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September 29, 2024, 11:10:24 PM
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If we talk honestly, KYC is actually quite a hindrance for children to be able to play gambling in online casinos because not all children can fake their identity, I think this is quite helpful, but the worse thing is with casinos that do not set KYC and anyone can access it, I myself often find many illegal casinos or do not apply KYC in their casinos, and the average child of them does not care about the regulation or license of a casino or talk about casino security and fairness, because in their mind is to play and multiply their money in gambling, finding a random online gambling site on Google they will register.

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September 29, 2024, 11:10:56 PM
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Are there real numbers how many underaged gamblers there are now compared to previous years? In the youtube video it was told about 90% increase, but are there any proof of that or any more details? 90% increase can be different. It can be that 10 out of 100k students were gambling last year, and now 19 students out of 100k gamble. That is a 90% increase, but in general that is close to nothing. 
Well so far personally I have not seen a statistically reliable source that has gotten a correct and accurate data with evidence that the data was from actual underaged gamblers, the most I have seen so far are literally estimation and maybe assumptions gotten from data on gambling sites accessible by almost everyone cutting across all ages because most of these sites do not have restrictions if you are visiting them and some even t the point of signing up on some.of these platforms you still find no restrictions except for the question that concerns age which almost anyone can literally lie about.

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September 29, 2024, 11:35:55 PM
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If we talk honestly, KYC is actually quite a hindrance for children to be able to play gambling in online casinos because not all children can fake their identity, I think this is quite helpful, but the worse thing is with casinos that do not set KYC and anyone can access it, I myself often find many illegal casinos or do not apply KYC in their casinos, and the average child of them does not care about the regulation or license of a casino or talk about casino security and fairness, because in their mind is to play and multiply their money in gambling, finding a random online gambling site on Google they will register.
That is true and I think that is also one of the main purposes of KYCs, it's to prevent minors from gambling while they still don't understand what the risk they are taking.
Many gambling sites on the other hand which are created for the purpose of scamming people will not even have KYC at all, they will just the gambler if he is 18+ and that's it. Any kid who learned how to read can simply answer yes just to be able to enter the game.
I think this is where the government should focus on stopping, those small businesses that are making money through their illegal work, but they don't want to catch them because they will not make money out of them. They will just simply close their business and create a new one. If possible, they should be prevented from creating another by imprisoning those who are behind it.

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September 29, 2024, 11:40:52 PM
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If we talk honestly, KYC is actually quite a hindrance for children to be able to play gambling in online casinos because not all children can fake their identity, I think this is quite helpful, but the worse thing is with casinos that do not set KYC and anyone can access it, I myself often find many illegal casinos or do not apply KYC in their casinos, and the average child of them does not care about the regulation or license of a casino or talk about casino security and fairness, because in their mind is to play and multiply their money in gambling, finding a random online gambling site on Google they will register.
That is true and I think that is also one of the main purposes of KYCs, it's to prevent minors from gambling while they still don't understand what the risk they are taking.
Many gambling sites on the other hand which are created for the purpose of scamming people will not even have KYC at all, they will just the gambler if he is 18+ and that's it. Any kid who learned how to read can simply answer yes just to be able to enter the game.
I think this is where the government should focus on stopping, those small businesses that are making money through their illegal work, but they don't want to catch them because they will not make money out of them. They will just simply close their business and create a new one. If possible, they should be prevented from creating another by imprisoning those who are behind it.

However, minors these days know how to go around such requirement, like they can borrow ID cards from their older siblings or sneak the IDs from their parents. That is why you need to instill values to your kids at their early age. This will be your weapon even if you are not around.

Do remember, illegal casinos will always be there. They will only stop their operations when someone reported them and forced to shut down their site. But as long as they can do their business, they will.

