Israel in the circle of political absurdity

[Alik Bahshi]

Alik Bakhshi

Israel in the circle of political absurdity

          

       So, after 77 years, when, in accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution No. 181 of November 29, 1947, it was decided to create two states of Israel and Palestine in the British mandated territory of Palestine, Palestine finally received the status of a full member of the UN on May 10, 2024. To be honest, this resolution surprised me. The fact is that thanks to resolution No. 181, Israel automatically received membership in the UN, and of course this should have happened to Palestine as well. What was the point of re-involving the UN to re-admit Palestine to the UN? Absurd, nothing less!

       However, one absurdity gives rise to another, no less incredible absurdity. Israel, being a fierce opponent of Palestine's membership in the UN, draws the attention of the international community to the fact that UN resolutions are only advisory in nature and are not obligatory for their implementation. This explanation from Israel again caused bewilderment, because Israel received a mandate for a state and membership in the UN thanks to the resolution. This attitude towards UN resolutions completely nullifies the significance of this international organization.

        I must say the following circumstance is even more absurd. This refers to those 9 countries that are opponents of Palestine’s membership in the UN, motivating their negative attitude towards Palestine and the formation of the state of Palestine by the fact that first this issue should be resolved between Israel, which has the status of a state, and Palestine with an unequal status of autonomy. But, as you know, they have been solving this issue for 75 years to no avail through war, which, like any war, is accompanied by mass deaths of the civilian population. From the first day of the formation of the state, martial law was introduced in Israel, which has not been lifted to this day. True, during the time of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin there was an opportunity to agree on a peaceful solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, but everything ended with his murder, and, to be honest, this outrageous murder by an Israeli terrorist was perceived positively by the majority of Israeli citizens. (1) And Today, the Biden administration is sending the decision on the creation of the state of Palestine to Israel, which, unlike the Palestinians, I repeat, has the status of a state. You may say it's nonsense, but this is what is happening. Did they take into account the opinion of the Palestinians when they decided in 1947 to allocate part of the territory of Palestine to the state of Israel, which occupied the entire territory of former Palestine!

       America's mischief-making together with Israel created the absurdity of the situation regarding the creation of the state of Palestine, which had already been resolved back in 1947. (2) According to American President Biden, it is possible to end the confrontation between Jews and Palestinians by creating the state of Palestine, however, on the other hand, America is blocking this possibility by vetoing it in the Security Council. Once again, absurdity and a demonstration of the policy of double standards. (3) Such an immoral position of Biden does not paint America, which stands for justice and democracy.
       Israel's future is at peace with the Arabs, and there is no other option.(4)

1. On the question of who killed Rabin. Israel. Our country. 04.12.96.
2. The UN's fatal mistake. 05.12.2023. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/106403.html
3. An open letter to Mr. President Joseph Biden. 04/23/2024. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/109710.html
4. Peace and democracy are the future of Israel. Israel. Our country. 09.18.96.
      
         05/11/2024

[Hispo]

Actually, the level of absurdity which and double standards goes pretty much beyond what we all have seen in these latest days of drama within the ONU and the offensive on Rahfa being carried out by Israel, disregarding the opinion and warnings of the United States as an ally.
Joe Biden, as the democrat president he is of course will try to push for the narrative of peace being possible in the middle east through the way of the creation of two separate states, one of the Jewish people and one of those who have Palestinian citizenship, however the problem goes beyond the creation of two states or the division of land.
it has been very clear that neither Palestine nor Israel seem to be willing to live in a peaceful convivence with their neighbors: Palestinian militias and armed groups (which are pretty much antisemitic) have already declared a prolonged war until the  State of Israel completely ceases to exist, on the other hand Israel (while posing as a democratic a peace loving entity) has been trying to slowly but steadily to take over as much land as possible from Palestine. It would seem both entities do not actually seek for peace, but the total destruction of their neighbor.
I am pretty sure Netanyahu must be crossing his fingers for Donald Trump to win the election this year, the Israeli government always seeks unconditional support from the white house and the fact Biden has shown a minimum of concern over the use of the American arsenal against the innocent is Gaza is unconceivable to him.

[Alik Bahshi]

Actually, the level of absurdity which and double standards goes pretty much beyond what we all have seen in these latest days of drama within the ONU and the offensive on Rahfa being carried out by Israel, disregarding the opinion and warnings of the United States as an ally.
Joe Biden, as the democrat president he is of course will try to push for the narrative of peace being possible in the middle east through the way of the creation of two separate states, one of the Jewish people and one of those who have Palestinian citizenship, however the problem goes beyond the creation of two states or the division of land.
it has been very clear that neither Palestine nor Israel seem to be willing to live in a peaceful convivence with their neighbors: Palestinian militias and armed groups (which are pretty much antisemitic) have already declared a prolonged war until the  State of Israel completely ceases to exist, on the other hand Israel (while posing as a democratic a peace loving entity) has been trying to slowly but steadily to take over as much land as possible from Palestine. It would seem both entities do not actually seek for peace, but the total destruction of their neighbor.
I am pretty sure Netanyahu must be crossing his fingers for Donald Trump to win the election this year, the Israeli government always seeks unconditional support from the white house and the fact Biden has shown a minimum of concern over the use of the American arsenal against the innocent is Gaza is unconceivable to him.

  Further events depend on who will become the future president of America, but for now the war will continue.

