnancies and change the course of their life, perhaps permanently...
Here in my country there used to be a program to subsidize condoms and even affordable vasectomies, it was usual to receive sexual education in highschool, though, to be fair I went to a private highschool so I don't know the whole situation in the country...

I have even seen articles and political commentators from the United States discussion the possibility of banning contraception method altogether, though, the supreme court does not seem willing to go that extreme path for now...

[legiteum]

I have even seen articles and political commentators from the United States discussion the possibility of banning contraception method altogether, though, the supreme court does not seem willing to go that extreme path for now...

The Supreme Court has done its job by clearing the path for Congress to make abortion, contraception, IVF, and even inter-racial marriage (seriously, read the Dobbs decision) a crime punishable as murder.

All that is required is a Republican majority in House, the Senate and Trump to be president, and it's the law--and there is nothing the current Supreme Court would do about it since they already made it known that all of this is perfectly in line with the US Constitution.

Or maybe it won't even require Congress?

Understand that right now, the only reason the abortion pill isn't banned in all 50 states is because the Biden administration fought against the ridiculous lawsuit to stop it (the one that lost in the Supreme Court last week in a 7-0 unanimous decision).

All Trump's administration will have to do to ban most abortions in all 50 states is allow one of these ridiculous lawsuits to prevail by failing to defend against them.

And can you imagine a future Trump administration actively defending a woman's right to choose? I sure can't.

Trump's supporters have, for decades now, made their position perfectly clear: they believe abortion is murder. They therefore believe that doctors who perform abortions are murderers. And women who have abortions are murderers. And people who help women travel to another State or another country in order to safely have an abortion are murderers.

And perhaps people, like say the handful of mining companies who control over 51% of the Bitcoin hashrate, who enable illegal abortions using government-resistant payment methods like Bitcoin, are... murderers. And perhaps Bitcoin brokers who don't report transfers going to abortion clinics are murderers.

In short, to stop the millions of abortions currently transpiring every year in the USA, Trump is going to have to construct a gigantic police state and it's very likely things like Bitcoin and other cryptos can be caught up in that.

If you value your Bitcoin, stay with the leadership that has seen Bitcoin increase in price by 500%, which is President Biden.