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September 29, 2024, 11:41:21 PM
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If we talk honestly, KYC is actually quite a hindrance for children to be able to play gambling in online casinos because not all children can fake their identity, I think this is quite helpful, but the worse thing is with casinos that do not set KYC and anyone can access it, I myself often find many illegal casinos or do not apply KYC in their casinos, and the average child of them does not care about the regulation or license of a casino or talk about casino security and fairness, because in their mind is to play and multiply their money in gambling, finding a random online gambling site on Google they will register.
Yes, maybe some of us hate KYC, but on the other hand, KYC has a plus side that can limit children's involvement in gambling. And this certainly reduces the possibility of children to gamble. yes although indeed, you are right, there are a lot of online gambling on mobile phones that can be done by children because of the ease of access, even without KYC. even in my country where gambling is prohibited, they can still easily access online gambling, with VPN or others.

Even gambling applications can be found anywhere, even in games and children's video shows. this is bad, because children cannot really understand and pamper themselves in gambling. still often carried away by emotions and of course cannot earn their own money better. Their focus is on enjoying their time at their age to learn and play, not gambling which can squeeze the brain badly.


Source: Underage gambling

There must also be attention and vigilance from parents to know the condition of their children, and pay more attention to their children's activities, especially managing their use of cell phones.

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September 29, 2024, 11:56:03 PM
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If we talk honestly, KYC is actually quite a hindrance for children to be able to play gambling in online casinos because not all children can fake their identity, I think this is quite helpful, but the worse thing is with casinos that do not set KYC and anyone can access it, I myself often find many illegal casinos or do not apply KYC in their casinos, and the average child of them does not care about the regulation or license of a casino or talk about casino security and fairness, because in their mind is to play and multiply their money in gambling, finding a random online gambling site on Google they will register.

It would seem most teen and children who are introduced to the world of gambling manage to find the way to gamble and bet on sport through offline methods anyways.
They could use the account of someone else who allows the child to gamble with their own money or be introduced to card games by a family member, there is no scarcity on the ways they could access to gambling.

Often adults underestimate the abilities of teens to get what they want and get away with it, in my opinion. When I was a teen, I recall there were others of my same age which were able to get to drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes, in spite of their young age. So if they can get away with tobacco, they can definitely do the same with casinos.

Also, For teens and children is easier to manage cash instead of cryptocurrency, less KYC, let us remember exchanges also require sending documents to them as well.

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September 30, 2024, 07:13:25 AM
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It's interesting that this is happening in the U.S. even though supposedly there every sports book has to be licensed on a state level.

So obviously even with KYC and strict age/ID verification, people have obviously found a way to go through these systems even when underage. At some point, personal responsibility is also coming into play. So I don't think we should just blame it on the platforms. If a parent or uncle or cousin or whatever lets a literal kid use their name to access gambling, it could happen with vapes, alcohol etc also. So gambling is the least of their worries. It's the adults that are responsible at this point.

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Have you seen many teens that gamble? I understand that is hard to check it, as teens will never confess that they gamble, nor it is easy to catch them during playing, but overall, has anyone ever seen a teen in a casino, or saw them placing bets using their mobiles? I did not have a goal to find a gambling teen, but I have never seen one around. What I usually see, is that teens watch instagram or tiktok video, laugh about it, and keep swiping for a new video.

 
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Have you seen many teens that gamble? I understand that is hard to check it, as teens will never confess that they gamble, nor it is easy to catch them during playing, but overall, has anyone ever seen a teen in a casino, or saw them placing bets using their mobiles? I did not have a goal to find a gambling teen, but I have never seen one around. What I usually see, is that teens watch instagram or tiktok video, laugh about it, and keep swiping for a new video.
Yeah, it is hard to check and know how many teens gamble because with using the Internet, they can hide their gambling activity. Their parents also doesn't know if their children gambling until they see their children have a problem with their gambling habit. They can go to a place and sit in the back with their friends but they open their smartphone and browse the casino. But I already seen some people playing together in a home in the night where I came back from my office. They looks enjoy playing slot game because I see what they played. I don't ask too much to them but I know that they are above 18 but under 25 years. I still consider that they often playing slot games with their friends and if they don't have control, that will makes them in a difficult situation.