[Hispo]

Actually, the level of absurdity which and double standards goes pretty much beyond what we all have seen in these latest days of drama within the ONU and the offensive on Rahfa being carried out by Israel, disregarding the opinion and warnings of the United States as an ally.
Joe Biden, as the democrat president he is of course will try to push for the narrative of peace being possible in the middle east through the way of the creation of two separate states, one of the Jewish people and one of those who have Palestinian citizenship, however the problem goes beyond the creation of two states or the division of land.
it has been very clear that neither Palestine nor Israel seem to be willing to live in a peaceful convivence with their neighbors: Palestinian militias and armed groups (which are pretty much antisemitic) have already declared a prolonged war until the  State of Israel completely ceases to exist, on the other hand Israel (while posing as a democratic a peace loving entity) has been trying to slowly but steadily to take over as much land as possible from Palestine. It would seem both entities do not actually seek for peace, but the total destruction of their neighbor.
I am pretty sure Netanyahu must be crossing his fingers for Donald Trump to win the election this year, the Israeli government always seeks unconditional support from the white house and the fact Biden has shown a minimum of concern over the use of the American arsenal against the innocent is Gaza is unconceivable to him.

  Further events depend on who will become the future president of America, but for now the war will continue.

Unfortunately, the war against Hamas and the suffering of the Palestinian people will continue, regardless of the next president of the United States happen to be. See, the defense of Israel is one of the few bi-partisan topics which can be counted on when we talk about American politics. Both Republican and Democrats are unconditional supporters of the existence and defense of the State of Israel, the democrat just happen to be somewhat worried about the security and integrity of the innocent in the Palestinian side.
If Joe Biden gets elected he will eventually continue to send weapons and money to the IDF, perhaps less than they initially, but the flow of support won't stop. On the other hand, if Donald Trump becomes the next president of the USA, as a typical republican he is, he will completely disregard the life and well being of the Palestinian people and will continue to send as much money and weapons as possible to the IDF.
So the presidency of the USA and whoever is on the seat won't make much difference.
It would take a third party candidate to take over the presidency for something to actually to start happening in this war, and we all know that won't happen as the duopoly of politics continue in America...

[Alik Bahshi]

Israel carried out a raid on the capital of Qatar, killing Palestinians responsible for negotiations to end the hostilities in Gaza and free the hostages. Now Israel will have no one to negotiate with, and the issue of freeing the hostages is once again postponed along with the issue of ending the war. Thus, Netanyahu is following his plan not to stop the war, and he does not care about the fate of the hostages. At the same time, in the international Talking Room, that is, the UN, the issue of recognizing the state of Palestine will be discussed once again, with the same negative final result, thanks to the veto of the country that is the bulwark of world democracy and justice.

[franky1]

so many mistakes so many clarifications needed

Israel carried out a raid on the capital of Qatar,

Isreal legally never raided qatar. israel never even entered territory of qatar to start a war. nor hit qatar
legally and intentionally israel hit hamas diplomatic sovereign territory. qatar have no jurisdiction over the land which the compound sits on. it held a hamas embassy thus not qatar land. qatars hands are tied as to what it can or cannot do on that land.
(learn about embassy sovereign territory, learn about diplomatic immunity and jurisdictional control of such sites)

killing Palestinians responsible for negotiations to end the hostilities in Gaza and free the hostages.

they were not innocent palestinians they were all part of the hamas envoy. a group of jihadi arabs governing gaza but not to help palestinians, but instead to use palestinians to further a jihadi agenda sponsored by the tehran regime. the hamas negotiators had already declined any offers or suggestions made from israeli/us/qatar negotiators before the strikes hit

Now Israel will have no one to negotiate with, and the issue of freeing the hostages is once again postponed along with the issue of ending the war. Thus, Netanyahu is following his plan not to stop the war, and he does not care about the fate of the hostages.

negotiations failed before the strike. and im sure hamas will find someone else to talk with the international groups once things get more worrying for hamas. infact once hamas are removed, an ACTUAL peaceful palestinian civilian political party will come to the negotiation table to be recognised as the temporary replacement government until elections are held.

At the same time, in the international Talking Room, that is, the UN, the issue of recognizing the state of Palestine will be discussed once again, with the same negative final result, thanks to the veto of the country that is the bulwark of world democracy and justice.

once hamas are gone peacedeals can be met with a replacement political party wishing to govern gaza(aka philistinia aka proposed palestine) from a non military peaceful political group. where the rebuilding and peace can begin

as for the hostages. the less 'proof of life' and less willing hamas are to release the hostages, the less power hamas has left to barter with

allowing hamas to continue governing and continue practicing their military actions is not a path to peace nor recognition of gaza as palestine. removing and replacing hamas is the path to peace

[G.Seed]

Isreal legally never raided qatar.

"legally"
This is the word used by monsters to justify their absence of soul.

You are a fucking bastard killing children, organizing starvations, stealings lands for decades.

"Oh but legally..."
"legally..."
"legally Jesus Christ was guilty, it was ok to torture him to death"

You are a fucking bastard.

We do not need any "legally" to understand that.

Now you can cry for moderators.

[franky1]

aww poor lil guy above has no clue..

israel struck the intended building/compound they aimed at. they were not monsters random firing random qatari land. they were not monsters trying to take out random civilians

now compare that to hamas tactics when they fire/strike ..

compare israels attempts to send aid in to distribute for free.
 vs
 hamas tactics to ambush such aid, feed their troops first and then sell left overs at inflated markets

[G.Seed]

aww poor lil guy above has no clue..

You are right, I have no clue, I have facts.

he cant even do math or use fact. he just runs on the fuel of emotion.. emotion triggered by misleading clickbait media.

Yes this is it.
You support a genocide because you are smarter than me.
And you do not fall into the powerful palestinian lobby trap.

when he realises that the hamas health ministry's own data about the amount of deaths do not reveal thousands of kids dying of starvation but instead at this moment under 130 since 2023

And it is ok for you because you are a piece of shit.
They are not ALL starving, some are just affraid, some are not kids, they are starving adults, some are just wounded but not starving, so it ok...
Some palestinian women have not been raped by israeli soldiers.
We should definitely continue to support Israel for this particular reason.

but instead other co-comorbidities that required special attention

Yes let s go in the detail, this is very interesting to know exactly why are you a bastard.
Because you are happy to see palestinian children dying of disease or because of starvation, this is a great subject.
It is like an israeli soldier raping your mother in front of you and you asking, this is not exactly a rape because he did not put anything in her hole, he just hit her and burnt her nipples.

bits actually israel sending in the aid inside the gaza border, destined to be distributed for free to palestinians.. but hamas ambushing it on route

Just a second. So much crazy things here.

1 - Why would they need to send some aid in Gaza ? Because they are bombing, because they do not allow aid from anyone else ? Send back Palestine to palestinians and you won't have to "send aid" to anybody.
2 - Israeli soldiers shoot people who want to get food or water.
3 - Israei soldiers have admited t have destroyed tons of aid : https://www.aa.com.tr/fr/politique/gaza-les-soldats-isra%C3%A9liens-admettent-avoir-d%C3%A9truit-des-milliers-de-tonnes-daide-humanitaire/3642541
4 - Even israeli people are destroying aid and they are bragging on social media.
5 - Hamas ? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/

So much deny of reality, just to continue to be "the people of Light".

when he realises the ~70k war related death over last couple years are not of women and children of innocent palestinians.. but a mass co-mingling of hamas troops, hamas leaders, affiliates, co-conspirers, their families and others coerced, bribed, held hostage to stay around hamas strongholds to be used as martyrs, pawns and human shields in majority of that number..

"Humans animals", this was the term used by your brother Yoav Galant.
Yoav Galant is more honest than you.
Because you are a racist piee of shit but you do not admit. He is a racist piece of shit and he is ok with that.

You talk about maths.
Israël helped creating Hamas on the 80s.
Your brothers started to kill, toture and rape palestinians since the 40s.
Don't we have a problem ?

israel send warnings

Israël does absolutley everything to have pretext to continue to kill and steal palestinians lands. They will continue to do so.
Everybody sees this, everybody knows this
And they do this by stealing money from the western countries, especially from USA.

[Alik Bahshi]

so many mistakes so many clarifications needed

Israel carried out a raid on the capital of Qatar,

Isreal legally never raided qatar. israel never even entered territory of qatar to start a war. nor hit qatar
legally and intentionally israel hit hamas diplomatic sovereign territory. qatar have no jurisdiction over the land which the compound sits on. it held a hamas embassy thus not qatar land. qatars hands are tied as to what it can or cannot do on that land.
(learn about embassy sovereign territory, learn about diplomatic immunity and jurisdictional control of such sites)

What nonsense are you talking about! Firstly, why do you think that the building that was destroyed by an airstrike is the Hamas embassy? Secondly, no country would agree that foreign embassies can be blown up by anyone. Thirdly, the Israelis violated the airspace of another country, which in itself is a gross act, especially since the violation was by the military.

I can assume that either you have the mind of a child, or you are an Israeli citizen who supports the policy of genocide against the Palestinian people.

[franky1]

aww poor guy again taking hamas's atrocities and trying to apply them to israel
hamas want genocide.
hamas execute palestinians for trying to take hamas stored food(stolen by hamas initialy from aid trucks destined for the palestinians)
hamas cut of hands, legs and decapitate. they also rape and kill babies.
look how many hamas killed raped and slaughtered in just one day oct 7th 2023.. then look deeper into how they treat palestinians and hostages since

he cant even do math or use fact. he just runs on the fuel of emotion.. emotion triggered by misleading clickbait media.
poor guy when he wakes up to fact, data and statistic, he too will realise that he will need to cry about moderators of social media cutting away the facts to only leave the lies, deceit and propaganda.

when he realises that the hamas health ministry's own data about the amount of deaths do not reveal thousands of kids dying of starvation but instead at this moment under 130 since 2023(~130 out of hundreds of thousands).. where even the under 130 child deaths related to nutrition deficits are not majority due to lack of aid for months, but instead other co-comorbidities that required special attention, EG kids that just cant eat normal food even if piled up on the table because they have other medical issues of concern(birth defects and such like cystic fibrosis)
lets use a comparison of stats
UK births are 1.2m over 2 years... uk infant mortality rate is 4 per 1k birth meaning 4800
UK has 70m pop.. gaza has 2.. so lets divide all UK numbers by 35 to get like for like over view 4800 /35=137
so not much different compared to the uk health/food supply system
and as said the numbers of children in gaza was numbers supplied by hamas's own health minister

as for general population "starvation".. again israel are main country sending supplies in. you dont see jordon, lebanon or iran sending huge amounts to support their fellow arabs
but the population of gaza still remains over 2m.. if it were genocide via starvation. knowing soneone can die in months without food, they would all be dead by now. but their population remains above 2m..