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September 30, 2024, 11:03:05 AM
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Have you seen many teens that gamble? I understand that is hard to check it, as teens will never confess that they gamble, nor it is easy to catch them during playing, but overall, has anyone ever seen a teen in a casino, or saw them placing bets using their mobiles? I did not have a goal to find a gambling teen, but I have never seen one around. What I usually see, is that teens watch instagram or tiktok video, laugh about it, and keep swiping for a new video.
Yeah, it is hard to check and know how many teens gamble because with using the Internet, they can hide their gambling activity. Their parents also doesn't know if their children gambling until they see their children have a problem with their gambling habit. They can go to a place and sit in the back with their friends but they open their smartphone and browse the casino. But I already seen some people playing together in a home in the night where I came back from my office. They looks enjoy playing slot game because I see what they played. I don't ask too much to them but I know that they are above 18 but under 25 years. I still consider that they often playing slot games with their friends and if they don't have control, that will makes them in a difficult situation.

There's certain indicators that they are participating on gambling activities. For sure there's foot tracks they left online that's why its really good that we as parent we should check every activities they do online. Also we should check their devices if there's gambling apps or links on their search history.

If we don't do those things then provably that there's huge chance for our children to be involve on gambling since there are lots of influencers promoting this and anyone could gamble at their comfort. Proper advice is needed and maybe it will be good if we step up first educate them the risk on gambling since it will be hard to interrupt them if they are already participating.

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September 30, 2024, 12:16:44 PM
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If we talk honestly, KYC is actually quite a hindrance for children to be able to play gambling in online casinos because not all children can fake their identity, I think this is quite helpful, but the worse thing is with casinos that do not set KYC and anyone can access it, I myself often find many illegal casinos or do not apply KYC in their casinos, and the average child of them does not care about the regulation or license of a casino or talk about casino security and fairness, because in their mind is to play and multiply their money in gambling, finding a random online gambling site on Google they will register.
Yes, maybe some of us hate KYC, but on the other hand, KYC has a plus side that can limit children's involvement in gambling. And this certainly reduces the possibility of children to gamble. yes although indeed, you are right, there are a lot of online gambling on mobile phones that can be done by children because of the ease of access, even without KYC. even in my country where gambling is prohibited, they can still easily access online gambling, with VPN or others.

Even gambling applications can be found anywhere, even in games and children's video shows. this is bad, because children cannot really understand and pamper themselves in gambling. still often carried away by emotions and of course cannot earn their own money better. Their focus is on enjoying their time at their age to learn and play, not gambling which can squeeze the brain badly.


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There must also be attention and vigilance from parents to know the condition of their children, and pay more attention to their children's activities, especially managing their use of cell phones.
Yes this is certainly a big challenge today, where many young people and even small children who are not financially ready to access gambling, and with the broad internet world and in -depth marketing to the application and send personal messages to our social media accounts that are a thing What's bad now, those who do this ad do not see who received their message whether it was children or not, and that made this case more complicated in some countries, there must be two two supports that were massively done first of support from People to supervise their children and the two governments must work hard to block gambling advertisements continuously and establish clear regulations on gambling advertising regulations in order to have controlled advertising segmentation.

If we talk honestly, KYC is actually quite a hindrance for children to be able to play gambling in online casinos because not all children can fake their identity, I think this is quite helpful, but the worse thing is with casinos that do not set KYC and anyone can access it, I myself often find many illegal casinos or do not apply KYC in their casinos, and the average child of them does not care about the regulation or license of a casino or talk about casino security and fairness, because in their mind is to play and multiply their money in gambling, finding a random online gambling site on Google they will register.

It would seem most teen and children who are introduced to the world of gambling manage to find the way to gamble and bet on sport through offline methods anyways.
They could use the account of someone else who allows the child to gamble with their own money or be introduced to card games by a family member, there is no scarcity on the ways they could access to gambling.

Often adults underestimate the abilities of teens to get what they want and get away with it, in my opinion. When I was a teen, I recall there were others of my same age which were able to get to drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes, in spite of their young age. So if they can get away with tobacco, they can definitely do the same with casinos.

Also, For teens and children is easier to manage cash instead of cryptocurrency, less KYC, let us remember exchanges also require sending documents to them as well.

The case in offline gambling I think is not as bad as online gambling, because it will talk about mobility and obedience.
I will connect your argument, in the problem that parents often underestimate the ability to be young or children who are now very familiar in using their cellphones. It's true because in general parents who don't even understand about cellphones, but now I think there are only a few young people who are more comfortable using cash, most of them are more accustomed to using e-money, even if they see crypto users are still small, but things like Transactions can still be tried to use P2P exchange that can be found easily without using the exchange, and as I say that this KYC is quite difficult for some people who don't like complicated things in accessing casino.