when he realises its actually israel sending in the aid inside the gaza border, destined to be distributed for free to palestinians.. but hamas ambushing it on route, to feed the good stuff to troops/affiliates as salary/brines. and then sells the rest at inflated markets.. but then he finds out also that hamas are using lawfare themselves to not class it as theft under UN's reports.. even though the aid 'transfered to recognised government' in many cases reaches the destination food aid distribution sites due to ambushes(oops i mean transfers). he will rightfully call out their "lawfare" abuses

when he realises the ~70k war related death over last couple years are not only of 'women and children of innocent palestinians'.. but a mass co-mingling of hamas troops their families, hamas leaders their families, affiliates their families, co-conspirators their families and others coerced, bribed, held hostage to stay around hamas strongholds to be used as martyrs, pawns and human shields in majority of that number.. he might realise the crappy tactics of hamas to cause unneeded death 'of women and children'..

then when he runs said numbers and realise the proportionality of intended vs collateral, is actually seen in the numbers that israel done all it can to minimise collateral casualties compared to other urban warfare wars. he might wake up. and yep again the war related deaths of 70k currently are again hamas's health ministry stats.. even hamas admit the numbers they produce are co-mingled with troops and operational personnel and their families, so the number of true, uninvolved innocents is a low number mixed in with those wrapped up as intended targets
when you work out how many troops and affiliates of military significance kill you will see the left over amount of 'others'(innocents) being a low proportional number

israel send warnings when hamas take over a new residential area for their military operations, israel warn the innocent population to disperse and evacuate, israel create safe zones and declare the area now occupied by hamas as a target zone. after giving time for innocents to evacuate.. but do hamas tell population to evacuate when hamas decide they like to use residential/urban areas as their military operation centres

[G.Seed]

aww poor guy again taking hamas's atrocities and trying to apply them to israel
hamas want genocide.
hamas execute palestinians for trying to take hamas stored food(stolen by hamas initialy from aid trucks destined for the palestinians)
hamas cut of hands, legs and decapitate. they also rape and kill babies.
look how many hamas killed raped and slaughtered in just one day oct 7th 2023.. then look deeper into how they treat palestinians and hostages since

No they did not do that. Even if your "Israël" created Hamas for that purpose. Hamas was supposed to help Israël to provide easy casus belli.
They had to invent this story of 40 babies decapitated that was a hoax.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

You did absolutely everything you could to destroy palestinians souls but you failed.
You destroyed your souls, you are done, I cannot do anything for you.

[franky1]

aww poor guy again taking hamas's atrocities and trying to apply them to israel
hamas want genocide.
hamas execute palestinians for trying to take hamas stored food(stolen by hamas initialy from aid trucks destined for the palestinians)
hamas cut of hands, legs and decapitate. they also rape and kill babies.
look how many hamas killed raped and slaughtered in just one day oct 7th 2023.. then look deeper into how they treat palestinians and hostages since

No they did not do that. Even if your "Israël" created Hamas for that purpose. Hamas was supposed to help Israël to provide easy casus belli.
They had to invent this story of 40 babies decapitated that was a hoax.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

You did absolutely everything you could to destroy palestinians souls but you failed.
You destroyed your souls, you are done, I cannot do anything for you.

hamas themselves admit to executing palestininans 'looting' from hamas aid storage
hamas themselves admit to 'taking control' of aid trucks

as for the children
do better research.. the wiki you linked as your source.. tries to use a haaretz media(propaganda) as source, which used snippets from "le monde" media story to suggest there were no dead babies.. but le monde admit to this though:

Several reporters present at Kfar Aza, including from Le Monde, did not collect these testimonies, or considered them unreliable.

and then later

Chen Kugel, director of Israel's National Center of Forensic Medicine, confirmed that bodies were found without heads, but explained to Le Monde not knowing whether they were dismembered deliberately by the assailants or by explosions or projectiles. With no real public denial from the Israeli authorities, this ambiguous communication helped to muddy the waters.

so even le monde initially began the denial propaganda by not taking testimonials or ignoring them..pretending such things like soldiers and rescuers witness accounts were unreliable by saying the rescuers could have had glassy eyes or not expert to have not seen what they seen due to exhaustion or confusion. to then come to opinions based on LACK of information to deny the atrocities.. which hareetz used the initial lack of info as bases to deny atrocities occurred.

but then even le monde got confirmation from actual medical examiners that there were dead kids dismembered('without heads')..
then more pro-hamas propaganda pushed the 'unable to identify if dismemberments were due to assailants hands or explosives' to pretend yet again there were no dismembered kids(facepalm)

later turns out through investigations that some homes of victims were not hit by explosives..  so that disproves the notion that the kids dismembered were just results of explosives. (scene of a complete undamaged cot, in undamaged room, but cot covered in blood)
other investigations of a pregnant woman with her abdomen opened were propagandised as an explosion victim, though media later visited the house(fully assembled) which contradicts the explosion narrative. the pro-hamas propaganda then tried to deny the woman even lived there by saying it was a neighbourhood only for elderly, though later facts found it was a large multi-generation home

[i only mention a couple examples of cases involving kids.. but the list goes on.. should you even care to find facts, you can try to seek the others. but im guessing your not interested in facts and just want to be pro-hamas]

[Alik Bahshi]

aww poor guy again taking hamas's atrocities and trying to apply them to israel
hamas want genocide.
hamas execute palestinians for trying to take hamas stored food(stolen by hamas initialy from aid trucks destined for the palestinians)
hamas cut of hands, legs and decapitate. they also rape and kill babies.
look how many hamas killed raped and slaughtered in just one day oct 7th 2023.. then look deeper into how they treat palestinians and hostages since