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September 30, 2024, 01:27:26 PM
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Have you seen many teens that gamble? I understand that is hard to check it, as teens will never confess that they gamble, nor it is easy to catch them during playing, but overall, has anyone ever seen a teen in a casino, or saw them placing bets using their mobiles? I did not have a goal to find a gambling teen, but I have never seen one around. What I usually see, is that teens watch instagram or tiktok video, laugh about it, and keep swiping for a new video.
Yeah, it is hard to check and know how many teens gamble because with using the Internet, they can hide their gambling activity. Their parents also doesn't know if their children gambling until they see their children have a problem with their gambling habit. They can go to a place and sit in the back with their friends but they open their smartphone and browse the casino. But I already seen some people playing together in a home in the night where I came back from my office. They looks enjoy playing slot game because I see what they played. I don't ask too much to them but I know that they are above 18 but under 25 years. I still consider that they often playing slot games with their friends and if they don't have control, that will makes them in a difficult situation.
In this era of the internet, teens and even the underaged have access to it, it's just to have access to a mobile device that is connected online and they can access whatever they want. I don't think that there is a data that can accurately capture the exact number of teens that gambles. The problem with teen gambling especially those that are below 18 years is that they are not matured enough to gamble responsibly, most of them still depends on their parents and guardians to survive, so it will be very unfair for them to engage in gambling when they are not making their own money. We don't need to depend on schools and institutions to educate our teens about gambling addiction, we can start teaching them from the homes, if we don't take on this responsibility then they might learn from experience which can lead them to addiction.
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September 30, 2024, 01:43:02 PM
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Have you seen many teens that gamble? I understand that is hard to check it, as teens will never confess that they gamble, nor it is easy to catch them during playing, but overall, has anyone ever seen a teen in a casino, or saw them placing bets using their mobiles? I did not have a goal to find a gambling teen, but I have never seen one around. What I usually see, is that teens watch instagram or tiktok video, laugh about it, and keep swiping for a new video.
Well, I personally have come across a teen, a 15 years old boy who save up money he was being given for snacks by his parent when ever he was leaving for school without breakfast, this boy saved up the money and when it was tangible enough, a friend who was also a teen though older, lead him to where he used the money to play lotto, it's popularly referred to as "baba ijebu" here in my country.

Luckily for the boy, the numbers he selected played and he won over $30,000, but unfortunately, he died few minutes after learning about his win.
What happened was that, after seeing that the numbers he selected played, and was told how much he won, he literally went out of his mind, he started shouting on top of his voice jumping up and down, when some people there tried to get hold of him, he ran away, he took off his shirt and short, ran around necked wearing only boxers(inner pants), eventually he ran into the express and a bus at a top speed knocked him down, he died on the way while he was being rushed to the hospital.

Teens do gamble for sure, the fact you have not seen one does not rule away the fact that teens gamble, and it's not good for them since their brains are not yet developed enough for the surprises that comes with gambling.

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September 30, 2024, 01:57:25 PM
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If we talk honestly, KYC is actually quite a hindrance for children to be able to play gambling in online casinos because not all children can fake their identity, I think this is quite helpful, but the worse thing is with casinos that do not set KYC and anyone can access it, I myself often find many illegal casinos or do not apply KYC in their casinos, and the average child of them does not care about the regulation or license of a casino or talk about casino security and fairness, because in their mind is to play and multiply their money in gambling, finding a random online gambling site on Google they will register.

Well, even if the casino allows to play without KYC, most would not allow the children (the players) to withdraw unless they do the KYC. If you want to stop the teens and children from accessing the casino, the first restrictions should come from the parents and only depend on the casino to filter out teens on the basis of KYC.

I can give you the example here where a kid or a teem can only gamble if his parents give him the money to gamble. KYC is a later thing, how come the parents give the children access to the laptop and the money to gamble? In many cases, children play from their parents account and the parents know about it. So, i would blame the parents for not stopping them from gambling and later when something bad happens, they blame the casino's policies etc.

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September 30, 2024, 02:00:14 PM
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However, minors these days know how to go around such requirement, like they can borrow ID cards from their older siblings or sneak the IDs from their parents. That is why you need to instill values to your kids at their early age. This will be your weapon even if you are not around.

Do remember, illegal casinos will always be there. They will only stop their operations when someone reported them and forced to shut down their site. But as long as they can do their business, they will.
It is not unusual for many children to be able to outsmart things that they could not do before, this is the encouragement of increasingly developing technology and they themselves are already familiar with current technology that makes many things easier. Is it possible that this happens because of the lack of supervision from their parents, because of course parents will not be able to supervise their children all day long because they must have their own activities, so parents have no choice but to let go of their supervision of their children.
There is no doubt that there are currently many illegal casinos operating even in countries that actually prohibit gambling, in fact I think it is only natural that many still access it even though it is prohibited in their country because of the lack of strict supervision by the government, maybe the government has even issued a warning but that does not stop people from gambling online.

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September 30, 2024, 02:06:39 PM
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If we talk honestly, KYC is actually quite a hindrance for children to be able to play gambling in online casinos because not all children can fake their identity, I think this is quite helpful, but the worse thing is with casinos that do not set KYC and anyone can access it, I myself often find many illegal casinos or do not apply KYC in their casinos, and the average child of them does not care about the regulation or license of a casino or talk about casino security and fairness, because in their mind is to play and multiply their money in gambling, finding a random online gambling site on Google they will register.

Well, even if the casino allows to play without KYC, most would not allow the children (the players) to withdraw unless they do the KYC. If you want to stop the teens and children from accessing the casino, the first restrictions should come from the parents and only depend on the casino to filter out teens on the basis of KYC.

I can give you the example here where a kid or a teem can only gamble if his parents give him the money to gamble. KYC is a later thing, how come the parents give the children access to the laptop and the money to gamble? In many cases, children play from their parents account and the parents know about it. So, i would blame the parents for not stopping them from gambling and later when something bad happens, they blame the casino's policies etc.

I think even though the casino provides KYC as a requirement to be able to participate in the game or to be able to make a withdrawal when a minor wins a number of wins, there are still other possibilities that they can do, such as using their family members' personal data secretly or asking for help from one of their older friends to solve the problem so that they can participate in the game or to be able to make a withdrawal.

Basically, if we talk about it, there are actually many possibilities that a child can do, and in the end, of course, for this restriction issue, it should actually go back to their parents, because other people will not care about your safety unless you yourself apply various restrictions.

In the case you mentioned, I can say that this case also often occurs in my area, and with the development of the era that is now increasingly sophisticated, along with the gambling industry that has now entered social media in promotional practices, I think parents should know about these concerns so that they can limit all access that can connect a child to gambling.

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September 30, 2024, 02:10:46 PM
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It is not unusual for many children to be able to outsmart things that they could not do before, this is the encouragement of increasingly developing technology and they themselves are already familiar with current technology that makes many things easier. Is it possible that this happens because of the lack of supervision from their parents, because of course parents will not be able to supervise their children all day long because they must have their own activities, so parents have no choice but to let go of their supervision of their children.
There is no doubt that there are currently many illegal casinos operating even in countries that actually prohibit gambling, in fact I think it is only natural that many still access it even though it is prohibited in their country because of the lack of strict supervision by the government, maybe the government has even issued a warning but that does not stop people from gambling online.

Yes, maybe this is what is meant by the negative impact of technological developments. when children do not get good supervision from their parents and with a high sense of curiosity from a teenager, it is certainly easy to access online gambling. for land-based casinos, I think teenagers will definitely have problems getting in. but for online gambling, everything can be tricked by the intelligence of children related to technology today.

For some reason, I think telling teenagers is more difficult than people the same age as us or older. they are teenagers who have their thoughts that must be done without interference from others. it's just that with gambling activities at their age, it is very risky to cause other crimes. that's what I'm afraid of.