No they did not do that. Even if your "Israël" created Hamas for that purpose. Hamas was supposed to help Israël to provide easy casus belli.
They had to invent this story of 40 babies decapitated that was a hoax.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_baby_beheading_hoax

You did absolutely everything you could to destroy palestinians souls but you failed.
You destroyed your souls, you are done, I cannot do anything for you.

hamas themselves admit to executing palestininans 'looting' from hamas aid storage
hamas themselves admit to 'taking control' of aid trucks

as for the children
do better research.. the wiki you linked as your source.. tries to use a haaretz media(propaganda) as source, which used snippets from "le monde" media story to suggest there were no dead babies.. but le monde admit to this though:

Several reporters present at Kfar Aza, including from Le Monde, did not collect these testimonies, or considered them unreliable.

and then later

Chen Kugel, director of Israel's National Center of Forensic Medicine, confirmed that bodies were found without heads, but explained to Le Monde not knowing whether they were dismembered deliberately by the assailants or by explosions or projectiles. With no real public denial from the Israeli authorities, this ambiguous communication helped to muddy the waters.

so even le monde initially began the denial propaganda by not taking testimonials or ignoring them..pretending such things like soldiers and rescuers witness accounts were unreliable by saying the rescuers could have had glassy eyes or not expert to have not seen what they seen due to exhaustion or confusion. to then come to opinions based on LACK of information to deny the atrocities.. which hareetz used the initial lack of info as bases to deny atrocities occurred.

but then even le monde got confirmation from actual medical examiners that there were dead kids dismembered('without heads')..
then more pro-hamas propaganda pushed the 'unable to identify if dismemberments were due to assailants hands or explosives' to pretend yet again there were no dismembered kids(facepalm)

later turns out through investigations that some homes of victims were not hit by explosives..  so that disproves the notion that the kids dismembered were just results of explosives. (scene of a complete undamaged cot, in undamaged room, but cot covered in blood)
other investigations of a pregnant woman with her abdomen opened were propagandised as an explosion victim, though media later visited the house(fully assembled) which contradicts the explosion narrative. the pro-hamas propaganda then tried to deny the woman even lived there by saying it was a neighbourhood only for elderly, though later facts found it was a large multi-generation home

[i only mention a couple examples of cases involving kids.. but the list goes on.. should you even care to find facts, you can try to seek the others. but im guessing your not interested in facts and just want to be pro-hamas]

So wouldn't it be better if Israel, instead of autonomy, granted the Palestinians statehood, withdrew its army from the territory that the UN provided for the Palestinians, just as the UN provided for the Jews, created an interstate border, and did not use cheap Arab labor, since they would be citizens of another state, and not forced laborers from an autonomous territory. Why does Israel control the territory that the UN designated for another state, which is called Palestine? For what reason? What is happening is called occupation and nothing else, and the conditions in which the people of Palestine live is called apartheid. And after this you want the Palestinians not to attack Israel!? Peace can only be achieved by ending the occupation and nothing else. However, Israel wants to expel the Palestinians from Palestine, offering them to leave Gaza, as Trump, who has lost his mind and decency, has suggested. The unwillingness to leave Palestinian territory and thereby bring peace to the situation created by Israel is the reason for the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who wanted to give the Palestinians their legitimate right to their own state.
 

[franky1]

So wouldn't it be better if Israel, instead of autonomy, granted the Palestinians statehood,  withdrew its army from the territory

the offer is already there. gaza has ancient provenance claim from the far back name of philistinia to which palestinians origins can be linked to.
israel already made suggestions for gaza to be a palestinian state.. even offers of compensations and funding the rebuild, create the municipal services and utilities for the palestinians to then use/manage/govern.. the condition however is not to be run by a jihadi terrorism group(hamas).
israel do not want to govern gaza, never have, never want to
israel has already said once hamas step back, invoke elections(all manner of methods) to then have a peaceful civilian palestinian political party. then they can have recognised statehood

Why does Israel control the territory that the UN designated for another state, which is called Palestine? For what reason?

you seem to be confused. the area of ancient 'kingdom of isreal' and 'kingdom of judea' (AKA 'from the ricer to the sea') has been a well settled matter of jews and isreali's uniting to combine those territories into being israel. the idea of "zionism" (pursuit of a homeland settlement for jews) has already been settled successfully along time ago. its already in place, the pursuit was over along time ago long before the modern word "palestine" was even a thing.

if you think the area of "from the river to the sea" (kingdoms of isreal/judea) are "palestine" ask yourself who is the president/prime minister of "palestine" of such area you believe the name equates to.. oh there is none. ok then its not recognised as palestine

yes there are times of history of different arab wars where the persian empire and ottoman empire tried to eradicate jews, hewbrews and israelites. but the isreali/jew homeland has known provenance and hereditary and long standing as the homeland of isrealis/jews, even money coins of history has symbology, languages that show their existence in the region even when arab empires occupied it

however 'palestinians' are not some big population of people with their own identity, symbology, flags and culture, thus history did not see them as significant enough to have any mass territory claim based on size or provenance..

the british did try to mandate a area but this was not internationally recognised state, it was more a of temporary peacedeal to appease the group and end some squabbles. it didnt last long, only ~25 years. which compared to the thousands of years of isreali/jew recognition. puts things into prospective

palestinians also need to develop some cultural things. also political things. like specific laws for a potential state to rule under. other things like independent flag and symbols to be recognised. even their own currency. which along with a peaceful civilian political party voted into power to replace the remnants of hamas.. then gaza can become palestine.