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September 30, 2024, 02:39:58 PM
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Have you seen many teens that gamble? I understand that is hard to check it, as teens will never confess that they gamble, nor it is easy to catch them during playing, but overall, has anyone ever seen a teen in a casino, or saw them placing bets using their mobiles? I did not have a goal to find a gambling teen, but I have never seen one around. What I usually see, is that teens watch instagram or tiktok video, laugh about it, and keep swiping for a new video.
Yeah, it is hard to check and know how many teens gamble because with using the Internet, they can hide their gambling activity. Their parents also doesn't know if their children gambling until they see their children have a problem with their gambling habit. They can go to a place and sit in the back with their friends but they open their smartphone and browse the casino. But I already seen some people playing together in a home in the night where I came back from my office. They looks enjoy playing slot game because I see what they played. I don't ask too much to them but I know that they are above 18 but under 25 years. I still consider that they often playing slot games with their friends and if they don't have control, that will makes them in a difficult situation.

Gambling amongst kids could be more of real competitions with friends, than online casinos. Subsequently, they now begin to wager online when their peers are not close or nearby. But since the requirement for kyc is getting strict on underaged players, teenagers easily gamble with cards games in school during break time. Because they'll want to double their money. However, I've read of children that convinces their grown relatives to stand for them regarding KYC. Which is quite degenerating on the adult's end, for accepting to do such for a younger sibling.

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September 30, 2024, 03:35:23 PM
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That's the bad side of online gambling, you can't really control the users you get, even with the under 18 rule, teenagers can just lie and still get access to gambleing features, I think they have to get more strict and find better ways to keep teenagers off gambling sites, maybe by taking some birth certificate as part of their kyc verification, I think that would reduce the amount if teenagers in online casino.
Exactly, the internet now is too powerful, and even young people can navigate the internet well and can bypass a lot of things, and one of them is online gambling. It's true that many younger people are being exposed to gambling because right now the internet or social media are open to this, and we know a lot of young people are already on social media. No matter what guidance a parent will give, they can't look out for or guide their children's 24/7, so there's still a moment where a child could explore for itself and be in a bad influence.

That's why KYC is very important now for an online casino because in that way a platform could determine what age their customer is. I know it can also be bypassed, but I think there should be more adjustment or another layer of validation before a user could actually sign up and play on a gambling platform.

In my locality where I reside gambling among teenagers is normalized it makes me wonder how we have gotten so nonchalant about this, teens that are not up to 18 have access to gamble online and the ones that don't gamble in a land based center..The internet is accessible by everyone now, you cannot control or regulate what teenagers do with their phones...some of them are negatively influenced by gambling adverts they come across online, this fake adverts might make them want to give it a try just because they want to get rich quick.. just like you said kyc should be implemented by every betting site or casinos to reduce this catastrophe

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September 30, 2024, 04:07:39 PM
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It is not unusual for many children to be able to outsmart things that they could not do before, this is the encouragement of increasingly developing technology and they themselves are already familiar with current technology that makes many things easier. Is it possible that this happens because of the lack of supervision from their parents, because of course parents will not be able to supervise their children all day long because they must have their own activities, so parents have no choice but to let go of their supervision of their children.
There is no doubt that there are currently many illegal casinos operating even in countries that actually prohibit gambling, in fact I think it is only natural that many still access it even though it is prohibited in their country because of the lack of strict supervision by the government, maybe the government has even issued a warning but that does not stop people from gambling online.

Yes, maybe this is what is meant by the negative impact of technological developments. when children do not get good supervision from their parents and with a high sense of curiosity from a teenager, it is certainly easy to access online gambling. for land-based casinos, I think teenagers will definitely have problems getting in. but for online gambling, everything can be tricked by the intelligence of children related to technology today.

For some reason, I think telling teenagers is more difficult than people the same age as us or older. they are teenagers who have their thoughts that must be done without interference from others. it's just that with gambling activities at their age, it is very risky to cause other crimes. that's what I'm afraid of.
The negative part will always exist when something develops more and to overcome this weakness, society needs optimizations to compensate and balance, as described currently, technology is helping to increase comfort with users, especially the young generation but the scary thing about technology is that it makes users dependent as well as the content it sends. But with these reports, the education part should also improve as well as the level of interest of adults with teenagers needs to have more standards than in the past.

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