its not simply to remove isreali troops from fighting hamas and 'ta-da' statehood(with hamas still in power)

the whole absurdity plea of "from the river to the sea" is not a plan of viable statehood on palestinians part. its actually part of the tehran/hamas plot to eradicate isrealis and make the entire middle east pure arabian/persian empire driven. there is no provenance claim of "from the river to the sea" for palestinians.
and outside of the jihadi regime of tehhran/hamas actual palestinians would love to have gaza rebuilt with a peaceful palestinian citizen government.. but hamas wont relinquish control to let those peace processes and rebuilds begin

lets talk about symbology
jews had star of david for many centuries.. but palestinian have nothing. so lets just hypothesise some for palestinians
philistinia has multiple background of assyrian, babalonian but there are already many arab states using those backgrouds, so lets think deep, unique, independant to give real significant recognitions of historic identity
for instance hereditary of philistinia (egyptian)
 could use a egyptian lotus symbol (rebirth)
 could use a egyptian scarab symbol (death, rebirth, power)


for instance hereditary of philistinia (greek)
 could use a phoenix symbol (rebirth)
 could use a snake eating tail (death, rebirth, power)

[Alik Bahshi]

So wouldn't it be better if Israel, instead of autonomy, granted the Palestinians statehood,  withdrew its army from the territory

the offer is already there. gaza has ancient provenance claim from the far back name of philistinia to which palestinians origins can be linked to.
israel already made suggestions for gaza to be a palestinian state.. even offers of compensations and funding the rebuild, create the municipal services and utilities for the palestinians to then use/manage/govern.. the condition however is not to be run by a jihadi terrorism group(hamas).
israel do not want to govern gaza, never have, never want to
israel has already said once hamas step back, invoke elections(all manner of methods) to then have a peaceful civilian palestinian political party. then they can have recognised statehood

Why does Israel control the territory that the UN designated for another state, which is called Palestine? For what reason?

you seem to be confused. the area of ancient 'kingdom of isreal' and 'kingdom of judea' (AKA 'from the ricer to the sea') has been a well settled matter of jews and isreali's uniting to combine those territories into being israel. the idea of "zionism" (pursuit of a homeland settlement for jews) has already been settled successfully along time ago. its already in place, the pursuit was over along time ago long before the modern word "palestine" was even a thing.

if you think the area of "from the river to the sea" (kingdoms of isreal/judea) are "palestine" ask yourself who is the president/prime minister of "palestine" of such area you believe the name equates to.. oh there is none. ok then its not recognised as palestine

yes there are times of history of different arab wars where the persian empire and ottoman empire tried to eradicate jews, hewbrews and israelites. but the isreali/jew homeland has known provenance and hereditary and long standing as the homeland of isrealis/jews, even money coins of history has symbology, languages that show their existence in the region even when arab empires occupied it

however 'palestinians' are not some big population of people with their own identity, symbology, flags and culture, thus history did not see them as significant enough to have any mass territory claim based on size or provenance..

the british did try to mandate a area but this was not internationally recognised state, it was more a of temporary peacedeal to appease the group and end some squabbles. it didnt last long, only ~25 years. which compared to the thousands of years of isreali/jew recognition. puts things into prospective

palestinians also need to develop some cultural things. also political things. like specific laws for a potential state to rule under. other things like independent flag and symbols to be recognised. even their own currency. which along with a peaceful civilian political party voted into power to replace the remnants of hamas.. then gaza can become palestine.

its not simply to remove isreali troops from fighting hamas and 'ta-da' statehood(with hamas still in power)

the whole absurdity plea of "from the river to the sea" is not a plan of viable statehood on palestinians part. its actually part of the tehran/hamas plot to eradicate isrealis and make the entire middle east pure arabian/persian empire driven. there is no provenance claim of "from the river to the sea" for palestinians.
and outside of the jihadi regime of tehhran/hamas actual palestinians would love to have gaza rebuilt with a peaceful palestinian citizen government.. but hamas wont relinquish control to let those peace processes and rebuilds begin

lets talk about symbology
jews had star of david for many centuries.. but palestinian have nothing. so lets just hypothesise some for palestinians
philistinia has multiple background of assyrian, babalonian but there are already many arab states using those backgrouds, so lets think deep, unique, independant to give real significant recognitions of historic identity
for instance hereditary of philistinia (egyptian)
 could use a egyptian lotus symbol (rebirth)
 could use a egyptian scarab symbol (death, rebirth, power)


for instance hereditary of philistinia (greek)
 could use a phoenix symbol (rebirth)
 could use a snake eating tail (death, rebirth, power)

  Firstly, before the emergence, as you claim, of the ancient Jewish kingdom, there were Egypt, the Philistine state, Assyria, Babylon. Jews are a nomadic people, but they are distinguished from true nomadic peoples by the fact that they did not roam with herds, but were closer in their way of life to the gypsies. The very name Jew in translation from Hebrew is crossed (vagabond), or in the form of a verb in Hebrew "avara" (to cross). Origin from the ancient Indian "avara" (vagabond). The same word was called the nomadic Turkic people - the Avars.
Jews wandered in search of a better life. They liked Egypt, which was rich at that time, where they lived in a special status, not being citizens of the state, that is, they were not in the status of slaves of the Pharaoh, like all Egyptians. After the Pharaoh decided to liquidate the free status of the Jews, that is, to make them equal to the population of the country, the Jews left the country after 340 years of residence in Egypt. I will quote from my article:

Regarding the historical right of the Jews to Palestine, I would like to remind you that the Jews as a formed people left Egypt when there were no Arabs there at all. In other words, the true homeland of the Jewish people is Egypt. In this regard, historically, the Jewish people have more rights to Egypt than the Arabs who appeared there thousands of years later. (6) The irresistible love for free activity and the unwillingness to be in the status of slaves of the Pharaoh, in which the entire population of Egypt was, were the reason for the mass exodus from the country, where after more than 340 years of residence they became a people from the incoming tribe. According to legend, after 40 years of wandering in the Sinai desert, the Jews came to Canaan, where the Philistines lived, and subsequently took possession of the land of the Philistines, Palestine, and formed the Kingdom of Israel, the foundation of which dates back to the 11th century BC. around 1030 BC. After the death of King Solomon (930-920 BC), the Kingdom of Israel disintegrated into the northern Kingdom of Israel and the southern Kingdom of Judah. ​​The Jewish kingdoms did not last long. The northern one was conquered by Assyria 200 years later (721 BC). The Kingdom of Judah was later destroyed by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II in 586 BC and is notable for the destruction of the First Temple in Jerusalem and the Babylonian captivity, which began the dispersal of Jews across the countries of the East and West. Since then, Israel as a state disappears, and its territory is successively part of the Persian Empire, the Empire of Alexander the Great, the Seleucid Empire, with the fall of which for a short period of 110 - 63 BC the Hasmonean Empire arose in Judea. Then, this region is owned by the Great Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Sassanid Empire, the Arab Caliphate, the Seljuk Empire, and, finally, the Ottoman Empire. It is important to note the fact that the Persians and Turks were very favorable to the Jews, it was during the times of the Persian Empire that the Jews were allowed to return to Israel and conduct religious rites, and the Second Temple was built at the same time. Jewish traveling merchants, the Radhanites, controlled the Great Silk Road and trade not only in the Middle East, but also in Khazaria and Crimea. During the expulsion of Jews from Spain, when the Inquisition burned non-believers at the stake all over Europe, the Ottoman Empire accepted Jewish refugees. And up until the Islamic Revolution, Israel and Iran had excellent interstate relations.

So, Israel as a state, after the Jews captured the land of the Philistines, existed in the history of human civilization for only 300 years. Since then, primarily due to the national mentality, preserving the Faith and traditions, the Jews settled in different countries, engaged in trade and usury, preserving in the people's memory information about Palestine as the Motherland, although in fact the homeland of the Jewish people, as I said, is Egypt, to which the Jews have more historical rights than the Arabs, whose existence in those distant times in those parts no one had even heard of. (Israel in the past, present and future. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/112471.html )

So, in comparison with the mentioned empires, the period of existence of the Jewish state is negligibly short. And the territory of Gaza, by the way, has never historically been part of the Jewish state.

[franky1]

funny story.. but one(of many) failure on your part that breaks your story apart
you are trying to say the philistines were the people of palestine from the river to the sea (canaan) but they only had control of gaza and jordans capital

According to legend, after 40 years of wandering in the Sinai desert, the Jews came to Canaan, where the Philistines lived, and subsequently took possession of the land of the Philistines, Palestine, and formed the Kingdom of Israel,

the judeans(jews) didnt come to canaan as philistines from egypt.. it was the greek/eqyptians that came and settled in lands of gaza(philistia) and called themselves philistines and later palestinians

The name Philistia evolved into the Greek "Palaistinē," eventually becoming Palestine

philistia was just pretty much gaza(southern coast of canaan) when the egypt/greek conquest history created philistia. and yes egyptians(under greek rule) dominated what we call gaza now when it was philistia... but judea and kingdom of isreal existed even back then as separate people/kingdoms/religion/culture

palestine was never, "from the land to the sea".. that recent nonsense notion is the propaganda of the tehran regime which hamas is proxy of

what you are confused about is that the egyptian/greek nomads became philistines.. and later travelled from philistia(gaza) through the kingdoms of the isrealites and judeans, lost battles to the isrealites so continued travelling east and then settled in a city(amman) within the ammon(jordan) region which back then they renamed the city philadelphia(which amman is the capital city of whats now jordan) .. which later got conquered by the arabs during the assyrian, babalonian persian empire times.

but the control of the (now jordan capital) became the bases of the westbanks desire to have an area of israel(recent history) because of their beleif that the westbank leads back to flimsy claims leading back to ammon(jordan) land claims of what is now the west bank. even though the amman city named philadelphia sat on the eastern side of the river jordan.. so even the philistines were not dominant in the westbank area, but want to claim it as they once had claim of jordans capital and thus think they controlled jordan as a whole, and thus the anciant jordan controlled area west of the river (now called west bank)

so palestinians/philistines did not own all of the canaan region of what was kingdom of isreal and judea. ..
but i am glad that you do in your story atleast admit judea(jews) and isrealites existed before the arab conquests, even if you dont want to admit that jews/isreali's survived and lived in the regions of judea/isreal even during and after the conquests and are still around today. im also glad you admit isrealis and jews existed before palestine was even a word

as for the philistines well they remained in name and memory only, as their nationality, language, culture, religion converted over millenia's to become arabian and recent history calling themselves palestinians

for emphasis jews isrealiites remained in areas of canaan region which is now isreal.. palestinians had smaller claim of gaza(philistia claim) and flimsier claims of westbank(due to old jodan claims west of the river)

anyway back to the topic of recent history
"palestine" was only recognised as a a mandated territory by the british between the 1920's-1940's.. so "palestine" was not some old long lasting claim.. but a temporary brritsh branding which timed out

try to name a palestinian president/prime minister that governed the canaan region which the rest of the world calls isreal..
you wont find a palestinian prime minister/president one that governed the region before 1920 or after late 1940's

[Bushdark]

What has Israel don again? With all these troubles on Earth and the political sponsored Hamas, ISIS to kill and shared the blood of innocent children and families. What has the world said about that?
When you started a war with people that have plans to show you good deeds, supplying you with electricity and good water. All you can reciprocate was to kill them and adopted their families?

When you started a fight, you should be prepared to endure the circumstances that come with it. This is Karma counts!

[Alik Bahshi]

funny story.. but one failure on your part that breaks your story apart
you are trying to say the philistines were the people of palestine from the river to the sea (canaan)

According to legend, after 40 years of wandering in the Sinai desert, the Jews came to Canaan, where the Philistines lived, and subsequently took possession of the land of the Philistines, Palestine, and formed the Kingdom of Israel,

the judeans didnt come to canaan as philistines.. it was the greek/eqyptians that came and settled in lands of gaza(philistia) and called themselves philistines and later palestinians

The name Philistia evolved into the Greek "Palaistinē," eventually becoming Palestine

philistia was just pretty much gaza(southern coast of canaan) when the egypt/greek conquest history created philistia. and yes egyptians(under greek rule) dominated what we call gaza now when it was philistia... but judea and kingdom of isreal existed even back then as separate people/kingdoms/religion/culture

palestine was never, "from the land to the sea".. that recent nonsense notion is the propaganda of the tehran regime which hamas is proxy of

what you are confused about is that the egyptian/greek nomads became philistines.. and later travelled from philistia(gaza) through the kingdoms of the isrealites and judeans, lost battles to the isrealites so continued travelling east and then settled in a city(amman) within the ammon(jordan) region which back then they renamed the city philadelphia(which amman is the capital city of whats now jordan) .. which later got conquered by the arabs during the assyrian, babalonian persian empire times.

but the control of the (now jordan capital) became the bases of the westbanks desire to have an area of israel(recent history) because of their beleif that the westbank leads back to flimsy claims leading back to ammon(jordan) land claims of what is now the west bank. even though the amman city named philadelphia sat on the eastern side of the river jordan.. so even the philistines were not dominant in the westbank area, but want to claim it as they once had claim of jordans capital and thus think they controlled jordan as a whole, and thus the anciant jordan controlled area west of the river (now called west bank)

so palestinians/philistines did not own all of the canaan region of what was kingdom of isreal and judea. ..
but i am glad that you do in your story atleast admit judea(jews) existed before the arab conquests, even if you dont want to admit that jews survived and lived in the regions of judea/isreal even during and after the conquests and are still around today.

as for the philistines well they remained in name and memory only, as their nationality, language, culture, religion converted over millenia's to become arabian and recent history calling themselves palestinians

for emphasis jews isrealiites remained in areas of canaan region which is now isreal.. palestinians had smaller claim of gaza(philistia claim) and flimsier claims of westbank(due to old jodan claims west of the river)

anyway back to the topic of recent history
"palestine" was only recognised as a a mandated territory by the british between the 1920's-1940's.. so "palestine" was not some old long lasting claim.. but a temporary brritsh branding which timed out

try to name a palestinian president/prime minister that governed the canaan region which the rest of the world calls isreal..
you wont find a palestinian prime minister/president one that governed the region before 1920 or after late 1940's

The point is not that Jews continued to live after the Jewish state, which existed for a very short time by historical standards, but that the Jewish state disappeared. Yes, Jews continued to live in the Middle East among other peoples, but did not have a state, however, there were many peoples living in subsequent empires that also did not have their own state, the most numerous of them, for example, the Kurds. And if we turn to the historical past, then the Persians and Italians have much more rights to the territory of Palestine than the Jews.

[franky1]

The point is not that Jews continued to live after the Jewish state, which existed for a very short time by historical standards, but that the Jewish state disappeared. Yes, Jews continued to live in the Middle East among other peoples, but did not have a state, however, there were many peoples living in subsequent empires that also did not have their own state, the most numerous of them, for example, the Kurds. And if we turn to the historical past, then the Persians and Italians have much more rights to the territory of Palestine than the Jews.

jews had a state millenia's ago, they had judea.. which they merged with the isrealites to expand the kingdom if isreal into what is now internationally recognised as isreal. it was not a conquer, it was a agreement/evolution, done thousands of years ago. yes other empires came and went inbetween but jews/isrealis were well settled in the area and still are today

anyway, back to modernish history of the 19th century
the british empire had control of egypt(eef) and wanted to take over the ottoman(turk) empire. so british government devised a plan to play both the jews and the arabs.. there were promises given to the jews via the belfour declaration(zionism) and separately early drafts of the british mandate making promises to the arabs(palestine)
all so that the british can get both jews and arabs to fight the ottomans

after the ottoman(turk) empire disintegrated , brits recognised the canaan region as "palestine" but not by the rest of the world. and by 1948 the international recognition of isreal took over

"palestine" as a word/culture has no centuries long history
but jews and isrealis did have millenia's long history

but i can now see why you are "surprised", "shocked", "bewildered" by the UN decisions since their inception in late 1940's,